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  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    By the way, no need to reply to Jumpin’ Jack Flash, He’s a Gas right now because he’s otherwise engaged for the time being.

    All comments to Habbabkuk tomorrow, please.

  • lysias

    We rightly allied ourselves with Stalin, because Hitler was the greater threat. If we had not allied ourselves with Stalin, it is not at all clear that Hitler would have been defeated.

  • Mary

    The Zionist lobby at work attempting to clamp down on free speech in British universities. Is this Gould’s last knocking for the UK Zs before he gives way to Mr. Quarrey in July.

    From Medialens
    British ambassador met Universities UK over Israel & ‘free speech’ concerns
    Posted by The Editors on March 12, 2015, 7:05 pm

    Ben White

    British ambassador to Israel Matthew Gould met last month with UK university heads in a meeting that discussed Israel and the limits of ‘freedom of speech’, it has been reported.

    The meeting was held in early February with four vice-chancellors from umbrella group Universities UK, and also included representatives of at least three pro-Israel organisations: the Board of Deputies of British Jews, the Jewish Leadership Council, and the Union of Jewish Students.

    In a brief report two weeks ago, the topics discussed were described as “concerns over antisemitism, Israel boycotts and extreme speakers on campus.” Yesterday, more details emerged in the context of pressure on the University of Southampton to cancel a forthcoming conference.

    The April gathering, ‘International Law and the State of Israel: Legitimacy, Responsibility and Exceptionalism’, has been attacked by Israel supporters seeking its cancellation. The university, meanwhile, has stated its commitment to “academic freedom, free speech” and “scholarly debate.”

    /Full article:

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/17477-british-ambassador-met-universities-uk-over-israel-a-free-speech-concerns

    David Quarrey has been appointed Her Majesty’s Ambassador to the State of Israel.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/change-of-her-majestys-ambassador-to-the-state-of-israel

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    And Stalin allied himself to Hitler because……?

    Had he stayed allied to Hitler, it is quite clear that Britian would have been defeated.

    And Britain didn’t change sides and ally itself with Hitler to get rid of the Communist beast because….?

    Had it and the other Western democracies done so, it is quite clear that Stalin would have been defeated*

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    * despite his “brothers and sisters” appeal on Moscow Radio and his cosying up to the Church.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary

    I fear you over-estimate the influence which Ambassador Gould wields in the UK university world.

    No need to panic. Stay vigilant but chillax!

  • lysias

    Conservatives suspend Sir Malcolm Rifkind over cash-for-access claims
    David Cameron confirms move and says party will carry out disciplinary inquiry into allegations
    . Jack Straw also implicated! Will Craig return to this forum to say something about these developments?

    I learned from a poster on this forum a while back that Malcolm Rifkind and Leon Brittan are related. It turns out to be true. I was interested, because I had been infuriated shortly before to hear Rifkind delivering a sophistic defense of the misdeeds of GCHQ and NSA.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    I learned from various bits of reading some while back that there are literally thousands of people related by descent to King Charles II, including, quite possibly, me. It turns out to be true. I was interested because I had been infuriated shortly before to read a post from Republicofscotland insulting the present Royal Family.

    The above is trivial and very boring and should never have been posted.

  • RobG

    Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)
    12 Mar, 2015 – 11:03 pm:

    That’s a very nice pussy you’ve shown there, Mary.

    Meeeeow!
    ______________________

    Moderators on this blog seem to think that the above is ‘free speech’.

    The fascist lunatic asylum that Britain has become, ay.

  • glenn_uk

    Speaking of moderators, I find it rather curious that requests from Mr. J J Flash and myself concerning Tony Opmoc’s drunken ramblings were deleted, no trace – without explanation. Yet the drunken BS from Opmoc still stand – apparently this sort of post is just fine.

    The mods and CM are at liberty to make whatever rules they like. But if they want to claim there is some integrity to their decisions, it would be easier to accept were obvious exceptions not quite so blatant.

    Mr. JJ Flash and myself sought to draw the mods attention to the likes of this:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/amnesty-international-conference-on-torture/comment-page-18/#comment-513647

    and this:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/amnesty-international-conference-on-torture/comment-page-18/#comment-513649

    Our notes about these comments were deleted. The target of those comments were not.

    Could the mods please explain how these comments from Tony Opmoc meet their approval, while other posts get edited or deleted?

  • Dreoilin

    “Moderators on this blog seem to think that the above is ‘free speech’.” — RobG

    It’s certainly not as bad as this:

    Mary (re child abuse)

    “PS Methinks the troll doth protest too much on this matter. Why is that?”

    That’s the nastiest piece of innuendo I’ve seen on any blog, anywhere.

  • glenn_uk

    “But I think you should be wary of implying (without wishing to, I’m sure) that because the govt does not do enough to promote the safety of cyclists it should do less to promote our safety from acts of terrorism and similar acts, or that it is doing too much to promote our safety from such acts.

    Actually, I don’t think most of the “anti-terrorism” measures are anything but security theatre. Not taking a bottle of water through “security” clearance before an air-flight, for instance. Utter nonsense. The astonishingly intrusive monitoring of our every move and communication, spurious charges against inconvenient people on the grounds of “terrorism” legislation – it’s almost as if the authorities want to bring the laws into disrepute.

    More people die from drowning in bathtubs than “terrorism” each year. That is indisputable fact. Vastly more die and are life-changingly injured while cycling, yet the government does next to nothing about it. That is why the interests of cyclists are such a good example of the contrast between government rhetoric about “keeping us safe”, and their actual applied policies.

    Sorry, but I cannot agree with you – the government likes sounding tough, but the only genuine priority is protecting the interests of the investor class. Almost all of the rest is mere window dressing.

  • glenn_uk

    Dreoilin: You are right. Someone asks why child abuse isn’t being condemned regardless of the perpetrator, and a sly insinuation is made that the person asking that must be guilty of same.

    That is as nasty an accusation as anyone could make.

  • Macky

    Ben;”Yes. Yeltsin was the drunk the wrst exploited.”

    Indeed; the West’s hypocrasy is very much revealed in the sharp contrast in attitudes shown to Yeltsin & Putin;

    “Boris Yeltsin permitted western interests to rape his country, and did little to assert Russian power. So though he bombarded his own parliament, conducted a grisly war in Chechnya, raised corruption to Olympic levels and shamelessly rigged his own re-election, he yet remained a popular guest in western capitals and summits. Vladimir Putin’s similar sins, by contrast, provide a pretext for ostracism and historically illiterate comparisons between him and Hitler.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41205.htm

    @Resident Dissident, you often cite Putin’s record on Chechnya, yet I read that more Chechens were killed during Yeltsin’s time, and that still is the case now, so why have I never seen you critise Yeltsin over Chechya like you do Putin ?

  • Mary

    BLiar’s funder in chief (£100m) and his one time special envoy, nicely bronzed was on Hardtalk with Sackur. He still keeps a home in Israel and his children lived there for a time.

    Levy: Netanyahu’s aliyah call for all European Jews ‘arrogant’
    12 March 2015

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s call for all European Jews to make Israel their home was “arrogance in the extreme” the former Middle East envoy, Lord Levy has told BBC HARDtalk.

    “Look at the incidence of terror in Israel and I think it’s a gross exaggeration to say that it is the only safe place for Jews,” he said.

    “Those who wish to make aliyah [going to Israel] I think it is fantastic,” said Lord Levy, “but I don’t agree with him and I don’t think the vast majority of Jews who live outside Israel agree with that either,” he added.

    Lord Levy added that he was very proud of Israel, its achievements and was happy to visit, but as far as he was concerned his home was in the UK.

    You can see the full interview on HARDtalk on BBC World News at 16:30 and 21:30 GMT on Thursday 12 March and on the BBC News Channel at 00:30 and 04:30 GMT on Friday 13 March.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31851901

    The son works for European Council for Foreign Relations. Nice.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Levy,_Baron_Levy

    Levy himself was involved in the initiation of BLiar’s academy and free schools project.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1515802/Blair-under-pressure-to-strip-Levy-of-academy-cash-role.html?mobile=basic

  • Mary

    Glorification of one of our horrible and obscene wars against people with brown skins takes place today with the involvement of the Church of England and the monarchy.

    ‘Afghan President Ashraf Ghani pays tribute to UK war dead
    Ashraf Ghani’s words “contrast” with those of his predecessor, the BBC’s David Loyn said

    The Afghan president has paid tribute to UK soldiers who died fighting in the country, ahead of services to mark the end of British involvement in the war.

    Ashraf Ghani said the 453 UK troops had “paid the ultimate sacrifice to enable us to live in freedom, in hope for peace, prosperity and dignity”.

    The Queen and many veterans will attend a service at St Paul’s Cathedral later to commemorate the end of the war.

    A simultaneous service will be held in Afghanistan for troops still there.

    The Prince of Wales, the Duchess of Cornwall, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prime Minister David Cameron are all expected to attend the St Paul’s ceremony, which will be followed by a procession through London.

    UK forces were part of a US-led coalition which invaded Afghanistan and toppled the ruling Taliban in 2001, following the 9/11 attacks in the US.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31864330

    As of February 2014, at least 21,000 civilians are estimated to have died violent deaths as a result of the war. The total number of civilians killed in Pakistan may be as high or higher than the toll in Afghanistan, with NGO estimates ranging widely between 20,000 and 50,000 recorded deaths.

    Civilians Killed and Wounded | Costs of War
    http://costsofwar.org/article/civilians-killed-and-wounded

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    RobG

    “Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)
    12 Mar, 2015 – 11:03 pm:

    That’s a very nice pussy you’ve shown there, Mary.

    Meeeeow!
    ______________________

    Moderators on this blog seem to think that the above is ‘free speech’.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Well, fair’s fair, Rob, after all, it was Mary who posted the picture of the yawning pussy, wasn’t it:

    https://media.giphy.com/media/89U4ODjFSNdV6/giphy.gif

    So if seeing pussies on this blog fills you with horror (or terror), I would advise you to contact Mary directly.

    Woof! woof!

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    A vociferous commenter writes:

    “Boris Yeltsin permitted western interests to rape his country, and did little to assert Russian power. So though he bombarded his own parliament..”

    ___________________

    Was the bombarding of the Duma building not part of Yeltsin’s resistance to an attempted coup against Gorbachev by die-hard Communist/KGB elements?

    If that is correct and the Vociferous Commenter knew it when he posted, then his post must be seen as expressing regret that Gorbachev was not overthrown by those die-hard Communist/KGB elements.

    Why am I not surprised?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary puts the following onto Lord Levy’s charge sheet:

    – Blair fund raiser
    – Blair special envoy
    – appeared with Stephen Sackur on Hardtalk
    – is sun-tanned
    – has a house in Israel
    – children lived in Israel for a while.

    These are all heinous offences, to be sure. But I find myself unable to rank them in order of heinousness. Could Mary please help?

    Thank you.

  • YouKnowMyName

    ISIS ISLAMIC STATE DAESH IS ‘stealing our girls’ ?

    A source in the Canadian government told QMI Agency that the individual held in Turkey was not a Canadian citizen.

    The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also claimed the individual was not “an employee of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.”

    The source wouldn’t say if the detainee was a freelance or contracted intelligence agent.

    The Turkish Prime Ministry’s Office of Public Diplomacy also released a statement on the matter, saying the capture of the intelligence officer “showcased a complex problem involving intelligence wars.”

    “This incident should be a message to those always blaming Turkey on the debate on the flow of foreign terrorist fighters, and shows it is a problem more complicated than a mere border security issue,” said the office. “Turkey will continue its call for stronger intelligence sharing, and is worried about the lack of intelligence sharing in a matter involving the lives of three young girls.”

    إيزيس daesh الدولة الإسلامية هو “سرقة الفتيات لدينا؟

    “Whether it is called Daesh, ISIL or ISIS, Canada and the coalition agree this heinous terrorist group presents a threat to the region, and the entire world,” Adam Hodge, spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird, told Power and Politics. “That is why Canada has announced a number of measures designed to combat ISIL’s brutality and help victims of this barbaric terrorist group.”

    Canada is part of a coalition of countries fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria, contributing CF-18 fighter jets along with surveillance, refuelling and heavy-lift aircraft. Canada has also sent military advisers to Iraq and provided more than $62 million in humanitarian aid.

  • Mary

    Asylum seekers launch hunger strikes, protests at UK detention centers
    March 12, 2015

    Detainees in several of the UK’s immigration detention centers, including Harmondsworth – the country’s largest detention facility – have staged hunger strikes and demonstrations, calling for improved conditions and a limit to the maximum detention time.

    Several hundred asylum seekers at Harmondsworth detention center, near London’s Heathrow Airport, have been on hunger strike since Monday. A reported 300 migrants are participating in the strike at the detention facility, which houses around 620 men. Hunger strikes and protests have been breaking out in similar centers since last week.

    /..
    http://rt.com/uk/240205-detention-center-hunger-strike/

  • Jay

    @Mary

    It’s difficult situation with detainees being afforded less rights than general population.
    Now much of their detention is due to the fact that there is insufficient provision in the system to care for the needs of migrants. As with the current health care system under pressure due to lack of resources. I say this health care is the responsibility of the individual as well as the state.
    Be responsible means by being health conscious you could be less likely to need government health care.
    The detainees are under the jurisdiction and protection by the uk.
    That is what is in question. Ask not what is it they do ask what is that they do not do.
    In my opinion finding work is essential to well being.
    I am sorry to see so many of us disenfranchised with man so closely connected to the folly of not working.
    Government should provide work but under the present liberal regime it seems that is not essential to our well being but access to anything seems more applicable.

    What do the detainees want?

  • Mary

    More stirring of the pot against me, in support of the troll, from the Irish lady. Although she has initiated it, I will not engage with her in with the request from Craig on an earlier thread. Strange that he allows the troll to insult and aggravate others on here though.

    The context of my comment as quoted is that the troll disliked me condemning the sexual abuse of children perpetrated by members of the British political establishment. He was desperate for me to solely condemn the Pakistani gangs and persistently commented to this effect.

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