How to Really Really Upset the Foreign Office and Security Services 300

1) Go into the Foreign Office and read ten Top Secret documents about UK collaboration with torture to refresh my memory. Hand back documents and my notes in a double sealed envelope (have just done this bit).
2) Immediately after reading Top Secret documents, go to see Julian Assange for a whisky in the Ecuador Embassy (am on my way).
3) Tomorrow morning, arrive at Parliament Intelligence and Security Committee to give evidence in secret session. Get handed hopefully still double sealed envelope with my notes to use during evidence. Hand back notes for destruction when finished.
4) Immediately after very secret evidence session, go for (hopefully boozy) lunch with Peter Oborne.

Sometimes I quite enjoy my life. If you can’t annoy the arrogant bastards who run the world for the 1%, what point is there in living?


I left Julian after midnight. He is fit, well, sharp and in good spirits. WikiLeaks never reveals or comments upon its sources, but as I published before a fortnight ago, I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is not any Russian state actor or proxy that gave the Democratic National Committee and Podesta material to WikiLeaks. The claim is nonsense. Journalists are also publishing that these were obtained by “hacking” with no evidence that this was the method used to obtain them.

The control of the Democratic party machinery deliberately to unfairly ensure Clinton’s victory over Bernie Sanders is a matter of great public interest. The attempt by the establishment from Obama down to divert attention from this by a completely spurious claim against Russia, repeated without investigation by a servile media, is a disgrace.

The over-close relationship between the probable future President and Wall Street is also very important. WikiLeaks has done a great public service by making this plain.

The attempts by the mainstream media to portray WikiLeaks as supporters of Trump and Putin because they publish some of Clinton’s darker secrets is completely illogical and untrue in fact. The idea we must pretend Clinton is a saint is emetic.

But the key point is that WikiLeaks is a publisher. It is a vehicle for publishing leaks, and is much more of a vehicle for whistleblowers than for hackers. It does not originate the material. I have often seen comments such as “Why has WikiLeaks not published material on Israel/Putin/Trump?” The answer is that they have not been given any. They publish good, verifiable material that they are given by whistleblowers. They are not protecting Israel, Putin, or Trump. Nobody has given them viable material.

Ecuador is keen to make plain that they are not interfering in the US election and wish to make plain material on the Presidential candidates is not being published from their facilities. Julian has no problem with the statement put out by Ecuador yesterday. It is worth noting that WikiLeaks is established in several countries and nothing has ever been published by WikiLeaks from any facility situated in the Ecuadorean Embassy.

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300 thoughts on “How to Really Really Upset the Foreign Office and Security Services

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    • Habbabkuk

      Glad you’re thinking about something than than Mrs Diane Abbott, Hmmm.

      BTW, did you read my info about Greek far-left firebrand Mr Alexis Tsipras sending his children sending his kids to one of Athens’ oldest established and most expensive fee-paying schools?

      • Harry Vimes

        I recall reading a comment on another thread from this site last week taking a very similar line, in the context of the debate, in which the behaviour of others in similar contexts was raised.

        This was followed immediately by a comment claiming “whataboutery.” Unfortunately, I find myself struggling to recall which poster it was who flung this accusation.

        Can anyone out there (i) assist me in remembering who this was and (ii) help me identify the contextual link between the subject of this specific blog piece, the very short content of the first comment (above) and where the head of the Greek Government sends his kids to school?

        • Habbabkuk


          I can help you.

          Re 1) – it was I. But this is not actually an example of whataboutery; do you know what the word means?

          Re 2) simples: seeing Hmmm after a few days silence on his part excited me so much that I couldn’t refrain from congratulating him on thinking about something (ie CM’s forthcoming visit to the Committee) other than Mrs Diane Abbott. I wanted to show him I was pleased that he seemed to be be expanding his horizons. And while I as at it, I thought, I’ll give him just another wee example – again from the field of education – of the difference between what far-lefters say and do.

          Hope that helps.

          • Harry Vimes

            1. Of course. Just like with Humpty Dumpy a word means whatever you want it to mean at any particular moment in time.

            2. Attempting to engage in serious debate whilst in a state of excitement is not always prudent. Have you tried some form of calming medication? *

            * Unless of course it’s down to an over prescription to deal with Seasonal Adjustment Disorder.

      • Loony

        Who cares where Tsipras sends hos children to school? Could it possibly be that concentrating on such irrelevancies avoids the need to acknowledge that some 60,000 self employed Greeks have relocated to Bulgaria during the last 7 years.

        I wonder what that could possibly signify for the long term viability of the Greek state.

        Does Tsipras behave differently in his private life than in his public life? Probably, who cares? He is a complete irrelevance and just follows EU/German orders.

        • TJ

          8) Don’t take a lethal dose of co-proxamol and then cut your wrist for no reason in a wood somewhere
          9) Don’t walk down Ben Stack etc and suddenly have a heart attack
          10) Don’t accidentally have loose nuts on your cars wheels, especially in France
          11) Don’t get into a single engine plane that will flip over and crash.
          12) Don’t ever work for anyone named Marconi

  • Fiona Graham

    All the best for tomorrow. Hope your evidence amounts to more than bastard baiting and manages to open ears, minds and hearts.

    • craig Post author

      I don’t know Fiona. I will tell the truth backed with irrefutable documentary evidence. Whether they wish to hear the truth is a quite different question.

    • craig Post author

      There was a quite open camera recording me and two people watching me. But my notes are cryptic and contain some amusing diversions for them.

      • Kempe

        I was going to say. The FCO must have somebody who can access the contents of an envelope without damaging the seal.

      • nevermind

        Amusing diversions?
        Your wrote ‘Hand back notes for destruction when finished.’
        Addendum ‘ask for notification on completed destruction’….

        I wish you all the best arguments today and a great lunch afterwards, no doubt P.Oborne will be all ears.

        PS: your book is already out of stock, good news indeed and I have not even bought my copy….

  • Tom Welsh

    It’s a good thing for the Civil Service and the security services that you are utterly discreet, isn’t it Craig? 😎

    • Tom Welsh

      Although, come to think of it, having arbitrarily and unfairly sacked you and ruined a promising diplomatic career, it could easily be argued that they can’t complain about any ways in which you earn a bob or two… or even just a whisky!

        • Tom Welsh

          I apologize for any implication that you would do anything illegal or unethical – the very last thing I meant to convey.

          It seemed possible that you might be paid for articles or the like expressing your views, without divulging any secrets or confidential information. On second thoughts, I can see how absurd that idea was. Most of my favourite writers on politics nowadays cannot even be published in the mainstream media, let alone be paid for doing so.

      • Colin Carr

        It never fails to both amuse and amaze me how the Establishment invariably shoots itself in the foot when trying to stifle dissent.
        If the FCO had just listened to Craig’s original message about Uzbek torture and CIA/MI6 collusion (at least) in the whole sordid affair, British foreign policy would have been better informed. Instead they forced out the bearer of true tidings they didn’t want to hear. So Craig wrote a book, which was also made into a radio play.
        Craig is now a constant thorn in the side of the Establishment. Was that really what the FCO wanted or did they just lash out blindly because he wasn’t ‘on message’?
        And a final thought, as Jack Straw et al will eventually learn, Karma is a bitch.

        • Habbabkuk


          “Craig is now a constant thorn in the side of the Establishment”

          Is that really the case, I wonder?

          Is this a case of the disciple claiming more than the Master would claim for himself?

      • fwl

        Well I watched it. Interesting and some great footage and plenty to consider, but it misses out or glosses over what I would have thought would be certain key events in the narrative and leaves the viewer with that lost feeling which Adam Curtis (the film maker) says is Vladislav Surkov’s intention i.e. confused and bewildered as if there were no knowable reality or certainty. So in that sense it confirms (or mirrors) its own theme and you would almost imagine that if Surkov is as presented by Curtis then he would approve!

        Byjima I will have a look at your link but even without reading it I can see how it might be said that Curtis is also a manager of perceptions. I wouldn’t call it vapid though. It has plenty of colour, a story line, great clips and anecdotes, and a main theme and several threads. Unfortunately, if a state wanted to ‘fess up about an event that would be a convenient media to present it – audience shrugs and wanders off confused.

  • John Goss

    You may or may not be aware that Jack Straw was on Sky Television this morning verbally accepting his share of responsibility for the mess that is Iraq and Mosul. I wanted to puke with his lies about the available intelligence and so on. They went into a fairly stable country and totally destabilised it. When asked if he thought we should accept more refugees with the displacement form Mosul he categorically said no. They should be accommodated in countries bordering Iraq.

    We only turn countries into failed states with a refugee crisis. We don’t deal with the crisis.

    Enjoy the booze with two more honest and honourable people.

    As to the select committee they won’t really do anything with the facts you present to them, which are presumably well-known anyway. A footnote perhaps. We will not get to see it. It is an exercise in secret transparancy, and just pretenting to be transparant.

    • John Goss

      “displacement form Mosul” = “displacement from Mosul”.

      Is there some software changing my typing? I say that because in other documents and hand-written pieces I make considerably fewer mistakes.

    • fedup

      A- Intelligence by definition is secret, thus no one will ever know what was said, or was not written or verbally/physically communicated/passed on etc.

      B- Spies/agents/operatives cannot and will not come forward/out and verify or refute the “intelligence” forwarded in “A”

      C- Based on A and B any scoundrel in power can make up whatever stories they like and push it into the oligarch owned media or their own “state owned” media, and call it “facts”.

      D- Based on the A, B, and C we can safely assume that Mr Straw, Tonykins the Dear Leader et all; they did knowingly and wilfully concocted their stories/lies based on the directions of the necon agents in power in US, and bolstered the wild claims of the selected administration of GW Bu$h with a view to push/prepare the public opinion in the US for the current on going hundred year war.

      Furthermore the said operatives in D collectively were fully aware that no one will ever manage to prove the truth about their blatant lies, and these can safely get away with their lies, and manage to accrue quite a handsome return for their collusion in mass murder and squandering of the taxation funds on both side of the Atlantic.

      Ergo the same batch of rehearsed and inane statements about matters that can never be proved to any end whilst appearing to be remarks of remorse/chagrin and regret of the mass murders whom are aware of the extent of the carnage their actions have wreaked. Yet these psychopaths blatantly exhibiting lack of empathy towards their victims in this country or the victims left in the vanquished nations.

  • Hmmm

    Did you get all nostalgic reading your old work? A bit of Barbra going through your head, misty coloured like?
    And did you think: did I really write that? Spelling and grammar is atrocious!!

    • Jermynstreetjim

      ‘f(orward (w)ith (l)abour’… ? @ 20.16….”Whilst I see where your coming from and accept you have valid reasons to hold your opposition views, not all are inherently bad for eg:”, Inevitably, by sheer statistical probability, alone, there will indeed, be one or two individuals, who do not share malfeasant culpability, for the UK PLC militaristic ‘misdemeanours’ whose attendant proxy procured atrocities resulted in Craig’s defenestration from his Diplomatic career, within the cosy confines of Westminster & Whitehall, but as regards the otherwise, singularly commendable, compassionate, and cerebral, credentials of the peripatetic polymath, and Honourable Member for Penrith and The Border, whose authorship, you cite above, I think as he expressed himself, in this address to The House, that his visceral inclinations would have been to ratify the cowardly commitment undertaken by the House in 2003, had he been an elected Member himself, at that jingoistic juncture…. 🙁

      • fwl

        Forward With Labour – a foolish prospect?

        Hon member for the border reivers is perhaps bound to be somewhat steeped in the culture of his constituency and although his vote on Syria was not altogether inspiring he nonetheless has qualities, which others lack, as you concede.

        Is that the best I can come up with I hear you ask? I don’t know. I would hope there are many others with intelligence, courage, empathy and loyalty rather than cunning and greed, but this is beyond my knowledge.

  • ron

    No doubt you are aware that this meeting never happened
    if anything materialises in the public (the hard workers who pay for meetings not to happen) domain it will be Russia’s fault!

  • Alan

    That’s a lot of airmiles for a piiss-up! You don’t really give a shit about the environment do you, as long as you can get pissed?

    • Alan

      I mean this month alone, you’ve flown to America and back, London twice, Norfolk twice; more airmiles than Tony Blair; but screw the environment eh? We have to get around… but I have to ask, who pays for all these flights, after all, you don’t actually have a job?

      I bet this question is deleted by morning.

    • glenn_uk

      First time I’ve seen you express the least concern about the environment.

      The same slur could be made back at you: You don’t really give a shit about the environment do you, as long as you can take a dig at someone you don’t like.

      • Alan

        Well sorry if I don’t loudly proclaim how I voted Green in the last general election, but as it happens I did.

        In fact, as a person with a certain interest in Geo-Physics, hey are you keeping track of the pole-shifts? LMAO

        • Alan

          In short, it is far too late to be worrying any more, but who cares; I’ve had a good life, ROFL

          • glenn_uk

            In my experience, those who really have had a good life don’t come across as angry and bitter as you clearly are. Just sayin’ …

          • Shatnersrug

            Hahaha, oh Alan! I thought that was a bit bit fruity even for you! Well done for owning up. I would imagine Mr Murray and Mr Oborne will be in a similar state – though hopefully not sharing it on here

        • glenn_uk

          That’s a shame – had you established some credentials along those lines in the past, you wouldn’t come off as such a shameless opportunist with your criticism now. Hope this tip helps 🙂

          • Alan

            Well let us say that the thing Craig failed to mention when he was talking about grammar schools, and it’s very interesting that he missed this out, but “they” kept drumming it in that we were the top 25 per cent; that we were the future; and they even lied about that, because there is no future.

            Hey Geology 101:


            I don’t give a damn if you listen to me; I shut all my web presence down; what ten years ago? There is none blind as those who will not see. Oh, I think somebody of Craig’s religion once said that; was it Joshua?

            “And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.”

            Sounds like a pole-shift to me.

            Hey, you can always Google it.

          • glenn_uk

            I shouldn’t bite, really, but… what on earth possessed you to suddenly start ranting on about pole shifts? Is it just in your nature to strut around with a “gotcha!” concerning a topic nobody had mentioned?

            Perhaps it’s the same in-head randomisation process that caused you to suddenly pronounce concern about air miles.

  • Paul Barbara

    Craig, IF you had a better opinion of Russia, or even Iran, I’m sure RT or Press TV would be delighted to give you an interview, and it wouldn’t be a hostile one!

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Best of luck, and hope you can at least impart some reasonable doubt of whatever the official narrative has turned into. Oh, and please include my respects to Mr Oborne with everyone else’s. One of the good guys, I feel, and a compelling writer.

  • lysias

    I take it Assange is in good health and is still in the Ecuadorian embassy? I ask because there are rumors out there (just read one in a Moon of Alabama comment) that he has been apprehended.

  • Sharp Ears

    Best wishes Craig. Take no notice of the moral pygmies on here who jeer. They have not one ounce of the amount of courage you possess and little feeling for their fellow man.

    • RobG

      Sharp Ears, whilst I agree with much of which you say, it’s notable that Craig is not just avoiding, but evading the ‘Clinton e-mails’ and the totally corrupt US presidential election.

      • glenn_uk

        With all due respect, RobG – there’s nothing in those emails beyond what you might find at a senior-executive level functionary in any organisation. A bit of tittle-tattle, and nothing more. Unless you’ve come across some real “smoking gun”, of course?

        • Ba'al Zevul

          Seconded. And no continuity, either, so everything is out of context. I’m pretty disappointed in Wikileaks these days. And would add that the lack of anything really incriminating suggests the Russians were nothing to do with it. For once.

          • Ba'al Zevul

            Postol’s a pretty reliable critic of US policy, Loony, rather like Galloway. I doubt he would be allowed the same latitude in Russia if his role were reversed. And Sputnik….isn’t that a Russian source? Do correct me if I’m wrong. I’m sorry you don’t think it’s more intelligent to look at the leaks and draw your own conclusions. And even you must agree that the inherent superiority of Russia in every respect would not have permitted such a shoddy approach to collecting and releasing embarrassing secrets. No? Ok, probably no.

          • Loony

            Oh yeah the similarities between Postol and Galloway are obvious. Both are politicians except Postol. Both are MIT professors except Galloway, and both are acknowledged technical experts except Galloway.

            Sputnik is a Russian source, although it is not relevant to the expressed opinion of Postol, which is that it is technically impossible to determine the identity of any sophisticated hacker.

            Incidentally this blog now contains a report that indicates an absence of involvement of any Russian actor.

            I am not competent to determine the source of a leak by reference to its content, and I strongly suspect that no-one else is either.

            I have no idea what people in Russia are allowed or not allowed to say. I do know that people like Professors Postol and Cohen are essentially banned from western media even though they are acknowledged experts in their fields and have much to say that is relevant to the current global situation.

          • Ba'al Zevul

            I repeat for the hard of understanding: Postol is exactly like Galloway in that he is consistently expresses anti-American opinions , and in a way that endears him to Russian state-backed outlets such as Sputnik.


            His trade is irrelevant. However, his areas of expertise (nuclear engineering, fluid dynamics) don’t include intelligence analysis, any more than Galloway’s (self-promotion, since you ask), yours or mine. I stand by my comment, which is my opinion, and as valid as yours.

            Re this portentous attempt at building a straw man:

            am not competent to determine the source of a leak by reference to its content, and I strongly suspect that no-one else is either

            I didn’t attempt to determine the source. I merely pointed out that your dear Russians would have done a better job. And I am supported by Craig’s amendment to the original post (see above). If I had raised an alternative hypothesis, I would have attempted to find evidence for it, but as I don’t have a clue who got the material, I didn’t

            Someone in Moscow may be very sad to see you disagreeing with me, though. It might have been more diplomatic for you to concede that Russian intelligence doesn’t produce garbage, true or not…

    • Alan

      Well come on Sharp Ears, who exactly is paying for an unemployed Ambassador to travel the world? I’d really like to grab a piece of the action; it must be wonderful to be able to pay for all the flights Craig makes, and screw the environment, eh?

        • Alan

          Why should I be worried about the Clinton emails? It’s America’s problem and 20 years on the internet have revealed how thick Americans are. Ben for example. LMAO

          • Ben

            If I’m so thick why is it you are so thin on responses to my disembowlings?

            You really think entirely too much of yourself.

        • Loony

          No-one is interested in Clinton’s e-mails

          Any meaningful inquiry into Clinton would reveal what a venal, power hungry amoral thief, liar and sociopath she really is. You can look at her e-mails, the Clinton Foundation, the out and out rigging of the Democratic primaries, her slavish devotion to Wall Street, and oh so disturbing past as she ascended the greasy pole to power.

          Any rational analysis is bound to conclude that Trump is correct that she should be in prison.

          As most liberals are driven by ingrained prejudice very few of them will have the moral courage of Jill Stein and recommend a vote for Trump. As they can never bring themselves to support Trump they know that they cannot possibly examine Clinton. In their fantasies once Clinton is elected they will then bemoan the fact that someone has lied to them and they never ever realized that Clinton was as corrupt as she so obviously is.

          Whilst people are busy keeping quiet about Clinton or besmirching Trump good ole Hillary is planning to incinerate her voting base through launching a war against Russia – cos Putin is a bad man dontcha know.

          • Loony

            Glenn – Thank you for taking the time to prove my point that no-one is interested in examining the venality of Clinton..

            I have no idea what Credit Default Swaps have to do with the subject matter, and neither I suspect have you.

          • glenn_uk

            I shouldn’t bother. Really.

            Loony – the Republicans have done nothing but try to find something on the Clintons for the last 30 years. Entire Senate Committee Hearings (at the instigation of malicious Republicans who share your mindset) have examined, cross-examined, analysed, scrutinised, poked, picked, studied and searched everything and everyone they could, in order to find some dirt.

            They didn’t succeed.

            Nonetheless, my email spam folder is filled with utter lies and BS of the sort you and Norton take as gospel, insisting the Clinton is the most guilty person of… something!… in the world, absolute evil, with diabolical plans, and will murder us all in our beds, turn milk sour, make our teeth go crooked and shrivel up our testicles.

      • Rob Royston

        Have you scanned all his tickets? I never saw where he said he flew to London, but why not, we all do it when we need to. I’ve flown at least 624,000 miles in the last 16 years, and a lot more before that, so I must be a lot worse than Craig in your eyes, if air-miles is your bench-mark.

      • Colin Carr

        I know it’s confusing when Virgin have both an airline and a train operating company. Craig travelled Edinburgh to London by TRAIN, probably Virgin East Coast, as mentioned above.

    • Aurora

      I’m not, I’m relieved there are still some people with the ability to discriminate and question even allies where necessary. Are we supposed not to triangulate Trump’s crush on Putin and the WikiLeaks release of information that boosts Trump’s chances of becoming elected? Which the Russian government presumably favours? Even if there is no link in terms of hacking, the fact is that WikiLeaks is providing assistance to his campaign. If the main issue is manipulation of the Democrat primaries, release in a few weeks time.
      The email dump contradicts the WikiLeaks line of curating the information it releases in the public interest: as Klein points out, they’ve weaponized the leaks to cause maximum damage to one candidate during the campaign. This comment nails it: “But personal emails — and there’s all kinds of personal stuff in these emails — this sort of indiscriminate dump is precisely what Snowden was trying to protect us from.” WikiLeaks has to be careful of entering into the same kind of abuse of the power at its disposal. I’m confident someone like Greenwald measures these issues. But whoever runs WikiLeaks, I’m not so sure. Klein touches on valid issues. Just recently Corbyn was recorded in private conversation in a cafe and the contents of the eavesdropped conversation made public with virtually no qualms by the UK media. Careful what you wish for, etc…

    • Aurora

      Basically it’s a question of ethics, having an ethics and attempting to sustain it through consistent argument and action.

  • Kangaroo

    I hope Julian poured you a good Scottish malt. None of that British crap.

    Keep up the good work expose the lying bas/%^& and warmongers for what they are.


    • Habbabkuk

      I thought Scotland was part of Great Britain?

      So if British whisky is crap, so must Scotch whisky also be, surely?

      • Brianfujisan

        YOU JUST CANT HELP IT Can you Hab……….. Have you NEVER put a Whisky Past yir lips….And as For the others Like Alan,,, asking Craig not to get Drunk..Fuck off

      • kailyard rules

        There’s nothing “crap” about scotch. It can be loosely termed a British whisky but we are betting not for long.

      • Dave Price

        Habbakuk said:

        “So if British whisky is crap, so must Scotch whisky also be, surely?”

        I love the idea that this same logic stocks your wine cellar with British wine. Leaving more English wine for the rest of us.

    • Loony

      You are living in a fantasy world. Clinton is on record as wanting Assange dead.

      Even of the entire population of Europe signed this petition – no one is going to disobey the hegemonic master. No-one cares about Assange, no-one cares about me and no-one cares about you. That is why they intend initiating a major war with Russia.

      While the general population will pray that such a war does not go nuclear, those that intend initiating the war will be praying that it does go nuclear. That is the level of disconnect you have to deal with.

  • Ben

    Anytime spirits are involved there is resolution, if not revolution.

    I actually think it helps Assange’s morale more than a few well-placed phone calls of inquiry and dissent.

    But you never know…

  • Loony

    OK Glenn Just for you.

    There are multiple allegations of sexual impropriety against Bill Clinton. In the case of Paula Jones he made an $850,000 out of court settlement. He was also cited for contempt of court in the Jones case and as a consequence lost his licence to practice law for a 5 year period.

    Hillary Clinton worked under Jerry Zeifman on the Watergate inquiry. Zeifman said of Clinton “she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality”

    When Gennifer Flowers alleged an affair with Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton (keen supporter of women’s rights) launched an aggressive, explicit campaign to discredit Ms Flowers.

    The Clinton Foundation is riddled with corruption. You can read all about it here

    …and just one small example of lying to the FBI (or maybe an example of her holding public and private positions)

    She told the FBI she “was unaware of the March 2015 e-mail deletions by PRN”

    She wrote on an e-mail leaked by Wikileaks “As I said in March I chose not to keep the personal ones. I asked that they be deleted”

    You can find video evidence of her cackling over the death of Ghadaffi.

    Whilst serving as Secretary of State she ignored 600 separate requests for assistance from Christopher Stevens, the US Ambassador to Libya. Stevens was essentially lynched, brutally sodomized and killed.

    There are multiple lists of suspicious or unexplained deaths of Clinton associates spanning a period of many years. I would draw attention to the strange death of one John Ashe – a man who crushed his own throat while weight lifting. Co-incidentally this tragic accident occurred only days before he was due in court to testify against Hillary Clinton.

    There is more, there is so much more. It is documented and it is undisputed.

    • glenn_uk

      Yes it is disputed, Loony. Otherwise there would have been no shortage of prosecutors (many of them staunch Republicans) to take the Clintons to trial. None have, because there is no case to answer.

      Heck, there are more billionaires than you could shake a stick at who absolutely hate the Clintons. Wonder why they haven’t got their own high-powered lawyers on the case, with all this undisputed evidence?

      Sorry, but that is the fact. But don’t let that get in your way, of course. Because you – and your whacked out sources – have got far better information, much more solid genuine evidence, than Republican prosecutors could ever get hold of.

      Isn’t that right, Loony? Ah – what a shame none of this “documented and undisputed” evidence could find its way to – say – the Justice Department, or even the Trump campaign. If only they had access to the same sources as you clearly do.

      It might seem I’ve belabouring this point, but none of you CDS sufferers ever address it. But that’s the course of CDS, obviously.

        • glenn_uk

          Brian: It’s Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

          It took hold in the early 1990s, and had reached nearly epidemic proportions by the end of the century. There’s been a nasty resurgence in the past year or so, and is likely set in for the best part of a decade – peaking in about three years, according to the best informed epidemiologists.

          The symptoms include unbelievable levels of credulity, an onset of paranoid delusions about the power and reach and history of the Clintons, and total and sudden blindness to the obvious fact that the Clinton are running for the Democratic ticket. The Clintons do not represent the Republicans – the party that despises and works against the working class, women, minorities, because they are Christian fascists.

          Listening to and quoting alt-right agi-prop such as Alex Jones, Breitbart and so on will only deepen the progression. Actual belief in such sources indicates a terminal decline, beyond which there is no recovery.

          • Brianfujisan

            Listening to and quoting alt-right agi-prop such as Alex Jones, Breitbart and so on will only deepen the progression. Actual belief in such sources indicates a terminal decline, beyond which there is no recovery.

            Sorry Man….Missed yir point there… So Great Rap

          • Ba'al Zevul

            Just a quibble, Glenn. You describe the Republicans as ‘Christian fascists’, and I think this is unfair. Certainly the party contains ultra-Christians, neo-fascists and any combination of the two. But it also contains palaeoconservatives who even (whisper it in this company) have principles, completely undoctrinaire businessmen, and a fair number of at least one other faith. And you can safely say that most of its prominenti are chiefly in it for themselves, as is also the case with the Democrats. It’s about as true as calling the Democrats ‘atheist communists’ – as the Republicans like to do – and about as constructive, IMO.

          • glenn_uk

            @ Ba’al: Fair enough, to some extent – but look at the way the Repuglican/teabagger “base” pander to hard-core X-ian excesses. Preachers informing the faithful that Dems represent the Devil – from the pulpit (in absolute violation of the 1st Amendment), Republican legislature in numerous states causing mischief for women, indeed – everyone but Xian right-wing straight white males. All in the name of the Baybee Jaysus.

            That’s what I meant by the marrying of hard-core right-wing policies with Christianist “values”. Seems a bit Christian-fascist to me.

      • Loony

        Oh dear Glenn. What have I written that is disputed? The answer is nothing, as it is all documented and it is all verifiable. Or perhaps you believe John Ashe is still alive – maybe David Icke told you that he is now living as a lizard.

        I note that you don’t actually seek to challenge any of the points I set out – just a general smearing and rubbishing. I guess that is all that is available to someone seeking to ignore uncontested facts.

        Why would there be prosecutions? Where were the prosecutions in the UK of Jimmy Savile? How many people in the UK would seek to defend Jimmy Savile on the basis that he was never prosecuted?

        Obviously some of the information did find its way to the Justice Department – that is why Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch on the back of an airplane, and that is why James Comey twisted and turned in front of the media in an attempt to justify not prosecuting Clinton. Why do you think Bill Clinton lost his licence to practice law? Do you think this statement means that he just mislaid his licence?

        • glenn_uk

          Hey, I have plenty of free time here – so I’ll just take on _every single one_ of the accusations levelled against the Clintons by alt-right/ Republicans / teabaggers over the last 30 years – sounds fair enough!

          Loony, I’m not continuing this conversation. You’ve made your mind up – the entire country, at least all three branches of government, are all working for the Clintons. And the media, ‘natch.

          By the way – some news for you chief – Savile is dead.

  • Jermynstreetjim

    Give those Parliamentary poltroons, the peerlessly perceptive and painstaking, peak Murray treatment, Craig, They’re by inclination and indentured obligation, more than long-standing strangers to the inconvenient truths of these and other sorry sagas, so you’re already head and shoulders above their own prevaricative, pipsqueak, pettifogging protocols…. 😉

  • Petraco

    It is a pity that Julian himself can’t make the points above in a clearer manner. I know the media is hideously biased against him, but even when he does have a short exposure he could articulate more clearly. Suggest to him that he has some communication training.

  • Old Mark

    Craig- Great to hear that Julian Assange is bearing up well- I also assume (and hope) his years inside the Embassy haven’t dulled his palate too much – and that he enjoyed the malt whisky as much as you looked forward to it.

    Give the Committee your best with both barrells later this morning.

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