Diplomacia Suja

by craig on July 24, 2010 9:46 am in The Book

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My last post did not signal a return to blogging but rather explained why I need a few days’ break. But I have to share with you my joy at the release of the Brazilian edition of Murder in Samarkand, translated from the US edition and entitled Diplomacia Suja.

This is the first foreign language edition and I am childishly excited to hold it in my hands. I was actually jumping up and down a few minutes ago. There seems something magical about seeing your work in a tongue which is mysterious to you. Many thanks to Companhia Das Letras and especially to the translator, Berilo Vargas, whom I am yet to meet.

http://www.companhiadasletras.com.br/detalhe.php?codigo=12648

Good progress is being made on a Turkish translation.

309 Comments

  1. pdb

    24 Jul, 2010 - 10:47 am

    Congratulations, Craig. I wish you further success with many more translations. I’ve just booked a trip to Uzbekistan in September with a trusted walking holiday company. Normally whilst abroad I find that pointing out to locals that I am Scottish, not English, has a very positive response. Has your reputation within the country made it unwise to admit my nationality in official situations ??!!!

  2. Ishmael

    24 Jul, 2010 - 11:11 am

    What about an audio version? is that possible

  3. MJ

    24 Jul, 2010 - 11:17 am

    The Uzbek and Russian editions are in the pipeline I trust.

  4. craig

    24 Jul, 2010 - 11:19 am

  5. Craig

    24 Jul, 2010 - 11:21 am

    MJ

    Annoyingly not. I have encouraged Uzbeks to produce a free internet version but nobody has done it yet.

  6. Parky

    24 Jul, 2010 - 11:22 am

    I dare say that cheeky chappie whose name eludes me for the moment will be demanding a free copy of this translation as part of his human rights or some such….

  7. alan campbell

    24 Jul, 2010 - 1:30 pm

    Enjoy one of your Con-Dem people go up in flames. Tosser.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UovcMQXxmoE

  8. somebody

    24 Jul, 2010 - 2:14 pm

    I don’t like the title much – Dirty Diplomacy. Better the original. But well done on the publication and the increase in readership in Portuguese.

  9. Who is it

    24 Jul, 2010 - 2:22 pm

    We’d love to translate it into Uzbek but afraid of doing so.

  10. somebody

    24 Jul, 2010 - 4:54 pm

    Ishmael. It’s a pity that we cannot listen to the Radio 4 dramatisation which was excellent.

    Whilst I condemn BBC News and the BBC generally for their biased reporting of Israel and Palestine, for their refusal to air the DEC appeal for Gaza and for refusing to air the play Seven Children by Caryl Churchill, I have to applaud whoever produces the Saturday Plays.

    This afternoon was pleasurable as I listened to Christopher Hampton narrate his wonderful play The White Chameleon. It was rather sad as he recalled his childhood in Alexandria at the time of the death of the British Empire and its colonisation and what was going on in Eqypt during Suez and afterwards. It was also poignant. When he was returned to a jingoistic boarding school in Surrey, he was called a wog lover. The head had confiscated the fez that Ibrahim, his parents’ servant, had given to him as a leaving present and then proceeded to set fire to it in front of the boy.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t32mb

    Earlier I heard the wonderful Tam Dalyell (there +was+ a great Parliamentarian) speaking from Linlithgow to Any Answers recalling the aftermath of the Lockerbie plane crash.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00t32m8 7mins 20secs in. Do listen.

    “Mr Dimbleby, Mr Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi is an innocent man”

  11. ingo

    24 Jul, 2010 - 4:56 pm

    Conmgratulations to your Portuguese language copy, a spanish one would go down well in Mexico I recon, they like an underdog as much as anyone.

    Been meeting 20 people today in front of Bethel Street police station in Norwich for an impromptu vigil for Ian Tomlinson. We will do this every month and advertise it inbetween, until he will get some sort of justice and the police changes its gung ho habits towards the general public, protesting or not.

    We will also ask people to meet in their town and join in simultane, the more the better.

    I invited some local Green Party councillors to come and join in, they must have been busy.

    Members of the public stopped and agreed, a few cars bipped their horns.

    Some firefighters, situated next door, took also notice and one of them waved as he left his shift by car.

    So please debate and plan your own, wherever you live.

    here is were one can contribute to the fighting fund for a civil case, they are in need of a very good barrister indeed. Someone who is fluent in medical jargons.

    This issue cuts through all and sundry, it points to all the reform worthy agencies and establishment bastions that can be targetted for some serious savings in the autumn.

    The CPS and DPP Keir Starmer must surely be up for reform, the latter is in need of a lenghty holiday, ideally forever.

    To come back to the issue at hand, how about a German translation? They will enjoy your style of writing,

    ‘Mord in Samarkand’

    Eine Herz ergreifende real Zeit biographie aus Uzbekistan,

    bei ex UK Ambassador Craig Murray

    How does that sound?(;-)

  12. ingo

    24 Jul, 2010 - 5:23 pm

    Forgot to post the Ian Tomlinson campaign site, please bung them a few quid so they can get a QC and/or barrister of substance, ta

    http://www.iantomlinsonfamilycampaign.org.uk/2010/07/launch-of-campaign-fighting-fund.html

  13. Anonymous

    24 Jul, 2010 - 9:49 pm

    Ishmael

    Somebody,

    there are two links to torrents of the radio play of Murder in Samarkand on the February 20, 2010 thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/02/david_hare_and_1.html

  14. Abe Rene

    24 Jul, 2010 - 9:56 pm

    Congratulations on the first foreign-language translation of your book. A few languages more and you may be able to hire workers to finish doing up your house for you!

  15. Courtenay Barnett

    25 Jul, 2010 - 12:17 am

    @ Craig,

    Now I will have to learn Portugese to read it…huh?

  16. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    25 Jul, 2010 - 1:15 am

    CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS THAT VOTED TO MURDER, MAIM & GENETICALLY IMPAIR (DEPLETED URANIUM) INNOCENT CHILDREN BY AN ILLEGAL INVASION & WAR AGAINST THE SOVEREIGN COUNTRY IRAQ – A COUNTRY THAT NEITHER HURT US OR THREATENED TO HURT US:-

    OVER ONE MILLION IRAQ DEAD – FOUR MILLION DISPLACED IRAQ FAMILIES – TEN FOLD INCREASE IN IRAQ CANCERS – EIGHT FOLD INCREASE IN BIRTH DEFECTS

    David Amess (Southend West)

    Michael Ancram (Devizes)

    James Arbuthnot (Hampshire North East)

    David Atkinson (Bournemouth East)

    Peter Atkinson (Hexham)

    Greg Barker (Bexhill & Battle)

    Henry Bellingham (Norfolk North West)

    John Bercow (Buckingham)

    Sir Paul Beresford (Mole Valley)

    Crispin Blunt (Reigate)

    Tim Boswell (Daventry)

    Peter Bottomley (Worthing West)

    Mrs Virginia Bottomley (Surrey South West)

    Graham Brady (Altrincham & Sale West)

    Julian Brazier (Canterbury)

    Mrs Angela Browning (Tiverton & Honiton)

    Simon Burns (Chelmsford West)

    Alastair Burt (Bedfordshire North East)

    John Butterfill (Bournemouth West)

    David Cameron (Witney)

    William Cash (Stone)

    Sir Sydney Chapman (Chipping Barnet)

    Christopher Chope (Christchurch)

    James Clappison (Hertsmere)

    Tim Collins (Westmorland & Lonsdale)

    Derek Conway (Old Bexley & Sidcup)

    Sir Patrick Cormack (Staffordshire South)

    James Cran (Beverley & Holderness)

    David Curry (Skipton & Ripon)

    Quentin Davies (Grantham & Stamford)

    David Davis (Haltemprice & Howden)

    Jonathan Djanogly (Huntingdon)

    Stephen Dorrell (Charnwood)

    Alan Duncan (Rutland & Melton)

    Peter Duncan (Galloway & Upper Nithsdale)

    Iain Duncan Smith (Chingford & Woodford Green)

    Nigel Evans (Ribble Valley)

    Michael Fabricant (Lichfield)

    Michael Fallon (Sevenoaks)

    Mark Field (Cities of London & Westminster)

    Howard Flight (Arundel & South Downs)

    Adrian Flook (Taunton)

    Eric Forth (Bromley & Chislehurst)

    Dr Liam Fox (Woodspring)

    Mark Francois (Rayleigh)

    Roger Gale (Thanet North)

    Edward Garnier (Harborough)

    Nick Gibb (Bognor Regis & Littlehampton)

    Mrs Cheryl Gillan (Chesham & Amersham)

    Paul Goodman (Wycombe)

    James Gray (Wiltshire North)

    Chris Grayling (Epsom & Ewell)

    Damien Green (Ashford)

    John Greenway (Ryedale)

    Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield)

    William Hague (Richmond (Yorks)

    Philip Hammond (Runnymede & Weybridge)

    Nicholas Hawkins (Surrey Heath)

    John Hayes (South Holland & The Deepings)

    Oliver Heald (Hertfordshire North East)

    David Heathcoat-Amory (Wells)

    Charles Hendry (Wealden)

    Mark Hoban (Fareham)

    Michael Howard (Folkestone & Hythe)

    Gerald Howarth (Aldershot)

    Michael Jack (Fylde)

    Robert Jackson (Wantage)

    Bernard Jenkin (Essex North)

    Boris Johnson (Henley)

    Robert Key (Salisbury)

    Miss Julie Kirkbride (Bromsgrove)

    Greg Knight (Yorkshire East)

    Mrs Eleanor Laing (Epping Forest)

    Mrs Jacqui Lait (Beckenham)

    Oliver Letwin (Dorset West)

    Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East)

    Ian Liddell-Grainger (Bridgwater)

    David Lidington (Aylesbury)

    Peter Lilley (Hitchin & Harpenden)

    Tim Loughton (Worthing East & Shoreham)

    Peter Luff (Worcestershire Mid)

    Miss Anne McIntosh (Vale of York)

    Andrew Mackay (Bracknell)

    David Maclean (Penrith & The Border)

    Patrick McLoughlin (Derbyshire West)

    John Maples (Stratford-on-Avon)

    Michael Mates (Hampshire East)

    Francis Maude (Horsham)

    Sir Brian Mawhinney (Cambridgeshire North West)

    Mrs Theresa May (Maidenhead)

    Patrick Mercer (Newark)

    Andrew Mitchell (Sutton Coldfield)

    Malcolm Moss (Cambridgeshire North East)

    Archie Norman (Tunbridge Wells)

    Stephen O’Brien (Eddisbury)

    George Osborne (Tatton)

    Richard Ottaway (Croydon South)

    James Paice (Cambridgeshire South East)

    Owen Paterson (Shropshire North)

    Eric Pickles (Brentwood & Ongar)

    Michael Portillo (Kensington & Chelsea)

    Mark Prisk (Hertford & Stortford)

    John Redwood (Wokingham)

    Andrew Robathan (Blaby)

    Hugh Robertson (Faversham & Kent Mid)

    Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury)

    Mrs Marion Roe (Broxbourne)

    Andrew Rosindell (Romford)

    David Ruffley (Bury St Edmunds)

    Andrew Selous (Bedfordshire South West)

    Mrs Gillian Shephard (Norfolk South West)

    Richard Shepherd (Aldridge-Brownhills)

    Mark Simmonds (Boston & Skegness)

    Keith Simpson (Norfolk Mid)

    Nicholas Soames (Sussex Mid)

    Mrs Caroline Spelman (Meriden)

    Sir Michael Spicer (Worcestershire West)

    Dr Robert Spink (Castle Point)

    Richard Spring (Suffolk West)

    Sir John Stanley (Tonbridge & Malling)

    Gary Streeter (Devon South West)

    Desmond Swayne (New Forest West)

    Hugo Swire (Devon East)

    Robert Syms (Poole)

    John Taylor (Solihull)

    David Tredinnick (Bosworth)

    Michael Trend (Windsor)

    Peter Viggers (Gosport)

    Nigel Waterson (Eastbourne)

    Mrs Angela Watkinson (Upminster)

    John Whittingdale (Maldon & Chelmsford East)

    Miss Ann Widdecombe (Maidstone & The Weald)

    Bill Wiggin (Leominster)

    John Wilkinson (Ruislip-Northwood)

    David Willetts (Havant)

    Mrs Ann Winterton (Congleton)

    Nicholas Winterton (Macclesfield)

    Tim Yeo (Suffolk South)

    Sir George Young (Hampshire North West)

    SHAME ON YOU

  17. somebody

    25 Jul, 2010 - 7:28 am

    Thank you Mark for reminding us of the treachery of the Conservatives. The Labour list would be too long, into hundreds, and I don’t think any Liberal Democrats voted for the illegal war but I might be wrong there.

    Have you read this from the still burningly angry Layla Anwar?

    http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2010/07/more-english-filth.html

    My brother said -

    …..Layla is dead right and her most un-Islamic invective is understood. But the people at Wootton Bassett cannot see it and some other millions besides. That includes the British Legionnaires dipping their colours. They will not say’ we fought in a defensive war, but Iraq and Afghanistan were aggressive wars. Figleaf of Ssecurity Council resolution where the five major nuclear powers control decisions….

    He refers to the British Legion. This morning’s junk mail (left by the poor overloaded postman) included one from the British Legion in a white A4 envelope with the legend in large red print – Help a Hero. Alongside just the photo of a legless soldier in uniform in a wheelchair. Inside a window sticker ‘I helped a Hero’, an appeal letter, a flyer and the return envelope. I had a good mind to stuff it all back into the envelope and post it without a stamp but didn’t.

    PS Thanks anon for the torrent link to Radio 4′s Murder in Samarkand.

  18. Clark

    25 Jul, 2010 - 9:00 am

    Somebody,

    thank you for the link to Arab Woman Blues. I looked for a way to leave a comment there, but I couldn’t find one. I wouldn’t know what to write anyway.

  19. somebody

    25 Jul, 2010 - 10:23 am

    Layla used to take comments but had to stop. You can imagine what nastiness was left there.

    This is a list of all who voted for that war.

    http://www.holdthemtoaccount.com/who-voted-for-the-war/

    and there is a comment on this Medialens thread about Carne Ross and Craig having been on their ‘roads to Damascus’! Carne Ross wrote on the obstruction he has encountered from the Chilcot enquiry and from the FCO.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1280038991.html

  20. Iain Orr

    25 Jul, 2010 - 11:23 am

    Somebody (4.54pm yesterday) and Mark Golding (1.15am today) have added valuable reference material to this thread. I was annoyed at just catching the last few words of Tam Dalyell’s “Any Answers” contribution.

    Mark’s name-check of Conservative MPs who voted for the invasion of Iraq prompts me to ask: has anyone tried to list (from election literature etc) how the new Conservatives MPs say they would have voted had they then been in Parliament?

    Like other, I prefer the original title of Craig’s book (even if that led to its being stocked in the crime section of some bookshops). “Dirty Diplomacy” does, however, provoke the thought – what’s “Clean Diplomacy”? I’m looking forward to reading Jeremy Black’s “A History of Diplomacy”. It was given a good review in the TLS by Sir John Ure, a former Ambassador with a deserved reputation as a writer of thoughtful and entertaining official despatches.

    I hope Craig can persuade a few publications to ask him to review Black’s book. Extensive reviews by other blogging diplomatic retirees such as Brian Barder and Charles Crawford would also be welcome.

  21. peacewisher

    25 Jul, 2010 - 12:54 pm

    I guess the political establishment are doing their best to avoid debate on illegality because it would fall back onto them (and then all of us as their subjects?) if the illegality argument gained momentum.

    If that scenario were to occur, surely fingers would point and those who signed up for it would be answerable. Their only defence would be to (belatedly) say they were deceived/lied to in parliament. What would happen then, I wonder…

  22. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    25 Jul, 2010 - 1:36 pm

    A sensitive and somewhat sad comment Clark – thank-you – in so little words you have captured the thoughts of most of us.

  23. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    25 Jul, 2010 - 3:02 pm

    Britains “Deep State”

    Has the ‘damage control’ torture inquiry eclipsed David Cameron’s and Nick Clegg’s support for an independent inquiry into the July 7th London bombing attacks?

    Why are the ‘dynamic duo’ coalition regime challenging attempts to explore the preventability of the attacks?

    Importants questions that a succinct British public is asking and yet we continually learn of the governments attempts to protect the ‘deep state’ revealed in a letter to Gibson from PM David Cameron that made clear most of the evidence in the torture inquiry will be heard in private and the inqiry board’s powers will be limited as non-statutory.

    We witness another ‘Butler type’ hand-picked, member subservient, Whitehall whitewash – (Sir Peter is a thoroughly acceptable figure to British spies because he has been Commissioner of the Intelligence Services since 2006, and was reappointed only last year and Riddel celebrates Bush/Blair relationship in his book!) – that hides the truth of official guidelines to intelligence officers for handling detainees which applied while during the periods detainees were disgustingly abused.

    I have learnt the ‘trick’ will be to publish new ‘consoldidated rules of interrogation.

    Robin Cook spoke to me in depth about ‘deep state’ collusion with radical Islam and about covert operations over the last twenty years intended to acheive foreign policy objectives, overthrowing roque governments and controlling resources.

    I will shortly reveal British complicity in Iraq death squads and the role of facilitating British social engineering projects in the geopolitical arena by using ‘useful’ militants.

    Nobody is beyond justice even in the name of National security and I understand clearly why Robin was silenced.

    I will not be silenced.

  24. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    25 Jul, 2010 - 4:29 pm

  25. Solomon Adeleye

    25 Jul, 2010 - 5:53 pm

    Simply “Awesome”

    Translated to English

    “When it came to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray was a diplomat on the rise, and assumed a strategic position. The ambassador’s mission was clear: to strengthen trade relations between this former Soviet republic and Britain and, if possible, lend a hand to Americans in the War on Terror.

    Encountered, however, with thorny surprises. After witnessing a fraudulent trial of dissidents, Murray receives photos staggering, in which an opponent of the regime appears literally boiled to death. When relaying information through the canals of Britain, the answer was even more outrageous, and message, though overshadowed by the political jargon, was clear: the Uzbekistani government is our ally in war on terror, do not interfere.

    Fond of a glass (or three) and womanizer stubborn, Murray was little accustomed to bloated code of diplomatic conduct, and was far from being a role model. However, soon found himself in the role of unwitting hero and went public to reveal embarrassing facts that his colleagues and bosses stubbornly ignore.

    In the midst of political persecution and a lot of dirty diplomacy, Murray also speaks of his troubled personal life and love for a stripper from Tashkent, together this unlikely activist who accidentally threw away a brilliant career to devote himself to a cause that no one dared to defend.”

    Congratulations Craig!

  26. somebody

    25 Jul, 2010 - 6:03 pm

    What is all the religious mumbo jumbo about on Solomon Adeleye’s website?

    The Redeemed Christian Church Of God

    Israel 2009

    The Redeemed Christian Church Of God

    The Redeemed Christian Church Of God: Next Holy Ghost Service

    The Conservative Party (“A Radical Distribution Of Power”)

    Support Rt Hon David Cameron For A Reliable And Lasting Change (Yes) Yes We Can

    MEMBER) Christians United For Israel

    Isaiah 62:1 “For Zions Sake I Will Not Keep Silent, For Jerusalem’s Sake I Will Not Remain Quiet, Till Her Righteousness Shines Out Like The Dawn, Her Salvation Like A Blazing Touch.”

  27. Solomon Adeleye

    25 Jul, 2010 - 6:18 pm

    Jesus Is Lord

    I admire Craig, he has done a lot for this great country and even more for Africa.

    He is a man with courage!

  28. Nomad

    25 Jul, 2010 - 6:24 pm

    Solomon Adelaye says in his blog: “In the Christian life we battle against rulers and authorities (the powerful evil forces of fallen angels headed by satan, who is a vicious fighter)”. I say “what a hypocrite!!!”

  29. Highlander

    25 Jul, 2010 - 6:30 pm

    Did Jesus eat? – Yes.

    Solomon,

    Did Jesus sleep? – Yes.

    Dis Jesus go to toilet? – Yes.

    Did Jesus have flesh? – Yes.

    Well, definitely he was not God, neither son of God. God is Eternal, The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks, He begets not, nor was He begotten, And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.

  30. Solomon

    25 Jul, 2010 - 7:31 pm

    “And (remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, God has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and chosen you above the women of the mankind and jinns.”

    43. O Mary! “Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself”

    44. This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you with (O Muhammad ). You were not with them, when they cast lots with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.

    45. (Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, God gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to God.”

    46. “He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous.”

    47. She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: “So (it will be) for God creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!” and it is.

    48. And He (God) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Wisdom, (and) the Taur’t (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).

    49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by God’s Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.

    50. And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taur’t (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear God and obey me.

    59. Verily, the likeness of ‘Iesa (Jesus) before God is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was.

    60. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.

  31. Ruth

    25 Jul, 2010 - 7:45 pm

    Mark Golding

    ‘Robin Cook spoke to me in depth about ‘deep state’ collusion with radical Islam and about covert operations over the last twenty years intended to acheive foreign policy objectives, overthrowing roque governments and controlling resources.’

    Did he mention how these activities were funded?

  32. Solomon Adeleye

    25 Jul, 2010 - 8:08 pm

    “Nomad” – May God bless you.

    In answering to your claim that i am a hypocrite, sorry but i disagree with you.

    Point is you the quote you read in my blog was a quote from the bible,:

    The Book Of Ephesians 6:10-20.

    “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should”. (NIV) {End Quote}

    The Word Of God Is Not Hypocritical its DIVINE REVELATION.

    There are many kinds of strength. But the most important one is the strength you need in the Lord. True Christian strength is not of the body. True Christian strength is of the spirit, measured in faithfulness, trust, and perseverance. By Grace we live by Faith.

    Our (true) struggle is against powers and principalities and the Lord wants us to be strong.

    God bless you

  33. Stephen Jones

    25 Jul, 2010 - 8:15 pm

    ——–”Mark’s name-check of Conservative MPs who voted for the invasion of Iraq prompts me to ask: has anyone tried to list (from election literature etc) how the new Conservatives MPs say they would have voted had they then been in Parliament?”——-

    Boris Johnson has stated he only voted in favour because he felt Tony Blair was telling the truth, and that if he had known what he knew later he would have voted against.

  34. Solomon Adeleye

    25 Jul, 2010 - 8:20 pm

    The Book Of John 1:1-5

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.”

  35. Nomad

    25 Jul, 2010 - 10:20 pm

    Solomon Adelaye,

    please answer these questions:

    -Do you accept the truth that God created Adam, Eve, and offspring from them?

    -Do you accept that God chose some individuals amongst people as prophets, i.e. Ibraheem (Abraham), Nuh (Noah), Yakub (Jacob), Musa (Moses) etc. to guide people to the Truth? And the task of all those prophets was to teach people to worship God alone not idols.

    -If your answer is yes, answer more of my questions:

    -Why do you think God decided to come down in person as Jesus (?) or send his son (?) in person of Jesus? Do you think God couldn’t manage anymore to choose righteous individuals as prophets to guide people?

    -Why jews, who accept Moses, do not accept the message of Jesus who came after Moses?

    -Why christians, who accept the message of Moses, do not accept the message of Muhammad who came after Jesus?

    -Why muslims accept the message of Moses, Jesus, and all prophets, whose names are mentioned in the Bible and Quran?

    -Slightly different subject, why a German priest recently committed suicide because many of his former followers reverted to Islam?

  36. Clark

    25 Jul, 2010 - 11:00 pm

    Somebody,

    Layla Anwar says “…the Iranian criminal puppets we [the US/UK] installed…”, and I found something similar on another post of hers. This seems like the direct opposite of what our mainstream media was telling us. Do you know any more?

  37. glenn

    25 Jul, 2010 - 11:09 pm

    Solomon: Would you mind keeping that religious hog’s-snot out of this forum, and allow those feeble minded enough to delude themselves into enjoying reading nonsense like that to do it elsewhere?

    Most of the world’s problems have been and are caused by religious cranks like yourself, and we’d be far better off if you all prayed in your closet, like your Jesus actually told you to (if you bothered to read the Bible instead of just quoting favoured sections of it). What the historical Jesus stood against most enthusiastically was organised religion. So kindly take the primitive, idiotic, superstitious religious mumbo-jumbo elsewhere.

  38. nevergiveup

    25 Jul, 2010 - 11:21 pm

    Interesting story from the BBC

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10754105

  39. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    25 Jul, 2010 - 11:24 pm

    Ruth,

    I spent just about 20 mins with Robin, his car was waiting and he seemed nervous and agitated. I spent what seemed like ages convincing Robin who I was Ruth and I had thought about my questions in advance which did not include specifics of funding.

    Clearly he was critical of the intelligence services lack of accountability and waste of tax payers money, but also he emphasised a distinct threat to civil liberties – the latter I pursued with him.

    I have said before – beyond any doubt he was frightened or worried or both and told me he had talked to ‘his wife’ (Gaynor?) about “getting out of politics” soonest or earlier.

    Strangely I am still shaken by the meeting and his astonishing details constantly haunt me.

  40. Solomon Adeleye

    25 Jul, 2010 - 11:40 pm

    God bless you too Clark Killick.

    Would you like to know more about Jesus?

    Jesus Teaches About Love And Not “organised religion”

    The Bible Says In Matthew 22:34-40

    ” And [Jesus] said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it: ‘You shall love you neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

  41. Solomon Adeleye

    25 Jul, 2010 - 11:57 pm

    “Nomad”

    May the Good Lord Bless you

    I See you want answers to a lot of “Whys”

    My answers to your above questions can be found in the book of:

    Proverbs:30,18-19

    Proverbs:16,27

    May the Lord give you insight to his words. Amen

  42. Clark

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:33 am

    Solomon Adeleye,

    God bless you, too. A couple of weeks ago I opened a bible for the first time in years, and found myself reading Mark 11, I think, where Jesus arrives at the temple in Jerusalem and gets very cross with the moneychangers, and then confounds the priests who challenge him by asking whether the Baptism of John was heavenly or earthly.

    This was a highly political act. Jesus put morals ahead of profit, and I am not surprised that he was crucified.

  43. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:47 am

    glenn,

    To understand why this man has visited us here I believe we have to understand the fundamental role of fear in our world.

    From the earliest fear of climate that could mean drought, flood or fire that required worshipping the sun, through to the awareness and recognition by man that fear could bring power and control. The fear of a curse that could worry an assailant to death; the witch-doctors curse was all powerful and earned respect. A cursed man was rejected from the tribe/society as friends became fearful of engaging. Loss of protection, lack of food & water, fear and abandonment inevitably meant physical and mental demise. A cursed man was condemned, literally scared to death

    Witchcraft and the occult exposed a more complex fear but again invoked power over weak minds to exploit riches and sexual favours.

    Fear of war, fear of terror and fear of the wrath of a god are now the tools of leaders and their followers in a religious mix that includes the fear of dying. But be cautious because it is only a wise man who can navigate through the corruption and touch the truth without falling because the way has become blurred by false prophets and exploitation. Evil is all too often cloaked in a religious robe.

    Judge for yourself here:

    daughtersforzion.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=65

    and here:

    radicalislam.org/action/ilan-sharon-minnesotans-against-terrorism

    and here:

    minnesotansagainstterrorism.org/

    and a video here:

    youtube.com/watch?v=ZhOW__RKx_U&fmt=18

  44. Larry from Seattle

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:48 am

    Heh, I thought this was a Muslim site – not a Christian site. Well I suppose it’s all-around crazy.

    So what if WTC7 wasn’t hit by a plane?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI&feature=player_embedded#!

  45. Solomon Adeleye

    26 Jul, 2010 - 2:24 am

    “Nomad”

    Oh yes he was crucified But Go back and read the end of the Book Of Mark and Matthew, you will find out he has Risen.

    Let me educate you:

    Matthew 28: 2-7

    2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the LORD came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. 5 The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6 He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Now I have told you.”

    Also Read The Book Of:

    Mark 16: 6-11

    ” 6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’ ” 8 Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid. 9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it”

    So Jesus is Risen, thats why you and i are alive today.

    God bless you Nomad

  46. Glenn

    26 Jul, 2010 - 2:57 am

    Mark: Understood, these are a bunch of religious nuts, racists and fearful far-right bigots.

    Solomon – please go away with this whacked out idiocy, and these insane, corrupt rantings that have been heavily edited by filthy christianist organisations. We all know the Pope is basically the head of a massive pedophile ring. We all know the Bible, despite enormous self-contradiction, came into being by committee rather than divine inspiration.

    Why don’t you quote from the book of Bartholomew, which has Jaysus helpfully lengthening pieces of wood for his carpenter father? Or when the trickster Jaysus turns his friends into goats and so on temporarily for a laugh? Guess that was too nutty to include in the Official Version.

    Tell you what, Solomon, let the DIVINE SPIRIT of the LORD guide your fingers, and the BAYBEE JAYSUS fill your heart. Be WASHED with the BLOOD of the LAMB, yay brother, and ANGELS give you strength as you… rapture yourself up right now, HAVE FAITH! Not a second to be wasted. Hear those trumpets! FEEL those earthquakes, OBSERVE the mighty whore of Babylon as predicted, and RAPTURE up and away, lest YOU too be caught in eternal gnashing of teeth AND rending of garments, AS it is predicted.

    Alternatively, give any rational and provable reason why your particular system of religion is different from that of any other peddler of cults. I thank rationality and reason that your lot is finally dying out. Good riddance to an evil influence, it is long overdue.

  47. Solomon Adeleye

    26 Jul, 2010 - 3:30 am

    Glen

    Sorry i was busy reading the bible but since you asked, Please read:

    Proverbs 1: 7

    Proverbs 13: 3

    Proverbs 18: 2

    The book of Proverbs are filled with words of Wisdom, my prayer is that you seek wisdom, the above Scriptures should give you lots of wisdom, a humble heart and a tamed tongue

    God bless you

  48. Anonymous

    26 Jul, 2010 - 3:56 am

    Solomon, I’ve already read the whole damned book all the way through, many, many times. More times than your good self, I’ll wager, which is why I started thinking and developed a real problem with religiosity. So please don’t refer me to some vague passage which a True Believer such as yourself might see as bearing _exactly_ on any given situation presented.

    Instead of quoting a bunch of crap from well before any real historical or fact-based understanding of our world took hold, why don’t you just talk? Or are you one of these people who can only refer and quote, hoping that will obfuscate your utter inability to reason?

    There’s not one shred, not one, of any provable basis to your doctrine. That’s why it’s called Faith, not Science. Science is what is provable and knowable, much as you doubtless hate that too. But Science is what keeps aeroplanes in the air and people alive during operations, not faith. I’m pretty sure you choose science every time over faith when it comes to matters of life and death like that, utter hypocrite that you are. Jesus hated hypocrites, by the way.

  49. somebody

    26 Jul, 2010 - 8:47 am

    I thought the funniest thing on this man’s Solomon’s site was

    The Conservative Party (“A Radical Distribution Of Power”)

    Support Rt Hon David Cameron For A Reliable And Lasting Change (Yes) Yes We Can

    which is presumably based on Obomber’s electioneering slogans. And hasn’t he turned out well!

    The US’s latest action in having these massive military manoeuvres with South Korea is designed to provoke the North Koreans. The embedded BBC reporter on board the 60,000 ton aircraft carrier George Washington, with its 5,000 strong crew and a fleet of F16s, was boasting of the size of the assembled force this morning. I think the threat is also intended to extend to China.

    And if you want a good example of a Christian Zionist talking to a racist here is one. It is two loonies talking in the asylum, which is fine except we know that the Christian Zionist lobby is extensive in the US. The lust for the blood of the Iranians is demonstrated here.

    http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010072511132/culture-wars/interview-with-the-friends-of-israel-gospel-ministry.html

    Daniel Pipes: I don’t think so. I don’t think sanctions have any value beyond window dressing. I don’t think agreements have any value. I don’t think threats have any value. It boils down to whether we accept the Iranian nuclear program or we destroy it.

    Elwood McQuaid: How should Israelis feel about this?

    Daniel Pipes: I think it’s realistic for the Israelis to attack and do real damage. Now, what constitutes success, I’m not exactly sure. There are many, many questions. If I were [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin]Netanyahu, I would say to [U.S. President Barack] Obama, “Why don’t you take out the Iranian nukes? Or else we will And we will not do it by trying to fly planes across Turkey and Syria or Jordan or Saudi Arabia. We will do it from submarine-based, tactical nuclear weapons.

  50. ingo

    26 Jul, 2010 - 9:23 am

    Sorry to butt into this rivetting debate about assumptive writing of one or other indoctrination with some real news you most probably heard all over the world this morning.

    The proverbial has hit the fan, big time.

    I think that this marks the real turn around to the war in Afghanistan and I thank Julian Assange for his brave work and message.

    The message is that non of the major news networks can not be trusted with such news.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/jul/26/afghanistan-war-logs-wikileaks#start-of-comments

  51. Eduardo

    26 Jul, 2010 - 10:02 am

    Dear Mister Murray,

    I am a brazilian student of International Relations, and I am reading at this moment the br-portuguese edition – I am too lazy to read the original one.

    It’s my impression there was none or at least very involment of your embassy with the UN, toward human rights issues. Is there a specific reason?

    It’s a real lesson to read a testimony like yours, far different from the books about realism and realpolitik from college

    Best Regards, hope you will visit us in Brazil.

  52. peacewisher

    26 Jul, 2010 - 10:36 am

    Eduardo. If you are interested in studying this sordid chapter in our history, you might like to check out conversations between Kofi Annan and Clare Short. The latter, belatedly (too late?) resigned from the UK govt. If the truth does get out, Craig needs to get the International acclaim that his courage deserves.

  53. Clark

    26 Jul, 2010 - 12:08 pm

    Ingo,

    yes, a large consignment of manure has collided with an industrial rotational ventilation device. The BBC front page is full of propaganda about what US/NATO are doing in Afghanistan.

    The UK has launched a “Cyber Security Competition” to recruit network security specialists. Wikileaks rely upon donations (leaks) of information. They do not break into protected computer systems, but I expect that this is how they are going to be portrayed.

  54. Clark

    26 Jul, 2010 - 12:35 pm

    I cannot connect to Wikileaks. Possibly the site is just inundated with traffic…

  55. somebody

    26 Jul, 2010 - 12:39 pm

    They seem to be readying for this press conference at the Frontline Club. It says Julian Assange to speak???

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/26/wikileaks-julian-assange-afghanistan-war-logs

  56. somebody

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:06 pm

    Gosh that was quick. Just 44 mins ago US says Wikileaks threatens US security.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10758578

    BBC 1 News at One have Frank ‘I Was There’ Gardner on for comment!

  57. Clark

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:07 pm

    Craig’s comment on June 10th confirmed:

    “A Blackhawk helicopter was taken down, indicating that the Afghan resistance have regained access to effective missiles”

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/06/afghanistan_hea.html

  58. Clark

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:10 pm

    Re my comment 1:07 above,

    “The Taliban has had access to portable heat-seeking missiles to shoot at aircraft.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10757344

  59. Abe Rene

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:25 pm

    Glenn: I am not inclined to get into arguments about religion, but your calling the Pope the head of a paedophile ring almost compels me to respond: there is no evidence that suggests approval of these serious criminals by Benedict XVI. The fault and lasting responsibility belongs to those who failed to turn them over to the police.

  60. ingo

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:36 pm

    And listen to all the crying of foul on the blogs, as if they expected Iran to just sit put and take it as it comes.

    So much to US spending 400million/annum on the insurection of Iran, once that huge axial ventilator and its turbine start spreading the brown matter, it goes everywhere, including into our own faces, tough, they should have thought of that possibility when they begatted ISI and gave live to a radical political islam and the Taliban, now the tide is turning.

    Some say that ISI relationship with the Taliban is undermining western efforts.

    Well, at least they have a relationship and can talk to the Taliban, we have abondoned the child we created and only now, that it has grown into a healthy young adult, are we realising that we have to talk to it, that we need to have a relationship with Taliban junior.

    Unless the current drive changes and the Kandahar mission is called off, this will not happen imho.

    I

  61. Clark

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:57 pm

    The crescendo of cries of “national security” are such obvious nonsense. The ‘enemy’ *already know* all this stuff, they live there and experience it first-hand. This is about what the global public are allowed to know.

  62. somebody

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:58 pm

    ‘as if they expected Iran to just sit put and take it as it comes.’

    Are we still talking about Wikileaks and if do, did you mean Afghanistan?

  63. Clark

    26 Jul, 2010 - 1:58 pm

    Live feed from the Frontline Club just ceased.

  64. ingo

    26 Jul, 2010 - 2:52 pm

    I was eulogising about the revelations that Iran has supported the Taliban with various measures and that some today make a big deal out of it trying to avert from their failings.

    Versus the fact that the US has been instigating this by their own actions in Iran.

    in a nutshell.

  65. Craig

    26 Jul, 2010 - 8:42 pm

    Personally I have no doubt that many of my moral judgements are informed by the Christian teaching I received from good people as a child.

    I don’t think hostility towards religious belief is necessary.

  66. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    26 Jul, 2010 - 8:49 pm

    Please take a moment to sign a petition to release the Wikileaks whistle-blower.

    Remember, a GI has risked imprisonment to expose the truth, hoping the truth could stop the war crimes. Currently the Pentagon is holding Specialist Bradley Manning in custody, reportedly in Kuwait, suspected of the leak. If Manning did this, he is not a traitor but a hero to humanity. That these cables are public can help end the war.

    http://www.iacenter.org/iraq/freebradleymanning/

    Cheers

  67. Clark

    26 Jul, 2010 - 9:41 pm

    Craig,

    well put. I found some of the comments to Solomon Adeleye overly abrasive. I had a quick look at his website and find a confusing mixture of contradictory material there. I found all the Israeli flags particularly worrying. Maybe a former commenter (whom I shall not name for fear of his reappearance) has made some here a bit over defensive.

    Mark Golding,

    thanks for the link; I’ve signed.

  68. glenn

    26 Jul, 2010 - 11:01 pm

    ok, sorry.

  69. somebody

    26 Jul, 2010 - 11:27 pm

    Clark and Mark I just signed and within seconds I had five notices of returned mail from five different sources and in my spam another from an e-mail address beginning mod@ and ending in .eg

    wtf????? Have you had the same?

    Are we being monitored/censored?

  70. Clark

    27 Jul, 2010 - 12:17 am

    Somebody,

    I had something similar. I’d signed the “Free Bradley Manning” petition, and got delivery failures from various places that the petition e-mail had been sent to. I don’t think it’s a problem. It looks as though several of the target Inboxes were either overloaded (by petition responses?) or were out of date and already deactivated. I’d say it’s poor design by lacenter.org. They should have compiled signatures and sent one e-mail to each target, but instead sent an e-mail for each person that signed.

  71. glenn

    27 Jul, 2010 - 3:21 am

    Comrades,

    I might have sounded a little harsh on our sermonising Solomon. After all, he only told me the following, by way of quotation, that:

    —-

    “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction”

    “He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.”

    “A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.”

  72. somebody

    27 Jul, 2010 - 6:39 am

    With you Glenn. It was the more than a hint of Christian Zionism that got me PLUS the copying of Obomber’s slogans.

    All dangerous junk.

  73. somebody

    27 Jul, 2010 - 7:28 am

    This is an unusually named website on which to find a potted history of the politics behind the war in Afghanistan. I have not heard of the author before who is a ‘retired teacher’

    http://airlinesearchengine.net/sherman-debrosse-pipeline-politics-and-the-afghanistan-war

    Sherman DeBrosse : Pipeline Politics and the Afghanistan War

    July 26th, 2010

    Worth all the blood?

    The Trans Afghanistan Pipeline

  74. Richard Robinson

    27 Jul, 2010 - 10:15 am

    Solomon Adeleye’s first few comments here were to congratulate Craig on his book being translated. I second them.

    The “website” link that this site makes possible in a signature is for pointing to peoples’ websites. Not everything that anyone might say on their websites is guaranteed to have any relevance here. To pick fights over anything that can be found on them makes this blog into collateral damage, treats it as less important than some other agenda. It’s not like he brought it up, until attacked.

    I’m more interested in Brazil, then maybe Turkey; both countries that seem to be noticeably developing their own independent views of the state of things (and making them stick), so perhaps particularly helpful for them to hear that “we” are not a monolith.

  75. Clark

    27 Jul, 2010 - 11:56 am

    Glenn,

    I apologise to you. I hadn’t looked up the biblical references. I took a quick look at Solomon Adeleye’s site, and decided not to try to understand it.

    The trouble with ‘holy’ books is that people treat them as ‘holy’. They contain very diverse material, but people ignore or forget that they’re making a choice from that material – after all, if it’s all ‘God’s Word’, they don’t need to seriously analyze how they use it, right? Wrong.

    The way to change such people’s minds is to quote appropriate biblical passages; any other approach leads to them dismissing one’s argument as ‘man’s word vs God’s’. Personally I can’t be bothered to fish through the Bible for the quotes I’d need; that sort of argument is just not what I visit this site for. But maybe with the apparently increasing use of ‘holy’ material to justify political positions, I should start reading the Bible again.

    Many of us here probably bear a grudge against Christianity due to it’s influence over us in our early years; this certainly applies to me. But it would be inconsistent of us to accept or gloss over comments with an Islamic flavour while criticising Christian comments as being superstitious nonsense.

    I suppose my point is that ‘religious’ arguments should be engaged on the basis of their morality rather than the validity or otherwise of the religion itself. I couldn’t easily determine the moral direction of Solomon Adeleye’s site, but he may have a worrying confusion between the modern state if Israel and the biblical ‘Twelve Tribes’.

    Of course, such confusion is deliberately cultivated for political purposes by the hypocritical Israeli state. But the powerful have always used religious beliefs to manipulate people. That is exactly what Jesus of Nazareth fought against, what got him executed, and why the story of his life and death is so powerful and important.

  76. Clark

    27 Jul, 2010 - 12:41 pm

    My typo, 5th para. 11:56 above:

    “…modern state OF Israel”.

    Glenn,

    Somebody,

    remember that not everyone who accepts a concept is necessarily a perpetrator. Christian Zionism is on the one hand a belief, and on the other a projected propaganda. Unsurprisingly, some people fall under the influence of such propaganda.

    Things were so much simpler in Jesus’ time; the Moneychangers in the Temple were in public sight. Nowadays corporate immorality is hidden behind corporate secrecy, and the corporate mainstream media enables the projection of ‘public images’ that are highly misleading. There are still masses of people that see Obama as a figure of hope, and have little understanding of the power structure within which he is embedded.

  77. somebody

    27 Jul, 2010 - 1:27 pm

    So what was the purpose of linking to that website other than to give us his messages?

  78. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    27 Jul, 2010 - 2:14 pm

    WAS VICTORIA EXORCISED BY BEATING?

    By 19 February 2000 Victoria had become very ill. Kouao took Victoria with her to the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God on Seven Sisters Road. Kouao spoke to the minister (Pastor Lima) and told him of the problems she was having with Victoria, particularly with her incontinence. Pastor Lima expressed the view that Victoria was possessed by an evil spirit and advised Kouao to bring Victoria back to the church a week

    later. During the week Kouao telephoned the Pastor and reported that Victoria’s behaviour and incontinence was improving. However, later in the week Kouao returned to the church with Victoria where Pastor Lima advised them to go to hospital and called a minicab.

    The minicab driver took Victoria and Kouao to the nearby Tottenham Ambulance Station. Victoria was then taken by ambulance to North Middlesex hospital and admitted to casualty. Her temperature on arrival was 27 degrees Celsius (compared with a normal temperature of 36-37C), and attempts to warm her were unsuccessful. The paediatric consultant believed that Victoria needed specialist care, and a place was found for her at St

    Mary’s Hospital Paddington. Victoria was transferred to St Mary’s with severe hypothermia and multi-system failure. Her respiratory, cardiac and renal systems all began to shut down and Victoria went into cardiac arrest. Attempts at cardio-pulmonary resuscitation failed and Victoria was declared dead at 3.15 pm on 25 February 2000.

    Ironically, this was the very day that Haringey Social Services formally closed her case.

    Police covert investigation of a number of churches has demonstrated certain priests carry out acts of “deliverance” for their clients from among their church audience and pocket large sums of money.

    One of the victims has reported being sexually abused 21 times at the age of 18 as a guarantee that her family is freed from a curse that caused them problems with another woman saying her husband committed suicide after a London church pastor told him his wife and son were witches.

    Bishop Joe Aldred, secretry of minority ethnic Christian affairs at Churches Together in England has criticized the current trend of giving license to people to establish their churches saying “at the moment you can set up a church anywhere, anytime”.

    He said “in the same way we wouldn’t tolerate somebody setting themselves up as a lawyer or surgeon without proper training and regulation, we shouldn’t expose the souls of people to anybody who happens to think they can set up a church”.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmhealth/570/570.pdf

  79. somebody

    27 Jul, 2010 - 3:23 pm

    I am not saying that Solomon’s site condones or advocates these superstitions.

    The case of Victoria Climbie was tragic as is the case with Khyra Ishaq. The review into her death was released this morning. All agencies failed according to Gove. It will be be interesting to see what happens when his ConDems have demolished what is left of our society and the social services.

    I see that Khyra Ishaq’s stepfather thought that she too was possessed.

    http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2010/02/09/khyra-ishaq-trial-she-was-possessed-by-evil-spirit-stepdad-97319-25790055/

  80. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    27 Jul, 2010 - 4:18 pm

    Why babies children are still dying from treatable sanitary diseases in Iraq

    Billions of dollars of reconstruction funds have gone missing in Iraq with the US Defense Department saying it no record of how the money was spent.

    A newly released audit by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction suggests that the Pentagon is unable to properly account for USD 8.7 billion out of USD 9.1 billion in Iraqi oil revenue entrusted to it between 2004 and 2007.

    Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction blames poor record-keeping and lax oversight for the loss.

    “Weak oversight is directly correlated to increased numbers of cases of theft and abuse, with the majority of convictions to date being traceable to the 2003-2004 time-frame where accounting practices were weakest,” he said in an e-mail, according to a Washington Post report on Tuesday.

    Much of the money which came from the sale of Iraqi oil and gas were earmarked for reconstruction projects.

    The report also said the US military continues to hold over 34 million dollars of the fund, even though it was required to return it to the Iraqi government in 2007.

    BBC Panorama video

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7480000/newsid_7484100/7484114.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2

    Return the MONEY you ‘get rich quick’ bastards!

  81. Vronsky

    27 Jul, 2010 - 4:20 pm

    “CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS THAT VOTED TO MURDER, MAIM & GENETICALLY IMPAIR (DEPLETED URANIUM) INNOCENT CHILDREN BY AN ILLEGAL INVASION & WAR AGAINST THE SOVEREIGN COUNTRY IRAQ ”

    But that wasn’t what they voted for. What they voted for was continuance of their privileged and protected position in society, their perks and pensions, their comfortable life, and the probable entitlement of their children to the same asymmetrical share of the world’s bounty. It is unlikely to have crossed their minds, even momentarily, that their actions might have tragic consequences for others.

    From a purely Machiavellian point of view, they are quite right. Violence to others is abstract and unreal, decently concealed by a civilised and sensitive media. Until the bullets are shattering plaster from their own walls they will remain an unimportant abstraction.

  82. Solomon Adeleye

    27 Jul, 2010 - 4:27 pm

    Proverbs 17:28

    Proverbs 21:23

    Finally Brothers, The Bible Says In

    Proverbs 30:5-6

    “Every Word Of God Is FLAWLESS; He Is A Shield To Those Who Take Refuge In Him. Do Not Add To His Words Or He Will Rebuke You And Prove You A Liar”

    We Should All Behave In A Mature Way,

    We Should Respect Our Beliefs

    We Should Stop Using Abusive Words Especially Against The Pope.

    We Should Agree To Disagree, And Stop Hating Christians

    What I Always Say Is That “Christianity Is A Way Of Life” Its Not Religion”.

    “Christianity” Has Modeled Morality, Respect, Above All “Love” Into My Life.

    I Give Thanks To God For That, I Am Not Here To Convert Anyone.

    If I Am Allowed, I Am Here To Share The Love Of God, And:

    = To Listen To A Great Man Who Courageously Stood Against Injustice, Irrespective Of The Odds Against Him.

    = To Listen To A Great Man Who Single-Handedly Has Done A Lot For Africa, Asking For Nothing In Return.

    Jesus Says “You Will Know A Man By His Fruit”.

    Craig Murray Is That Man! He Is A Man Of Distinction.

    God Bless All

  83. somebody

    27 Jul, 2010 - 5:40 pm

    I see there is a link to ‘Pastor John Hagee’ on the above site. A truly evil man…

    http://solomonadeleye.blogspot.com/2009/06/pastor-john-hagees-scripture-of-week.html

    and mad…

    Hagee strongly and vocally supports an American-Israeli pre-emptive military strike on Iran.[21][22][23]

    See personal beliefs

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

    Jesus would have cast out all the lot of you.

  84. Larry from Seattle

    27 Jul, 2010 - 5:45 pm

    Heh you 911 conspiracy nuts – doesn’t the continuing existence of Wikileaks pretty much refute every single crazy claim you nutjobs have been making for years?

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-14880073.html#

  85. Craig Barker

    27 Jul, 2010 - 6:01 pm

    You am de Zionist trollboi

  86. Larry from Seattle

    27 Jul, 2010 - 6:17 pm

    “You am de Zionist trollboi”

    The responses to my query will not get any better.

  87. Clark

    27 Jul, 2010 - 6:49 pm

    Somebody,

    the Wikipedia article you linked to cites anti-Catholicism from John Hagee, yet Solomon Adeleye says “We Should Respect (all?) Our Beliefs”, “We Should Agree To Disagree”, and “We Should Stop Using Abusive Words Especially Against The Pope”.

    I point this out in support of my earlier assertion that Solomon Adeleye is more confused than evil, and has trusted some charismatic people that are unworthy.

    I suspect that Solomon Adeleye has not seen Israel’s inhumanity clearly. But you, Somebody, should not be surprised at this, as it is often yourself that points out how widespread and pervasive the Israeli propaganda is.

  88. Suhayl Saadi

    27 Jul, 2010 - 6:53 pm

    Ah, so Michael Petek is no longer with us

    And Solomon Adeleye hath come among us!

    Hail to the glorious power of the Logos!

    Hail to the wondrous and glittering range of holy trollery!

    Send in the clowns and the spambots and possibly even the dingbats!

    And may God (and all the Gods and Goddesses and Demons and Sprites and Nymphs, especially the Nymphs) bless you all!

    And let us bless also the Dyson vacuum-cleaner Mark IVa, Model 98630

    Solomon Adeleyo is the reincarnation of St Lawrence de Laputa (post-Crucifixion)

    And Neil (Mod-the-Rod-the-Northern-Soul) Woof-woof Barker

    And the Archangel Mikhail Petek

    And the legions of the Great Cerberus

    And the Hooded Domini Canis

    And know this: that Holy Angel Dust will descendeth ‘pon thee and will maketh thine arm shineth liken e’en unto the Day of the Dome!

    Be real!

    Get mobile ‘phone!

    Be anthropophagy!

    Eat Solomon Adeleyo!

    Weyo Weyo Weyo!

    Now let WE the Chosen-wosen

    Post a thousand word post

    That shall be a spear

    Of Gibber

    And Jabber

    And Nothing whatsoever to do with

    The Spirit or the Matter at hand

    Not even samba

    Or rumba

    Or Mister Nascimento

    Or Misses Pentimento

    Or Christiano Ronaldo

    Or the amazing Amazon anacondas

    But yes we can!

    Sham-the-lamb

    And bam the man!

    And so…

    Curly-wurly

    And verily, merrily, sherrily

    Shall We be saved!

    Aye

    Congratulations, Craig, on having your powerful and groundbreaking book published in Brazil, one of the largest countries on the planet.

  89. Clark

    27 Jul, 2010 - 6:54 pm

    Solomon Adeleye,

    I really do recommend that you read the Wikipedia article about John Hagee that Somebody links to. John Hagee seems very unchristian.

  90. Clark

    27 Jul, 2010 - 7:01 pm

    Suhayl Saadi,

    good to hear from you. Have you heard Brian Eno’s ‘My Life in the Bush of Ghosts’? The powerful rhythms of religious and evangelical language illustrated by setting them within music.

  91. Suhayl Saadi

    27 Jul, 2010 - 7:19 pm

    No, but I’ll most certainly check it out, thanks, Clark.

  92. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    27 Jul, 2010 - 7:21 pm

    Vronsky,

    A valid argument. But the Iraq war was premeditated. That is why I use the term ‘murder’ in my accusations. Premeditated murder of a population weakened by sanctions. The deployments of UK forces to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, along with forces of the United States, were a clear preliminary to war.

    We all possess wisdom and insight to access the moral argument for attacking a nation that has not initiated aggression against us, and could not if it wanted and politicians are trained to debate and question unselfishly for the benefit of our country and the British people they represent. War requires no Parliamentary approval and a debate was held because the legal legitimacy of the Iraq war had been under discussion since 1999. British politicians were given a chance to vote for an amendment that stated ‘the case for war on Iraq had not been established.’ They knew two million British public had marched against the Iraq war.

    The motion voted through by a majority of MPs agreed that the Government “should use all means necessary to ensure the disarmament of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction”

    Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith said at the time, “we could find those biological chemical weapons on our doorstep.”

    Lies.

    Violence and force against others is not abstract and unreal, in terms of the Iraq war and the clear absence of WMD we have witnessed the continuing ‘blood relations’ between science(weapons) and imperialism. The case between experience and abstraction must fall on the side of experience as abstraction assumes zero experience.

    It is from that experience we have learned and know the meaning of death and loss.

    All too often we use euphemisms to describe death and destruction. For example, politicians and the military use the term ‘collateral damage’ because it sounds less offensive or upsetting. Collateral is a high level ‘association’ type abstraction such that when Baghdad was levelled by US cruise missiles “associated with” the physical destruction, an old man who was walking near the targeted building has his head blown off. A woman with a pram carrying her household groceries home from the market suffers internal bleeding and the baby dies from the force of the explosion. A teenage girl disappears altogether. Clearly by describing “collateral damage” this way, we have reduced the abstraction level of the term considerably but not entirely.

    The words ‘man,’ ‘woman,’ ‘baby’ and ‘girl’ are also abstractions. They leave out details and it is those details that are important. They are the human focus that any politician of any standing should see in his mind before making the decision to annihilate by invasion and war.

  93. Clark

    27 Jul, 2010 - 7:32 pm

    Mark Golding,

    thank you for your 7:21 comment, which I find one of the most moving posts of yours that I have seen.

  94. Gianlluca Simi

    27 Jul, 2010 - 7:43 pm

    Diplomacia Suja is the translation for “Dirty Diplomacy”, and not for Murder in Samarkand.

    I’ve just read it in Portuguese. Great book!

  95. Larry from Seattle

    27 Jul, 2010 - 8:00 pm

    “The deployments of UK forces to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, along with forces of the United States, were a clear preliminary to war.”

    When were the forces of the UK and US deployed to Saudi Arabia?

  96. Clark

    27 Jul, 2010 - 10:32 pm

    CRAIG, “COMPOUND” ALERT:

    You asked us to report use of the word “compound” in media reports of military actions in Afghanistan. Front page of today’s Guardian, leading article, 6th paragraph:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/27/afghanistan-war-logs-tensions-strained

  97. dreoilin

    27 Jul, 2010 - 11:07 pm

    Hi everyone, got semi-accidentally semi-deliberately re-involved on the 9/11 thread and popped in here to say hello. Hope all are keeping well!

  98. Suhayl Saadi

    27 Jul, 2010 - 11:50 pm

    I’m gonna lick some ass!

    I can’t kick your ass!

    I wanna dick your ass!

    But I will lick your ass!

    Oooh, oooh, ass-licking!

    It’s finger-lickin’ good!

    I’m a Saadist.

    I never take a bath.

    Are you a Baathist?

    Haath you licked ass?

  99. Craig

    28 Jul, 2010 - 12:00 am

    Wait for the 4.45 pm link tomorrow. It is going to be momentous! Need sleep now.

  100. Anonymous

    28 Jul, 2010 - 12:10 am

  101. Clark

    28 Jul, 2010 - 12:42 am

    Dreoilin,

    it’s really good to hear from you; I’ve missed you, I hope you’ll be commenting again.

  102. Larry from St. Louis

    28 Jul, 2010 - 1:56 am

    So Al-Zawahiri speaks again. Why didn’t he mention that he and his buddies didn’t do 911?

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-message-ayman-zawahiri-threatens-us-attacks/story?id=11262121

  103. Larry from St. Louis

    28 Jul, 2010 - 4:45 am

    Craig Murray, your buddies – Russia Today and Alex Jones – are now pushing HIV denial. That and 911 denial.

    You’re just a disgusting human being.

  104. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jul, 2010 - 8:17 am

    The Tom Gross Link

    Yes Gaza has a small supermarket approved for construction some time back.

    Israel is not stupid and allows its goods to be bought and sold.

    And of course a biased correspondent and so called terrorist expert does not show pictures of Gazans living in poverty in the remains of bombed buildings – Yes Tom Gross, I have some pictures that might balance the lop sided place you call a Middle-East journalistic web-site.

    You are not clever Tom Gross and I despise this one-sided approach.

    You know as I do that a huge backlog of construction and raw materials is needed after a siege and a devastating war ON Gaza.

    Since June 2007, Gaza crossings have been closed to all exports and all imports, bar essential humanitarian goods. While the ban on imports has been partially eased, that on exports, which accounted for a high proportion of Gaza’s manufacturing output, is still in force – Ha! I wonder why.

    “Without a substantial increase in the capacity of the crossings, well beyond what Israel is promising, and without export, there will be no economic recovery,” said Israeli human rights agency, Gisha’s director, Sari Bashi.

    Two companies in Gaza that used to rely 100 per cent on exports are a case in point. The Gaza Juice Factory is now on a two-day week because its embargo-caused reliance on the domestic market has been undermined by the arrival of Israeli juice among other consumer goods now flowing into Gaza.

    But the Aziz factory ?” one of hundreds of clothing manufacturers that have closed down in Gaza ?” which until June 2007 was employing 100 workers making jeans for an Israeli importer has now imported enough fabric for modest production of jeans and T-shirts for the Gaza market with seven rehired employees.

    Good luck to the poor Gazans who are prepared to toil, use ingenuity and bring some happiness into their lives despite being in a “prison” at the mercy of Israel.

  105. somebody

    28 Jul, 2010 - 8:40 am

    Well said Mark. Gross by name and gross by nature!

    Yes the Hasbara generated ‘Gaza shopping mall with escalator’ turned out to be just a shop with two floors and a staircase. There is a video of it much like the phony Regev videos that came out after the flotilla attack.

    Have you seen this dear little chap making his pottery?

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/07/20107237530642173.html

    PS What can Craig’s momentous news be? I hate being kept in suspense.

  106. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jul, 2010 - 8:53 am

    In a long exhausted trick of diplomacy, agent David Cameron condemned the Israelis for prolonging Gaza as a prison. I am not fooled by this statement because my sources suggest that Cameron, a slippery eel, had already informed Israel that his diplomatic leap into Turkey was intended to pressure them into aborting the fissile material swap agreed in the Brazil/Turkey sequester; that ingenious, expedient strategy that anticipated the UN sanctions on Iran much to the embarrassment of the United States and Britain.

    I say to Cameron, inform Israel they must declare their nuclear arsenal, allow IAEA inspections and join the Non-Proliferation Treaty in the same manner as Iran, who ALLOWS multiply HD cameras at all their fissile material production sites and nuclear neutron/gamma monitors that profile characteristic energies to boot.

  107. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jul, 2010 - 8:58 am

    I had not seen that ‘somebody’ – thank-you – what a gem – thanks again – that has brightened my day.

  108. Rob

    28 Jul, 2010 - 9:25 am

    “In a long exhausted trick of diplomacy, agent David Cameron condemned the Israelis for prolonging Gaza as a prison. I am not fooled by this statement because my sources suggest that Cameron, a slippery eel, had already informed Israel that his diplomatic leap into Turkey was intended to pressure them into aborting the fissile material swap agreed in the Brazil/Turkey sequester; that ingenious, expedient strategy that anticipated the UN sanctions on Iran much to the embarrassment of the United States and Britain.”

    Why don’t you just tell us the future Mark since you’re all knowing. Are you actually just saying this because Cameron referring to Gaza as a prison camp goes against your belief that Cameron runs a Zionist-Occupied-Government?

    “I say to Cameron, inform Israel they must declare their nuclear arsenal, allow IAEA inspections and join the Non-Proliferation Treaty”

    Presumably not in that order, though, right? Cameron’s not going to tell Israel to declare their nuclear weapons because Israel’s nuclear weapons aren’t a threat to the UK so what’s the point? And Israel aren’t going to join the NPT because they already have civilian use nuclear energy and there is no benefit to them in joining.

    Iran are part of the NPT because it benefits them to have assistance from other members in producing nuclear fuel. If they didn’t benefit they wouldn’t be a member. This is surely obvious. This also doesn’t mean that they aren’t trying to develop nuclear weapons. This is also obvious.

  109. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jul, 2010 - 10:20 am

    With respect Rob I have never said, ‘Cameron runs a Zionist-Occupied-Government’ they are your words not mine.

    NPT has three pillars of which the main is non-proliferation. Israel wants a ‘nuclear free zone’ in the Middle-East but only after the following conditions have been met:

    All countries in the region to first recognize Israel’s right to exist, sign peace agreements, enter into security arrangements, limit conventional arsenals and also non-conventional weapons – including chemical and biological agents in their arsenals, and their missile delivery systems.

    Israel’s nuclear program, and the international assessment that it possesses an arsenal with dozens, if not hundreds of nuclear weapons, has become a hostage to the NPT conference.

    In an ‘all knowing’ approach you say Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons. This is not obvious to me – I believe and have said on this board that Iran does have the knowledge to make an Nbomb – a virtual bomb, if you like, is as good as a physical one – that is why nuclear scientist Massoud Ali-Mohammadi was murdered and ‘dark actors’ now wait stealthily in the wings in an attempt to crush that knowledge altogether.

    Israel is not a threat to the UK for now – she will however, if America gives the green light, attack Iran and once again we will witness the murders of innocent civilians and children as witnessed in the proxy Iraq war Israel ‘bribed’ Bush into.

    Pre-emption is a modern curse that blew the head off an innocent man in a train, in front of passengers to boot, by police trained to head-shoot in Israel.

    The consequences of which *is* obvious by default.

  110. somebody

    28 Jul, 2010 - 11:32 am

    You are correct about the Met receiving training in Israel in that travesty of a case, the killing in cold blood of John Charles Menezes. Also the involvement of a defective and incompetent pathologist, as found also in Ian Tomlinson’s case and the Barrymore pool death. There is a catalogue of incompetent Home Office pathologists.

    See ‘secret service’ for the Israel connection. http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=21850

    Also in the SW today are three items about the demolition of our beloved NHS.

    Firstly, the funding of the Tories by the private healthcare vultures and then the cost of a Scottish PFI hospital which won’t even end up in state ownership. Then about Lansley’s White Paper.

    How shocking that NuLabour allowed this drip drip privatisation to start and that the Goves and Kluggs are letting in the private slimeballs in such large measure.

    *The £1 billion hospital we won’t own*

    The NHS will pay £1 billion for the privately-built Edinburgh Royal Infirmary?”but not own it

    *Government white paper is a black day for public health service*

    The fight has started against the Tory government’s plans to dismantle the NHS

    *Tories make healthy profits*

    The Conservatives have plenty of pals in the private healthcare industry – that’s plain to see from the list of people who funded the Tory election campaign

    http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/section.php?id=2

  111. Ruth

    28 Jul, 2010 - 12:14 pm

    I don’t see a problem at all in Iran having nuclear power or even nuclear weapons. Iran as far as I know hasn’t shown aggression to any other country.

    However, I believe that countries such as US, UK and Israel, which regular display highly belligerent behaviour, should be stripped of their nuclear arms as soon as possible as they endanger the world.

  112. Jon

    28 Jul, 2010 - 12:45 pm

    Ruth, I agree that Iran is less belligerent than Western powers in terms of the respective track records of aggression. But I think this is more that it is not in a good position to commit overt violence against anyone, rather than because it is genuinely benign. Iran is an easy target for the West to bully, and an attack on it would be in keeping with the infection of aggressive capitalism, but the president is still not to be trusted: he is I think, erratic, homophobic and racist.

    In keeping with the spirit of the NPT, Iran should not be building any nuclear weapons, even though I understand they have been given more than enough reasons to do so. Likewise, other countries should be reducing their arsenals – aggressive countries especially.

    Meanwhile I am also not in favour of nuclear power, so I would rather Iran didn’t build radioactive powerstations either. But the national pride that would be achieved from such a technical achievement is important to many countries, especially ones that are the target of international and financial bullying. I wonder therefore if there would be an advantage in their building a small token one.

    One would hope that the Iranian govt are mindful of the need to develop alternatives to nuclear power for environmental reasons. Doing so could send out the message that countries that stand firm against rampant capitalism are able to do the right thing, as per Venezuala’s approach to mass democratisation and literacy campaigns for the poor, or Cuba’s universal health system.

  113. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jul, 2010 - 1:24 pm

    Well yes Ruth, the irony is just before Iraq’s invasion of Iran in 1980, America decided to resume relations with Iraq. In 1982 it removed Iraq from the list of ‘state sponsors of terrorism. After a couple of years to cloak the explicit linkage, diplomatic relations between America and Iraq were formally restored in 1984 by US emissionary Donald Rumsfeld. Ha!

    The US knew, and a UN team confirmed, that Iraq was using chemical weapons against the Iranian troops. The US blocked condemnation of Iraq’s chemical attacks in the UN Security Council. The US was the sole country to vote against a 1986 Security Council statement condemning Iraq’s use of mustard gas against Iranian troops ?” an atrocity in which it now emerges the US was directly implicated.

  114. Neil Barking Mad

    28 Jul, 2010 - 3:37 pm

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    Posted by: porno filmy at July 28, 2010 2:59 PM

    Ha, you filthy cunt! R U barking mad? Are you a Zionist troll? Do you have a back gate? Do you ever get rattled?

  115. somebody

    28 Jul, 2010 - 6:13 pm

    There is no need to repeat the spam nor to use such bad language. Soon Craig will have to get commenters to register to stop this spam nonsense.

    What happened to Craig’s ‘momentous news’ or was that a fake message?

  116. Ruth

    28 Jul, 2010 - 6:15 pm

    Mark,

    I remember reading somewhere the UK sold mustard gas among other things to Iraq during that period.

  117. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jul, 2010 - 8:08 pm

    somebody,

    Craig is obviously very busy. He has mentioned before he gets a lot of spam that he deletes promptly so perhaps we are seeing more spam than usual until Craig is settled. Like you I hope so.

  118. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jul, 2010 - 8:13 pm

    I didn’t know that Ruth, can you remember where?

  119. Larry from St. Louis

    28 Jul, 2010 - 10:27 pm

    She pulled it out of her butt.

  120. Suhayl Saadi

    28 Jul, 2010 - 10:32 pm

    The message posted at 1150 on July 27 2010 was not written or posted by me. The Bill and Ben, Flowerpot Men are at it again, I suspect.

    Yes, welcome back, dreoilin! Good on you. We missed your posts.

  121. Suhayl Saadi

    28 Jul, 2010 - 10:46 pm

    Any posts that might appear on this blog from now overnight, tonight, which appear to be by me are not genuine. Frankly, these guys aren’t very good at what they do. Bargain basement.

    It seems that there may have been many My Lai massacres in Afghanistan (as there were in Vietnam). No surprise, then. It’s good, though, that Wikileaks has brought this to light.

    Good night, everyone.

  122. Slaughterers R Us

    29 Jul, 2010 - 12:28 am

    It’s interesting to note from the above posts just what disgusting, uncouth and atavistic types these Larry from St Louis and ilk Zionists truly are.

    That’s the point about these evil racists and Nazis. That’s what they’re like. That’s why it’s so easy for them to so routinely slaughter totally innocent Palestinian men, women and children.

    Read the comments on their Zionist blogs and you’ll see the same disgusting things, time and time again.

    But still, Afrikaaner Nazis were up to the same tricks until people power consigned them to their proper place in the dustbin of history.

    So too will go the Zionist Nazis and Israel, probably the worst idea in human history.

  123. Larry from St. Louis

    29 Jul, 2010 - 8:10 am

    Inevitably with you paranoid nuts, it’s all about the Zionists, isn’t it?

  124. dreoilin

    29 Jul, 2010 - 10:27 am

    Hi Clark, Hi Suhayl,

    Thanks for the welcome. I miss the craic here. Despite the troll infestation.

    But I’m up to my non-existent tonsils just now so it’ll be a little while before I can engage. Take care meantime :)

  125. Clark

    29 Jul, 2010 - 11:08 am

    Dreoilin,

    enjoy the craic, and I wish you well with whatever it is that you’re busy with.

    Suhayl,

    Bill and Ben always seemed alright to me, but I never trusted that Andy Pandy character.

    @

    \|/

    \|/

    .| WEEEED!

  126. somebody

    29 Jul, 2010 - 11:22 am

  127. somebody

    29 Jul, 2010 - 11:32 am

    Was it really in black and white? I am sure I remember it in colour.

    The age of innocence?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic53LbOpxC4

  128. Clark

    29 Jul, 2010 - 12:05 pm

    Excellent link to Blix’s missing inquiry, Somebody. Yes, Bill and Ben was originally monochrome. There seem to have been colour episodes later, but we only had a black and white telly. I liked Pogle’s Wood best, with that weird creature Tog.

  129. Craig

    29 Jul, 2010 - 3:33 pm

    I’m a rich tosser but I’ve lived (albeit in ambassadorial residences) in the third world. I know how the poor live. I saw them when we drove past in the Range Rover. So button your lip, dissenters.

  130. Abe Rene

    29 Jul, 2010 - 4:28 pm

    Dreoilin: good to hear from you again.

    Suhayl: what a disgusting verse. A gifted writer like you is worthy of better things. “The Bill and Ben, Flowerpot Men are at it again” – ah, now that’s better, real poetry.

  131. somebody

    29 Jul, 2010 - 4:31 pm

    If you think you’re impressing us, you are not. Are you on your school holidays and going back to big school next September?

  132. Abe Rene

    29 Jul, 2010 - 4:32 pm

    PS. Maybe I should take it back about Bill and Ben, unless of course what they are engaging in is fighting villains and putting the world to rights.

  133. somebody

    29 Jul, 2010 - 5:07 pm

    Abu Rene – my message was to Craig’s impersonator not to you.

  134. Abe Rene

    29 Jul, 2010 - 5:17 pm

    somebody at 5:07 PM – that’s OK, thanks for the clarification. I actually sent my PS. before noticing your message apparently as it was sent while I was writing.

  135. Craig

    29 Jul, 2010 - 8:57 pm

    I have decided not to do the 4.45 pm link any longer. It was, I can now see, rather ambitious.

    There is a time in a man’s life when he has to reflect. That time for me is now. I will not be blogging very much for some time to come.

    Last night came another organised trolling attempt combined with simultaneous attempts by intruders to enter my new premises.

    I have taken appropriate counter measures.

    Zionists beware!

  136. Larry from St. Louis

    29 Jul, 2010 - 9:00 pm

    Oh no Craig, the Jews are REALLY after your now!

  137. Larry from St. Louis

    29 Jul, 2010 - 9:06 pm

    Why doesn’t Obama blow the lid on 911? Why doesn’t Wikileaks blow the lid on 911? Why don’t you 911 nuts finally admit that you’re wrong?

  138. Craig

    29 Jul, 2010 - 9:11 pm

    Larry, if that is your real name, you’re banned.

    Bye bye!

  139. Craig

    29 Jul, 2010 - 9:24 pm

    As I no longer have a job or any public role, I have decided to concentrate my efforts in other directions.

    I have decided to change my blog in some ways, though I remain committed to the oppressed.

    Henceforth, I have decided to focus mainly on my efforts to assist local tradesmen and restaurateurs, by giving them my custom as often as possible.

    I have decided to post, at 4.45 pm each day, a review of the restaurant where I ate the previous day.

    I have decided to post some reviews of plumbers and plasterers also, as I get down to the hard work of running my huse villa!

  140. craig

    29 Jul, 2010 - 9:48 pm

    I have decided to adopt the habit of sometimes signing my posts with an upper case initial, and sometimes with lower case. We Murrays are an eccentric bunch!

  141. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    29 Jul, 2010 - 9:57 pm

    Blair – BP – Black Gold – Straw – WPC Yvonne Fletcher

    America has screwed BP for billions of dollars in the oil spill disaster, so much in fact that this huge British oil company will barely survive, endangering the pension funds and ultimately the pensions of many British retirees.

    The ‘special relationship’ means of course America is fully aware of the web of deceit woven ironically over oil trade deals that made billions of dollars in another place at another way-point along the ragged time-line we call world history.

    The story begins in the 1980′s and Robin Cook was foreign secretary. The West and America were supplying Saddam Hussein with WMD which included all manner of biological and chemicals as pre-cursors to the most terrible disease causing and death inducing agents known to man including their delivery systems. Saddam was also sold uranium ore and the equipment needed to produce weapons quality uranium 235(K1000).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein's_secret_weapons_programme

    The Scott report that detailed the methods and mechanisms of these supplies failed to mention that a plan was agreed to use a nuclear weapon on Iran after its army had been weakened by chemical nerve agents. This meant a progress report from Paul Henderson MD of Maxwell Churchill who supplied the precision components, to MI6 on a regular basis.

    America and Britain saw the war as an opportunity to prevent the spread of Islamism by divide & conquer, Sunni against Shia and the CIA provided Iraq with intelligence for bombing raids and nerve gas assaults; Saddam saw the opportunity to control the Shatt al-Arab waterway and land gains.

    The fiece distraction of this war gave Israel the opportunity to invade Lebanon in 1982 and that war made Hussein withdraw his forces from Iran. Iran refused a ceasefire and help to Lebanon, instead invading Iraq in a counter-offensive doomed by lack of experienced soldiers. It relied on supplies from Libya and China to fight a well equipped Iraq military.

    The shooting down of an Iranian passenger airliner by a US ship in Iranian waters killing all 290 civilians, including many children, lead Khomeini to end the conflict fearing an escalation from the United States and many more Iranian casualties.

    Iran accepted a UN resolution for peace while the CIA promoted the MEK/MKO attempts to destroy the Iranian government.

    With this back-drop in place certain events now can be seen clearly without a mist of deception. The attempts to annihilate Iran by proxy while disregarding UN resolutions had become sensitive and counter-productive to halting her scientific progress and indeed other American interests.

    Libya and the ‘mad-man’ Gaddafi had caused tensions which reached a peak under Reagan and already bans were in place against this terrorist. Europe needed to be bought into line, reluctant to forego lucrative deals, it needed an ‘event’ especially after Gaddafi’s support for Iran and Palestine. A young British policewoman would be murdered trying to control an anti-Gaddafi rally, while Gaddafi was pressured by the prospect of the US war machine crushing his assets and reducing him to the same fate as Saddam now regarded as a failure to American interest. He would be stripped of his WMD and ‘told’ to comply, renouncing terrorism and his support for Islamic progression.

    With Libya subdued and about to be framed, America would turn its eyes towards Saddam and Iraq.

    Strangely like the ‘dodgy dossier’ the revelations of the Scott report had embarassed America despite a laboured secrecy by the Conservative government (Sir Robin Butler [later Lord Butler] had done his best to keep details under wraps while Robin Cooks supreme intellect nearly won the day. Robin would now be commanded to negotiate with the weakened Gaddafi to hand over Megrahi and Fhimah for trial in the high court of Justiciary at Camp Zeist (pixunlimited.co.uk/guardian/pdf/0131lockerbieverdict.pdf) while Anthony Layden, Britain’s ambassador to Libya would ensure the dismantling of her nuclear weapons programme and clear a path for oil deals worth 13 billion, while Robin Cook was booted out to make way for the evil man of Straw.

    A crippled and wretched Iran would not be blamed for supporting Palestinian resistance groups, including Captain Ahmed Jabril’s Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine which they funded, according to MOSSAD. America knew that a passage of time was needed to consolidate the mist of the Iran/Iraq war and ensure the demise of Saddam Hussein, an Arab leader who stood up to the West.

    America knew Libya was a convenient scapegoat for Iran’s revenge and Jabril’s crime. Evidence was fabricated, exculpatory evidence suppressed, witnesses suborned. Megrahi spent years behind bars for a crime he didn’t commit.

    Later Blair would become a consultant for Libyan oil contracts and Minmar, who insured the fuselage of flight 103 received $85million plus interest, while the remainder went to the trustee for Pan American Airlines that went into bankruptcy in 1991…

  142. Larry from St. Louis

    29 Jul, 2010 - 10:17 pm

    “America has screwed BP for billions of dollars in the oil spill disaster, so much in fact that this huge British oil company will barely survive, endangering the pension funds and ultimately the pensions of many British retirees.”

    Mark Golding, you don’t think BP might have screwed themselves? Maybe just a little?

    BTW 911 was not an inside job, moron.

  143. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    29 Jul, 2010 - 11:17 pm

    Larry,

    A little,

    What causes most blow-outs? Halliburdon did the cementing. They screwed everyone in Iraq including your own soldiers dood.

    BTW I have never said anything about an inside job dood – just 4knowledge cretin

  144. somebody

    29 Jul, 2010 - 11:17 pm

    Blair, Arnault, LVMH and Sephora

    Human Rights

    Blair’s undisclosed business dealings conflict with Quartet role

    Adri Nieuwhof, The Electronic Intifada, 29 July 2010

    Tony Blair’s term as envoy of the Quartet (US, UK, Russia, UN) has been marked by many photo opportunities but few, if any, accomplishments. Indeed, research shows that Blair’s relationship with one of the world’s richest men poses a clear and significant conflict of interest with his duties as Quartet envoy.

    Blair is close friends with Bernard Arnault, the chairman of the luxury goods conglomerate Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy Group (LVMH), and has refused to publicly disclose whether or not he accepted a paid post as adviser to Arnault, as reported in the media. LVMH has been implicated in benefiting from Israel’s occupation through its subsidiary, the cosmetics retail chain Sephora.

    At the end of May, the French-based Coordination des Appels pour une Paix Juste au Proche Orient (CAPJPO) (Coordinated Appeals for a Just Peace in the Middle East) launched legal action against Sephora because of its retailing of products made with stolen Palestinian natural resources in illegal Israeli settlements.

    CAPJPO claims that Sephora has maintained an illegal contract with the Israeli cosmetics company Ahava whose products are made in illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank. The Israeli settlements Mitzpe Shalem and Kaliya co-founded Ahava Dead Sea Laboratories and own 44 percent of the company. In addition, Ahava manufactures its cosmetics in a factory in the Mitzpe Shalem settlement and operates an information center for tourists there.

    The mud used in Ahava products is expropriated without Palestinian permission from a site near Kaliya, along the shores of the Dead Sea within the occupied West Bank. However, Ahava labels its skin care products as originating from “The Dead Sea, Israel.”

    In July 2004, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) reaffirmed the illegality of Israeli settlement construction in the occupied West Bank. Relying on the ICJ ruling, CAPJPO argues in its complaint that Sephora is supporting Israel’s violations of international law by retailing Ahava products.

    Blair’s friendship with Arnault, LVMH’s chairman, dates to his time as UK Prime Minister. Arnault is one of the richest men in France, with an estimated net worth of more than $27.5 billion. Blair’s three eldest children studied in France while he was prime minister, and often stayed at Arnault’s mansion in Paris. Indeed, the Daily Mail reported in February 2007 that Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament Norman Lamb warned Blair “It is very dangerous to take hospitality from very wealthy individuals who may be seeking to wield influence” (“Cheri’s pride graduate girl”). Blair’s friendship with Arnault continued after he stepped down as premier and accepted the position as Quartet envoy.

    In January, the Daily Telegraph revealed that Blair was to be appointed as Arnault’s personal advisor. Although the announcement was repeated by Agence France Press, neither Blair nor LVMH have officially confirmed or denied the appointment. When asked for clarification in a written request from The Electronic Intifada, the office of Tony Blair remained silent. The lack of transparency on Blair’s position stands in stark contrast to his portfolio as Quartet envoy which tasks him with teaching Palestinians how to build up transparent government institutions.

    Blair also serves as a consultant to companies and countries on the principles of good governance. In a 28 June address to the Institute for Government on the importance of governance in the modern world, Blair reflected on ten lessons he had learned during his time as prime minister. His first lesson was that “Governance is not a debate as sometimes people think of it, as a debate about transparency or accountability. It is a debate about effectiveness and efficiency” (Institute for Government).

    Blair’s lack of transparency on his dealings with LVMH appears to be typical of how he operates, with an almost indistinguishable line between his public duties as Quartet envoy and his private profit.

    Richard Murphy, an accountant from Tax Research UK, explained to the UK’s Guardian how Blair can keep his wealth a secret. By setting up a complicated structure of 12 different entities Blair has been able to take advantage of obscure loopholes in UK regulations to side-step rules that normally require the publication of accounts.

    The complicated legal structures that enable Blair to to keep his finances secret are “simply an administrative vehicle established in order to allow Mr. Blair’s office sensibly to administer his different projects,” Blair’s spokesman told the Guardian (“Mystery of Tony Blair’s money solved,” 17 December 2009).

    Transparency has also been a difficult goal for LVMH to achieve. In 2004, the company tried to avoid the bad publicity that its Louis Vuitton division collaborated with the Nazis during the German occupation of France. While writing about the history of Louis Vuitton in honor of its 150th anniversary, author Stephanie Bonvinci requested the company’s war-time documents. She was told that the company documents for the period 1930-1945 were destroyed in a fire.

    Undeterred, Bonvinci researched historical archives and talked to surviving family members. She eventually exposed the links of Louis Vuitton with the Vichy regime, led by Marshal Phillipe Petain, that ruled France during the Second World War and openly collaborated with the Nazi occupation. LVMH did not contest the contents of Bonvinci’s book.

    Given LVMH’s lack of openness about its wartime history, it is ironic that Blair would have no qualms about working for the company. As Prime Minister Blair’s government instituted the first annual Holocaust Memorial Day in the UK in 2000, something he justified by stating: “I am determined to ensure that the horrendous crimes against humanity committed during the Holocaust are never forgotten” (“Plan for Holocaust Memorial Day,” Press Association, 18 October 1999).

    Tony Blair’s political and business roles pose a serious conflict of interest. As the Quartet’s envoy to the Middle East he is no doubt familiar with the 2004 ICJ ruling and the plethora of UN security resolutions pertaining to the occupied Palestinian territories. He also knows that Ahava’s factory and tourist center are built in violation of international law. And yet he refuses to disclose whether or not he has a paid role as advisor to the chairman of a company in business with Israel’s occupation.

    Adri Nieuwhof is a consultant and human rights advocate based in Switzerland.

    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11424.shtml

    a

    The French police are investigating Eic Woerth, a Sarkozeeeeeee minister and his connection to donations to Sarkozeeeeee from the L’Oreal heiress.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gKkw-PWNTXXI59xoyhWXuhdw6LygD9H8QU2G2

    Look at Bettencourt’s Wikipedia page for further connections.

  145. Hatari

    29 Jul, 2010 - 11:27 pm

    Mark

    USA screwing BP may have come as shock to the British public as they though they were the favored child. Obviously that was the impression Blair the poodle gave for his subservience and sycophancy to the US.

    The treatment meted out to BP is the favored method used by US to strangle companies in the same way as they apply to sanctions on countries. There is an excellent post on the subject this week by Dr Mahatir on his blog

    http://chedet.co.cc/chedetblog/2010/07/the-free-market.html#more

  146. Larry from St. Louis

    29 Jul, 2010 - 11:38 pm

    “What causes most blow-outs? Halliburdon did the cementing.”

    Hahahahahahahahahaahha!

    It must have been Halliburton!

    Hahahahahahhahahahah!

    It was a conspiracy to destroy BP!

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

  147. Anonymous

    29 Jul, 2010 - 11:47 pm

    The Larry Shift is active again nothing to intelligent or coherent to say. They get all the respect of a skunk, just can get the staff these days.

  148. Larry from St. Louis

    30 Jul, 2010 - 1:37 am

    Do the “911 inside job” idiots at this site actually think that Halliburton sabotaged DWH?

  149. Clark

    30 Jul, 2010 - 2:09 am

    Mark,

    Somebody,

    interesting posts.

    Was it Halliburton’s cementing that blew, and if so, how come all the fall-out is on BP?

  150. Stuart

    30 Jul, 2010 - 9:04 am

    Craig is not posting at the moment as he dosnt have broadband electricity or plumbing at the moment. Please ignore any comments made by idiots pretending to be Craig. I am sure you were not taken in by them. Craig will update shortly when the house gets electricity, plumbing, telephone again. In the meantime carry on without him.

  151. somebody

    30 Jul, 2010 - 12:13 pm

    This really amused me on medialens this morning

    Too good to miss

    Posted by Badger on July 30, 2010, 10:30 am

    From comments on the Guardian story about Gove’s lies concerning the number of schools wanting to be academies:

    ‘Goving’: the practise of making supposedly factually-based assertions, but without actual reference to the facts at hand.

    ‘Goverup’: the technique of revising previous inaccurate statements, by suggesting the initial ‘factual’ information has been misconstrued or misreported.

    ‘Government’: Any administration containing a useless imbecile with delusions of adequacy.

  152. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 1:41 pm

    Abe Rene, at 4:29pm on July 29th 2010:

    Abe, you didn’t really think that was me, did you? As I wrote subsequently, the post made at 11:50pm on July 27th 2010 was NOT written or posted by me.

    The one at 6:23pm, eralier the same evening was written by me, but although mischievous and possibly lightly scurrilous (at the expense of the bargain basement troll-team who seem to derive jouissance from impersonating Craig and occasionally me, and possibly also at that of someone who links to a somewhat Messianic website), I don’t think one could describe it as “disgusting”. Whereas the fake post most certainly is disgusting, I entirely agree.

    Just thought I’d make this clear.

    The current troll team – Neil Barker, Ben Newsam and Craig Oldfield – are attempting to disrupt the site by such childish impersonations. I think there are probably also an assortment of ‘Larrys’ as well, doing the same thing, some ‘original’ trolls, others, ‘trolls-upon-trolls’. A witty and intelligent person passed on this vignette to some a couple of months ago: In the end, in East Germany, there were so many spies, one spy would not know who the other spies were and so most of the information the Stasi got consisted of spies reporting on one another’s activities.

    Thanks again for your always thoughtful comments. Best wishes.

  153. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 1:43 pm

    By “someone”, of course, I meant Mr Solomon Adeleye, not ‘the blogger called ‘somebody’!

  154. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    30 Jul, 2010 - 2:05 pm

    Hatari,

    An excellent link that unveils the stark reality of American manipulation and regulation of the markets.

    Clark reminded us recently, the money changers have moved from the temple market place behind closed doors. Gold standard is becoming de rigeur as trillions of now worthless dollars have been burnt and destroyed in the mechanisms of war and death. Friendship destroyed by greed. The good families of America and Britain are left turning inwards to protect their own needs while future generations scramble to retain what they can now in a vision of a world left with limited resources, deception and cut-throat monopolies.

  155. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    30 Jul, 2010 - 3:05 pm

    somebody,

    Nice piece, interesting and well researched – thank-you.

    I opened Milton Keynes very first Internet Cafe in 1996 and many hours burning the mid-night oil has instilled in me the reality that via message boards, blogs, alternate news, obscure ‘deep web’ sites and other surprising web-places, one can find truth from those behind the sources of power and manipulation.

    The ‘errand boys’ as I call them, despite regular security sweeps of the web manage to reveal the inside track, the ‘top secret’ the ‘real deal’ and the sinister, such as the genetic manipulation of deadly viruses as one example in hundreds. Revealed in answers to questions, articles, comments and stories the truth can most times be pieced together. Like the ‘old lady’ peering through a crack in the curtains, every event has a witness in one form or another. The web therefore is our salvation, our realisation that nothing is what it seems at first glance. This exposure of evil deception, means that we must forever ensure the Web’s open survival despite serious attempts (Wikileaks) to control and redact.

  156. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    30 Jul, 2010 - 3:48 pm

    There is nothing of consequence in the opague, boring memoirs of George W. Bush’s former political strategist, Karl Rove. All I read was the lie that he did not expose CIA operative, Valerie Plame and his support for torture.

    The book like the man is plainly empty, uncandid, unthoughtful and sleep-inducing.

    Karl Rove is man of war, a yesterday, condemned only to whine and winge about lack of support for the ‘righteous’ attempt to bring western democracy to Afghanistan and cleanse it of mythical al-Qaeda terrorists hell bent on the destruction of the West.

    You are a fraud Rove and a murderer; I’ll say that to your face.

  157. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    30 Jul, 2010 - 3:51 pm

  158. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 4:02 pm

    Mark, that’s fascinating, as often is the case with your posts. What do you mean by ‘deep web’ sites? Are there different levels of the internet? I mean, beyond the password-protected, intranet sites that are legion.

    I sometimes come across material which then, a few days or weeks later, seems impossible find again. This used to happen in the late 1990s when I began to explore the web.

    Does it still occur – even more so now, perhaps? I’m not a particularly expert cybernaut!

  159. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 4:05 pm

    Furthermore, are you saying that Wikileaks is a ‘gatekeeping’, coralling exercise of information control, or do you mean that the attempt to muzzle Wikileaks is an illustration of the forces that would wihs to exert such control?

  160. Clark

    30 Jul, 2010 - 4:35 pm

    Suhayl Saadi,

    (1) I regard Wikileaks as a true whistle-blower’s tool.

    (2) If you find interesting stuff, save a copy against its possible disappearance.

    (3) Here is a Guardian article about the ‘Deep Web’:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/26/dark-side-internet-freenet

  161. somebody

    30 Jul, 2010 - 4:47 pm

    All interesting posts today. Thanks.

    and sorry Abe Rene for calling you Abu Rene again. I really don’t know why I do that. Not meant to be insulting. Just something to do with the name of Abu Ghraib which has obviously stuck in my subconscious.

  162. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 5:05 pm

    I have just received a threatening email.

    To the anonymous sender: you are bargain basement. You can’t disrupt me or Craig’s magnificent bog.

    And it will be clear to all our genuine posters that “my” last post was not mine.

  163. Abe Rene

    30 Jul, 2010 - 5:17 pm

    Suhayl: thanks for the clarification. I should have read the message with your disclaimer more carefully – my apologies.

    Somebody at 4.47 pm – that’s OK, actually, being shortsighted I hadn’t noticed it this time. One advantage of myopia maybe.

  164. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 6:19 pm

    My pleasure, Abe. Thanks, Clark, will do.

  165. Larry from St. Louis

    30 Jul, 2010 - 6:43 pm

    So why hasn’t Wikileaks exposed the 911 conspiracy that you nutjobs believe in?

  166. Ruth

    30 Jul, 2010 - 7:25 pm

    Governments have a major problem with whistleblowers and their ability to release a lot of information fast on the internet. Governments also need sensitive information from their enemies. If I were such a government, I’d set up a facilty to draw the whistleblowers and leakers in so that I could filter their information.

    Icelandic MPs and Wikileaks propose to turn Iceland into a ‘journalism haven’.

    I’ve found it exceedingly odd that WikiLeaks sent information to three mainstream papers giving the papers time to choose what they wanted published which has resulted in ‘Pakistan and Iran being politically damaged’ and Al Qaeda being given further substance ‘while the Obama administration has a new pretext to escalate and intensify its continuing resource war’(taken from Larry Chin’s article ‘The political spinning of the WikiLeaks expose: Antiwar whistle-blowing or war propaganda?’ at

    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_6171.shtml)

  167. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 8:12 pm

    Ruth, that’s an excellent article, thanks for posting the link. Yes, I’d noticed that mainstream journalist stooges had begun to sing from the same hymn-sheet in relation to Pakistan. Of course, they’ve been harmonising about Iran for some years now.

    Who’s doing the terrorist bombings in Pakistani cities? Who’s instigating terrorist bombings in Iranian cities?

    Is also goes to the heart of my persistent question over a number of years, namely, who is funding and supplying the Taliban?

    Are they a vehicle for maintaining the region in a state of perpetual destabilisation and an excuse for US forces to remain in the area and indeed to expand their remit? A question to which I think Mark replied a little while ago.

    Yes, as the writer of the piece says, the Pakistani ISI has always been a subdivision of the CIA. During the 1980s, the CIA was crawling all over Pakistan and the Northwest Frontier Provinces, directing everything. People in Pakistan over the past two years have said that “the Americans are back in full force”, in the cities, in corporate entities, in civil society, in everything.

    Inexorably, one is compelled to accede that the answer to the question of who is funding and supplying the Taliban seems to be: The USA.

  168. Clark

    30 Jul, 2010 - 8:35 pm

    So, the ‘Deep State’ appears to be global. Secrecy itself is the problem. What did we expect? If you create dark corners, or permit them to remain unlit, Power moves in and makes full use. The paradigm of ‘state vs. state’ is outdated.

  169. Abe Rene

    30 Jul, 2010 - 8:52 pm

    (Warning: the following is a joke).

    Let’s consider the possible origins for ISI:

    1. A CIA plot.

    2. A Communist plot.

    3. An Israeli plot.

    4. A Masonic plot.

    5. A Catholic plot.

    6. A feminist plot.

    7. An Al-Qaeda plot.

    8. A Sufi plot.

    9. An arm of the Pakistani government.

    Some of these are contradictory; 1. won’t go with 2., 4. won’t go with 5., and any of 3. and 6. and 8. with 7.

    The opposites, being equally believable if one is credulous enough, cancel each other out, leaving 9. So the ISI is simply an arm of the Pakistani government. Q.E.D.

  170. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 8:56 pm

    Yes, that’s right, Clark. The parallel with the ‘deep web’ – great article, btw, thanks for sharing it – is intriguing. How does one become a deep web cybernaut? Perhaps, if one were to enter a virtual bathyscaphe, follow it down to its very own Marianas Trench, one might find that in the deepest part of the web, early Fortran has mutated into a mathematical monster that sleeps under a silicon mountain waiting to be awoken by the Doomsday trumpet…

  171. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 8:59 pm

    It’s much more than that, Abe. The USA could have crushed it long ago if it had been that simple and if they’d wanted to. The ISI would not be able to supply the Taliban with the amounts of weaponry required a superpower alliance with access to the most advanced technologies in history. The ISI acts to a large extent independently of the Pakistani government and even of the Pakistani Army. It is the agency of the USA within the Pakistani state. That is why Pakistan remains a colony.

  172. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 9:00 pm

    “required to fight” that should read.

  173. Hood

    30 Jul, 2010 - 9:09 pm

    Secret Quilliam Memo to government.

    More begging for tax payers hard earned money:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/34834977/Secret-Quilliam-Memo-to-government

  174. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    30 Jul, 2010 - 9:25 pm

    Ruth,

    Interestingly in my download of the Wikileaks database was this record:

    wardiary.wikileaks.org/afg/event/2006/11/AFG20061105n433.html

    All part of the interesting psychological warfare perfected in Iraq and now applied to Afghanistan.

    Here is an insight into this great game by veteran psyops Sergeant Major Friedman. Remember the falling statue of Saddam – a psyops operation that was rehearsed and directed like a FILM SET all to deceive and subvert.

    http://www.psywarrior.com/Herbafghan02.html

    Germany calling..Germany calling..this is not a drill..

  175. Abe Rene

    30 Jul, 2010 - 9:34 pm

    Suhayl: I can believe that the Pakistani government does not have complete control of ISI, but not because it is an American tool. My own view is that it has people sympathetic to the Taleban within, both because of religion and because of Pashtun tribal interests connected with the hydrocarbon resources of the region. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mumbai terrorists got some help from that quarter.

  176. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 9:47 pm

    It’s interesting, but everyone I ask seems to have different depiction of the ISI, from unified and very dark military intelligence organ to International Rent-An-Assassin to fragmented, factional entity with factions pro-US, pro-Taliban, pro-Money (well, I guess they’re all pro-Money), pro-drugs, pro-Army, pro-whatever, all vying for dominance. It seems to depend on whom one asks. I mean, I don’t know anyone in it or even remotely linked to it – not that I know of, anyway. Does anyone know? Or is it like the deep web? Is there, then, no ninth layer, no finity to the darkness of this earthly Hell?

  177. Clark

    30 Jul, 2010 - 10:44 pm

    Mark,

    thanks for the psyops link. Weird stuff, and all a bit sad and desperate. They keep offering 25 million dollars, but get no takers, it seems, so they change tack a bit:

    “Get wealth and power beyond your dreams ?” help the anti-Taliban force to rid Afghanistan of murderers and terrorists”.

    Text on the back is:

    “You can receive millions of dollars for helping the anti-Taliban force catch al-Qaida and Taliban murderers. This is enough money to take care of your family, your village, your tribe for the rest of your life ?” pay for livestock and doctors and school books and housing for all your people”.

    ______

    Yes, I’ll never forget the pulling down of Saddam’s statue. I was in a hospital in Hull, watching on one of those rip-off ‘Patientline’ TVs, visiting my friend Martyn, who died of cancer shortly afterwards.

    The words didn’t match the pictures. The commentary kept on about the thronging, spontaneous and ecstatic crowds, “ordinary Iraqis celebrating their freedom”, but the crowd was rather thin, subdued, and predominantly (entirely?) male, and there were lots of soldiers about.

  178. Clark

    30 Jul, 2010 - 11:11 pm

    Ruth at 7:25 PM,

    I still trust Wikileaks. What were the alternatives? Wikileaks could just publish on the ‘net, but it wouldn’t get as much coverage. Giving it to the papers forces the papers to do something, and makes it impossible to marginalise.

    I guess that the three weeks grace was negotiated; the papers got to filter the material so they could cover themselves and thus avoid accusations of irresponsibility and possible government legal action. They each agreed not to ‘scoop’ the others by publishing before the agreed date.

    But this IS the corporate media, they (generally) approve and encourage (or at least legitimise) war, so it’s no surprise that they chose to highlight Pakistani and Iranian wrongdoing.

    But Wikileaks did right, I think. Those papers will have to publish anti-NATO/US stuff too, or their bias will be obvious as independent researchers start trawling through the data.

  179. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    30 Jul, 2010 - 11:34 pm

    Clark,

    Sorry for your loss of a friend – but I know you will hold great memories of him.

    Hood,

    I reminded myself of Quilliam and Craig’s thoughts by doing the following site search:

    quilliam:craigmurray.org.uk

    a useful search script that can be used to jog a dimming memory. The results are indeed a stark reminder of this ‘spooky’ group that are in fact putting pressure on the present coalition government into ‘modifying’ the useless ‘Prevent’ program conceived by the Blair government and now pursued by the Quilliam Foundation after the launch of ‘Contest 2′ an update to the government’s counter-terrorist strategy.

    A number of links are relevant and I present them here for any kind person to commit to an analysis in detail on the state of violent extremism in Britain.

    We learned from our own security services, the Iraq and now Afghanistan ‘wars’ have increased the threat of terrorism and in fact, the SIS are now monitoring 3000 possible ignition activities. In reality I believe, this paranoid thinking relates only to the anger in varying degrees of knowing that wedding parties, children, women and innocent bystanders are being murdered to fuel a need for myopic glory and false honour, resources, strategy, dominance, hegemony and imperialistic greed.

    telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/4638987/growing-number-of-british-men-joining-islamic-radicals-in-somalia.html

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7215081.stm

    timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6295795.ece

    conservatives.com/news/speeches/2008/03/daivid_cameron_speech_to_the_community_security_trust.aspx

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4179698.stm

    prevent contest 2

    muslim brotherhood; amaat-e-islami

    anas al-tikriti

    http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/prevent.pdf

    publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmhansrd/cm090318/text/90318w0009.htm

    centres.exeter.ac.uk/emrc/board.php

    bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=205496

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4206800.stm

    guardian.co.uk/2008/jul/25/uksecurity.terrorism

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4689556.stm

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8139076.stm

    news.stv.tv/scotland/175518-labour-holds-glasgow-central

    aivd.nl/aspx/download.aspx?file=/contents/pages/90126/theradicaldawaintransition.pdf

    tna.europarchive.org/20100419081706/http//security.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/our-structure/about-ricu/

    guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/05/list-of-people-banned-from-uk

    conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2010/05/ten-tips-for-the-new-government-on-integration-cohesion-relations-with-islam-and-prevent.html

    timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7140235.ece

  180. Suhayl Saadi

    30 Jul, 2010 - 11:42 pm

    Clark, there’s no fool like an old fool and there are nuggets at the bottom of the sweet jar in the nursery. No more posts tonight from me!

  181. Polo

    31 Jul, 2010 - 1:16 am

    @Clark

    You have made the case for the embargoed release to the papers, even if they are MSM, very well.

    Always need to remember that Wikileaks have released the, slightly edited, raw data as well.

  182. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 9:18 am

    I see the trolls have tumbled to inserting a link with my signature to obscure the difference b/w real and fake – gosh, what brilliance, what genius, I am in awe…

    So, 11:42pm on 31.7.10 was not me. It is interesting that they seem to have decided to focus on individuals in order to isolate and marginalise and to disrupt the blog; I’m very pleased it is not working. Thank you, Mark, Clark, Polo for your great posts and the links. Keep on!

  183. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 9:40 am

    Mark, what do you think the end-game is here wrt Central Asia? Is it control of resources and the encirclement of China and Russia? Is it pulling the region into a state of perpetual war to stymie India and Chin’a economic development. Or is the flailings of a decaying imperium? Rome-on-the-Oxus, circa 2020?

  184. Vronsky

    31 Jul, 2010 - 10:16 am

    “I sometimes come across material which then, a few days or weeks later, seems impossible find again.”

    I think I’ve mentioned this before – if you use Firefox, there is an add-on called Zotero. This is a research tool which can take a snapshot of a web page and automatically extract and store author, date, citation string etc. where the format permits. You can add your own freehand notes and tags. It has a folder structure, and the folders can also contain other (non-web) documents. HTH.

    http://www.zotero.org/

  185. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 10:20 am

    Thanks, Vronsky, will use this, much appreciated.

  186. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    31 Jul, 2010 - 12:34 pm

    In loving memory of Kieran McCormack taken from us suddenly one year ago today age 36 by a u-turning car whilst riding his motor-bike to work.

    http://www.coia.org.uk/kieran_mccormack.jpg

  187. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 2:14 pm

    Mark, I’m very sorry for your loss.

  188. MJ

    31 Jul, 2010 - 2:47 pm

    I find this fascinating: if you go to the Wikileaks page with all the Afghan material (http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010), a new file has appeared for download at the bottom of the list called ‘insurance file’. It’s 1.4 GB. It’s encrypted. These may be the crown jewels.

  189. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 3:20 pm

    The 9:18 AM post was not mine.

  190. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 3:21 pm

    MJ, thanks, will check it out. We need someone with silicon knowledge to unravel it. Clark…?

  191. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 3:23 pm

    The 9:18 am post was very much mine. Scram.

  192. Abe Rene

    31 Jul, 2010 - 3:28 pm

    “Suhayl” at 3.20 pm: Oh, yes it was. Folks, just place the point of the arrow of the mouse over his name and the URL of Suhayl’s website “www.josephsbox.co.uk” should appear in the bottom edge of the window on the left hand side, if it’s the real McCoy – Saadi, that is. That does not happen with the faker of 3.20 pm.

  193. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 3:32 pm

    Thanks, Abe, thanks for your support on this. Of course, they’ll get onto that one soon, though it’s taken them some time, a reflection perhaps (though I don’t want to sound like Alfred) of the Neanderthal component in modern humanity’s genetic make-up. If you check over on the ‘trolls’ thread, you’ll find some of these trolls’ e-mail addresses via the links I’ve posted to other chat-sites. I’m keen that they not take-up room on other therads (than the one devoted to discussions about all-matters-troll). Thanks again, Abe.

  194. glenn

    31 Jul, 2010 - 4:01 pm

    Suhayl: I’d noticed that too some time back, and thought better than to comment on it.

  195. Clark

    31 Jul, 2010 - 4:25 pm

    Suhayl,

    these people signing as you – they are less of a problem than I expect they would like. They can only appear to be you if they say basically nothing. As soon as they include any content, they give themselves away. Of course, if they perfect their imitation, they’ll just save you some typing! Hopefully they’ll get bored soon.

  196. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 4:50 pm

    Thanks, Glenn, Clark.

  197. Clark

    31 Jul, 2010 - 9:09 pm

    Suhayl,

    I forgot to answer your earlier post; decryption is not one of my skills. It is one of Wikileaks’, so if they’ve left it encrypted they have a good reason.

    Possibly it’s to stop the unscrupulous from claiming different contents in the War Diary leak than actually exist. So say government X claim to have found Y in the data. Y is fabricated or would be irresponsible to release. X point the finger at Wikileaks to discredit them. Wikileaks say “What we actually released is in the encrypted ‘Insurance’ file, which has proliferated across the ‘net. Retract your accusation, or would you rather we released the decryption key?”

    I’m just guessing, of course.

  198. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 9:56 pm

    Thank you again, Clark.

  199. Joaquim Prado

    31 Jul, 2010 - 10:02 pm

    I’ve just finished reading “Diplomacia Suja” and would like to post a brief comment on it.

    First of all Craig’s nice style of living, frankness and a way slightly careless reminds me a Brazilian or perhaps some Latin fellow, which is quite interesting indeed.

    Thanks to him I’ve learnt a lot about Usbekistan and particularly about the rotten USA foreign policy there. (By the way, today the newspapers put the focus in the USA and its terrible actions in Afghanistan ).

    Diplomacia Suja is an excellent book and I send Craig my best congratulations and wishes of good luck.

    Prof Joaquim Prado Moraes-Filho,MD

    Gastroenterology Dpt – Univ S

  200. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 10:04 pm

    He had been dusting for nearly half-an-hour but it felt like his whole life. The shop was becoming unbearably warm. Its lemon walls were beginning to crowd in on him, so that he felt soon he would be crushed beneath their dull, yellow weight. The air was stifling, dead and yet he seemed to need great gulps of it. He felt that he would begin to expand like an overfed goldfish and would burst through the shelves, the plaster, the broken clock. He forced his right hand to continue wiping dust off the mica counter while with his left, he adjusted the knot of his bandanna. Somewhere at his back, his parents busied themselves as they always had, all their lives. Busy, busy, busy.

    The sounds of running and shouting shifted from the street in through the open doorway, disturbing the suffocating rhythm of the morning. Plastic on tarmac. Spittle. The big sky. Sal recognised the voices, and his heart leapt, then felt empty. As the lads ran past the burning glass, Salman Ishaq allowed the duster to fall from his hand. He watched it cut a delicate, slightly imperfect trajectory through the methi air and then ran out of his father’s shop to shrieks of

    ‘Haraam zaada! Five minutes work, and he’s done? Hud haraam. Useless bastard!’

    They did not beckon, entreat or threaten him to come back; he knew this was because they would not expect him to have listened. He knew, as the sun’s heat embraced his ears, burning out the fading, effervescent cries of home that during the succeeding minutes, hours, years his father would accuse his mother of having brought defective genes into the family, and his mother would retort to her majaz-i-Khuda, the life of her heart, that it would not have been possible to pollute the blood of his people, since their blood had already been dirtier than a Muzaffarabad cesspool. Love among the peasants was like that, mused Salman Ishaq (or ‘Sal’, as he was known outside of his home and his hundred-strong brathery, though his parents and all of the aunties remained in total ignorance – blissful, perhaps – of this almost Roman and hence porcine nickname). He slackened his stride, allowing his long, Reebok’d legs to spring up and down on the quivering asphalt. White on black. Sal was fair-skinned, almost white – in any other country except Caledonia he would’ve been white, say Italy for example, or Espana or Portugal, or Greece or? he cursed his luck for ending up in this country of wallpaper-blond people. He cursed his parents. Fuckin ignorant peasants. Knew how to milk a coo and shit in the fields (and, he admitted begrudgingly, how tae run a Carry-out Off-licence), but when it came to knowin where they were at, he chuckled with a thoroughly blond glee, they didnae have a clue, no a fuckin clue. The group of lads he was following were also running, though not as fast and so he was able tae cover the ground rapidly and would soon be up with them. After aw, that wis why he had dropped his duster in the first place (an in several other places, too) symbol as it wis ae servitude fuck, he wisnae hovin that, his fellow-gang members seein him mop a fuckin flaer. No way. In the distance, their bandannas darted up and down, dun specks amid the gleaming bodies of cars. They were weaving in and out, darting between the moving vehicles, making them stop altogether at times, and then they’d be up onto the pavement and then back into the swim of the road. He could hear their shouts and the curses of the motorists, and began to feel the pulse in his chest grow stronger, impelling him to join them, to orgasm in vandal with the gang. Some of the drivers were shouting through rolled-down glass, swearing in Punjabi as well as in English, both at his pals up ahead and now also at him, too as he began darting in diamond formation, following in the hot tracks of the gang. Halfway down Albert Drive, he caught up with his comrades, and slapped Ali on the shooder.

    ‘Hey, bhen-chaud! What’s up?’ Ali shouted in smiles.

    They exchanged Bronx palm-slaps while from beneath the thick waves of August heat, a bass guitar thudded epileptiform rhythms, Bombay Dopplersahb spirals from an open-topped sportscar.

    Thunk!

    Roo-roo-roo-roo-roo

    Love me!

    Thunk!

    Roo-roo-roo-roo-roo

    Love me!

    They started off again, the three of them, impelled by the insistent thrum of the music in their ears.

    As the Gang ran on, the shopkeepers moved in glue, hardly noticing them as they whooped past. They lived in a different time, another place. The dhokandaars were strung on the drone of a sarod, they pulsed to the rhythms of a different beat, a beat of the seasons, of the peasant calendar, of monsoon into dry and dry into monsoon. They knew nothing of white water, or of white women. They slunk along the fields of their gao’s, happy only to be a little more than serfs. They asked for nothing else. Would have seen it as presumptuous, in another man’s country. Sal felt a buzz in his brain. He was on the runnin-board, and they were pedestrians.

    They reached the end of the street. Ahead lay the Tramway, a theatre which none of them had ever been in, not even when the Mela had been there. The Mela wis jis fur kids and cooncillurs. Sal and his dosts preferred machines to people. They were noisy, irascible, silicon-based like Michael Jackson. They’d play the robots for hours, not bothering whether they won or lost, not caring about the game. Just moving into the beat of chip upon chip, a twitch of the film-star thigh, the hot shoulder shuffle. They were on the film-set, they were living in total. There were no spaces in their existence. No gaps of silence. The Gang turned west, away fae the Mosques, towards Maxwell Park. That’s where they were heidet. To the pond, and the trees. To muck up the quiet. To fill it wi gouts ae Bhangra and Baissee. They skatit past the tenement closes, each one a blink in the Gang’s eye. The sound of generations carved into each corniced ceiling. Flip back: Sal, in the gao. Or, to be more accurate, in Azaad-Kashmir, the Land of Freedom. His family’s land, earth-brown like their skins (not like Sal’s, though), old blood, like the tenement stone. But Sal was another kind of Azaadi. Another hybrid. His was a freedom-within-freedom. A distant, grainy monochrome of greased colonials. Sal, formed between the dots of white and black, somewhere in the invisible alchemical mix flooding through the paper. Long before his conception, Sal was there in the deep line of Partition, in the slime cartridge hate of the one for the other. Peel back the layer, the snakeskin deceptions of Poonch, now in Occupied Kashmir previously in Dogra-land, before that, a gleam in the eye of the Great Mughal, and back, beyond the photoframe, through the nastaliq of dynasties, swimming through the hot sperm of a thousand, to Sikander, Conqueror of the World. Fast-forward: Sal an The Gang. The Black Bandannas. Black, because it made their faces look whiter. Italian, almost. Or Spanish, or Portuguese, or anything. As opposed tae the Kinning Park boys. As opposed tae ?

    The Uni-bastards

    The Mosquers

    The Khans

    and The Rest.

    They were all small-time, forming and disbanding from one year to the next in tenuous hierarchies of slang and spittle. Transient allegiances like in the Games, the video-shop computer games. Nothing was static. Life was movement, juddering, twitching, filmi-star movement. Peasant to refugee, refugee to kisaan; emigrant to immigrant, Paki tae dhokandaar; shopkeeper tae gang-member. Sal slowed to a walking pace. The swagger of the multitudes. Zafar lit a cigarette, handed the pack roon. Puffin draws, they got their breath back.

    ‘Where’re we gan?’ Ali asked. Ali wis a Shia. Less than a human being, according tae the shitfaced cunt in the Bookshop.

    ‘The Park,’ Zafar replied, brusquely.

    Ali curled his lip.

    ‘The Park’s borin. Ah dinnae want tae go thir.’

    ‘You shut the fuck up, arsehole.’

    Ali shut up. He knew his place in the Gang, and that was as its arsehole. Zafar was its head, its brains, its brigadier (unlike Pakistan, the gangs did not have more brigadiers than sergeants).

    ‘What’ll we do there? In the Park.’ Sal asked, measuring his words, levelling them down into the shape of an unobtrusive wheatfield.

    ‘Sit, smoke, watch the burds. Tear the trees doon.’

    ‘Tear the trees? What the fuck for?’

    ‘Why the fuck, not?’

    Sal shrugged. Zafar was a line ae crack on black. Clear-cut and paagal. Sal wished he could be like that. As they walked along Darnley Street, Sal spotted a group of girls approaching from the opposite direction. They were growing like breasts, and he recognised wan ae his cousins amongst them and began tae hurl abuse as soon as he thought they might be within earshot. Not before. There was nothin more embarrassin than swearin at someone, and they couldnae fuckin hear you. The girls did hear it, and flung it right back, and the interchange continued as the two groups passed each other as though through a mirror and moved gradually out of earshot again. She had long, black hair, his cousin and he watched her swing it as she swore. Swung it around legs which he had never seen, but which he had often imagined as long, sinuous, soft, enticing? Fuckin bitch. He watched her as she disappeared around the corner. An imprint on his eyelids, and an ache in his groin. He blinked, and she was gone. But not the ache. The swollen throbbing expanded like Pakistan from the ‘plane, and became a marriage ceremony. A man-in-a-mask, the elephant’s vision. A bride, weeping tears through a waranteed hymen.

    He blinked, hard. Blood scarlet.

    Ali jabbed him in the ribs. Raised his thick, black eyebrows.

    ‘Randy bastart.’

    ‘No way. No fuckin way, man.’

    Ali shook his head, his lop-sided, peasant’s skull.

    ‘When the time comes?’

    ‘It’ll nivir come.’

    ‘Nae mair white burds, wi thur wide open cunts askin fur it, a glais ae vodka an their yours, nae matter how black ya are. Jis feed them enough booze an dope, an they’ll screw you and thank you fur it.’

    ‘At least ah get them.’

    That shut him up. Ali. Him, wi his big bug-eyes. Too big. They saw too much. They’d get him intae trouble, wan ae these days. Parso, they’d fuck him up, doon an sideeways. He remembered a thin white cow he’d screwed last month. The feel ae her anorexic thigh-joins. Bone on bone. Jag-mairks. They’d huv tae be stoned tae fuck a Paki. And then, only fur blue-backs. He began tae harden. Hated himsel. Puffed on his ciggie. It had gan oot.

    ‘Goa match?’ he asked Zafar.

    Zafar didn’t answer.

    Silent bastart, thought Sal and he flung the ciggie doon, killin its corpse wi a stroke ae his trainer.

    You’ll smoke your life away

    his mother had said. So many fuckin times. Like, they nivir said onyhin original, like there wis nuhin new in them. Nivir hud been. Jis work, work an work, like it wis the only thing in life. Kaam, kaam, kaam. Fuckin peasants. He wisnae in that trap. Gangstas were ootside ae aw that crap. They were on the border. Alang the silent razor. Between the dots. Sepia, again. Short-haired men with wives. Babies, dead- already. Visions of the past, of past lives. A long, Hindu cacophony. Sal laughed, inside of himself. He would never be born as a shopkeeper. Better, a dog. At least you got tae fuck freely. Or a mullah. Just sit in the mosque, and take money. Blue-backs. Grow a beard and never, ever smile. An easy job, really. One day, maybe. An image of a large bonfire. The Gangs, all throwing their bandannas into the flames. Black, red, blue. Even the Kinning Park Boys. All sprouting long, gray beards and adopting a bow-legged walk. The bonfire spread, and burned away the image.

    And what’s behind it?

    Sal the Gangsta asked Salman Ishaq Sahb the Mohlvi.

    Wagging his well-muscled finger, Ishaq Sahb gave the answer:

    Behind every image, there is always a jagirdaar. Just as (he went on) in every Coca-Cola tin there is a naked Amrikan slut, her legs overhanging the metal ?

    OK, OK Sal the Gangsta cut in, a little embarrassed, but what aboot ma Irn Bru tin?

    The Mullah did not understand. In England, all tins were the same, he intimated. Just being a tin, was enough. More than enough. Just thinking about a can might even be sufficient.

    But how could he know, Sal thought, unless he too, had been there, into the metal, between the jag-scarred thighs of the slut and had swum around (beard, frown-and-all) in the great fizzy vacuum of the West. Of Amrika, of Glasgee. The mullahs were all Amrikan agents. See-Eye-Aye. Everyone knew that. Even his father knew that, fur fuck’s sake.

    Now they were passin the Safeway, an there the pretty cars aw row’d up like obedient schoolkids. Only they weren’t learnin onyhin. The Great White Superstores, stolid bastions thrown in a ring aroon the city. His father often railed against the toilet-friendly conglomerates, saying that they’d milk the small shopkeeper dry. And what did loag want, Khuda-ke liye, a local, living-room sized dhokaan with you know a friendly face, or a giant metal aircraft hanger? What wus the future for our people in this country? He sounded like a guardian of the tiny units of commerce which Bonaparte had faced, ranged in bared teeth shopfronts along the white, Doverine cliffs of Albert Drive. And they were the new Napoleons, the massive brick battleships, the Safeways, the Sainsburys, the ASDAS besieging Glasgee, attacking Scola, runnin thur damned South American produce right intae the khanas of his ane bratherie. Apples ae Shaitan. The Gang chased past the trees of knowledge which burgeoned in the spacey grounds of the Hutcheson’s Grammar Schule, the in-vitro incubator of budding intellectuals. Where any parents who needed their kids as fuel for the already bulging middle classes that stuck society together sent their offspring. So many went there, and fucked up. Cause they’d rather rave, than save. Salman had never aspired to a hood-and-gown. Maybe it was his parents’ fault. Their lack of ambition. They’d rather he work in the shop. But then wasn’t everything their fault? Comin here in the first place. Runnin a fuckin Paki-shop. That wis what they were seen as. Could’ve worn top hats an tails, an owned hauf the city, an they’d still have been Pakis. He hated it. Never, never wanted to be a shopkeeper. Had missed out on learnin. Jis wanted tae be in a Gang, an tae shout. Tae scream in blood and bhangra.

    Boom-thaka-thaka-thaka-thaka-thaka

    Boom-thaka-thaka-thaka-thaka-thaka

    Boom-thaka-thaka-thaka-thaka-thaka

    The harsh, Jullundri consonants cut his flesh in slashes of kirpaan; it felt good; upon their blade would his skin grow calloused, hard. Nothing would hurt him. No words. No actions. Sticks and stones would shatter on his body. And still, he would sing-dance the juddering figure beat, the blood music of exile. The black slaves had bled in blue: R ‘n’ R, hip-hop, reggae; and now the sons of Swastika-daubed Paki-shop owners would disembowel the air in syncopation. Together, with night torches, they would fire the Swastikas and in the fractured air, would spin them round in great wheels up and down the streets of Glasgow. And they would feed the skinheads of Ibrox, the white trash tattoo of Penilee into the great, burning cunt of Mata Kali where five thousand firewheels spun time. Hindu symbols – yes! His parents would have been mortified to hear him thinking that way. But fuck it. They couldnae hear him thinking, no ony mair. It wis aw mixed up, onyway. Sikh Bhangra, Mussalmaan Qawal, Hindu Raag-Bhajan-Khayals? Black Blues, it all swirled together and spumed into a river of Techno-Rave Brummie Beat. And the Gang would rubber-dance in the Victorian park among the trees, the ducks, the water, the shouts of children. Amidst the summer leaves, they would make music, and war.

    They leapt over the jagged fence and into the Park. The smell of grass, cut skin-short. Roses like the lips of courtesans, drawing out the sex act into a stream of notes.

    Meri naam Jaan-ki-bai hai

    Meri naam Gauhar Jaan

    They half-ran down an incline and tumbled together in a heap near the bottom. Mothers were pushing prams, the wheels of which always seemed to go uphill. Children played with small boats and old folk simply sat in lines on benches, as though waiting their turn. Salman closed his eyes. Goldfish noises ?

    He felt a fist in his belly, enough to provoke but not to seriously wind him. He turned, and caught another on the jaw. His head buzzed as he threw his arms outward to grapple with his opponent. Got a hold of his waist, and didnae let go. Salman and Zafar wrestled on the grass, rolling and screaming. Ali leapt in, and his extra weight had the effect of pressing down on Salman’s chest so that he wasn’t able to move, and could hardly breathe. Was not able to say, Enough’s enough, lads. Get aff noo. Wasn’y sure they would’ve listened, anyway. The sun was streaming into his eyes and he could feel its golden brilliance flood through the coils of his brain. He could hear time run backwards through the veins of trees, moving always anti-clockwise in a broad tape-loop

    Kull ?

    Solitude

    Meri awaz suno, mujhe azad karo

    Kull ?

    Masks

    Chunnae ud ud’ jae, guth kul kul jae

    Kull ?

    Death is not dying

    Achintya bheda bheda Tattva

    Kull ?

    Light

    Kinna Sohna tainu, Rub nay banaya

    Kull ? C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    C

    And Salman Ishaq was floating, downstream, in tears of noor.

    Allah-hu

    Allah-hu

    Allah-hu

    Inhale Allah Exhale Hu

    Inhale Allah Exhale Hu

    Inhale Allah Exhale Hu

    Allah-hu

    Allah-hu

    Allah-hu

    He realised he was able to breathe again. His neck felt stiff. They had got off his chest and were lying, breathless, beside him. They were basking in the sun’s warmth (this too, would’ve been unthinkable), half-watching the delicate slivers of light pour down on the park. They had noticed nothing. Would not have cared. They were true Gangstas. For a moment, he felt a rush of pride in being a part of the Black Bandannas – soon, he too, would be capable of feeling nothing – but it passed and left him empty. He looked away from them and just lay there, letting the backs of his fingers rest upon the short, fine blades of grass. The sun filled his eyes, making them sting and water but he did not allow the lids to close. He began to grow blind and it occurred to him that one day, not too far in the future, it would be his fingers that would be pushing up the grass and that what he thought, felt, did, created during that minuscule pause in his fate might live beyond him, his family, the tribe to which he happened to belong and that the only constant in the whole of Maxwell Park – the trees, the birds, the water, the kids – the only beat that pumped all other rhythms, was the beat of love. Salman took a deep breath, the deepest he’d ever taken, it filled parts of his lungs which had never before breathed, not even at the moment of his birth. He felt a great swell of happiness explode infinitely slowly from the centre of his being. His love spread across the grass, the trees, the trunks of dead elephants and returned to him sevenfold

    And in the end,

    When the music’s over

    There is only love

    The drone behind it all was the note, c, right there in the soul of his brain. He felt its smooth curves, the walls of a tunnel on the way to heaven. And there it was, in the very coils of paradise. He followed a bird as it coursed along the sky. He sat up. Ripping off his bandanna, he ran his fingers through his long hair. Felt free. Wanted to leap into the pond, and swim. Desired the cool, green gown of its depth. From far across the city, Salman heard the Azaan, carried upriver on currents of music. Rolling his bandanna out onto the grass, he faced towards Gorbals Cross and began to pray.

    Glossary . .

    Azaad Kashmir

    bhen-chaud

    brathery

    dhokaan

    dhokandaar

    gao

    haraam zaada

    hud

    haraamjagirdaar

    Jullunder

    khanas

    Khuda-ke-liye

    kisaan

    mela.

    methi

    paagal

    pars.

    Sikander -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    -

    - Free Kashmir

    sister-fucker

    blood relatives

    shop

    shop-keeper

    village

    bastard

    useless person (literally, ‘bad bones’)

    big Punjabi landowner

    city in (Indian) Punjab

    rooms

    for God’s sake!

    farmer

    festival

    fenugreek

    crazy

    the day after tomorrow

    Alexander

    ? 2001 Suhayl Saadi

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  201. Clark

    31 Jul, 2010 - 10:43 pm

    Hey, this place isn’t locked, we can get in! Someone trusts us to behave ourselves; what a tosser. Let’s trash the place! Tee hee.

    Suhayl would have posted a link. You’re transparent. Would you like me to post the ftp password to my web space?

  202. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 10:46 pm

    Thanks Clark.

  203. Suhayl Saadi

    31 Jul, 2010 - 10:50 pm

    Agents of the state undoubtedly at work.

  204. Anonymous

    31 Jul, 2010 - 11:16 pm

    ‘Hansard’

    ‘(2) if he will publish the locations and quantity of depleted uranium munitions used by UK forces during the Iraq War; and what steps he has taken to monitor the effectiveness of depleted uranium clearance programmes in Iraq; [8809]‘

    http://tinyurl.com/2w55d98

  205. Abe Rene

    1 Aug, 2010 - 12:12 pm

    Let’s move on. I just saw a horrifying article (with photographs) in today’s Sunday Times about an 18-year-old Afghan woman who had had her ears and nose cut off by her husband. She had dared to run away from her in-laws, as they had beaten her and treated her as a slave. The Taleban came with the in-laws and demanded punishment. Disregarding her plea, the self-appointed Taleban judge said that an example, should be made of her so that other young women would be deterred from acting similarly. She fainted with pain as her husband used the knife on her, and the men left her on the mountainside to die. American soldiers rescued her and she is now in a secret refuge for women in Kabul.

    Which raises important and difficult questions. If the Americans simply pull out, who pays the price? Afghan women like this one tell us with good reason and stronger feeling that the Taleban are bad men. Should such people be allowed to win? If the answer is ‘No’, what should be done?

  206. somebody

    1 Aug, 2010 - 12:53 pm

    I can’t and won’t read it as I will not give a penny piece to Murdoch. Do you believe everything that you read in the Murdoch trash? You know what their agenda is. Just surprised they are not carrying something about an Iranian woman being stoned or something like this, from Mad Mel.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1280606058.html

  207. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    1 Aug, 2010 - 1:26 pm

    Times made the right decision to publish this picture. It highlights the fate of girls and women not only in Afghanistan but in many other parts of the world.

    This abuse was well known in 2001 when American forces were diverted from Afghanistan to invade and crush Iraq in March 2003, mutilating so many children and innocent civilians.

    My campaign against the thousands of cluster bombs dropped on Iraq whose bomblets remain even after clearance sweeps and still to this day take off the arms and legs of children playing in the many bombed areas in Baghdad and surrounding areas.

    My pictures were deemed disgusting and too shocking in 2004.

    Picture of innocent Iraqi toddlers with their legs and arms blown off, or pretty teenage girls whose faces were badly scarred in Fallujah after burning phosphorous were rejected by the main media as propaganda against the Iraq war.

    With the recent Wikileak data we learn that hundreds of civilians have been killed in Afghanistan have been murdered by US air-strikes including many Afghan children.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7579132/Wikileaks-to-release-video-of-US-strike-on-Afghan-civilians.html

    These kids laughter and spirit has been terminated, their innocent souls lost forever.

    Bibi Aisha can recover her teenage spirit by reconstruction and begin to live a normal life.

    Not so for all those children murdered by Western bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the many children born deformed or dying of cancer from exposure to the deadly fragments of uranium littering the killing fields of Iraq.

  208. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    1 Aug, 2010 - 1:42 pm

    Times made the right decision to publish this picture. It highlights the fate of girls and women not only in Afghanistan but in many other parts of the world where violence against women goes unabated.

    This abuse was well known in 2001 when American forces were diverted from Afghanistan to invade and crush Iraq in March 2003, mutilating so many children and innocent civilians in what was aptly termed ‘shock & awe.’

    My campaign against the thousands of cluster bombs dropped on Iraq, whose bomblets remain, even after clearance sweeps and still to this day explode and take off the arms and legs of children playing in the many bombed areas still remaining in Baghdad and surrounding areas fell on deaf eyes and blind ears.

    My pictures were deemed disgusting and too shocking in 2004.

    Picturs of innocent Iraqi toddlers with their legs and arms blown off, or pretty teenage girls whose faces were badly scarred in Fallujah after burning phosphorous, were rejected by the main media as propaganda against the Iraq war.

    With the recent Wikileak data we learn that hundreds of civilians including many Afghan children have been killed in Afghanistan, murdered by US air-strikes and not reported or obfuscated.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7579132/Wikileaks-to-release-video-of-US-strike-on-Afghan-civilians.html

    These kids laughter and spirit have been terminated, their innocent souls lost forever.

    Bibi Aisha can recover her teenage spirit by reconstruction and begin to live a normal life.

    Not so for all those children murdered by Western bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the many children born deformed or dying of cancer from exposure to the deadly fragments of uranium littering the killing fields of Iraq.

  209. Suhayl Saadi

    1 Aug, 2010 - 2:08 pm

    Yes, the USA created this monster and now finds excuses to deploy their armies ‘in order to combat it’. There is no happy ending in Afghanistan. There is only a bloodbath and millions of refugees (again) – whatever happens. The armies sty, it’s already a killing field. The armies leave, it’s a killing field. It is easy to deploy armies but hard to pull them out. How many of us made this point in 2001 and were ignored? I’m sure many in the FCO would’ve made this point and also would have been ignored.

  210. Suahyl Saadi

    1 Aug, 2010 - 3:04 pm

    Anything posted last night or this morning is not by me.

  211. Clark

    1 Aug, 2010 - 3:06 pm

    Abe Rene,

    you’ve raised an important and difficult point.

    Somebody,

    the truth or falsity of the incident and the Murdoch Machine’s motivation for reporting that, and not reporting other things, should be regarded as separate points.

    Suhayl Saadi,

    “It is easy to deploy armies but hard to pull them out”. Exactly.

    _______________-

    George Galloway has been criticised for his involvement with Saddam Hussein’s regime. Craig has been criticised for engaging with members of Karimov’s regime. But engagement seems a far superior strategy than war. War should be seen as an admission of failure.

    The big picture is one of long term interference and exploitation of Middle Eastern / ‘Islamic’ regions by Western governments for primarily economic reasons. Divide and exploit. This has deprived the world of a broad, moderate Middle Eastern / ‘Islamic’ collaboration which could provide an appropriate force to intervene in such problems.

    US/NATO forces are immensely hindered by being seen as invaders, and by giving support to factions that are just as bad as the groups they’re fighting.

    There probably isn’t any quick answer. On balance, I’d say get US/NATO out, and let the long, slow healing and moderation process begin. Look at Iran for an example. There was democracy, but it made decisions that didn’t suit the West economically. So the Shah was reinstalled. A revolution occurred, a supreme leader was established, but steps towards democracy soon followed. Iran’s regime gets much criticism, quite rightly, but the long term direction, I think, is positive.

    Societies are like people; they heal, given time. The first steps to aiding their health are to stop injuring them, and engage with them, giving them support.

  212. Abe Rene

    1 Aug, 2010 - 3:17 pm

    Clark: “get US/NATO out, and let the long, slow healing and moderation process begin.” Imagine that you’re the chairman of a tribunal with the power to make this decision, about to announce it. The young woman I referred to (who is still alive this moment in a refuge in Kabul) is in the audience with a group of others, and so are a group of Taleban ad in-laws demanding punishment for them. If you say ‘let the healing begin’ the Taleban will rub their hands in anticipation, believing that you intend to abandon the women to their fate, and indeed they will be seized by force as soon as the last soldier (and yourself) leave town. Your decision will doubtless go into the history books. What do you say?

  213. Clark

    1 Aug, 2010 - 3:27 pm

    Abe Rene,

    me? I don’t know. That’s why I fix computers, and I’m not a diplomat. I suppose I’d ask a spin-doctor. I mean, I couldn’t say, “well, we’re sorry, but we just can’t continue landing missiles and drone attacks upon wedding parties”.

    What I’d *like* to say is “We’re handing matters over to the Middle Eastern peace keeping forces”. Do you have a suggestion?

  214. Abe Rene

    1 Aug, 2010 - 3:53 pm

    Clark: A few ideas. I would want to tackle corruption, because that is one of the reasons that the Taleban have been able to prosper. I would want to establish the rule of law against the Taleban, and that would mean equipping communities to defend themselves, to prevent their return. A network of shelters with provision for asylum for ill-rreated women and minorities. A vigorous move to restore the relatively secular culture of the 1970s before the Taleban including having sectarian provisions such as sharia removed from the Constitution.

    As for the hypothetical problem I gave you: I would give the women either protection or the promise of asylum, and have the inlaws prosecuted, with severe punishment for anyone mistreating brides. That would need a well-trained and equipped police force.

  215. Ruth

    1 Aug, 2010 - 3:55 pm

    The story about the 18-year-old Afghan woman who had had her ears and nose cut off by her husband is most difinitely horrific but I think the motive to give this story such prominence is worse. For surely its purpose is to extend the war in Afganistan – a continuing war in which totally innocent people and children have had and will have bits blown off including noses and ears.

    To me the obvious manipulation of the media by the state to highlight such incidences is sheer hypocrisy. The media is now drawing attention the complicity of the UK government in torture but the media doesn’t touch the mental torture of people such as Roderick Russell or the entirely innocent people imprisoned by the state to hide its role in removing revenue drawn from excise and carousel frauds from the country.

  216. Abe Rene

    1 Aug, 2010 - 4:34 pm

    Correction: The article about the brutalised Afghan woman was in TIME magazine, not the Sunday Times – apologies. I don’t see the story as manipulation by rhe state so much as a human rights abuse news story.

  217. Suhayl Saadi

    1 Aug, 2010 - 4:47 pm

    Clark, excellently put. Ruth, great points, as always. Abe, you’ve made a very crucial point and your post of 353pm on 1.8.10 is an excellent one. I don’t think any of us have ‘the answer’. I don’t think there is ‘an answer’ now. It’s too complex for that.

    Here’s an article which focusses on Pakistan, rather than Afghanistan, but which calls for organising the people. This cannot really be done by NATO, though. It can only be done by the people themselves and rational political movements which develop from the grassroots. The Pashtun province of Pakistan – the formerly-named NWFP – voted for a secular Leftist Party at the last election; they voted the Taliban-sympathetic previous party out, by a big majority. The Taliban then started to behead school-teachers, etc.

    However, Afghanistan is so far behind even Pakistan, it’s hard to see where that organising will come from. Iran was a different situation because the literacy rate was much higher, the Revolution was undertaken by a combination of Leftists, liberals and Islamists and because, when the Revolution happened in 1978-9, Iranian society had not been destroyed by 30+ years of war. But perhaps there are enough of such people; I don’t know enough about the interior politics of the country to know. I’m suspicious of NGOs, which too often, willingly or unwittingly and in spite of the best intentions of the people on the ground, end up serving as modules of neocolonialism. But there are 60 female members of Afghanistan’s parliament – at least that might be the start of possibilities for change – one shudders to think what’ll happen to them.

    I don’t think that NATO armies can bring peace or stability, though. Did the USSR bring peace and stability? No. Did the USA? No. I wish the USSR and USA had left the people alone to sort things out – it was a Monarchy then a Republic, the Marxists should never have had a coup and then called in the USSR; it would’ve got there, eventually. Instead of which, it’s been 30+ years of blood.

    http://www.pkcolumns.com/category/english-columnists/amjad-ayub-mirza/

  218. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    1 Aug, 2010 - 4:50 pm

    Abe,

    It is all too easy in my view to focus on ‘the evils’ that occur in a particular society when making the decisions you suggest. For example in making a decision to create a national identity database, should we focus on the extraordinary level of sexual abuse of children in Western society, the elements of which are only recently reaching into our everyday conciousness, propelled by the revelations of such abuse present in our own religious organisations.

    The answer in my opinion is definitely no, we should look deeper into our own culture and the cumulative affects on children and adults alike. In Iran for instance the abuse of children compared to the West is minuscule.

    This method of applying a deeper understanding can also be implemented in our engagement with the Taleban, a Sunni Islamist political movement that governed Afghanistan from 1996 until it was overthrown in late 2001 and slowly regained strength because of our preoccupation with Iraq and her indigenous resources.

    We know the the Sunni Islamist movement seeks cultural differentiation from the West and reconnection with the pre-colonial symbolic universe.

    It has recently seen France, Germany and in fact the bulk of EU as having swung into line with the most unilateralist and least universalist positions of the Israeli?”American axis.

    This of course is the problem in Afghanistan and Pakistan. “The ‘Jerusalem Plan’, which, after a remarkable joint effort by senior European diplomats was mysteriously declared ‘null and void’”

    (McGreal, 2005).

    “Europe’s credibility in the region was further eroded by the provisions that regulated the withdrawal of European observers from the prison of Jericho (March 2006), which, in breach of international law, provided the Israeli army with access to the precinct. This ultimately led to the cancellation of the speech of Mahmoud Abbas before the EU Parliament. In the eyes of the great majority of Arabs, the most notable ?” and symbolically the most damaging ?” of the Union’s responses has been the withdrawal of budgetary support from the government of the Palestinian Authority.”

    “This is all the more telling as this support was offered in the course of the very election campaign that Brussels and Strasburg supervised and unreservedly approved as the model of democracy in the Arab world.”

    (Milton-Edwards, 2007, p. 308).

    Tarja Halounen, EU President in 2006 expressed this deep resentment rather succinctly:

    “You only help Israel! All the European officials who have visited the region have evoked the release of the three prisoners held by Hezbollah or Hamas. But not one has evoked [.] the five hundred women and children incarcerated in Israeli prisons. Up till now, not one single European has demanded their liberation, neither theirs, nor that of any of the other prisoners. Is the European Union then concerned only with the Israelis?”

    So the scales are swung down heavily on the Western side. While we are busy murdering civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel continues to bomb Gaza out of existence and refuses to stop building on Palestinian land.

    The inexorable push to obliterate Iran continues with the recent passage of a vote signalled by Vice President Joe Biden that the United States would not intervene to stop Iran from launching a “pre-emptive” attack on Israel as reported yesterday by the New York Times.

    This continued aggression and loss of innocent lives, will, without doubt, create a world for our youngsters of tribal warfare, terrorism, police states, communication black-outs, interrogations and imprisonment on a massive scale and riots and demonstrations as ordinary folk realise that a controlling machine has manifested itself in a conglomerate of killer drone infested security mechanisms, state control of travel and curfews with a tank or machine gun post on every British and American street corner.

    That is the reality if we continue on this path of destruction without the courage to settle the Middle-East dispute once and forever.

  219. Suhayl Saadi

    1 Aug, 2010 - 5:12 pm

    Here’s a superb website, in terms of the standard of the material, by one of the most lucid journalists working in Pakistan today, Nadeem Paracha. The person who runs the site, ‘Penny Lane’ is a very busy lady, who, no doubt, fares well beneath blue, suburban skies… !

    http://nadeemfparacha.wordpress.com/

  220. Clark

    1 Aug, 2010 - 5:16 pm

    Ruth,

    I don’t see this as straight forward manipulation of the news media by the state. There are also plenty of examples of manipulation of the state by the news media. I agree with Noam Chomsky’s ‘Propaganda Model’ of the media; the media consists of big corporations, with their own agenda, which sometimes coincides with the agendas of states, and sometimes not.

    The ‘Propaganda Model’ is that the media are corporations selling a product to a market. The product is audiences, and the market are advertisers, because media make more from advertising than from sales to readers or viewers.

    You can see how war fits in here; it gives the media news, to attract audiences.

    You’ve been researching excise and carousel fraud for some time now; if you post some links I’d be interested to take a look.

  221. Suhayl Saadi

    1 Aug, 2010 - 5:22 pm

    The Iraqi Govt says 535 people died in July 2010 in Iraq as a result of political violence, the highest level for over two years; the USA disputes this and says it was ‘only’ 222. If 222 people were dying of political violence each month in the middle of, say, Langley, Virginia, or Pentagon City, does anyone imagine for a moment that it would be deemed tolerable?

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100801/twl-us-refutes-july-death-toll-in-iraq-3cd7efd.html

  222. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    1 Aug, 2010 - 5:48 pm

    Fabulous site Suhayl – thanks for the link – I will remain silent for a couple hours.

  223. Suhayl Saadi

    1 Aug, 2010 - 7:07 pm

    And to contrast with the likes of Nadeem Paracha, Robert Fisk, John Pilger, etc., here is an example of someone who, allegedly, has been described as essentially a puppet journalist. In his case, the puppeteer is the SIS. Ah, he has blog too! He’s a pal of Dr Liam Fox, yes that figures. Almost every ‘headline’ on his blog seems almost embarrassingly to represent what one senses very strongly is simply current thinking in the SIS:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Coughlin

  224. Roderick Russell

    1 Aug, 2010 - 7:21 pm

    Clark and Ruth – On Press Censorship

    I thought that Noam Chomsky’s explanation was that the media will follow the establishment line wherever the establishment has a broad consensus ?” and that a small highly placed group of elites in the establishment is such a consensus on its own, if there is no opposition. Former Sunday Times Editor Harold Evans further explains this apparent censorship in his book “the paper chase” saying that, when it comes to the establishment, the UK Press, that he describes as being only “half-free”, has a history of “Reservatio mentalis” (closing ones mind to unpleasant truths) “to make obedience easier”.

    But it’s not just the establishment on their own who censor our press. The real dab hands at censoring the press are the intelligence services. In British Journalism Review Vol. 11, No. 2, 2000, Mr. David Leigh of the Guardian wrote – “journalists are being manipulated by the secret intelligence agencies, and I think we ought to try and put a stop to it.” Indeed the example of the persecution of Mr. Denis Lahane by the intelligence services that we previously referred to suggests to me just quite how strong this censorship and control by MI5 / MI6 is. After all, Mr. Lahane was an award winning journalist; yet it seems that the press couldn’t even protect one of their own.

    Just sticking with The Guardian. . In 2002, they reported on famous publicist Max Clifford, under the headline: “Journalism is bloody horrible”, quoting him saying — “I censor things as well,”… . “For every story I break, I stop a dozen” … “I’m good at covering up anything I don’t want people to know”.

    So whether it’s through a publicist, the intelligence services, or just elites within the establishment – our press is all too easily censored by those who have the power or influence. One cannot blame those whose job it to censor the media because they are good at what they do; rather one should ask whether or not our media serves the public interest in being so easily manipulated. Whatever happened to investigative journalism?

  225. Suhayl Saadi

    1 Aug, 2010 - 7:36 pm

    Apparently, there is a Pakistani ISI fan-page (!!) on Facebook, entitled ‘Hijazi’ or ‘Mr Hijazi’, or ‘Mr H’. I searched for this, but was unable to find it. The ISI allegedly post propagandistic items through this page. How very odd. Can anyone find it? Can you imagine…?

  226. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    1 Aug, 2010 - 7:41 pm

    T-Shirts – S/M/L/XL/XXL

    Blowing the Whistle on a War Crime is Not a Crime:

    http://www.coia.org.uk/wikileaks.gif

    Any interest – let me know & I’ll get them made.

  227. Suhayl Saadi

    1 Aug, 2010 - 8:16 pm

    Here’s the wikipedia page on the ISI: an intriguing history, as one might expect.

    One notes that the current Chief of Staff, General Kayani was previously Chief of the ISI. It works very efficiently, unlike, for example, the supply of electricity and water (the latter, in Karachi, allegedly is controlled by organised criminal interests linked to various political parties) to the major cities.

    One notes the comments on NGOs and multinationals as being ideal cover for ISI postings. There is no reason to expect that similar dynamics would not also apply to the CIA and also to our very own beloved acronym’d ‘service’, the SIS.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence

  228. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    1 Aug, 2010 - 8:48 pm

    Suhayl,

    ‘one senses very strongly is simply current thinking in the SIS’

    Yes, Coughlin was supplied info by MI6 who were entwined with an assassination attempt on Gaddafi until they realised he might be useful to frame – his latest book, ‘Khomeini’s Ghost’ is full of facts taken out of context, something that he is particularly good at!

    His pathetic effort at blaming British judges for applying the rule of law to tortured so called ‘terrorists’ such as Binyam Mohamed makes me sick.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/100025663/when-the-next-bomb-goes-off-in-london-blame-the-judges/

    Con Coughlin was responsible for the story that China Helps Iran to Make Nerve Gas,” The London Daily Telegraph, May 24, 1998 – absolute bollocks and another SIS strand to condemn Iran. Phosphorus pentasulfide is an unregulated pesticide and not a CWC controlled substance.

    I believe Coughlin is paid to produce propaganda against Iran as a prelude to invasion which of course needs a modicum of public approval.

  229. somebody

    1 Aug, 2010 - 9:28 pm

    Hillary: ‘Hi is that you Ted? I need your help. We’re losing it bigtime in that pit Afghanistan and now that weirdo Assange is butting in. We need something good and make it big. Find a pretty woman that the Taliban have mutilated and get it on the front of Time or somewhere where it will get noticed. Thanks Ted. We owe you. Bill and I really look forward to having you at Chelsea’s big day on the 31st. See you then.’

    Clinton (State Dept) talking to Ted Turner (Time Warner)

    http://www.cjr.org/resources/?c=timewarner

  230. Courtenay Barnett

    1 Aug, 2010 - 10:02 pm

    And Craig’s Uzbekistan is last but not least from this blog:-

    “How many murderous dictatorships has the US installed or supported?

    Let’s count.

    Country Dictator Dates Statistics

    Chile Gen. Augusto Pinochet 1973-1990 3000 murdered. 400,000 tortured.

    Argentina Gen. Jorge Rafael Videla 1976-1981 30,000 murdered. more

    Indonesia Suharto 1965 coup against left-leaning Sukarno,

    1975 support of East Timor genocide

    500,000 dead after 1965 coup; 100,000-230,000 dead in East Timor; more, more, more.

    Guatemala Armas, Fuentes, Montt 1954-

    Iran The Shah of Iran

    Ayatollah Khomeini was on the CIA payroll in the 1970s in Paris

    Egypt Sadat, Mubarak 1978-today

    Iraq Saddam Hussein

    Nicaragua Anastasio Somoza & sons 1937-1979

    Paraguay Stroessner. US supported throughout (state.gov says US has supported Paraguayan development since 1942) ($142M between 1962 and 1975) 1954-1989

    Bolivia Col. Hugo Banzer overthrew elected leftist president Juan Jose Torres 1970-

    Angola Jonas Savimbi/UNITA (didn’t actually win his revolution, but killed or displaced millions) 1975-1989

    Zaire Mobutu

    Saudi Arabia Saud family

    Kuwait a monarchy

    Morocco

    Tunisia

    Algeria

    Jordan

    Panama Noriega was US-supported for years

    Haiti Papa Doc, Baby Doc

    Dominican Republic Trujillo, a military dictator for 32 years with US support for most of that time; Belaguer, Trujillo’s protege, installed after US Marines intervened to put down an attempt to restore the democratically elected government of Juan Bosch 1930-61, 1965-78

    Honduras

    El Salvador 1980s

    Nepal monarchy since 1948

    Cuba Fulgencio Batista pre-Castro

    Brazil Gen. Branco overthrew elected president Goulart with US support 1965-67

    Uzbekistan Kamirov “The Boiler”, $150M from the Bush administration for an air base. “

  231. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    2 Aug, 2010 - 1:14 am

    I despair Courtenay – Yes, my bleak predictions may be construed as ‘a bit far-fetched, but are we in Britain also controlled by America? Are we compelled to replace Trident with more American hardware or go ‘shoulder to shoulder’ in the predicted strike on Iran?

    The end-game in Central Asia as Suhayl quite rightly ponders was described to me by Robin Cook as a continuation of the 19th century ‘Great Game’ with the stakes now including oil, strategic metals, pipelines, transit routes and access to markets. The stakes are obviously significantly higher and have led to Central Asia assuming military, geo-political, geo-economic and geo-strategic significance for two major blocs?”one led by the United States (NATO) and the other by China (Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) as I have mentioned here a while back. USA and China want influence in the region with completely dissimilar interests.

    Western powers are obsessed they are not monopolized by Moscow or Beijing and will use military might, while, in parallel, trying to appease Russia and tempt her to draw away from Chinese influence and trade with Iran knowing she wants to control the distribution of energy including the vast hydro-power network in u will join me and fight to the end against such hegemony for it is certain that many others will rise against the superior powers in a massive world-wide surge of asymmetric warfare.

  232. Clark

    2 Aug, 2010 - 3:19 am

    Mark Golding,

    I’d like a T-shirt, if you get enough people to have a batch made. But I’d like “Wikileaks” printed on it too, in big typewriter script!

  233. Suhayl Saadi

    2 Aug, 2010 - 8:06 am

    Thanks, Mark. That’s a very helpful schema.

    Clark, you could have Wikileaks on the back.

  234. ingo

    2 Aug, 2010 - 10:02 am

    Thanks, I shall decline the Wiki T shirt/mug/or personalised toothbrush in favour of any activities that go beyond chatting on centrally controlled electronic path.

    Have been to the most georgeous fair last week ‘Doune the rabbit hole’. Stunning scenery, almost no midgies, exceptional music and likemided people.

    Would have loved to have seen some of you there, eager to engage, without those who like to know everything.

    We knew who was attending the fair, including those two gentlemen who booked themselves into the red Lion pub for the weekend.

    With some luck this will happen again next year, see how much salt has been dragged of our sandwiches by then, lifestyles cramped enough by increasing fascist controll freakery to make some of you feel wanting.

    Take care

  235. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    2 Aug, 2010 - 12:16 pm

    Clark,

    Picture of T-Shirts – all lettering is Black not Silver as shown.

    http://www.coia.org.uk/shirts.jpg

  236. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    2 Aug, 2010 - 1:32 pm

    U.S. military chief warns of attack option against Iran.

    America’s top military chief has warned that the country has a plan to attack Iran.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1299516/U-S-military-chief-warns-attack-option-Iran.html

  237. Clark

    2 Aug, 2010 - 2:22 pm

    Ingo,

    I’m so disappointed that I couldn’t make it to Doune the Rabbit Hole. I was looking forward to meeting you, and engaging in that festival spirit which I haven’t experienced for years. Unfortunately, practical matters (money, time) got in the way. Do use my link to send me an e-mail; perhaps we can meet up some other time. I’m glad it was good and that you enjoyed it.

    Roderick Russell,

    you draw a distinction between the intelligence services and the state; I think that is right; there are multiple influences. But the interests of money and power tend to converge – against openness and, to an extent, honesty.

    I say “to an extent”, because it is in their interests that the news media is broadly trusted, so there tends to be omission, distortion, manipulation of emphasis, and ‘spin’ rather than outright lies.

    Mark Golding,

    if there’s a piece of instrumentation I’d like, it would be a ‘Fake vs. Genuine Attack-Upon-Iran Discriminator’! For so many years an attack upon Iran has seemed imminent; the US/Israeli military movements around Iran seem to continue constantly. Any suggestions?

  238. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    2 Aug, 2010 - 3:45 pm

    No instrumentation exists except word of mouth here:

    englishradio@irib.ir

    Write to Mohammad Khoshnevisan and he will advise you of any intelligence that exists that may suggest a move to attack Iran. The latest move is an attempt to provoke aggression from Iran towards the US/Israeli build-up in the Persian Gulf. An Israeli submarine could easily strike an ‘empty’ US ship – I would not rule out a deceptive false-flag attempt to ignite war – BE WARNED!

  239. ingo

    2 Aug, 2010 - 4:00 pm

    Thanks Mark for that little snippet, the noises seem set to wratched up this futile attempt to destroy our childrens future.

    No worries Clark, there’s always another time, shall send you an email report on how nice it was…

  240. glenn

    2 Aug, 2010 - 4:41 pm

    ——————–

    - Compound alert -

    ——————–

    Kim Sengupta, reporting from Afghanistan, uses the term no less than three times in today’s Independent. ‘Compound’ is used in place of any alternative term to describe a dwelling throughout.

  241. Neil Barker

    2 Aug, 2010 - 5:30 pm

    “I want a T shirt too

    Give me or I will sue

    Otherwise what will you do?”

    So trivial, so childish.

    I am the real Neil Barker and you guys are in deep litigation shit.

    You stalked me, harassed me at my workplace, sent me abusive emails.

    Do NOT underestimate my willingness to take action.

    Craig, you host this site. You no longer have diplomatic immunity.

    I can readily understand why you are paranoid.

    I WILL have satisfaction.

  242. Abe Rene

    2 Aug, 2010 - 5:42 pm

    Mark Golding: I agree that the EU should be concerned for justice for Palestinians, not just Israelis. Therefore I think that all Palestinian political prisoners who do not have blood on their hands should be released – but Gilad Shalit as well. As for ‘evils in society’ such as the mutilation of an 18-year-old Afghan woman (see http://www.time.com/time/magazine for the cover of the latest edition that I referred to)- that’s a good reason not to pull out of Afghanistan without first being able to assure the safety of people like her. It is indeed a disaster for bombs or bullets to hit innocent people, whether of the East or West, and every effort should be made to avoid it.

  243. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    2 Aug, 2010 - 5:55 pm

    Sanctions on Iran

    http://www.hcfa.house.gov/111/MAR10505.pdf

    A ‘must read’ for the lies it contains – how can the UN Security Council accept such a devious document?

    Head of the US State Department’s Iran desk, John Limbert, has resigned from his post due to disillusionment with the Obama regime’s dubious “outreach” to Tehran.

    He has been replaced by former Narcotics Affairs Officer in Islamabad, Pakistan – Philo L. Dibble, a good friend of Senator Joe Biden.

    Dibble speaks Arabic (moderately) and is well known in Syria – an asset in the subjugation of Syria, a diplomatic trick to further isolate Iran and her support for Hizbullah.

    Here is the voice of Dibble to get a handle on his new role in the Obama team:

    Philo Dibble, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Near Eastern Affairs in the US Department of State, emphatically stressed that it was not US policy to move from Iraq to Iran. Elaborating on the US policy towards Iran, Mr Dibble said that Iran must respect the territorial integrity of Iraq. Moreover, the US was concerned about the country’s WMD development, especially its nuclear weapons programme. Touching briefly on Iran’s internal developments, he said that it was clear that the Iranian leadership was unable to meet the demands of the Iranian people. But this was first and foremost an internal Iranian problem, a possible role of the international community in Iran was unclear. In the discussion with participants Mr Dibble added that the economic flexibility of the Iranian regime were very limited, due to high unemployment, huge corruption. The US was also very conscious that a greater opening of the society could backfire. Therefore, the US had also no interest to encourage a crackdown on the students.

    Dibble will be I suspect, contract in a game of political chess with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad before any engagement with Iran.

  244. glenn

    2 Aug, 2010 - 6:09 pm

    Neil Barker – get bent mate. The only person doing any harassing around here is you with your pan-handling. Have you tried hanging around outside an off-licence, or maybe a cashpoint machine? They’re very good spots, I hear.

    So you have a workplace, eh? A job forsooth! Well – maybe now you could save up the £1.54 for that book you’ve always wanted from your wages.

  245. MJ

    2 Aug, 2010 - 7:09 pm

    Neil Barker: could you remind us please, with a date/time citation, where in this thread the offending verse that you quote appears, other than in your own post? Ta.

  246. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    2 Aug, 2010 - 11:18 pm

    The low-down on cluster bombs – brightly coloured child killers containing over a hundred sharp lethal metal pieces that can shred a human body up to 25m.

    bbc.co.uk/news/world-10829976

    Obama speech on end of combat operations in Iraq – 50,000 troops left behind to man 94 US bases in Iraq indefinitely (as a ‘transitional force’) according to Max Fisher of Atlantic Wire.

    bbc.co.uk/news/10839342

    Obama lies – What is actually underway, however, is not a withdrawal, but a vast consolidation in preparation for the long-term occupation of the country by US forces.

    Proof that the Obama withdrawal speech is a bold lie.

    1. 2009 – Massive expansion of base construction – cost $496 million the highest annual fig. 1/4 of £2.1 billion budget.

    2. 2010 £323 million of projects to be completed.

    3. Permanently manned bases will be Northern Iraq – Camp Balad – Southern Iraq Camp Adder – Western Iraq – Al-Asad Air Base – Central Iraq – Victory base near Baghdad airport.

    4. 65,000 US contractors remain including armed security.

    5. US embassy in Baghdad – most expensive in the world. Opened in January 2009, the complex includes 21 buildings, occupies 0.4 square kilometres and houses 1,000 regular employees as well as up to 3,000 additional staff. The embassy buildings include according to information acquired from a Dubai based British security worker, a Pentagon type operations and communication suites intending for the collection of intelligence, initiatives to counter what the military calls ‘malign Iranian influence’, and the integration of tens of thousands of former insurgents the military turned into Sunni paramilitary groups.

    Other planning objectives including special forces crossing into Iran will be executed from this ‘embassy’ including the logistics for a rapid return of US troops.

  247. Clark

    3 Aug, 2010 - 12:34 am

    Mark,

    50,000 troops on 94 bases – indeed, this is an interesting and unusual use of the term ‘withdrawal’.

  248. Kathleen Pinho

    3 Aug, 2010 - 3:01 am

    It was really nice to have a different perspective on how diplomacy is made.

    I’m a young student in Brazil and looking foward to following a diplomatic carrer.

  249. Anonymous

    3 Aug, 2010 - 10:50 am

    This catastrophe has had 500 plus ‘operations’ since 2003 alone.

    and not forgetting the horror of the previous decades.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coalition_military_operations_of_the_Iraq_War

    Did you know that Obama was now at the Operation New Dawn stage? That would be humorous if it was not so tragic.

  250. Abe Rene

    3 Aug, 2010 - 11:44 am

    Yesterday I read a book that was so fascinating that I couldn’t put it down. I was up till 1 AM finishing it. “Son of Hamas” by Mosab Hassan Yousef. There is an accompanying website, http://sonofhamas.com

    I’ll refrain from commenting on it just yet. Better that people read it for themselves, and not rely on any second-hand opinion or prejudice!

  251. somebody

    3 Aug, 2010 - 11:59 am

    You really are one of these Zionist trolls aren’t you, if somewhat surreptious and sneaky. First it’s an anti Iranian smear (initially a Sunday Times link but then strangely a Time magazine – some difference!) and now an anti-Hamas one but I am not responding with any of the reams of stuff about the cruel practices of the PA quislings or of the actual oppression, torture, imprisonment, killing and maiing of the Palestinians by the Occupiers themselves.

  252. Abe Rene

    3 Aug, 2010 - 1:34 pm

    somebody at 11:59: disregarding your slander, there’s little left. I would like to hear from people who have actually read the book.

  253. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    3 Aug, 2010 - 3:50 pm

    “Son of Hamas” by Mosab Hassan Yousef

    A sad story of the coercion of a young 17yr old boy held in an Israeli prison and subjected to the ultra efficient psychological and physical torture of the ‘Shabak’ – the Internal General Security Service of Israel – motto – “shield who shall not be seen.”

    Shabak are extremely efficient at ‘targeting killings’ that are either committed by using disguise or more frequently in an elaborate plan that confers responsibility for murder on a third person or group.

    Torture methods by the shabak are beyond the realms of understanding for ordinary folk, are highly secret and confidential such that any information from survivors is steadfastly refuted. What details I have after a modicum of research I will synopsize here:

    The most used method used to break down a prisoner has been detailed by informal accounts of Palestinians held captive and indicate a preparation phase of injection/oral transport to the subject with a high dose of amphetamine sulphate, Dexedrine and dexamphetamine to prevent fainting and lapses of conciousness and to prevent sleep; the technique continues by ‘inviting’ the prisoner to sit on a high stool which is angled forward (so it’s impossible to sit in a comfortable, stable position).

    The subject is then bound with their arms and legs behind them to the stool, while also covering their head with a bad smelling sack. Loud (130 decibel) combined ultrasonic and low frequency noise is directed near the head – the low end spectrum is suspected to be the resonant frequency of human bone causing multiple fracturing while ultrasonics causes the breakup of internal organs. Bursts of this noise only are used to create intense pain interspersed by psychological interrogation that involves showing the subject a picture or video of their loved ones who are held captive under threat of rape, torture and death. The subject is left in darkness and cold to induce cramp caused by the muscular strain of this position, this combined with the devastating withdrawal symptoms from the previous ‘high’ and lack of sleep. The next session timing is carefully calculated on the physiological and psychological condition of the prisoner.

    If the prisoner is injured by internal bleeding the ‘interrogation’ is aborted and deemed a failure resulting in assassination and burning of the body.

    Successful ‘turned’ informants sign a written confession (in hebrew), are then given a task, a picture of their loved ones and a satellite encryption phone that has to answered at regular intervals, then released near the task area with a ‘minder’ usually one of the Shabak interrogation team.

    Shabak successes lead to the Bush neonazis adopting some of their torture techniques.

  254. somebody

    3 Aug, 2010 - 4:17 pm

    Here we go again. Same old same old…. Just can’t help themselves.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/08/20108310240207599.html

  255. Polo

    3 Aug, 2010 - 7:50 pm

    Some time ago someone very helpfully posted a UK proxy which enabled those outside the UK access BBC tv programmes/podcasts.

    I didn’t note it at the time and can’t now find in the archive. Any chance of a repost, please.

  256. Ruth

    3 Aug, 2010 - 8:27 pm

    Mark,

    The torture you’ve described used by the Israelis is beyond humanity.

  257. Abe Rene

    3 Aug, 2010 - 8:48 pm

    Yousef’s book is an eye-opener in more than one way. What struck me was the difference between the military (who beat him and put him in a harsh jail with loud music and chained him in a cramped position to a stool during interrogation, although injections were not used), and the Shin Bet who treated him as a human being. Even more surprising was his finding the ability to see them as humans. Thus the book gives a very different picture from the Shin Bet as Gestapo, though it makes the brutal reality of the occupation quite clear. Other eye-openers include Hamas’ treatment of its fellow prisoners (leading to one attempting escape – from them), and the Al-Aqsa martyrs’ brigade coming from Yasser Arafat’s guards. Shin Bet would have liked Yousef to continue working for them, but when he insisted on leaving for America in the end, they did not stop him.

  258. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    3 Aug, 2010 - 10:47 pm

    White House Won’t Protect Afghan Sources -

    Wikileaks founder Julian Assange at the Frontline Club – extraordinary video:

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8526049

    Coming soon:

    Why Bin-Laden hated Saudi-Arabia; the strange story of Mustafa Setmariam Nasar held in Syria and a street thug from a ghetto in the Jordanian city of Zarqa by the name of Ahmad Fadil al-Khalayilah otherwise known as the terrorist Zarqawi in Iraq, who, formed part of the CIA’s divide and conquer (Sunni verses Shia) murder squad plan to install a Saudi type regime in Iraq.

    Let me be very clear and history will prove that Britain despised the Sunni insurgency and Saudi terrorists, the so called ‘foreign fighters’ in Iraq – we can be proud in Britain that our top commanders supported the Shia community in Basra and supported a Shia led government. I have recently learned that Britain will never support an attack on Iran.

  259. Hatari

    3 Aug, 2010 - 11:21 pm

    The blackest hearts: War crimes in Iraq

    http://www.perdana4peace.org/

    US “Pulling” out of Iraq leaving mercenaries and a worse legacy of War crimes and Atrocities since Vietnam

    Just one story of war crime posted on the Perdana peace Org.

    “Fakhriah was particularly worried about Abeer. Now 14, her fragile beauty was attracting a lot of unwanted attention. Soldiers would give her the thumbs up and say, “Very good, very nice.” By early March, the harassment was getting so bad that Abu Muhammad told the family to leave Abeer with him; there were more people at his house and it was less secluded. But Abeer stayed there only one night, on 9 or 10 March. With his protection, Qassim assured Abu Muhammad, they’d be fine.

    Sneaking up on the house, the soldiers corralled the whole family into the bedroom. After they had recovered the family’s AK-47 and Green had confirmed it was locked and loaded, Barker and Cortez left, yanking Abeer behind them. Spielman set up guard in the doorway between the foyer and living room, while Cortez shoved Abeer into the living room, pushed her down, and Barker pinned her outstretched arms down with his knees.

    In the bedroom, Green was losing control of his prisoners. The woman made a run for the door. Green shot her once in the back and she fell to the floor. The man became unhinged. Green turned his own AK on him and pulled the trigger. It jammed. Panicking, as the man advanced on him, Green switched to his shotgun. The first shot blasted the top of the man’s head off. Then Green turned to the little girl, who was running for a corner. This time the AK worked. He raised the rifle and shot Hadeel in the back of the head. She fell to the ground.

    Spielman came in, saw the carnage and was furious. Green explained the AK had jammed and Spielman began searching for shotgun casings.

    As Green was executing the family, Cortez finished raping Abeer and switched positions with Barker. Green came out of the bedroom and announced to Barker and Cortez, “They’re all dead. I killed them all.” Cortez held Abeer down and Green raped her. Then Cortez pushed a pillow over her face, still pinning her arms with his knees. Green grabbed the AK, pointed the gun at the pillow, and fired one shot, killing Abeer.”

    Full Story http://www.perdana4peace.org/

  260. Clark

    4 Aug, 2010 - 1:08 am

    “PCHR and Hickman & Rose Oppose Proposed Changes to Universal Jurisdiction in the UK; Political Considerations Must Not Be Allowed to Triumph over the Rule of Law”

    http://williambowles.info/2010/08/03/pchr-and-hickman-political-considerations-must-not-be-allowed-to-triumph-over-the-rule-of-law/

  261. Stan Tisdale

    4 Aug, 2010 - 2:09 am

    Political considerations have always been allowed to trump the Law.

    I’ve seen it so many, many times.

    Ultimately the Law only exists insofar as there is an authority capable of enforcing it.

    Unfortunately, the only authority capable of enforcing the Law is itself the greatest criminal the planet has ever seen.

  262. Chin

    4 Aug, 2010 - 7:20 am

    @somebody at August 3, 2010 4:17 PM

    The page you linked to is not available. Here is the cached page:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/08/20108310240207599.html

  263. ingo

    4 Aug, 2010 - 10:40 am

    Mark, I hope you are so right, but the CFI’s, 80% of Conservative MP’s, will be pressured to support any attack that is led by Israel, don’t you think?

    Right, back to work….

  264. somebody

    4 Aug, 2010 - 11:19 am

    Thanks Chin.

    Some real news and comment on what is happening. Note the Israeli use of white phosphorus at 1,12 in.

    They lust for more bloodshed. Note also the number of suspected Israeli spies within the Lebanon. (towards the end of the video)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE2ORVjLtXk&feature=player_embedded#!

  265. craig

    4 Aug, 2010 - 12:50 pm

    Which Barker is involved in the rape? The one who posts here? Can we prove it? This shows things in a very different light.

    Thnks for your constant support.

  266. glenn

    5 Aug, 2010 - 1:42 am

    The real Craig has certainly been gone a long while. He usually drops by with a brief update if gone for half this time.

  267. somebody

    5 Aug, 2010 - 7:51 am

    Yes I was thinking that. Hope everything is alright.

    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair will be signing his book ‘A Journey’ at Waterstones Piccadilly on 8th September at 1 pm. No doubt his goon squad is in readiness for all eventualities.

    I was contemplating going, writing on the frontispiece ‘In memory of the millions of Iraqis I have helped to kill and maim, and make widow, orphan, deformed and refugee’ and presenting it to him for signature.

    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/

    Random House have of course given him a £4.6 million advance. I hope they do not recover their investment.

    http://www.tonyblairjourney.co.uk/

    The book should be called ‘A Journey to The Hague’.

  268. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    5 Aug, 2010 - 3:16 pm

    I am compelled (sorry) to repost Craig on Cook – a signature piece that makes me proud to know Craig Murray and tempers a depression of the loss of Robin that occasionally comes to the fore…

    I was one of a few enthusiasts in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office who welcomed the arrival of Robin Cook as Foreign Secretary and his declaration of an “Ethical foreign policy”. The majority were hostile and cynical, but not nearly so much as was Tony Blair.

    Within a very few weeks, Blair arranged Robin Cook’s defeat at Cabinet when Cook wanted to stop the export of British Aerospace Hawk jets to the Suharto regime of Indonesia, which has a strong history of vicious repression of its disparate peoples. I was told by a Cabinet Minister who sided with Cook, that Blair managed Cook’s cabinet defeat in as confrontational and humiliating a manner as possible.

    Plainly there would be no ethical foreign policy under Blair, and “New Labour” would be even snugger in bed with the arms industry than the old version. One of Blair’s lead men on Hawks to Indonesia was Jack Straw, who declared in the register of members’ interests that 50% of his election expenses had been paid by Lord Taylor, a Director of British Aerospace.

    By one of life’s sad ironies I was closely involved in an episode which held the ethical foreign policy up to media ridicule, from which it never recovered. A mercenary outfit called Sandline claimed to have been given the go-ahead by the FCO to ship weapons to Sierra Leone, to help President Kabbah recover his country from rebels. The problem was this breached a UN arms embargo. Both the Tory media and the pro-Blair Murdoch media had a frenzy, attacking Cook for claiming to be ethical while breaching UN law.

    In fact, while Sandline had close connections with the British High Commission in Sierra Leone, they were simply lying about being given permission to ship arms. I can say that with certainty, because it was I they claimed gave the permission.

    The storm passed, but ethical foreign policy disappeared as a term of art. The crisis brought me into closer and more intense personal contact with Robin Cook than I might normally have expected, and for that I am grateful.

    His famous gnomic and ginger appearance is much commented upon, but I have never seen anyone describe his eyes, which is a pity. He had really startling eyes, of an extraordinarily light, bright, limpid blue. They absolutely held you, and as you spoke they were searching you out. I found him both funny and kind.

    He had his faults. Very self-obsessed, the first time I ever met him I was kept waiting in his outer office for over three hours. No respecter of persons, he famously once did much the same to Princess Diana (well, maybe not three hours, but a lot longer than she was used to).

    I met him again in Ghana, when he accompanied the Queen on a State Visit. He got so deeply into a conversation with a journalist that he missed the convoy as it departed from a Durbar, and had to be rescued from the massive crowds, having apparently lost interest in what the Queen and the Government of Ghana might be doing.

    At that time, he was interviewing for a new Private Secretary. Deciding that this would be a useful way to fill out the hours spent as a courtier, he had the candidates flown out to Ghana at public expense to be interviewed ?” including at least one candidate, then Head of the FCO’s United Nations Department, whose London office was a thirty second walk from his.

    So I observed him as self-centred and irascible, but at the same time kind, witty and deeply intelligent. I agreed with him on ethical foreign policy, and on the Iraq war. But where we will now miss his influence most of all, was his passionate commitment to individual liberty and balanced democracy.

    Cook was the country’s most influential advocate of proportional representation, the surest safeguard against abuse of power by narrow and unrepresentative government. He also wanted to see executive authority checked by a powerful and fully elected House of Lords. This was the great work of his second ministerial post, as Leader of the House. It should not be forgotten that just as Blair deliberately blocked Cook over ethical foreign policy, so he blocked an elected House of Lords. And Blair blocked it for exactly the reason Cook wanted it, because it would be a brake on the Prime Minister’s authority.

    It amazes me that, when Blair made clear he wanted a largely appointed House of Lords, most people still didn’t tumble to just how power-mad the man is. Now we face proposals to hold people for three months without charge, and to deport people for entering the wrong bookshop or visiting the wrong website. We are to accept “assurances” from murderous regimes that they won’t torture or kill dissidents we hand over to them.

    Blair bangs on as if it wasn’t already illegal to be a terrorist, to kill people, to make or supply bombs or assist those who do. It is noteworthy that the alleged London bomber now charged is facing longstanding laws, like murder and conspiracy to murder, without any need for the raft of new legislation already in place, let alone Blair’s latest proposals.

    What kind of society are we turning into? Blair talks of designating suspect bookshops, and I have just received my fourth official letter from the government reminding me that my own book, which I haven’t even finished yet, is banned from being published.

    Robin Cook was a man of principle and lover of liberty, and he hated all of this. The last, brilliant, Guardian article I read by him was arguing against purchasing a replacement for trident missiles, while claiming that Blair had already taken that decision. He also stated baldly that the policy of Bush and Blair was creating terrorism, not defeating it.

    These are the most dangerous times for liberty in the UK since the government of Lord Liverpool. Those of us who believe freedom is important, face a huge battle over many years, and against great odds. We have lost our best leader.

  269. Neil Murray

    5 Aug, 2010 - 3:46 pm

    My name is NOT Neil Barker, my name is Neil Murray. I am being forged here, so please be very, very careful. Allegations of rape will lead to this site being shut down.

    This is not a threat – it’s a gentle warning.

    So whoever this site belongs to, you’d better delete and apologize quickly.

    I will repost this on all comments that affect me.

  270. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    5 Aug, 2010 - 4:14 pm

    Ingo,

    Six months ago I would probably agreed with you and questioned myself on writing absurd nonsense. A shift, I believe, although of no great proportion, has occurred in world opinion towards Israel’s inhumane policy of the containment of Gaza and her arrogant and aggressive stance on the continuation of settlement building and complete disregard for UNSC resolutions.

    We observed the immediate UN response to the Lebanon border confrontation advising restraint. Barak said that the episode had not been planned by the Lebanese general staff, and that Hezbollah was not a partner to it.

    The UN is fully aware of recent incidents of Israeli drone spying over Lebanon that stand in clear violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701, which ended Israel’s 33-day war against Lebanon in 2006.

    http://www.islamidavet.com/english/2010/07/31/israel-violates-lebanons-airspace-2/

    Iran has condemned the use of these spying machines flying over borders and her latest satellite launched recently contains an ability to plot and record these illegal, interloping, alien, flying observation and elimination bots.

    Some facts known to me about SAS operations in Iraq have dripped into the public domain and Wikileaks have exposed the aggressive slaughter of civilians in Afghanistan – all this and more has caused Britain to ‘advise’ America on the acute need for negotiation and reconciliation with Iran’s theocracy.

  271. Ben Oldfield

    5 Aug, 2010 - 4:28 pm

    I will go to court with Neil on this. Don’t doubt it.

    That doesn’t make me a Zionist troll. It means I won’t be libelled.

    Craig, take notice: unless all offending messages are removed, you are liable.

    And so is anyone who facilitates those messages.

  272. Abe Rene

    5 Aug, 2010 - 9:41 pm

    I wonder what’s happened to Craig.

  273. glenn

    6 Aug, 2010 - 2:31 am

    I wonder if I should send him a text tomorrow, to find out. Don’t want to bug the fellow, but concerned comrades would at least like to know that all is well!

  274. somebody

    6 Aug, 2010 - 12:48 pm

    That’s weird – nothing from him and his previous post about Ramsgate has ben taken off this home page.

    Please someone who knows how to contact him find out if he and Nadira and Cameron are OK.

  275. Suhayl Saadi

    6 Aug, 2010 - 3:13 pm

    As far as I know, Craig Murray is fine, ‘somebody’, Abe and Glenn, please don’t worry.

  276. glenn

    6 Aug, 2010 - 4:06 pm

    Suhayl – thanks. The Ramsgate post hasn’t actually disappeared, it just got rotated around with the new month. It’s still right here:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/07/a_ramsgate_blog.html

  277. dreoilin

    6 Aug, 2010 - 9:31 pm

    Glad to see Suhayl saying Craig is ok.

    It was getting a small bit creepy.

  278. nextus

    7 Aug, 2010 - 12:25 am

    I can report that all is well with the Murrays – they’re just busy, bizy, bizzy. The house in Ramsgate needs a lot of attention.

    Glad to see the nefarious Strawman is stepping down – though I would’ve preferred to see it happen much, much earlier (at gunpoint, if necessary). He was a parody from a political sitcom.

    Minister for Justice?? Just … ice.

    A very cold wind has left the Labour Party at long bloody last.

  279. Richard Robinson

    7 Aug, 2010 - 1:42 am

    “The Ramsgate post hasn’t actually disappeared”

    What makes that happen, is it just a fixed time since it went up ? It looks like it. So if he continues busy with getting the house sorted, we could come here one day and see an empty site ? That would be a bit bizarre. Keep hold of the link, eh ?

    Hello, dreoilin, good to see you back again. I don’t think the gibberish has decreased much though, I’m afraid. As you’ll have seen.

  280. glenn

    7 Aug, 2010 - 2:56 am

    Richard – I wondered about that too, surely it maintains at least the top link!

    CM had mentioned some business with intruders and alarms from his previous posts, and he doesn’t usually disappear for that long. And surely there are a few people around who don’t like him very much. That probably made a few of us concerned, but I’m glad I didn’t bug him – thanks nextus.

    Hats off Mark for your weighing in on the “9/11″ thread. It’s still going on, if anyone wants to see fine example of right wing-nuttery, True Believers, Iraq war apologists and of course, fearless Official Story defenders, you can catch them here:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/the_911_post.html

    Take care, comrades, see you at the end of August. With luck I’ve got something to read while away too, my wife is getting me a book for my birthday… the title involves something to do with a container belonging to someone or other with a biblical sounding name…

  281. Larry from St. Louis

    7 Aug, 2010 - 7:25 am

    “Hats off Mark for your weighing in on the “9/11″ thread. It’s still going on, if anyone wants to see fine example of right wing-nuttery, True Believers, Iraq war apologists and of course, fearless Official Story defenders, you can catch them here:”

    Glenn, once again I have to remind you that Craig Murray called you a “conspiraloon” for believing in that nonsense.

    And you keep going at it. On and on and on and on.

    He must really think you’re an idiot.

    And I have to remind you again that the 911 Truthers in the States are right-wing nuts. Your people started the Tea Party Movement. If Tim McVeigh were alive today, he’d be parroting the same bullshit that you parrot.

  282. For the restless, not the true believers, this one's for you

    7 Aug, 2010 - 8:56 am

    Craig need to get back soon to this as some wonk calling himself Alex is loading this blog’s archive with porn links…

  283. Suhayl Saadi

    7 Aug, 2010 - 9:01 am

    Have a great holiday, Glen, enjoy! (that’s not spam, btw, that’s just me).

  284. somebody

    7 Aug, 2010 - 9:24 am

    The links to ‘Ramsgate’ and ‘Main’ have now disappeared from the front page.

    Nextus – are you in contact with Craig? Does he know that the site is being attacked?

  285. Anonymous

    7 Aug, 2010 - 11:41 am

    “Richard – I wondered about that too, surely it maintains at least the top link!”

    Heh. The very next morning …

  286. Clark

    7 Aug, 2010 - 12:27 pm

    Hello all,

    I don’t like the inactivity on this blog. I’d really appreciate e-mails from regular contributors here; use the link on my name. I promise not to pass on e-mail addresses unless you specifically ask me to, by e-mail and here at nearly the same time, and then not for a few days.

    Somebody,

    I’ve texted Craig. I’ll post if I get a reply.

  287. Clark

    7 Aug, 2010 - 12:38 pm

    I do advise everyone to maintain appropriate skepticism – unless a contributor has their own blog or something, something that only they can alter or update, you can’t tell that any comment here is actually from the person whose name it carries. For instance, I’m going to place confirmation of this post and my previous post on my web page. Without that independent confirmation, this message could have been from anyone.

  288. Anonymous

    7 Aug, 2010 - 1:57 pm

    Clark @ 12:38 – that’s a really good technique. A bit heavyweight for casual use, but good solid confirmation when/if it’s ever needed (given also that in extreme cases people might need to check the address behind the link. Anybody can set up a website and write anything they want to on it …) Nice, thanks.

    Inactivity … I dunno. The post we’re commenting on starts with a remark about wanting a break, so we don’t have any fresh meat to chew on. (We haven’t really made much of the topics it offers, but this often happens. And, as usual, there have been a rich variety of diversions on offer.) Personally, I just haven’t got much to say, I’m all taken up just now in the world of perl Makefiles, SQL indexing, and other such fascinating delights.

  289. Clark

    7 Aug, 2010 - 2:15 pm

    “” at 2010 1:57 PM,

    thanks, and yes, checking the link address is important. The URL of my link is

    http://www.killick1.plus.com/home.html

    I shall be monitoring my own web page to check that it hasn’t been altered except by myself. It’s OK as of now. I texted Craig and have received no reply so far, but yes, he did say he’d be busy, and setting up a new home is demanding.

    I propose a petition to Craig to introduce username / password registration required to comment at this site. I’m fed up with all the impersonation that has been happening.

  290. Anonymous

    7 Aug, 2010 - 2:58 pm

    “I propose a petition to Craig to introduce username / password registration required to comment at this site. I’m fed up with all the impersonation that has been happening.”

    A caveat – I vaguely remember, way back several years ago (before it went offshore, I think) there was some kind of registration scheme here, which utterly baffled me; you had to sign up with something elsewhere, and it just plain didn’t work for me, I tried to comment and couldn’t. If that’s what his bloggy-software is going to do, I wouldn’t want it to come back.

    But hopefully things aren’t like that these days, it ought to be possible to expect a registration scheme to Just Work. Given that, I’d second such a request (while feeling faintly importunate about it, given that he’s got more important things to do). I agree that this impersonation stuff is a pest and that requiring a login would do a lot to improve things.

    I notice that your web-site technique becomes closer to absolute for anyone who’s registered their own domain. Like, anyone who has access to whois can verify that “qualmograph.org.uk” is registered to someone who calls himself “Richard Robinson”, and has been for several years. I ought to play with this and give a suitable link here, but it’s time to go out & buy some food.

  291. mark golding - children of Iraq

    7 Aug, 2010 - 4:10 pm

    PUBLIC WARNING

    The ‘deep government’ propaganda machine, somewhat diluted as of late in Britain, but nevertheless alive and kicking produced this video. An informer who cannot be named but connected to MI5 has jokingly told me of this, ‘somewhat laughable and bizarre distraction of the truth behind the murder of Dr David Kelly.

    (YouChewed)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRsgTHIsovc

  292. mark golding - children of Iraq

    7 Aug, 2010 - 4:26 pm

    Moving closer to the demise of Dr David Kelly:

    http://www.anthraxwar.com/1/?p=317

  293. Clark

    7 Aug, 2010 - 5:19 pm

    I’ve just been speaking to Suhayl Saadi on the ‘phone, and can confirm that he did indeed make the posts above at August 6, 2010 3:13 PM and August 7, 2010 9:01 AM. He has been in contact with Craig via e-mail; all seems to be well.

  294. dreoilin

    7 Aug, 2010 - 5:53 pm

    Hi Richard! Good to ‘see’ you again.

    Clark, I agree about registration. Same caveat about Craig and time … I wonder would it mean moving the whole blog. But registering an email address and having to confirm it would greatly lessen impersonations, I would think.

    I’ve just heard that an online friend of many years standing is in intensive care having been viciously assaulted during the week – he’s unconscious with skull fractures. I’m in real shock. I’ll be back when I regain my equilibrium, DV.

  295. Suhayl Saadi

    7 Aug, 2010 - 6:16 pm

    Very sorry to hear that, dreoilin, that’s dreadful. I do hope your friend recovers soon.

    Yes, Mark, I agree with you that the ‘Masonic’ video is not helpful to the continuing questions over David Kelly’s death. The Porton Down documentary is fascinating though – and terrifying.

  296. mark golding - children of Iraq

    7 Aug, 2010 - 6:29 pm

    Special Treat

    Having acquired about 500Kg of wheat grain and a wheat grinder I searched the web and found 22 recipes to make stone ground whole wheat bread.

    You need:

    5Kg bag of wheat

    Hand Grinder

    bread-maker

    Ingredients as per recipe here:

    http://www.coia.org.uk/pdf/22Recipes.pdf

    Good food for survival – smells great, tastes delicious, full of fibre and vitamins.

    Enjoy!

  297. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    7 Aug, 2010 - 7:43 pm

    Murdered civilians in Afghanistan – The story revealed – The truth from a Sangin residents – toddler girl 2yrs old – baby boy 3 months old both torn to pieces; many women and children die.

    Please distribute this grave video.

    Many thanks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4m6tQudSpI

  298. Clark

    7 Aug, 2010 - 8:40 pm

    Dreoilin,

    I’m very sorry to hear about your friend; I wish him a speedy recovery. My best wishes to you, too.

    Clark

  299. Suhayl Saadi

    7 Aug, 2010 - 10:22 pm

    Conspiraloony? I think not. The main reason to worry is, largely, one of personality. The Times runs a quote to the effect that Gereral Ashfaq Kayani (aka the man in the moon) is behind the decision to cancel the intelligence trip, and that he has been “angered” by Cameroon. As the man who Ahmed Rashid describes as “the most powerful man in Pakistan” in this week’s Spectator, Kayani has a key role to play in the deadly game that is being played over Afghanistan. He is said to working ceaselessly towards a Pakistan-friendly regime in Kabul, and that goal most likely involves making concessions to the Taliban. Anything which pushes him further away from the West, and closer to the West’s enemies, could make those concessions even greater.

    Or is it all brakespeak and cheap innuendo from the Zionists?

  300. Suhayl Saadi

    7 Aug, 2010 - 10:32 pm

    After a worrying period I called Craig. I didn’t want to do it as I knew he was busy. I’m glad I did. I heard worrying things.

    How is this possible: bugs were discovered including a tiny, professional webcam in the master bedroom specifically aligned for blackmail and embarrassment. These devices are well known to some of us and cannot be bought at Walmart.

    Now his entire house will have to be swept.

  301. somebody

    7 Aug, 2010 - 10:57 pm

    What nonsense Suhayl Saadi’s impostor writes.

    PS Your website ‘links’ don’t work!

  302. somebody

    7 Aug, 2010 - 11:14 pm

  303. nextus

    8 Aug, 2010 - 12:57 am

    That bugging stuff is pure invention, as I’m astute readers have discerned. It’s clearly the work of an impostor; it falls far short of Suhayl’s usual standards.

    I’ve been in touch with the Murrays again this evening, and all is very well. Craig’s attention is simply focused elsewhere, for very good reasons. He will post a lead article in due course. In the meantime, be wary of cheap imitations.

  304. nextus

    8 Aug, 2010 - 1:04 am

    That bugging stuff is pure invention, as I’m sure astute readers have discerned. It’s clearly the work of an impostor; it falls far short of Suhayl’s usual standards.

    I’ve been in touch with the Murrays again this evening, and all is very well. Craig’s attention is simply focused elsewhere, for very good reasons. He will post a lead article in due course. In the meantime, be wary of cheap imitations.

  305. dreoilin

    8 Aug, 2010 - 2:41 am

    ‘Walmart’ says it all.

  306. somebody

    8 Aug, 2010 - 12:01 pm

    Life is so cheap in Afghanistan, just $5,000 per corpse.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/06/germany-to-pay-5000-each-for-civilians-killed-in-kunduz-attack/

    and in China too

    We’ll never know the names of all the people who paid with their limbs, their lungs or their lives for the goodies in my home and yours

    And Now for Some Good News

    By Johann Hari

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-and-now-for-some-good-news-2044578.html

  307. GORDON

    24 Aug, 2010 - 9:04 pm

    Try this:

    HANSARD JUNE 22 1993 from Col 197

    The Labour Party exposing the Tory Fraud and overcharge to the Treasury for £17.8 Million

    For a UOR request from Stephan Kock of ASTRA vis Peter Lilley at the DTI for the purchase from ARMSCOR of 3 “CYLINDERS” which were 3 Pelindaba Pretoria, Battlefield Nuclear Warhead Bombs.

    The person the Conservatives entrusted with this Covert Criminal Act:

    Dr David Kelly.

    Now, here’s a few facts, I’m sure 99.9% of people have never even looked at.

    ASTRA HOLDINGS PTY LTD

    is in fact the company once controlled by:

    Gerald James, Christopher Cowley and the assassinated BULL.

    ASTRA better known for SRC (Space Research Company)

    The IRAQ SUPERGUN and HARP.

    As per Gerald James affidavit.

    ASTRA was infiltrated by MI6 and in particular: STEPHAN KOCK.

    Now, ASTRA had a network of Subsidiaries, among them BEMARC and these excellent Citizens as Directors:

    JONATHAN AITKEN

    and

    SIR MARK THATCHER

    Another recorded Subsidiary: ACCUDYNE

    Now, here’s the Cracker>

    ACCUDYNE is a 100% Subsidiary of:

    ALLIANT TECHSYSTEMS CORP

    The Directors of which are ALL

    BUSH and CLINTON affiliates.

    Among them:

    Ambassador FRANCES D COOK

    Ambassador FRANCES D COOK is also a Director of:

    LONRHO and the LONRHO Group

    22 ARLINGTON STREET. LONDON SW1A 1RD

    Ambassador FRANCES D COOK is also a

    Director of:

    ARLINGTON ASSOCIATES LTD

    Which is aligned to and Sponsored By:

    LONRHO and LONRHO Group

    ARLINGTON ASSOCIATES LTD

    Directors are recorded as:

    ex SAS Commander ALDWIN J G WRIGHT

    who is also Commander Special Forces OMAN. ex Senior Director of:

    KROLL SECURITY, which was the Security Company overseeing the WTC at the time of 9/11

    ex SAS Commander MARK BLAGBROUGH

    ex Senior Director KROLL Security

    Senior Military Advisor for the MOD

    Senior Director for LLOYDS in

    IRAQ.

    SAS Commander ALDWIN J G WIGHT and

    SAS Commander MARK BLAGBROUGH

    are the close affiliates of:

    ex SAS Commander SIMON MANN

    ex SAS Comander RICHARD WILLIAMS

    RUPERT BOWEN

    Gen SIR MICHAEL WILKES

    JUSTIN LONGLEY, nephew of MI6

    Sir RICHARD DEARLOVE

    GEOFFREY WHITE: LONRHO and LONRHO GROUP

    Office of SHEIKH AL THANI.

    Now, many of you may better remember back in 2001, the BBC and the United Nations Had a little run in with:

    ORYX NATURAL RESOURCES

    The Directors

    SHEIKH THAMER AL SHANFARI

    Ambassador FRANCES D COOK

    and

    GEOFFREY WHITE

    They were accused of being affiliated with TERRORIST GROUPS and using front companies to fund:

    ROBERT MUGABE and his ZDF and assisting them with Covert Weapons Supplies and Munitions so the ZDF could slaughter a few million in the DRC (Democratic Republic of the Congo.)

    In return for:

    DRC, Seirra Leone, Libya “BLOOD” Diamond, GOLD, URANIUM, COBALT, COLTAN, SILVER Mining Claims.

    ARLINGTON ASSOCIATES LIMITED

    Operates out of this prestigious address

    22 ARLINGTON STREET, LONDON SW1A 1RD

    Attached to the RITZ

    Affiliated to Mohamed AL FAYED

    DODI FAYED and MOHAMED ADNAN KHASHOGGI.

    Oh, Blast, Forgot to mention DIANA.

    Never, I don’t believe it, not another Direct LINK to another ACCIDENT.

    This address is also the same service address affiliated to over 300 AIM L.S.E. “EXPLORATION” Director Only CASH SHELLS, OIL & GAS, Diamond, Gold, Silver, Coltan, Cobalt, Uranium, Zinc, Copper, Coal and Hedge Fund Financing FRONTS.

    and

    22 ARLINGTON STREET. LONDON SW1A 1RD

    is the same address as:

    ZURICH FINANCIAL SERVICES

    Who employ.

    ex PRIME MINISTER TONY BLAIR.

    Coincidence : My AR-SE

  308. Larissa

    28 Aug, 2010 - 9:28 pm

    Craig. DIPLOMACIA SUJA changed me… Your book opened my eyes to see this peace of the world… so real… . I don’t have words to explain you really I thank you. a big kiss from Brasil. Lari (ps. I will write you on the future. the world need person as you to change direction)

  309. Mariana Carrera

    22 Oct, 2010 - 2:08 am

    Just bought the portuguese version and i’m excited to read it. many thanks from brazil.

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