Counter-Revolution

by craig on July 4, 2013 8:49 am in Uncategorized

What we are seeing in Egypt is counter-revolution pure and simple, military hardliners who are going to be friendly with Israel and the US, and are committing gross human rights abuse.

Western backed counter-revolution is going to be sweeping back across the Middle East; do not be distracted by the words of the West, watch the deeds.  It will of course be in the name of secularism.  There is an important correlation between what is happening in Turkey and Egypt.  I made myself unpopular when I pointed out what the media did not tell you, that behind the tiny minority of doe-eyed greens in the vanguard of the Istanbul movement, stood the massed phalanxes of kemalist nationalism, a very ugly beast.  “Secularism” was the cry there too.

 

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  1. Flaming June

    4 Jul, 2013 - 9:00 am

    The same title of your previous post can be reused.

  2. Tech Savage

    4 Jul, 2013 - 9:31 am

    You have this all arse about tit. The Egyptians have removed the Western created Muslim Brotherhood stooge for the continued blockade of the Gaza strip and for openly supporting the terrorists attempting to destabilise Syria. Turkey’s Erdogan worked this out afte popular dissent and immediately stopped assisting in Syria’s destruction, which is why CIA efforts are now centred on Jordan.

    Then again, you are someone who seem to believe the media provided accounts of the lives of Assange and Snowdon, instead of recognising blatant media hype which has no substance. Anyone that knows a jot about intelligence agencies knows that it is impossible for anyone, let alone a part-time contractor like Snowdon, to have a full list of US overseas agents as he claims. He’s well publicised procrastinations, accusations and claims are beyond believable, which is why no nation is taking him in.

    If you learn some decent history you will understand today’s events much better. Why not start with the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, see how it has been run and controlled by one Western intelligence agency after another since it’s founding in the 20’s by the British intelligence services. See how many times the entire leadership has been executed or assassinated only to rise up again like a phoenix, ready to provided a casus belli whenever needed. In fact, that is the template for the vast majority of these Western created, funded and controlled ‘terrorists’, from the Muslim Brotherhood of the 20s to Al Qaeda of the 90s.

  3. Before any crisis there is the subversion of the indigenous culture.

    The irony is that agencies which contrive subversion, in order to supplant the present culture with their own, also help their opponents reassert the old regime with even more gusto; turning a corrupted regime into a totalitarian one.

    Benazir Bhutto tried to ‘stabilize’ Afganistan after the Russians withdrew, by unleashing the Taliban. What we are seeing in Egypt is a competition between the ‘stabilizing’ forces: those who want to rule via the cleric, verses those who want to rule by the clerk. Either way it’s the difference between Sodom or Gomorrah.

  4. I made myself unpopular when I pointed out what the media did not tell you, that behind the tiny minority of doe-eyed greens in the vanguard of the Istanbul movement, stood the massed phalanxes of kemalist nationalism, a very ugly beast. “Secularism” was the cry there too.

    Excuse me, but “secularism” has been the cry in Turkey for the last eighty years. It’s an article of faith. Erdogan’s move to the religious zone is as much as anything due to the consistent refusal of the EU to grant Turkey’s human rights infringements the same indulgent smile with which it treats other acceding states. He has to look East for markets, and to do that, he has to look nonsecular. It will be to the West’s ultimate disadvantage to have a Turkic power bloc with Islamist sympathies, true, but the West has encouraged this in every way possible to date.

    “Massed phalanxes”…rather like talking about the “massed phalanxes” of Brits who eat MacDonalds. Or those in the 1950’s who believed Britain was a major world power; the superiority of Kemal’s vision is absorbed via mother’s milk and a rather efficient Gove-style education system.

    I would not dare make snide remarks about Kemal in Turkey – not so much because it is actually illegal to do so, but because any random citizen in whose hearing I uttered the insult would likely perform some rough justice of his own, with the approbation of most of his neighbours. Spontaneously.

  5. Tech Savage

    4 Jul, 2013 - 9:45 am

    Although still off limits in the UK press it is widely known, and even officially acknowledged to some extent via references to ‘steak knife’ and his revelations, that Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams were working for MI5 whilst running both wings of the IRA. Does that tell you anything? Can you work it out? Can you see the lengths the UK went to to prevent a popular movement for Irish reunification from taking hold, they created the IRA to discredit those legitimate calls by associating them with violence and murder and said they had to stay there to protect the ‘loyal’ population. This is how governments operate.

  6. This article claims that the cause of the riots in Turkey were brought about by a plan to turn the last green park in Istanbul into a shopping mall with mosque. Now I do know there are no shortages of mosques in Istanbul.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2013/06/24/turkeys-unrest-a-fight-for-secularism/#sthash.5ZBK4uXT.dpuf

    “The protests were touched off by the news that the government variously planned to erect a replica of Ottoman-era military barracks, a shopping mall and mosque in Taksim Square, where Istanbul’s last green space is located in Gezi Park.”

    My opposition to the persecution of Islam, which is a very serious issue, is often spoken. But who is best-placed to take Turkey forward, Erdogan or a secular opposition, I don’t know. While I agree that the Neocon-Zionists are happy so long as unrest is fomented all over the middle-East, there is nothing to rule out the same kind of grass-roots student movement being behind the Turkish demonstrations, as there were in Tiananmen Square and Kent State University.

  7. Good to see UKIP has ideas beyond their more familiar EU-containment objectives

    http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/3677/with-syria-cameron-is-following-blairs-folly-in-iraq#comment

  8. @Tech Savage

    Is it as controlled and contrived as you suggest or could be we are simply over egging the mix to suit our taste?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinegar_tasters

    Thanks for you opinions.

  9. Oh no, we can’t have Egypt enjoying friendly relations with Israel and the US. Far better they sacrifice another 5,000 to 10,000 of their young men every now and again in a pointless war.

    Can human rights abuses in the name of secularism be any worse than the human rights abuses carried out in the name of sharia law as that increasingly appears to be the alternative?

  10. Current situation in the mid east is similar to the sixties’ Latin America. The counter revolution to the Colour Revolution is designed only to further entrench Mubarak brand of leadership, that was deviated from by the Mursi crew. No deviation from the path can be tolerated, hence Mursi is paying the price, he is back in the jail, and his Islamic Brotherhood is back on the hit list, as it used to be.

    Our sycophantic corporate media have reported the carefully choreographed “neo revolution” along with package showing the stooges waving photos of the general in chief, and passed it on as “Revolution” again! The simple fact that Mursi was elected by plebiscite post the 1st colour revolution, and now he has been kicked out in the act two of the revolution going a “neo”.

    – – – – –

    Tech Savage said;

    The Egyptians have removed the Western created Muslim Brotherhood stooge for the continued blockade of the Gaza strip and for openly supporting the terrorists attempting to destabilise Syria.

    Muslim brotherhood have been around in Egypt for a long while, since 1928. Although it has always been persecuted in Egypt based on the zero tolerance doctrine of any perceived opposition to the good old Western brand “Capitalism” (more like Plutocracy, letting few lottery winners at random to share the wealth, now and then).

    The earlier Arab Spring itself was a “colour revolution”, that is now further refined; Mubarak is gone, long live the Generals. The simple fact that Mursi had to borrow from Qatar because he could not borrow from anywhere else, is the roots of his denouncement of the Syrian government.

    Further, careful sifting of the corporate media reports, clarify, chief among the Mursi deviance was; appointing a governor to Luxor, whom in his youth had attacked tourists with stones and rocks, as well as taking other uncalled for measures that the Western powers did not like very much; presto he is kicked out!

  11. @ Jay:
    You forgot the ladies…

    http://data.ukiyo-e.org/mfa/images/sc202866.jpg

  12. Komodo, looks more like dragon-soup than vinegar!

  13. Well I am shocked, shocked I tell you, Shocked as Shocked can be; I am a prophet, I can foretell the future, as I have found out:

    Egypt’s military issues arrest warrants for Muslim Brotherhood

    military rulers have issued arrest warrants for up to 300 members of the Muslim Brotherhood hours after ousting elected president Mohamed Morsi and taking him and his aides into military custody.

    Mind the Generals were a bit slow off the mark, it took them nearly twelve hours before they started shoving the Bredas back into their cells. Democracy indeed has arrived back on the land of the Pharaohs!

  14. I hope you will laugh at this as much as I did:

    We have to recognise new Egypt regime

    “The important thing is for political leaders and others are needed to work together in a way they haven’t done over the last year, to bring in the checks and balances that should be there in a constitution that’s respected by all, to make sure elections that are respected by all and to make urgent improvements to the Egyptian economy.”

    “We recognise states, not governments, a recognised state of Egypt, we have to work with whoever is in authority in Egypt,” he added.

    Billy fourteen pints talking out of both sides of his mouth, or is that; both his mouths?

  15. Can human rights abuses in the name of secularism be any worse than the human rights abuses carried out in the name of sharia law as that increasingly appears to be the alternative?

    Funny you should mention that. This was released yesterday.

    http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/47d4e277b48d9d3685256ddc00612265/bc81fa86c7f41f6385257b9d0049448a?OpenDocument

    Abuses are abuses, and are carried out by all jurisdictions. There’s no moral high ground.

  16. I am glad that an Islamist government has been put out of business. I hope that the next one to be elected will not be dominated by the MB, who would try to introduce an Islamist constitution.

  17. Kemal nationalism is indeed an ugly beast, but the fact remains that Taksim Square was going to be redeveloped without adequate public consultation. It is an important central public space. The government made a serious mistake. It is a pity that it did so, but it did so. It will have to be more careful in future, and it knows it.

  18. Billy fourteen pints talking out of both sides of his mouth, or is that; both his mouths?

    Tactful of you not to mention forked tongues, Passerby. I appreciate that.

    Me, I’m thinking the print media need a special font for Hague’s pronouncements. You can read it from left to right, or you can read it from right to left.

  19. You are welcome Komodo, don’t mention it, and your font suggestion ought to be heeded wherever/whenever Billy fourteen pints is busy making pronouncements.

    Boy they are all at it this morning:

    Obama on little bit of a coup Egyptian leader’s ouster

    President Obama did not call for ousted Morsi to be returned to power, nor did he condemn the Egyptian military for forcing him out of office and suspending the constitution.

    Is that because:

    The acknowledgement of a military coup would trigger automatic cuts in U.S. aid to the strategically important North African country.

  20. Billy Hague is full of sh*t. On Democracy Now, the military road map was explained thus: 1) remove elected leader, 2) destroy the nascent constitution, c) install nice man in military uniform on a ‘temporary’ basis.

    I believe this is otherwise generally known as a ‘coup’. Marx would call it a counter-revolution perhaps, but let’s not get too hung up on descriptions. It’s a bunch of military types taking over, and they aren’t generally the most trustworthy bunch, are they? This isn’t to justify the rule of Morsi, and to denigrate the genuine bravery of the Egyptian people on the streets, it just merely looks like the Egyptian military are playing the long-game – and Billy Hague will support them to the hilt. As usual.

  21. It must be remembered that Morsi was unable to take off as President until Killery Clinton flew into Cairo and uprooted Tantawi overnight as Head of the Egyptian Army. In effect the Great Satan has engineered a “heads I win,tails you lose” coup of its own! A dead give away will be the transfer of Mubarak to better lodgings.

  22. …military hardliners who are going to be friendly with Israel…

    Morsi was pretty damn co-operative for an insane jihadi threat to all we hold dear, though, wasn’t he? Destroyed Gaza tunnels, moved the army into Sinai to deal with AQ elements, brokered the ceasefire after the last turkey shoot in Gaza. As much as the army did, and will, he needed the US hush money.

    Nor is the coup entirely unforeseen – this from November last year:

    Egyptians feel strongly about what they see as decades of suffering by the Palestinians at the hands of Israel. Their opposition to Israel runs deep after four full-blown wars with it in six decades. A resumption of Israeli attacks on Gaza, for example, could land Morsi in hot water with the Egyptian public.

    Also, Morsi has to contend with growing criticism by critics that his preoccupation with Gaza pulled him away from pressing issues at home.

    More than 50 children were killed last week when their school bus was hit by a train at a railway crossing in southern Egypt, an incident that led to charges of negligence against Morsi’s government. Street protests against his policies and the Brotherhood left one person dead and hundreds wounded in Cairo since Monday. Charges of illegitimacy now swirl around a panel drafting a new constitution after liberals and Christians pulled out in protest against the domination of the process by Morsi’s Islamist allies.

    On top of that, Egypt announced Tuesday it reached an initial understanding with the International Monetary Fund for a $4.8 billion loan to kick-start the ailing economy. Egypt will have to reduce subsidies from basic items like fuel, risking social unrest over price hikes.

    “Morsi’s popularity can’t go on eroding like this forever” without a backlash, said rights activist Mohsen Kamal. “He is vulnerable to dramatic and maybe even violent changes if he ignores what is happening.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/21/morsi-gaza-ceasefire_n_2173589.html

  23. doug scorgie

    4 Jul, 2013 - 1:43 pm

    Tech Savage
    4 Jul, 2013 – 9:31 am

    “Anyone that knows a jot about intelligence agencies knows that it is impossible for anyone, let alone a part-time contractor like Snowdon, to have a full list of US overseas agents as he claims.”

    Has Snowden claimed that?

    Do you have any references?

  24. doug scorgie

    4 Jul, 2013 - 2:14 pm

    Abe Rene
    4 Jul, 2013 – 12:02 pm

    “I am glad that an Islamist government has been put out of business. I hope that the next one to be elected will not be dominated by the MB, who would try to introduce an Islamist constitution.”

    Sorry Abe but democracy is democracy; the people choose their government through the ballot box.

    Do you believe that because the US/UK/Israel don’t like the election winners of a country they have a right to force out that elected government?

    The same thing happened in Palestine when Hamas was elected; the same thing was attempted in Venezuela in 2002.

    Democracy is considered a dangerous thing by the ruling corporate/political elites of the world.

  25. A predictable counter revolution, so looks to me as though it’s all going to plan in Egypt. Things are well on track for the partition of the country.

  26. Cross-posting from previous thread and off-topic – sorry, but I’d dearly love to hear other people’s take on this:

    Bolivia has REJECTED a formal US extradition request for Snowden:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-04/bolivia-rejects-u-s-request-for-snowden-following-flight-detour.html

    Note, too, that of the list of 21 countries that have applications for asylum from Snowden, the sidebar on this BBC article today says that only 4 have so far formally said No; the majority are fence-sitting, awaiting developments:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23174874

    Of which, there’s a good possibility some will come from the 12-nation bloc of UNASUR holding an emergency summit today, who can now co-ordinate a response as a strong enough bloc to resist trade threats. This letters page from the Guardian makes clear what Ecuador’s actual position is, as well as why so very many of those applications were aimed at European nations, who all have very compliant extradition treaties with the US – so it would seem odd at first – but who now, with the brilliantly timed stories of NSA spying on EU business, can be pressured to act as a bloc (which is clearly happening and having some effect – the US-EU trade treaty negotiations been completely disrupted):

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/sovereignty-stake-snowden-saga

    There’s a VERY clever game of geopolitic chess being played here and, of course, it’s Wikileaks who are the ones who’ve been busy plotting all the Knight and Queen moves…

    God, I would give my eye-teeth to know who exactly put out that *rumour* that Snowden was on Morales’ plane to be picked up by the intelligence services and kick off this unholy fuck-up in intercontinental political relations. Oh, what’s that you say? Ecuador found a bug in their London embassy three weeks ago…?

    Ahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahha!

  27. I think things are rather more complex – not to say convoluted – than Craig intimates. If secularism really is the Western ‘cry’ in Middle-Eastern affairs, how to explain what is going on in Syria?; or for that matter, how to explain the fact that medieval absolutist monarchies remain the bulwark of the West’s allies (and armaments customers) in the Middle East?

    Fact is that the only ‘ism’ driving Western policy in the ME or anywhere else for that matter, is Machiavellianism, pure and simple, in all its evil. If the West can’t have a fawning, compliant government (of ANY political stipe) in place, why then engineered turmoil will serve its purposes nearly aswell (and the security/armaments industries handsomly) thank you very much. What absolutely cannot be tolerated is any government that declines to see things the West’s way.

  28. Here’s Shamir Amin’s take on events in his country:
    Samir Amin, Egyptian philosopher and economist, director of the Third World Forum in Dakar, talks about the last year in Egypt with the Brotherhood in power, interviewed by Giuseppe Acconcia.

    On 30 June 2012, Mohammed Morsi took over as the Mubarak successor. However, on the occasion of the first anniversary of the Muslim Brothers’ victory when this interview took plave, bloody clashes broke out in the country.

    Acconcia: What do you think about the Tamarod’s campaign?

    Samir Amin: The Tamarod’s campaign for the Morsi dismissal is magnificent. Millions of people signed their names after giving deep political consideration to what they were doing: something totally ignored by the international mainstream media. They represent the majority of all the electoral constituencies, but they do not have any voice. The Muslim Brothers wield political power and like to think they can control 100% of the votes. Thus, they ensured members of the movement in every public sector. Their way of managing the country is informed by a type of crony capitalism which simply does not leave any room for the opposition figures and technocrats who had some power even in the Mubarak era.

    A: This is happening during the worst economic crisis of recent decades

    Samir Amin: There is more than an economic crisis. Islamists have only ultraliberal answers to give to the crisis: they have replaced the capitalists’ bourgeois clique that were Mubarak’s friends with reactionary businessmen. Moreover, their goal is quite simply to sell off public goods. The Brotherhood is hated by Egyptians because it continues with the same policies as its predecessor.

    A: Maybe worse in the case of the Islamic Finance Bill?

    Samir Amin: It is theft to attach derisory prices to goods that are worth billions of dollars. These are not the usual privatizations that reactionary regimes indulge in, selling off goods at their economic value. This is pure fraud more than a privatization.

    A: Recalling the stages of this year with the Brotherhood in power – Morsi won after eight days of uncertainty and finally the elimination of the Nasserist, Hamdin Sabbahi, in the first round. Were the 2012 presidential elections manipulated?

    Samir Amin: There was massive electoral fraud. Hamdin Sabbahi could have passed into the second round, but the US Embassy did not want it. European observers listened to their American diplomatic counterparts and turned a blind eye to the fraud involved. Moreover, the five million votes for Sabbahi were squeaky clean and highly motivated. On the other hand, the five million votes for Morsi came from the most wretched part of the population, devoid of political conscience: the votes of people willing to be bought off for a piece of bread and a glass of milk.

    A: But would you agree that the sharpest clashes between the presidency and demonstrators broke out last November as a consequence of the presidential decree that extended Morsi’s powers?

    Samir Amin: Morsi got going with a few weeks of demagogic speechifying, promising to listen to the other political contestants. After that, it soon became clear the extent to which the President was a puppet with the Gulf countries pulling the strings out of sight. He became a mere instrument of the murshid’s will – that of Mohammed Badie, Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    A: The historic support to the Palestinians had been shelved as well?

    Samir Amin: The Egyptian Muslim Brothers support Israel, like the Gulf countries and Qatar do. They have always adopted an anti-Zionist discourse, but this was just an ongoing deception. The Qatari Emir, for example, is quite used to saying one thing and then doing the opposite, given the complete absence of public opinion. Now Egypt is supporting the worst type of opposition in Syria, as do the most reactionary western powers. The end result is that the majority of the western weapons furnished to the rebels are being used to finance the very worst outcome in Syria.

    A: Is this why Morsi supported the creation of a Free Trade Area in the Sinai, favouring an economic relationship with Israel?

    Samir Amin: This is a huge loss to Egypt. The effects of the new Free Trade Area will not be the imagined industrialization of the region, but the perpetration of a huge fiscal fraud. This will strengthen small mafias and the dismantling of public assets. In the end, the Brotherhood would accept all the conditions of the International Monetary Fund and the expected loan will accordingly come to fruition despite the fact that corruption and financial scandal have spread all over the country.

    A: So how do you see the acceptance of the Constitution written by the Muslim Brotherhood, last December?

    Samir Amin: This is a dictatorship of the majority. However, judges put up the strongest and indeed an unprecedented fight against the ratification of the constitutional referendum results. But it is clear that the ultimate goal of Freedom and Justice (the political party of the Brotherhood) is to build-up a theocracy on the Iranian model.

    A: To conclude, is there anything left to preserve in this year of Morsi’s presidency?

    Samir Amin: The lumpen proletariat is easily manipulated, and a fortiori would not obtain anything by the upheaval Morsi’s overthrow will bring. Moreover, the division of power the Brotherhood has with the army who is behind the scenes, ready to intervene, is full of ambiguity. The military personnel, as a class, are corrupt – a corruption guaranteed by American help, and carefully composed of segments of different classes, divided into political currents, many of them close to the Brotherhood and the Salafists.

    However, with normal elections, with a period of democratic preparation, the Brotherhood will be beaten. But if this is not going to happen, next October there will be a more repressive climate and the vote will be manipulated by widespread falsification as happened on the previous occasion.

  29. Dominic Clissold

    4 Jul, 2013 - 3:10 pm

    Craig, hope you are well. As someone married to a Turk, currently living in Turkey, and having lived inTurkey for 15 years on and off, I have say your analysis of the Gezi Park protests is so off the mark to be laughable! Happy to enter into a private discourse as to why your picture is so flawed.

  30. The US is clearly in headless-chicken mode. Which leads us to assume that what Snowden hasn’t released yet could mean the end of civilisation. *opens popcorn*

  31. Mine@ 3.10 – in response to Arbed, sorry.

  32. Snaps from the front:

    http://directorblue.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/15-photos-from-tahrir-square-protests.html

    Looks like more and more people are wising up to how it all works.

    Much good analysis on this thread. Thanks for that.

  33. Flaming June

    4 Jul, 2013 - 3:49 pm

    How is it that the Eqyptian air force manage to fly their aircraft with laser pens shining at them, yet in the US and here, it is a crime to direct laser beams at aircraft?

    Laser pens light up Egypt protests
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-23178484

    Man gets 30 months in prison for shining laser at plane
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21939795

  34. Flaming June

    4 Jul, 2013 - 3:54 pm

    The US Ambassador to Egypt is having a difficult time of it according to the NYT.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/world/middleeast/ambassador-becomes-focus-of-egyptians-mistrust-of-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    She’s been everywhere, man…… UN, El Salvador, Pakistan, Andean Countries.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_W._Patterson

  35. It’s probably a crime there, too. Not only does it (at best) destroy the pilot’s night vision temporarily, it makes taking snapshots of people on the ground a rather uncertain process. Those are pretty powerful laser pens, btw, judging by the brightness of the beams.

  36. Flaming June

    4 Jul, 2013 - 4:00 pm

    Conditions for the Palestinians at Rafah have worsened.

    Rafah border crossing open for humanitarian cases
    Egypt Independent – 1 hour ago

    Egyptian army demolishes tunnels with Gaza
    Middle East Monitor – 5 minutes ago

    Palestinians suffer restrictions at Rafah border ahead of Egypt’s protests
    Ahram Online – 4 days ago

  37. How is it that the Eqyptian air force manage to fly their aircraft with laser pens shining at them, yet in the US and here, it is a crime to direct laser beams at aircraft?

    Did you notice the total nonsense in this paragraph?

    The pilot of a Cessna Citation plane preparing to land at Bob Hope Airport in Burbank suffered “vision impairment that lasted for hours” after the incident, according to a statement from the Office of the United States Attorney Central District of California.

    The helicopter pilot, who had been wearing protective eye gear, was uninjured.

    Where did the helicopter come from?

    Probably a laser was shun into the eyes of the operative who was typing away the nonsense, because he/she was not wearing The protective headgear worn by the helicopter pilot that was beamed by Scottie into the story!

  38. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    4 Jul, 2013 - 4:59 pm

    “There’s a VERY clever game of geopolitic chess being played here and, of course, it’s Wikileaks who are the ones who’ve been busy plotting all the Knight and Queen moves…”

    I hope you’re right Arbed. I’m going barmy with the confluence of multiple subterfuges. I worry for the young man, not much older than my eldest.

  39. Flaming June,

    Copy and paste this in your browser and see if you have clearance to land, on the page!

    http://acepilots.com/wwi/pilot-uniform.jpg

  40. technicolour

    4 Jul, 2013 - 5:09 pm

    Chris 2: Thanks for posting. Have reservations about references to the ‘lumpen proletariat’, and about apparent lack of concern for people who are so desperate that their votes can be bought with a glass of milk; but how many people around the world do not recognise this?

    “They represent the majority of all the electoral constituencies, but they do not have any voice. The Muslim Brothers…ensured members of the movement in every public sector. Their way of managing the country is informed by a type of crony capitalism which simply does not leave any room for the opposition figures..”

  41. I don’t see this as a counter-revolution but rather as a continuation of a revolution as yet incomplete. 25 million people on the streets was symptomatic of the limitations of a genuine democracy from the bottom in terms of outcome. Morsi was voted in to power with a clear mandate which was subsequently sabotaged. The military filled the void and thus the revolution will almost certainly in turn be hijacked by the Obama regime for their own nefarious ends.

  42. “Copy and paste this in your browser and see if you have clearance to land, on the page!”

    Is that legal? Surely if she has been told she isn’t authorised to access a file and she accesses it she would be breaking the law.

    Seems to be a lot of leeching going on on this blog, Craig is going to be getting a bad name among webmasters.

  43. Flaming June

    4 Jul, 2013 - 7:48 pm

    Egypt is a member of the GECF (Gas Exporting Countries Forum)

    ‘GECF Members & Observers

    The Member Countries of the Forum are: Algeria, Bolivia, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Iran, Libya, Nigeria, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Trinidad and Tobago, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela.

    Kazakhstan, Iraq, the Netherlands and Norway have the status of Observer Members.

    The Forum is a multi-layered and open organization providing flexibility of participation in its activities. GECF highly values the potential of its present Members and Observers and at the same time encourages further increase in their numbers and welcomes new members.’

    They have just been meeting in Moscow.

    ~~

    I came across them when reading this piece on the Global Research website entitled –

    Will Israel’s Gas Hopes Come True? Accused of Stealing Gas from the Gaza Strip

    ‘The 2nd leaders’ summit of the Gas Exporting Countries Forum (GECF) has taken place in Moscow. Experts say there is a candidate to enter the elite club of 13 members once the rich East Mediterranean deposits start to be developed. The vast sea bottom natural gas fields were discovered a few years ago. Israel is the leader in the development; it starts its activities without waiting for neither ultimate resolution of legal issues, nor settling the emerging disputes with neighbors.’

    /..

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/will-israels-gas-hopes-come-true-accused-of-stealing-gas-from-the-gaza-strip/5341688

  44. Technicolour, I share your reservations which seem uncharacteristic of Amin. However, aside from the tone (and this is a translation I believe) I felt that the point of view would be of interest. Except, of course to the trolls..

  45. Flaming June

    4 Jul, 2013 - 8:32 pm

    ‘Britain responded to the crackdown by calling for political prisoners to be freed as soon as possible so they could be involved in early elections. But as military chiefs installed an interim president, the West was torn between condemning the army’s intervention or working with the new regime after the revolt against Islamist leader Morsi.’

    Agent Cameron is ‘battling with the moral dilemma’.

    “We never support intervention by the military. What now needs to happen in Egypt is for democracy to flourish and for a genuine democratic transition to take place and all parties need to be involved in that.”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/cameron-let-democracy-flourish-in-egypt-8686156.html

    ~~~

    On the same website, I see that the business of fashion designer Nicole Farhi has gone into administration. I am very sorry. Her husband is the brilliant playwright, David Hare, who dramatized Craig’s book ‘Murder in Samarkand’ for radio.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/i-am-heartbroken-says-nicole-farhi-after-her-fashion-brand-goes-into-administration-8687664.html

    Wikipedia –

    In February 2007, Farhi was a signatory to the declaration of the Independent Jewish Voices, a new Jewish network, calling for an open and critical debate on Israel and criticising certain Jewish organisations’ unconditional support of Israel.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Farhi

  46. Flaming June

    4 Jul, 2013 - 8:34 pm

    Don’t worry Fred. It is still verboten. Thanks for trying Passerby.

  47. doug scorgie

    4 Jul, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    An interesting interview with George Galloway by Australian ABC radio about Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood (before the military takeover).

    Educational I think.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/radical-uk-mp-george-galloway-speaks-to-breakfast/4798410

  48. Flaming June

    4 Jul, 2013 - 9:36 pm

    The Egyptian military act at Israel’s bidding presumably. A betrayal of their brothers and sisters in Gaza.

    Egyptian army demolishes tunnels with Gaza

    Tunnels between Egypt and Gaza have been the main life line to the 1.8million residents of Gaza since the Israeli siege was imposed in 2006.

    On Thursday afternoon, Egyptian bulldozers began to demolish the tunnels between Egypt and the Gaza Strip which have functioned as the life-line to the besieged Gaza Strip since the beginning of the Israeli siege in 2006.

    Egyptian facebook news network RNN reported on its page that big Egyptian military bulldozers started the demolition of the tunnels. They were protected by military vehicles.

    /..
    http://uk.mg.bt.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?.partner=bt-1&.gx=1&.rand=ba2de37sqfjvb

  49. Some interesting articles at the antiwar site;

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/07/03/morsi-or-not-the-us-empire-has-a-stranglehold-on-egypt/

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/07/03/us-violates-intl-law-grounding-bolivian-presidents-plane-in-pursuit-of-snowden/

    http://news.antiwar.com/2013/07/03/nsa-surveillance-threatens-127-billion-eu-trade-deal/

    This also caught my eye; “Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  50. Horace Swanson

    4 Jul, 2013 - 10:15 pm

    I don’t agree, Craig. Morsi was startlingly incompetent and Egypt was going to the dogs. The people couldn’t take it any more.

  51. Interesting links there Kibo. Worth looking at more of those patterns.

  52. @Auntful.10 55pm

    “Worth looking at more of those patterns.”

    I think so too.

    Loads more on you tube.

    Also in Howard Bloom’s “Global Brain”.

    Ch. 9 “The Conformity Police” and Ch.19 “The Kidnap of the Mass Mind”

  53. ‘What we are seeing in Egypt is counter-revolution pure and simple, military hardliners who are going to be friendly with Israel and the US, and are committing gross human rights abuse’

    Craig isn’t that exactly what the Muslim Brotherhood were doing?

  54. BrianFujisan

    5 Jul, 2013 - 12:51 am

    June @ 7 : 48 pm

    i may have missed it in your Link, but They have redirected the segregation wall in order to steal the gas.

    Israel has amended the path of its “apartheid” Separation Wall near the West Bank village of Rantis in order to include an area where it is believed oil may be discovered. The exploration is taking place on land on the Palestinian side of the so-called “Green” 1949 armistice line.
    Of course, geology does not follow man-made borders, so international conventions leave some no-man’s land between neighbouring countries. “Based on this rule, Israel is definitely stealing oil and gas which, by right, belongs to the Palestinians,” local sources said.

    http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/6331-israel-is-stealing-palestinian-oil-and-gas

  55. BrianFujisan

    5 Jul, 2013 - 1:06 am

    ALL THEM YEARS AGO – Charlie Chaplin Had them made, good job he’s not around to see how much worse it has all gotten

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q8tjH3q8feE

    AND WOW..Check Out These MEDIA BANNED IMAGES from Egypt, looks like the people are getting real

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/07/egypt-and-obama-5-stunning-pictures-banned-by-the-mainstream-media-2453270.html

  56. Off subject.

    Android phone users beware

  57. OT-sorta…

    Strange gig of two halves tonight…struggled at first then it all clicked and everyone was updancing for the last half hour.

    It didn’t help that my main instrument got broken last weekend and i was on a less familiar machine tonight…

    Anyhoo..point being…spoke to a few in the audience tonight…all creeds,colours,religions,gender and age.

    My understanding overall was that so many people felt so helpless,spied upon,serfish…

    Just a view from a Glasgow street tonight chaps-no greater significance…

    :.)

  58. “Agent Cameron is ‘battling with the moral dilemma’.”

    Agent Cameron wouldn’t know a moral dilemma if it introduced itself to him, gave him a million quid, and asked for a Knighthood. ‘Who is this Sir Moral Dilemma anyway?’ he would ask his advisers, much later.

    Do What The US Wants = Good.

    Threaten Own Career By Showing Independence = Bad.

    No dilemma there. Why are so many elected leaders such idiots? This really can’t be an accident.

  59. “democracy is democracy”

    Posted by a fool who doesn’t understand the term “political science”. Quite obviously, one implementation of a democratic political system can be radically different to another and furthermore, produce regimes that are significantly unrepresentative of the majority of a well-informed public. Who decides who is and who isn’t representative?

    Let’s not get too sentimental over romanticised notions of “democracy”. Putin was democratically elected, after all.

  60. @Brian. 1 06am

    I must watch “The Great Dictator”

    “You the people have the power…”

    Right on!

    Re Egypt images. Emperor’s new clothes moment?

  61. “Re Egypt images. Emperor’s new clothes moment?”

    I must congratulate them on the quality of their banners. Must have cost a fortune.

    But to my mind there’s something about professionally made signs and grass roots demonstrations that don’t just go together. Written on a bed sheet in poster paints would have influenced me more.

  62. She brought me into this world
    Her love more precious than any diamond or pearl
    She was my shield to the rain
    And she could heal my every pain
    Her smile lightened my every day
    And fought my biggest fears away.

    We love you Mum.

  63. Stop banging on about international ‘law’. It’s a fiction – we don’t have a world government.

  64. How do I disable kooks?

  65. Thanks for that Mark, welling stuff that.
    Back to Egypt and its gumptious population led by the nose by the military, one way or other, at least they are out there as one, speaking out and affecting change.

    Whatever the result of this cauldron, or the smell it emits during the cooking process, once its done, the contents will have to be eaten or else, it gets kicked into the sand.

    How far are other societies in this process of recognition, facing up to the inevitabilities of being controlled?
    http://m.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-metropolitan-police-cops-out-of-control

  66. Uzbek in the UK

    5 Jul, 2013 - 12:01 pm

    IMPORTANT.

    Under pressure from Russia to reduce number of 5 million migrant seasonal workers from Uzbekistan Uzbek government started crackdown on Uzbek migrant workers. Uzbek local officials have started to collect information on those who are working abroad (primarily in Russia and Kazakhstan) and it is believed that families of these men (as it is usually men who go to work abroad) are being interrogated.

    This all was preceded by the Karimov’s interview to the local media where he called Uzbek migrant workers “lazybones who are going abroad to earn easy money and do not bother to find a job in Uzbekistan”.

    More information is here, in Russian.

    http://www.fergananews.com/news/20912

    http://www.fergananews.com/articles/7775

    To add here it is believe that around 5 million migrant workers contribute over 10 billion USD to the economy of Uzbekistan providing back marker in Uzbekistan with hard currency that is then exchanges to imported goods.

  67. http://nsnbc.me/2013/07/05/mohamed-morsi-arrested-israel-fears-its-honeymoon-is-over-only-a-fe/

    “Of course, the Egyptians realize the danger of certain extremist, heavily armed elements; they did not remove former president, Hosni Mubarak, to replace one dictator with another. And they did not rebel against Morsi to replace him with an extremist.

    They are seeking their ultimate goal of real liberation, real democracy and equality.

    The Egyptians removed a one-man rule, a dictator, to live in dignity, not to be ruled by another form of dictatorship.”

  68. doug scorgie

    5 Jul, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    Jemand- Censorship
    Improves History
    5 july 2013 7:13am

    “democracy is democracy”

    “Posted by a fool who doesn’t understand the term “political science”.

    Quite obviously, one implementation of a democratic political system can be radically different to another and furthermore, produce regimes that are significantly unrepresentative of the majority of a well-informed public.

    Who decides who is and who isn’t representative?”

    “Let’s not get too sentimental over romanticised notions of “democracy”. Putin was democratically elected, after all.”

    So Jemand you are one of those right-wing wankers that only believes in democracy when it gives the result you want.

    If I’m wrong please let me and the other posters know what your stance on democracy is.

  69. It doesn’t matter, they can elect who they like it doesn’t matter, it’s the army that controls Egypt and it’s America that controls the army.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)

    5 Jul, 2013 - 1:05 pm

    @ Arebed :

    “Cross-posting from previous thread and off-topic – sorry, but I’d dearly love to hear other people’s take on this:

    “Bolivia has REJECTED a formal US extradition request for Snowden:”
    ________

    Not really a take, just a reminder that I predicted this on the previous thread.
    I also predicted that Ecuador will the next to try and wriggle off the Julian Assange hook. Wait and see.
    Remeber : you read it here first!

  71. @Dogg Scorgie “Do you believe that because the US/UK/Israel don’t like the election winners of a country they have a right to force out that elected government?”

    Governments have a responsility to their own people, including their use of resources. For the UK, joining the US in its invasions was too expensive IMO. Israel couldn’t afford anything beyond limited special operations (like knocking out nuclear facilities in unfriendly countries in the region).

    In principle, as Henry Kissinger said, “I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people.” Substitute “Islamist” and the same applies.

    However I would prefer Communist or Islamist governments to be thrown out by their own people, which happily happened here.

  72. Is that the real Habbabkuk? Spelling isn’t up to usual standard so I wonder maybe an imposter? Especially as the post misses the point entirely – it’s the US’s request that Bolivia has rejected, not Snowden’s asylum application.

    Rafael Correa too has insisted the Guardian correct its article based on Rory Carroll’s interview. Correa had a tape recording, which shows he never criticised either Snowden or Assange; confirmed that as far as Ecuador was concerned Snowden’s asylum application is still ‘live’ if he can reach their territory; and indicated that, whilst Narvaez’ issuing of a travel pass without authorisation and Assange’s announcement of the travel pass were ‘mistakes’ (and Narvaez would be sanctioned for it), he understood where they were coming from. He reiterated that Assange continues to enjoy Ecuador’s full support.

  73. While I’m here, this is O/T but I’m sure it will be of interest to some contributors here. New evidence in the Assange Swedish case has emerged – the forensic lab report is finally available in English, with some pretty explosive findings. The English translation is reproduced on page 8 of the Why I’m Convinced Anna Ardin is a Liar thread, with discussion following (from 1 July onwards):

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-8/#comments

  74. Erm, not “reproduced on page 8″ but linked there. Well worth clicking through on all the links supplied, to get a full understanding of the implications of the forensic findings in the Swedish Affair Assange.

  75. @ Doug Scogie.

    “Democracy, wanxxxxxxs.“

    “Come in old boy sit down and tell us all about it“

    I will ask you- how can we raise standards in a egalitarian society?

  76. Basically, whenever a muslim party comes to power, not as a result of free elections,(Algiers and now Egypt as example) there will be enough people to sweep them away from power under the pretense of fight against economic problems, political islam, or islamists, etc.
    The rule that is effective in western countries can not be applied in muslim countries because there is a muslim party in power, i.e. muslims are ruling. Period.

  77. typo: I meant …”note, as a result of free elections..”

  78. Abe: Note that when quoting Kissinger, you are referring to the words of a liar and a mass murdering war criminal. Hardly the best person from whom to draw your principles.

  79. “Is that the real Habbabkuk?”

    Not been the same lately; wonder if it’s anything to do with the recent testing of the much self-acclaimed “intellectual fire-power”, which revealed itself as rather a very damp squib in reality !

  80. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    5 Jul, 2013 - 5:20 pm

    Glenn; Howdy. Have you spoken with Clark? Several (including me) have outstanding emails.

    Just wonderin where is he and where you been?

  81. Tom Secker has a new book out on 7/7

    “Secrets, Spies and 7/7″

    http://www.investigatingtheterror.com/Secrets__Spies_and_7_7.htm

    Here he discusses his findings, evidence and problems with the official narrative in an indepth discussion with The Corbett Report:

    http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-698-tom-secker-on-secrets-spies-and-77/

    Tom has also made a very comprehensive film about the affair:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFllLvhgYm8

  82. Thanks for the update on new evidence, Arbed, so he condom story does not stack up to much and the similarities of both stories are now beginning to emerge, actions that could have been planned some time before and were executed rather unprofessionally. AA should have had more experience after her Cuban era.

    music, interlude, picture of cyclists going round and round….

    Tonight’s the night of the GHG, nearest thing to remind Norfolk people what its like to do the Tour de France. Some very nice real ale pubs within shouting distance of each other, this test attracts cyclists from near and far.

    Not myself though, that hill is murder and I once took part in a running race round the same course, they nearly had to put me down….

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/cyclists_set_to_attempt_the_gas_hill_gasp_1_2266042

  83. Flaming June

    5 Jul, 2013 - 6:11 pm

    O/T Craig wrote about Lynne Stewart previously. The b******s will not give her compassionate release.

    URGENT UPDATE AND MESSAGE FROM LYNNE STEWART —http://www.iacenter.org/prisoners/stewart070513/

    God bless her. She can still be seen smiling in the photo.

  84. Flaming June

    5 Jul, 2013 - 6:16 pm

    http://www.iacenter.org/prisoners/stewart070513/

    That link does not seem live. It is the first item on the IAC home page here.

    http://www.iacenter.org/

  85. Flaming June

    5 Jul, 2013 - 6:31 pm

    Also O/T Ian Shircore’s review of a new book about Dr Kelly’s unnatural death, ‘Dark Actors’ by Robert Lewis.

    It is almost 10 years since Dr Kelly was found dead on Harrowdown Hill.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/books/8950851/dark-actors-by-robert-lewis-review/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=dark-actors-by-robert-lewis-review

  86. Thanks, Mary. Good review. I’ll check out the book.

    “On his later trips to Baghdad, Kelly would be confronted outside his hotel by Iraqi mothers thrusting dead babies in his face.” [from the book]

    Bloody hell. This is what Madeleine Albright thought was “worth it”. Basically, it was not her dead baby.

  87. “WTF is Suhaayl Saadist when we need a girl?” Craig Lover, sometime earlier in this thread.

    Do please explain. Is this a “Did we meet in California, no we met in St Louis” kind of thing? A speaking microwave, or a listening rock? Or is it just the ghost of Bobby Darin?

  88. Alaa al Aswany:

    ‘First it was Mubarak who trampled the rights of the people, then the military and now it’s the Muslim Brotherhood. I’m not really against the Brotherhood per se, rather against a state that wraps up fascism in religion.

    The Egyptian revolution will reject the Muslim Brotherhood, same as it didn’t tolerate the military and Hosni Mubarak before them. Our future lies ahead, and democracy is the only way forward. I think the Muslim Brotherhood is ultimately a fascist movement. Egyptian democracy has been trampled.’

    Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_07_01/Egypt-won-t-be-an-Islamic-Caliphate-Alaa-al-Aswani-6901/

  89. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    5 Jul, 2013 - 7:16 pm

    (minutes ago) Icelandic Parliament denies vote on Wiki request before Summer recess. Wait until September…

    http://joyb.blogspot.com/2013/07/will-snowden-get-icelandic-citizenship.html

  90. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/07/20137575614134310.html

    Rope-a-dope: The strategy of Egypt’s puppet masters
    The political mechanics of the mass protests on June 30, have been largely misrepresented by sections of the media.

    Walter Armbrust

    Media misrepresentations

    A larger point is that the rhetorical dynamic in the immediate aftermath of the Morsi regime’s fall has been misguided. The Western press was full of sombre meditations on the fall of an “electorally legitimate” regime and the apparent failure of a “democratic experiment.” In opposition to this, some of the most articulate voices among the many millions who marched on June 30 were angry at having their successful campaign against Muslim Brotherhood rule labelled as a “coup” rather than an on-going struggle for true democracy. But the coup vs. will of the people debate goes nowhere. It is better to put these terms to the side and acknowledge that among the diversity of interests that motivated people to enter the streets on June 30 there was significant input not just from the old regime, but also from the security state. This is not to say that Morsi’s opponents actually were nothing but filul, as his supporters often claimed. But alongside well-justified objections by Morsi’s opponents to the American media’s failure to understand what was happening in Egypt, a narrative crystalised of plucky youth challenging the Morsi regime by circulating a petition. It is important to move beyond this attractive image before it turns into another over-romanticised and ultimately distracting “Facebook Revolution” legend. The story of tamarrud as a brave act of resistance is by no means wrong, but neither is it sufficient to explain the current situation.

    …Walter Armbrust is Hourani Fellow and University Lecturer in Modern Middle East Studies at Oxford University.
    </blockquote?

    More at link http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/07/20137575614134310.html

  91. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/201374223725841263.html

    Groups condemn raids on Egypt TV channels

    Al Jazeera is demanding the release of staff detained by authorities as Mubasher Misr channel shutdown by army.

    Al Jazeera has demanded the release of a top staff member who was detained when Egyptian security officials raided the Mubasher Misr channel, shortly after Mohamed Morsi was ousted as president.

    Three other television channels, all deemed to be pro-Morsi by Egyptian authorities, were also shut down on Wednesday in a move condemned by rights groups and journalists.

    Mubasher Misr’s managing director Ayman Gaballah remains in custody. Four other staff members have been released.

    Global press news agency Associated Press Television News (APTN) was told not to provide Al Jazeera with any footage of the demonstrations in Egypt or any filming equipment, while the Cairo News Company was warned against providing broadcasting equipment.

    Al Jazeera Media Network’s acting Director General Mostafa Souag condemned the actions, saying “regardless of political views, the Egyptian people expect media freedoms to be respected and upheld.”

    “Media offices should not be subject to raids and intimidation. Journalists should not be detained for doing their jobs.”

    Al Jazeera Mubasher Misr, was prevented from broadcasting from a pro-Morsi rally in northern Cairo and its crew there was also detained.

    More at link http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/201374223725841263.html

  92. BrianFujisan

    5 Jul, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    The U.N at long last telling us what many have known for years and years… Isreali authorities are evil Genocidal cowards, at war with palestine’s children

    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10350

  93. karel (a conspiracy a day keeps idiocy away)

    5 Jul, 2013 - 9:30 pm

    dear all,

    like probably all of you I know fuck all about Egypt but love to write about it. Once I smoked an Egyptian cigarette but it was in a distant past and I can tell you nothing about its taste.

    Nevertheless, I have to praise Tech savage for the most reasonable and coherent contribution without wanting to say anything nasty about the rest. In my humble opinion it seems that it must have become apparent to most Egyptians that the morsi governemnt was a disater and they had a human right to demand a change perhaps hoping that it might turnout to be better next time. Whoever is denying them this hope is, in my eyes, a paternalistic fool. People like any change just for the sake of it. I certainly do. Although all my jackets have been perforated by generations of moths I enjoy swapping them now and then even though the one I may wear tomorrow is in no better state that the one I wear today.

  94. Do please explain. Is this a “Did we meet in California, no we met in St Louis” kind of thing? A speaking microwave,

    Ha, Haaa, I told you so!

    The speaking microwave is the worst kind of the torture weapons systems designed, on par with speaking intelligent toaster. Ask Lister who suffered the most, on his mission in deep space.

    The democratic Generals are now shooting the Egyptians far better than Mubarak used to shoot, with their most excellent shooting that is not going unrewarded too. The US aid is now back up and running, and Billy the piss head fourteen pints is droning on about “we must hold a party for the generals on the beech”!

    Well the Egyptians are enjoying all the democracy they can get from the barrel of the army shotguns and rifles. Whilst the medjia is no longer concerned with the huge numbers of the Egyptians out on the streets.

  95. doug scorgie

    5 Jul, 2013 - 10:34 pm

    Abe Rene
    5 Jul, 2013 – 1:52 pm

    “In principle, as Henry Kissinger said, “I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people.” Substitute “Islamist” and the same applies.”

    “However I would prefer Communist or Islamist governments to be thrown out by their own people, which happily happened here.”

    Well Abe you have certainly “shown your hand”.

    You don’t believe in democracy either as is the case with Jemand.

    Can you explain how you think the world should be run?

  96. doug scorgie

    5 Jul, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    Jay
    5 Jul, 2013 – 2:45 pm

    @ Doug Scorgie

    “Democracy, wanxxxxxxs.“

    “Come in old boy sit down and tell us all about it“

    “I will ask you- how can we raise standards in a egalitarian society?”

    What are the “standards” that you think cannot be raised in an egalitarian society?”

  97. BBC, wonderful!!! Anybody see it? Jeremy Bowen in Egypt. He was reporting on a death due to the military takeover (though of course with the Boston Marathon you never really know if anyone’s died). On the first footage he’s stood there in the street with a few locals around him, and down his left cheek there is dried blood which has apparently come from the region of his left ear. I know reporting in war-torn zones is uncomfortable but who, in their right mind, advised him to do the report without first getting cleaned up. Why did a sensible man like Bowen agree to it. The message being portrayed was that reporters are vulnerable, (which of course they are) but not to clean him up before the report speaks little of news and much of drama. But hold. There is more. The next time Bowen appears he has a bandage, or some medical application, over his left ear. He looks like Van Gogh after Van Gogh attacked his ear and painted a picture of the bandaged ear. Oh my God! Is the drama department running the news now? Entertaining? Yes. Professional. Please draw your your own conclusions if the professionals don’t edit it out, as in this case, I think they should.

  98. talking microwaves?

    Back in the 70s, my husband (to be) picked up the radio of a local taxi service on a steel string guitar. Scared the shit out of both of us for a short while.

    We live in even more interesting times now.

  99. What are the “standards” that you think cannot be raised in an egalitarian society?”

    Certainly these “standards” need to be outlined.

    Unfortunate for the Egyptian Revolutionaries the political model of Muslim Brotherhood that was highly influenced by the Saudi and Qatari reactionary elements at its later stages, became unstuck. Although this outcome was precipitated/ensured by the US corralling of the Brotherhood into the current mess; through restriction of money flow into the Egyptian economy, and high rents for any potential borrowing by the Brotherhood.

    Ultimately poor Egyptians will be paying the price. through; stagnant economy, oppression, and a continuation of abuse of their human rights. After all US is only looking after zionistan, and Egypt cannot just decide to go it alone.

  100. Amazingly this Epetition has been accepted.

    It might be due to the spelling mistake on Edwards Snowden. Yes!

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/52312

  101. Goodonya John. I’ll tweet that.

  102. “Back in the 70s, my husband (to be) picked up the radio of a local taxi service on a steel string guitar. Scared the shit out of both of us for a short while. ”

    Which reminds me of a tale both historical and topical.

    After WWII the American embassy in Moscow was presented with a wooden replica of the American seal by the Russians. Inside was a radio transmitter with no wires, components or batteries. It was just a diaphragm and a copper rod, a mechanical radio transmitter. The Russians could direct a radio beam at the right frequency`for he copper rod and it would resonate and retransmit on that frequency with any sound in the room modulated on to it. It took the Americans decades to find it.

  103. I WOULD feed my family GM food, says Cameron as he tries to win over public on the issue

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346233/I-WOULD-feed-family-GM-food-says-Cameron-tries-win-public-issue.html

    Cancer row over GM foods as study says it did THIS to rats… and can cause organ damage and early death in humans

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2205509/Cancer-row-GM-foods-French-study-claims-did-THIS-rats–cause-organ-damage-early-death-humans.html

  104. [Please excuse the OT and personal conversation]

    Ben wrote, “Just wonderin where is he and where you been?

    Hello Ben… hanging out, I guess. Haven’t heard from Clark, I’ll try to contact him. Thanks for the thoughts, hope all is well with you.

  105. I WOULD feed my family GM food, says Cameron

    Shades of John Selwyn Gummer, these low life bastards would sell their granny if there is enough dough in it for them. Evidently horse meat* injected with water and crappy hoof proteins is not enough, to kill us all in the way of reducing the pension costs.

    * What happened to the enquiry?

  106. “Please draw your your own conclusions if the professionals don’t edit it out, as in this case, I think they should. ”

    What’s the matter? A dose of reality too much for you to handle?

  107. “* What happened to the enquiry?”

    It fell at the first fence and had to be put down.

  108. Jeez, Kempe… your posts were pretty weak before. Now they barely appear to show signs of basic awareness.

  109. Dreolin,

    You’d be surprised.Even in 2013,if im giggin in a busy city area i regularly get taxis coming thru loud and clear on my amp.

    It’s pretty embarrassing in a Spinal Tap kinda way.

    Rock ‘n’ roll eh?

    “Taxi!”

    :.)

  110. BrianFujisan

    6 Jul, 2013 - 3:06 am

    Three cheers for Nicaragua and Venezuela

    “I have decided to offer humanitarian asylum to the young American, Edward Snowden, so that in the fatherland of Bolivar and Chavez, he can come and live away from imperial North American persecution,” said Maduro

    http://rt.com/news/maduro-snowden-asylum-venezuela-723/

  111. Chris Jones

    6 Jul, 2013 - 3:15 am

    You’ve got this the wrong way round Craig-surely you can’t be this naive? Who knows what if there is a hidden hand behind this rising too but its hard to argue with 14 million people. The ugly beast of nationalsim? Dont you support the rights of the Palestines,Uzbeks and Scots to self determination? Are you caught in the grips of critical theory again-the one that said all European sovereign states should be abolished no matter what….how liberal…

    One more point-stop paying attention to Assange-he is just another egotist and applemac warrior poster boy for nothing of much value-what of any true earthshattering insight has come out of Wikileaks? The guardian will say otherwise of course and their new poster boy Snowdon the ex soldier will pay thei wages for a few months until the next liberally acceptable poster boy

  112. Jives: You’d hear that with any RF setup. Try putting ferrous rings on unshielded leads which might be picking up unwanted signals. The very low-signal, non-amplified carriers are the most susceptible.

  113. BrianFujisan

    6 Jul, 2013 - 3:22 am

    Forgot to include these great words

    “He has told the truth, in the spirit of rebellion, about the US spying on the whole world,” Maduro said.

    “Who is the guilty one? A young man … who denounces war plans, or the US government which launches bombs and arms the terrorist Syrian opposition against the people and legitimate President Bashar al-Assad?”

    “Who is the terrorist? Who is the global delinquent?” added Maduro.

  114. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 7:21 am

    Brian. Praise be for Presidents Maduro and Ortega for their humanity. Venceremos.

    John Yes noticed that about Bowen too. No comment from the news presenter. A normal person would have enquired what had happened to him and if he was alright.
    ‘It never happened etc – Pinter’

    Will sign the petition.

    Fedup Re GM. Had you seen this? We thought Spelman was bad enough. Paterson is toxic.

    Tory MP says pro-GM Environment Secretary Owen Paterson is ‘industry puppet’
    Richmond Park MP accused fellow party member of ‘nonsensical’ claims about GM benefits of GM technology

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-says-progm-environment-secretary-owen-paterson-is-industry-puppet-8686133.html

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/owen-paterson-calls-for-gm-businesses-to-come-to-uk

  115. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 7:27 am

    The BBC denies that the blockade of Gaza causes medicine shortages.

    Health Check, World Service, 4 October 2012: Finding by the Editorial Complaints Unit

    Complaint
    A listener complained that an item on the situation of people with kidney failure in Gaza gave the misleading impression that medical supplies and equipment were subject to the Israeli blockade, and that the item was misleading in other respects.

    Outcome
    In most respects the item was not misleading. However, the sentence “The blockade of Gaza for example has led to shortages of medicines and medical equipment” gave the impression that the Israeli blockade covered medical supplies, which is not the case.

    Partly upheld

    Further action
    In future, when commissioning reports from freelance reporters abroad, Healthcheck will ensure they take advice from the local BBC bureau before finalising the item.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/comp-reports/ecu/heltcheck

    The BBC ruling was reported by the Jewish Chronicle
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/109220/bbc-rules-gaza-complaint

    Please complain to the BBC’s Editorial Complaints Unit (ECU) ecu@bbc.co.uk giving your name and address!

    ~~~

    Furthermore, the people in Gaza do not even have use of the tunnels now since the Egyptian military demolished them.

  116. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 7:37 am

    St Theresa will be popping the champagne corks this weekend. She obviously takes the word of the USUKIsNATO stooge, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, that he will get a fair trial.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1112229/abu-qatada-to-finally-be-deported-to-jordan

  117. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 7:50 am

    ‘Bowen, a veteran of conflicts around the globe, said it was the first time he had been shot.

    As I helped his cameraman bandage his wounds, he said: “I was crossing the road when they opened fire.

    “I think it was a shotgun. I got two pellets in the leg and one in the ear. It came out of nothing.”

    Bowen, 53, added: “As the crowd got angrier and angrier it started to surge forward and someone opened fire straight away from the military side.

    “Before they had used any kind of teargas they resorted to live fire.

    “Initially I thought it was in the air and then I saw the weapons were levelled.

    “After that I saw a man went down. I saw the body, bloodied, being carried away.

    “We’d been hanging around filming, they fired some gas and the crowd scattered, and just as I was reaching the curb and I felt something hit the side of my head by my ear and my leg.

    “I’ve been in a lot of hairy situations as a reporter over many years but I have never been hit by anything.”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/bbc-reporter-jeremy-bowen-shot-2029115

  118. The “Ugly Beast “ of popular revolution. How is that any form of change can be nationalistic, internationaliatic, secular. Etc.

    As with “standards“ it desire to work which standards come from, and control of the desire to work which ultimately effect standards and cause revolutions.

    Popular opinion is something organic whether cultural otherwise conceived egalitarian raising of standards can be organised if desired.

    What ever revolution in Eygpt they need concerning voice.

    Will the controllers listen?

  119. @John Goss. 11 50pm

    Thanks for setting up the petition.

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/52312

    I took a look 15 mins ago. “No of Signatures: 3″

    I then signed and clicked the confirmation email.

    For the next 15mins the number of signatures remained at 3.

    Finally it registers 4.

    Can the blog’s resident software experts explain if this delay is credible, or is it more likely that the total is being manipulated?

    There seems to be a consistent strand, when it comes to numbers, whether it’s deaths in Iraq, Us soldiers through Shannon, nubers demonstrating or signatures on a pro-whistleblower petition, that the keepers of the official narrative have a problem with numbers.

    Maybe Brand-New-Habba can shed some light on the anomaly.

  120. All those bloody “nubers demonstrating”.

    They should get a proper job. That’s what I say.

  121. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 9:04 am

    Same experience Brian. Perhaps our names go via Cheltenham and then Dave has to give the final say so. Only joking Dave!

  122. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 9:05 am

    LOL from the FAQ

    Why hasn’t my signature been added to the total on the petition?

    Once an e-petition has been signed, the updating of the number of signatures does not take place straight away. Instead, the signature total which appears on the site refreshes at regular intervals, rather than at the moment the signature is added.

  123. Eutelsat threatens satellite firms with US sanctions
    Press TV has obtained some of the letters, which Michel De Rosen, the French-Israeli CEO of Eutelsat, has written to satellite companies warning them against providing services to Iranian media.
    He has said that if European satellite companies do not comply with US sanctions against Iran’s national broadcasting corporation, their assets will be frozen by the government of the United States. De Rosen has also warned service providers that their officials will be denied entry into the US, if they broadcast Iranian channels.
    “Mr. De Rosen initially raised the issue of EU sanctions against Iran. But when I talked directly with the EU foreign policy chief’s spokesperson, Mr. Michael Mann, and aired his comments that EU sanctions did not apply to Iranian media, Mr. De Rosen suddenly changed the story,” said Hamid Reza Emadi, Press TV’s newsroom director. “All of a sudden, Mr. De Rosen starts focusing on US sanctions and completely forgets about the EU embargo that he so passionately talked about before,” he added….
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/05/312346/eutelsat-steps-up-war-on-iran-media/

  124. @June. 9 05am

    Now why don’t I feel reassured?

    Brian Kibo.

  125. the revolution will not even be BLOGGED. couldn’t believe how many blogs failed to even cover the continuing revolution.

    MSM drove the narrative – first by ignoring the buildup, then by equating Pro & Anti Morsi protesters – LOL – when there were 20 million to 25,000, by some reports.

    “clashes between” blamed when MB killed protesters. bbc even claimed they didn’t know what they were protesting about, when they & the rest of the MSM have ignored all the grievances building up since Morsi was installed with our help.

    vurtually no MSM among the peaceful millions letting them speak for themselves; probably didn’t want the world to see the anti-obama anti-anne patterson banners while obama was on the african continent; no reporters in other major towns & cities, except for MB stronghold Nasr City.

    this is just stage two of the egyptian revolution; not perfect & may it may fail again but, when the West, Gulf States, Turkey, Jordan, Israel have been busy inserting MB in Libya, Egypt, Syria, i don’t think it takes a geopolitical genius to work out why the people revolted.

    tunisians are learning from tamarod; libyans have begun taking steps to remove the MB, even while knowing the MB will never go away now they’ve tasted power. good luck to them all.

  126. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 9:51 am

    Sorry I called you Brian Kibo!

    Have just been for a lovely walk. Not too hot. The whole of a valley here below the North Downs has been planted with barley. It is just turning from green to a beautiful pale gold. The arable field through which I returned home was a blaze of yellow from the hawkweed.

    ~~~

    Good for Blatter here. I always think of him in connection with FIFA corruption.

    Blatter heads to Palestine for talks travel restrictions
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/sports/2013/07/05/Blatter-heads-to-Palestine-for-talks-travel-restrictions.html

    Friday, 5 July 2013

  127. When Mubarak was kicked out the Egyptian constitution was altered, with broad agreement from all those who participated in the election, to prevent another dictator arising. One of the cornerstones of those changes was preventing the President from making laws without judicial accountability/approval. One of the first things Morsi did once he removed the Army’s official influence from his government was to repeal that law, allowing him to resume Mubarak’s role as totalitarian dictator. He betrayed the electorate, the process and (most importantly) the Army.

    This is why the talking heads are more concerned that democracy is upheld rather than support the justified removal of a religious extremists intent on taking Egypt down a road the people had already rejected. Allowing him to remain in power for the good of a so called democracy, when he has clearly betrayed everything he claimed to stand for in such a short space of time, serves only those who have done exactly the same here “the NHS is safe with us”, “we’re in it together”, “we will protect the poor and vulnerable” ad nauseum. The people here could learn a thing from the Egyptians.

  128. Dreolin at 12.06 am. Thanks for tweeting the Epetition concerning the US spying on us. I’ve done a short blog.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/edward-snowden-and-interception-of.html

  129. Jay 4 Jul, 2013 – 10:30 am

    A very interesting ‘counter argument’ you present there. Any chance of providing something other than a totally pointless ad hominem next time, like some facts or actualities, to prove that you aren’t a complete tool?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls

  130. Follow the money;

    “A perceptive look into all this came via a 2008 U.S.diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks. The writer in the U.S. Embassy in Cairo ticked off the various businesses the military was involved in, and considered how the military might react if Egypt’s then president, Hosni Mubarak, were to lose power.

    The military would almost certainly go along with a successor, the cable’s author wrote, as long as that successor didn’t interfere in the military’s business arrangements.”

    http://barrymlando.com/https/barry-landosquarespacecom/2013/7/4/the-egyptian-armys-state-within-a-state

    Talking of money;

    http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=100429&cid=31&fromval=1&frid=31&seccatid=91&s1=1

    (original FT article behind paywall)

  131. O/T again I’m afraid. Sorry. Thanks for the link BrianFujisan at 3.06 am.

    Here is another on the same subject of Venezuela offering Edward Snowden asylum. “I announce to the friendly governments of the world that we have decided to offer this statute of international humanitarian law to protect the young Snowden from the persecution that has been unleashed from the most powerful empire in the world,” the United States.”

    http://nsnbc.me/2013/07/06/maduro-venezuela-will-offer-snowden-political-asylum-as-head-of-st/

  132. @Doug Scorgie: You don’t believe in democracy..Can you explain how you think the world should be run?

    I believe that democracy should be the preferred system by default, and that movements in this direction are to be encouraged. However I also believe that dictatorships or regimes that would take away people’s freedoms should be prevented from coming to power, namely Communism, fascism and Islamism. Overthrowing Hitler, the Soviet Union, and Morsi (especially once he had made himself “Pharaoh” and introduced an Islamist constitution) were all good IMO.

    For applying the Kissinger principle in practice, I would say that civil and economic freedoms are an important touchstone. Thus Swedish socialism is not problematic. Venezuela under Chavez was becoming borderline IMO. As for Cuba, I wish the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded, but what’s done is done. Now it may be best to normalise relations with Cuba as America did with Vietnam, and encourage them to give more freedom to teir citizens.

  133. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 12:38 pm

    The price of oil.

    RIP the 167 who died on this day 25 years ago in the Piper Alpha disaster. It was horrendous.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/piper-alpha-disaster-anniversary-film-announced-1-2917576

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_Alpha

  134. O/T

    M. Gove is such a didactic Gay

    “language in playgrounds that wasn’t effectively policed.”

    Nothing better to do, than teach the world how to behave, is he thinking he is the Education Secretary of the world now? Everyone knows how “Gay” that is!!!!

    PS I is not a homophone, in fact I have many friends who are “Gay”, and I have called them so!!! (I hope the readers would laugh as much as I have writing about this pressing matter for Minister of Education)

  135. If you weren’t watching, the Lions have beaten the Wallabies 41 – 16

    Stick a fork in it

  136. @Abe Rene. 11 46am

    I think you are a brave one, trying to persuade with the teachings of Henry Kissinger. (“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac” 1973)

    For me somehow, the words “Kissinger” and “principle” don’t seem to belong in the same sentence.

    There must be a good grammatical reason.

    Or maybe it’s the impossible logic of it.

    Just plain tautological.

    As for democracy, I’m sure you will agree that democracy comes in many forms and the western military/industrial-controlled version has lost most of it’s credibility with anyone who cares to inform themselves.

    Before you swallow any more MSM opinions about Venezualan democracy you might enjoy Oliver Stone’s “South of the Border” and the brilliant Irish documentary “Inside the Coup”.

  137. After Egyptian Democracy Mk 1 I wouldn’t blame those on the streets for being wary of a repeat. The destruction by the army of the Gaza tunnels is an ominous sign given the strong popular support for the abused Palestinians.

    A couple of observations on how it can be:

    “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
    HL Mencken (1880 – 1956)

    “Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they’ve told you what you think it is you want to hear.
    Alan Corenk

    Whether it ends up as just another pro-Israel/US stitch-up or not will surely depend on how much support the generals get from the lower ranks.

    Venezuala has shown that once lower ranks give their allegiance to the population then the generals, corporate oligarchs and bishops lose their power.

    I wish the Egyptians well.

  138. I believe that democracy should be the preferred system by default, and that movements in this direction are to be encouraged.

    Is this from miss Ohio’s speech when she won her first beauty pageant?

    What democracy are we talking about? The current O’cracy brand we all are subjected to, is anything but what it says on the tin. To find the failed O’cracy subjects then pontificating how others should or should not live their lives, is a bit of a “does not compute” conundrum.

    Further considering that Hitler lived, way, way, back in the last century, and since then the war criminals in US have surpassed the tally of the dead he had chalked up by a factor of umpteen. This getting achieved in a state of perpetual war, that has been initiated to stop the domino effect across the planet of some trumped up and contrived menace or other. There seems to be little point of pulling the rickety old skeleton of the mustachioed Austrian painter, to make a point.

    Fascism, was defined by the other poster boy of propriety Il Duce:

    The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone

    Freedom of choice, Freedom of speech, Freedom of expression, as currently exercised in US won’t you agree?

    Best learn what these labels entail before using them perhaps. The notion that every system is wrong other than the only system prescribed by the good old US, itself is another fascist doctrine:

    empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement

    Finally “Islamism” or political arrangements derived from the Islamic principles, evidently ought to be rejected and replaced either with “christian/Judaic/atheistic/secular” values instead, so that O’cray can flourish as per the prescribed parameters outlined in the above principles set out.

    This is just fine and dandy for the resource stealing, gun toting apple pie loving marauders, but what is in it for their victim/target nations?

  139. It was of course Muslim Brotherhood member Morsi who replaced the anachronistic Chief-of-Staff Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, a Western Army stooge, by Abdul Fatah al-Sisi, a US trained intelligence officer.

    It is clear to me the West were mindful of Arab intensity and formulated a probability contrivance in case of revolt against Morsi that would then shift power back to the Egyptian army.

    The Egyptian army are tools of the CIA.

  140. “As for Cuba, I wish the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded…” Abe.

    That says it all, Abe. You’d like the CIA and the Mafia to be in control of a country.

    I agree about normalising relations, of course. It should’ve been done decades ago, but it’s ongoing hyper-power vindictiveness – ‘step out of line and we’ll freeze you out’.

  141. “… applying the Kissinger principle in practice…” Abe Rene.

    What, you mean death squads, torture, carpet bombing, systemic rape and the assassination of an elected president?

  142. Wrt Egypt, it seems it is Hobson’s Choice b/w various Right-wing autocracies/de facto elected or unelected dictatorships, all of which are US stooges. An ‘Algerian Civil War’ situation now may develop.

  143. Mark Golding said;

    West were mindful of Arab intensity and formulated a probability contrivance in case of revolt against

    How about:

    West were mindful of Arab intensity and formulated a probability contrivance in case of revolt against the rule of iniquitous stooges of the West ie Mubarak and sons, and allowed Morsi to be shoed-in as a stop gap, and a means of buying time. Post the austere of Mubarak and thereafter Tantawi, rule of Morsi period proved to be a great asset in dividing the Egyptian opposition, that in turn could lead to reinstatement of the next Western trained and trusted pair of hands at the helm.

  144. “However I also believe that dictatorships or regimes that would take away people’s freedoms should be prevented”

    Does that include corporate corrupted “democracies” ? In which policies are bought by buying/”funding” politicians ? Not much “people’s freedom” around when needed to oppose a paid for corporate vested interest.

    “As for Cuba, I wish the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded, but what’s done is done.”

    So you wished that a foreign military intervention had succeeded in overthrowing a popular revolution that had got rid of a corrupt & vicious one-man dictatorship who was selling out his own country to foreign interests, and committing horrendous human rights abuses against his own people ?!

    “and encourage them to give more freedom to teir citizens.”

    Don’t you think that trying to win back the freedoms that we have steadily been losing in the last few years, would put us in a better position to “encourage” others ?

  145. “Swedish socialism is not problematic”

    The Swedes must be relieved.

    “Venezuela under Chavez was becoming borderline IMO”

    Borderline what? Chavez won majorities of 60%. That’s not borderline, that’s called a clear democratic mandate.

  146. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 2:53 pm

    Some unfunny jeering under the cover of satire on The News Quiz earlier from Ms Toksvig et al about Edward Snowden and his appeals for asylum and President Morales’ jet.

    ‘Who couldn’t Bolivia the way the US treated him this week?

    ‘Edward Snowden has applied for asylum in up to 12 different countries. I think that comes across as a bit needy……’ etc etc

    A satirical review of the week’s news, chaired by Sandi Toksvig. With Jeremy Hardy, Susan Calman, Jason Cook and Hugo Rifkind.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0368rf4

    Rifkind, Murdoch hack, is the son of the reliable stooge Sir Malcolm, chair Intelligence and Security Committee who goes right back to 1974 with Heath and then Thatcher who became party leader in 1975 and PM in 1979.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Rifkind

  147. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 2:56 pm

  148. Faming June, thanks, I didn’t realise that about Hugo Rifkind. Yes, I listen into that show and often enjoy it, find it funny and clever, while driving (usually to work), though as with most such shows, there often seems to be a self-satisfied air of ‘metropolitan in-club’ about it. But I’m probably just a demonic ‘Darth Vader’ frustrated writer!

    But I did pick up on what you’re referring to about Snowden. They also attacked Murdoch, but this is a little akin to corporate humour, it seems to me, and might tend to reinforce power. It’s certainly not the Theatre of the Oppressed.

    I have to say – I’m sorry if this offends anyone – that I hardly ever tend to find the Scottish comedienne on it that funny – is that Calman? Some people have a good radio voice and others do not. The pitch and manner of her radio voice irritates me. I think a lot of her material seems laboured and the punch-lines don’t always deliver.

  149. @Passerby 2 11pm

    Thanks for putting that together.

    “…empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement…”

    Il Duce sure saw how that bit worked. And he had the confidence and charisma to expect and receive from enough Italians to assume Status AA++, as “The One who has Everything Worked Out”.

    Primate’s hardwired fatal flaws. A tendency to defer to high status and the malleability to be controlled by conformity and fear.

    Well illustrated by Attenborough in “The Life of Primates”.

    I remember one sequence which starts with the classic mugshot of a blissed-out japanese snow monkey above the steamy water of a hot-spring pool. After a few moments, that give a sense of the zen stillness of the scene, the camera slowly zooms out.

    At first the other five or so aristocratic bathers can be seen, then the burly hench-monkeys patrolling the pool edge for feeding and mating privilages, and finally the lumpen-primatariat, about thirty sad little wretches sitting hunched up with cold amongst the snow-strewn boulders, accepting their place in primate order.

    More musings from Dr Haider Shah on the primate behaviour theme.

    http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C09%5C24%5Cstory_24-9-2011_pg3_6

    Victims waiting for the next war-cult to arrive.

    How many times are we human’s going to follow these roads to hell, sure of deluded certainties fed them by corporate media narratives?

  150. Doug Scorgie  – 

    “So Jemand you are one of those right-wing wankers that only believes in democracy when it gives the result you want. … If I’m wrong please let me and the other posters know what your stance on democracy is.”

    I’m so sorry, Doug (anti-caucasian), but you are wrong – I am none of those things you regularly accuse me, and others, of. You might want to read Craig’s recent comment regarding falsely accusing commentators of motives etc. 

    I also don’t need to state my “stance” on democracy for you or “other posters” whom you presume to represent, because you are nothing to me.

    Maybe you would like to elaborate on your uniquely succinct “democracy is democracy” theory. Was that the title of your thesis paper with an online university?

  151. And Abe, supporting the Bay of Pigs operation is not ‘supporting democracy’. I mean, the USA was supporting dictatorships in ‘Latin’ America for many decades and Cuba was a prime example. The Bay of Pigs was an attempt to restore the rule of the Mafia/CIA/Batista. So to claim that the Bay of Pigs was an attempt to bring democracy to Cuba is like claiming Jack the Ripper was a feminist.

    In fact, Castro was not a committed Communist at the time of the Cuban Revolution. He was a self-determination nationalist. He wanted good relations with the USA but was rejected because they wanted full spectrum exploitation as they’d had before. And so, Castro was driven by the USA into the waiting arms of the USSR.

  152. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    6 Jul, 2013 - 4:48 pm

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324399404578583932317286550.html#articleTabs=article

    “Egyptians would be lucky if their new ruling generals turn out to be in the mold of Chile’s Augusto Pinochet, who took power amid chaos but hired free-market reformers and midwifed a transition to democracy. If General Sisi merely tries to restore the old Mubarak order, he will eventually suffer Mr. Morsi’s fate.”

    Yes. This is the prefect (sic) solution.

  153. Cute & very smart little Egyptian ;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeDm2PrNV1I&feature=share

  154. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    Afraid that the name of Susan Calman has never registered with me Suhayl. I see her Dad is the well known chief medical officer first of Scotland and then of England. Sir Kenneth Calman.

    http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/susan-calman-death-threats-for-independence-satire-1-2914670

    The bunch on the News Quiz are rather too precious.

    ~~~

    What a stench is arising from the dirty tricks now being disclosed that followed Stephen Lawrence’s murder. How his poor mother has stuck with the case, goodness knows.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/five-police-forces-investigated-over-alleged-stephen-lawrence-smear-campaign-8691089.html

  155. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 5:55 pm

  156. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    The ex IAEA head and US/UN place person is about to be named as the interim prime minister of Egypt according to Reuters.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_ElBaradei

  157. Kinoh Noh and Flaming June thanks for the information and for signing the Epetition. I’ve added a photo to my blog which might help the numbers which are now in double figures. At least it should raise a smile. These things can snowball.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/edward-snowden-and-interception-of.html

    It is in all our interests to sign this. It is in all our interests to try and get our friends to sign it too. So sign and spread please.

  158. “Afraid that the name of Susan Calman has never registered with me Suhayl. I see her Dad is the well known chief medical officer first of Scotland and then of England. Sir Kenneth Calman.” Flaming June.

    I didn’t know that, either. Thanks again. Gosh, is everybody somebody’s son or daughter? If you see what I mean. Britain really is like that, still – increasingly, again.

  159. http://blogs.aljazeera.com/liveblog/topic/egypt-21121

    ElBaradei #Egypt’s new PM. “Failed to win through the ballet box, needed to be installed by the military” was chant on #NassrCity #Egypt
    6:17 PM – 6 Jul 2013

  160. “Afraid that the name of Susan Calman has never registered with me Suhayl. I see her Dad is the well known chief medical officer first of Scotland and then of England. Sir Kenneth Calman.”

    Maybe it’s best not to take humour too seriously Mary.

    I must say that what it said in the link about her getting death threats from Scots Nationalists and being called a self loathing Scot is somewhat disturbing.

  161. OT BREAKING: Boeing 777 Crashes in San Francisco. Reported to be making emergency landing.

  162. Britain does not play with Islam, the religion and belief of millions; Britain secretly and covertly plays with Islamism or political Islam. Political Islam, is an altogether different creature from the spiritual interpretation of Muslim life as contained in the Five Pillars of Islam.

    The British direction to America found political Islam to be a convenient partner during each stage of the US empire building project in the Middle East, from its early entry into the region to its gradual military encroachment, to its expansion into an on the ground military presence, and finally to the emergence of the US as an army of occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan and covertly in Libya and Syria.

    This present situation, the deceptive arms length British intervention in Syria seems insurmountable, overwhelming, forget it. Not so; knowledge unites and culture connects us, the people. That connection and the power of intention can force the impossible to become achievable.

    Intention can settle the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in a manner that guarantees justice for the Palestinians; an independent state that is geographically and economically viable, tied to the withdrawal of illegal Israeli settlements, an Israeli return to its 1967 borders, and a stable and equitable division of Jerusalem.

    That, more than any other action, would remove a global casus belli for the Islamic right.

    Intention can dismantle U.S. military bases in the Persian Gulf and facilities in Saudi Arabia, force a sharp reduction in the visibility of the U.S. Navy, US military training missions, and US arms sales and distribution to terrorists.

    Intention can fragment British and American visions of democracy, where freedom and justice are the wrappings of intrusion and the empowerment of serfs.

    Intention can force Britain and America to abandon their propensity to make bellicose warlike and hostile threats directed at nations in the Middle East.

    The Internet is our tool our hand-shake our embrace.

  163. http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214/history/20130706/0730ZZ/RKSI/KSFO

    Asiana 214 (Track inbound flight)
    AAR214 · “Asiana” (all flights)
    Incheon Int’l (RKSI / ICN)

    San Francisco Intl (KSFO)
    Terminal I

    Live closeup of crash now on CNN

  164. https://path.com/p/1lwrZb

    I just crash landed at SFO. Tail ripped off. Most everyone seems fine. I’m ok. Surreal…
    — David Eun at San Francisco International Airport (SFO) (Airport)

    Looks like most passengers survived.

  165. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    6 Jul, 2013 - 9:37 pm

    Mark @ 8:13

    Conquistador……….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F945LQG6fuA

  166. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    6 Jul, 2013 - 9:41 pm

    ‘I’d love to change the World’ TYA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzrUqAtUcpU

  167. If it were fact that a jumbo-jet fell out of the sky, somewhere or the other every single day, year after year for the last 100 years, would you continue to fly?

    Yet a similar if not more number of people have been killed day-after-day, year-upon-year in the last century or so in wars where human beings kill their own species, other human-beings. It hasn’t stopped war. Activist’s protests hasn’t changed that. We each have to ask ourselves the question WHY? WHY do human beings continue to kill each other? The quest for an answer lies very, very deep — inwardly. How many people ask themselves this question and work hard sincerely to understand the whole process of how this comes to be, how this has come to pass? The future is the past.

  168. Two short clips of plane on fire at San Francisco airport after crash landing. Reports that all passengers and crew are safe.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqhYbkhaqy4&feature=youtu.be

  169. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 10:11 pm

    Fred When I said that Susan Calman had never registered with me, I meant to say that I have never heard of her!

  170. Flaming June

    6 Jul, 2013 - 10:16 pm

    There is no show without Punch.

    Egyptian army had no choice over move to topple Morsi, says Tony Blair
    Alternative to military intervention was a country in chaos, says former prime minister

    Toby Helm and Martin Chulov

    The Observer, Saturday 6 July 2013 21.22 BST
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/07/egypt-army-morsi-tony-blair

    [..]
    Taking a different approach to both President Obama and William Hague, who have expressed reservations over the military takeover, Blair makes clear that, overall, he believes it was the right move. “I am a strong supporter of democracy. But democratic government doesn’t on its own mean effective government. Today efficacy is the challenge.” Having taken this country to war in Iraq in 2003 despite huge public opposition, including a march by more than a million people through London, Blair now argues that shows of public unrest such as that in Egypt – fuelled and organised through social media – cannot be ignored.

    “This is a sort of free democratic spirit that operates outside the convention of democracy that elections decide the government. It is enormously fuelled by social media, itself a revolutionary phenomenon.

    “And it moves very fast in precipitating crisis. It is not always consistent or rational. A protest is not a policy, or a placard a programme for government. But if governments don’t have a clear argument with which to rebut the protest, they’re in trouble.”

    [..]

  171. Ken Calman (as he was known to everyone then) used to give us lectures at university in the mid-1980s in Glasgow; he’s an oncologist and was an excellent lecturer. He seemed like a pleasant, approachable guy. More recently, he chaired a commission on Scottish Devolution which was opposed by the SNP; hence, possibly the context for the seeming viciousness of the reaction to his daughter’s comments/jokes on the subject. Fred, it’s not at all disturbing, it’s silly, plays into the ‘dour Scot’ stereotype and no doubt was excellent publicity for Ms Calman. After all, she’s not exactly Jerry (‘Gobshite’) Sadowitz.

    Mark, 8:13pm, today – excellent post.

  172. ATC audio http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3

    Explains the original (incorrect) report that the pilot declared an emergency prior to landing. Amazingly Asiana 214 declared an emergency after landing. ATC were in communication with the crew after it came to a stop.

    Looks like they just came in just too damned low. They came in for a visual approach as ILS was apparently not available due to “upgrades in progress”. Seconds before the incident ATC comms shows the pilots thought everything was fine.

    Some reports say they may have tried to gain some more height at the very last moment.

  173. ‘At least 1 killed, 60 reported missing as runaway Canada oil train explosion forces town evacuation (VIDEO, PHOTOS)’

    http://rt.com/news/quebec-canada-train-fire-741/

  174. “ATC audio”

    I had heard that, Anon, and I swear I don’t see how those guys understand each other … I suppose it’s an acquired skill …

  175. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    6 Jul, 2013 - 10:51 pm

    I was going to register for commenting on Sibel Edmonds ‘Boiling Frogs’ until I got to the page which REQUIRES payment? Has anyone seen this crap before? I don’t cotton to paywalls. If you have a tip-jar/paypal ok. Voluntary is ok, but this……….

  176. I doubt the tower understood much either in real-time other than the callsign and eventual confirmation from Asiana 214 that they understood that response was on the way. The signal was very weak and it is a miracle they were transmitting at all. I think I can make out bits more of it but as CNN is sticking with “GARBLED” I’ll stick with that as well.

  177. The thing that struck me about footage of the plane-crash was the lack of a tail-fin anywhere near the plane. My speculation is centring on this. I am pleased there are only two reported deaths at the moment, though for two families this is going to devastate their summers. Ironically I have just finished an article on the Lockerbie mid-air explosion that caused the deaths of 270 people, one of them being the UN commissioner to Namibia, Bernt Carlsson, who was in the process of bringing multinationals who were exploiting Namibia’s natural resources, as well as its workers, to justice. The UN prosecution was inexplicably dropped after Carlsson’s death. Carlsson was another whistle-blower who died in an “accident”. More later on this. Of course I am not trying to draw a parallel between the crash at San Francisco airport and Lockerbie.

    Sweden, a former model of human-rights and peace initiatives has been turned round by public relations’ companies like Prime, with the blessing of Karl Rove, the man who rigged the election that got George W Bush illegally elected, through his electronic voting system. So if the numbers of people signing the Epetition for removing US spy stations from UK soil appears to be stagnating that might be due to external influences.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/edward-snowden-and-interception-of.html

  178. Approach slope of yesterday’s landing of AAR 214 compared to today’s crash http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/Paneuropean/BOhIDCWCUAApHFV_zps37237b1c.jpg

    From pprune forum member “Paper Tiger”

  179. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    6 Jul, 2013 - 11:59 pm

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/venezuela-nicaragua-talk-asylum-edward-snowden/story?id=19592860#.UdihQeDTKFJ

    “There is also the private-flight option. Reports last week quoted the cost of a private plane to Ecuador to be more than $200,000 on one of the few private jets that could make the trip without refueling. Similar flights to Venezuela or Nicaragua would presumably be only a bit less.”

    I’d kick-in a few shekels…

  180. @Suhayl Saadi

    Just think about what you are saying here. There isn’t anything silly about death threats. It isn’t about playing into stereotypes and it isn’t about publicity.

    It’s just about threats and intimidation.

  181. The thing that struck me about footage of the plane-crash was the lack of a tail-fin anywhere near the plane.

    Lack of tail-fin? It’s an absolute effing miracle so much of the rest of the plane is intact at the speed it slammed into the ground. Looks like only a very last second application of power got them over land. Last transmitted track-log was “climb”.

  182. BrianFujisan

    7 Jul, 2013 - 12:27 am

    OT’ish
    Attempted Setup of Luke Rudkowski

    i’ve been hearing of more of the elite’s Lowest of the Low, dirty tricks to catch out Alternative media journalist’s, and whistle blowers, first it was allegations of Rape, now they are planting Child Porn on Target computers.

    I wonder who’s children the bastards don’t give a fuck about planting around the globe.

    we know how evil the establishment are with all the carnage they have been causing just non stop really for the last decade or so, and always blood thirsty for more, And they blood letting gets ever More Ghastly – ( Syria )

    but this sicking child porn weaponry they have been using, leaves one just numb,

    Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange.org received an email from an anonymous sender claiming to be a Bilderberg whistleblower with attached photos from inside the 2013 Bilderberg meeting at the Grove Hotel in Watford, England. The email was sent to his personal email address that he has had since high school, not one of his work or WeAreChange email addresses. Luke opened the email from another computerand it stated that the person wanted Luke to break the story so he was sending him these photos exclusively and specifically stated that Luke needed to download the photos. Fortunately before downloading, Yahoo gives a preview of the photos and the photos were actually graphic child pornography. Luke has had his computer searched by forensics when going into Canada to cover the G20 when they searched him and interrogated him for hours, something like this could happen again when we come back to the U.S. from travelling Europe. Had this been the case, even with deleting, they would still find the images. There would be no understanding of the true story and he would be facing a felony charge. Besides that also completely jeopardizing his work, reputation and livelihood. We wanted to make this public for Luke‘s safety and also for people to be aware that this kind of thing happens. We do not know who this was, all we know is that it is so important for anyone in this line of work to remain extremely vigilant.

    THE EMAIL ADDRESS WAS s27du23d@tormail.org. IF ANYONE CAN HELP FIND OUT WHO THIS PERSON IS, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

  183. Hearing that this Quebec oil train crash may be worse than reported up to now.

    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/10073#comment-969405

    Leanan

    Holy guacamole. It’s bad. Really, really bad. Only one person confirmed dead, but a hundred still missing, a thousand evacuated, and the town “cut in half as if by a knife” because of the fires in the downtown area.

    “Leanan” is Oil Drum “staff”

  184. Ben @ 9:37

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA

    “And although my eyes were open they might have well have been closed…”

  185. Fred

    She added: “If we could stop the random name-calling, the swearing, the death threats (real or otherwise) then perhaps we could get somewhere.

    A satirical complains about death threats “real or otherwise”. Hmm…

    http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/7305-death-threat-comedienne-refused-to-appear-on-newsnight-scotland

    ‘Death threat’ comedienne refused to appear on Newsnight Scotland
    12
    Some online commentators have questioned whether death threats were received at all and have asked the comedienne for evidence. There have also been questions over claims by Ms Calman of “a blog which is pretty abusive towards me”, with many people claiming to be unable to find such a blog.

    Newsnet Scotland has contacted the Scotsman newspaper asking if they had seen evidence of the death threats.

    Ms Calman’s facebook page has since been taken down.

    In a tweet to Ms Calman, Newsnet Scotland condemned unequivocally any and all online abuse and threats. We also asked the comedienne to clarify the nature of the alleged death threats, but have yet to receive a reply.

  186. satirical complains

    satirical comedienne complains

    But anyway, just to be clear: I’m all in favour of being against imaginary non-real death threats. As well as real ones obviously.

  187. BrianFujisan
    7 Jul, 2013 – 12:27 am

    Very important post Brian thank-you. GCHQ special division P666 – (is that the devil’s porn) specialise, also terrrror is used.

    I had an email ‘advising’ I would be shot dead if I left my house after 8pm. The email was routed via Pakistan, the IP was from a ‘Chinese’ block allocation.

    Edward should have made that very clear to us…

  188. Suhayl said, “…and so, Castro was driven by the USA into the waiting arms of the USSR.

    While absolutely correct, the point deserves expansion. Any government not “playing ball” (i.e. acting as a client state), and failing to be a stooge for exploitation of its people and natural resources on behalf of corporate America, will be termed as an unfriendly administration.

    If the people are behind that government, having enthusiastically supported a move to direct the resources of their country to the majority of the people, it may be deemed that the entire nation is “going communist”. This is where useful idiots like old Abe come in, nodding in agreement when suggestions like those of Kissinger are aired – old Abe would doubtless also agree that Vietnam villages had to be destroyed in order to save them.

    Tiny countries are a particular threat, because they can demonstrate how the masses can fair well given more even distribution of resources. If tiny countries can show healthcare, education, wealth distribution and power sharing can actually work well, then this is a massive threat to much more wealthy countries where there still exists grinding poverty. Not to mention, horror at the idea of fair distribution among the investor classes.

    In the case of Castro, as with many others, he was actually forced to either accept assistance from the USSR, or abandon the revolution altogether, or to let his people be utterly destitute. The US allowed no other option. Cuba is a tiny country. They have to trade to survive – the US neither would trade with it, nor would they allow any “allies” to trade. Left with no option, such countries turn to the only possibility left, which allows the US to shriek and gasp, “They’re turning to the commies!!”. Shock and horror. Now we can really turn the guns on them.

    What a pitiful, tiny stooge old Abe is – parroting this same washed out line decades after being so discredited.

  189. From ATC recording

    Departing Aircraft (United 285?): “We may need a few more minutes – just a heads up

    ATC: “United 85(?) hold short of runway 28 left. Advise when ready.”

    I think the crew on the ground about to take off saw this coming. That “heads up” was about 5-10 seconds from impact.

  190. 6 july – Former British MP condemns media ban on Iranian channels
    Former British Conservative MP Derek Conway condemned the decision by the international Satellite providers to take dozens of Iranian channels, including Press TV, off the air.
    Speaking on Press TV’s weekly debate program Comment, Conway said, “I just wonder as someone who’s been involved in politics for 40 years of my life, how you can preach about freedom of speech, if you don’t encourage it”.
    You don’t have to like what Iran says. What people have to say is of interest and you listen and maybe you disagree, maybe you go somewhere else for a view, it’s called freedom of speech”, he added. ..

    Iranian officials say they are determined to take legal action against the illegal media ban and are preparing to take the case to the United Nations (UN).
    Press TV and other Iranian satellite channels have been taken off the air regardless of mutual contracts and agreements in several Western countries including Britain, France, Germany and Spain.
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/06/312544/exuk-mp-slams-ban-on-iranian-channels/

  191. yet this is the Norman Pattiz-founded Alhurra western/zionist propaganda channel!

    ABC America – Israelis Strip-Search Arab Journalist at US Party
    The U.S.-funded Alhurra network said Thursday that one of its cameramen was interrogated and strip-searched by Israeli security men while covering a July 4 party at the U.S. ambassador’s residence near Tel Aviv.

    The Arab satellite channel had coordinated with the Israeli prime minister’s office to cover the event on behalf of the international media. Ambassador Dan Shapiro, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other VIPs were in attendance. But when cameraman Samer Jallad arrived, he said he was detained for questioning, ordered to remove his shoes and sit in the sun for more than half an hour, and then taken to a room where he was forced to remove his pants for a body inspection. He said he was held for more than 90 minutes before he was permitted to enter…

    Jallad, who said he has covered Netanyahu on many occasions, is a Palestinian from east Jerusalem who holds full Israeli residency rights and has a government-issued press card…

    “We find it especially shameful that a staffer of a U.S.-funded network would be the victim of racial profiling at an official U.S. event celebrating American Independence Day,” the Foreign Press Assoc said…

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israelis-strip-search-arab-journalist-us-party-19581321?#.UdgqxKwr9y0

  192. There have been no details given of the alleged threats to Ms. Calman following the second last episode of the last series of News Quiz, the whole thing had the whiff of a stunt about it from start to finish, it was initiated by Miles Jupp and it should have been edited out of the transmitted program and Jupp banished, along with other right-wing twits like Rifkind and Finkelstein being given their marching orders back to Conservative Central Casting Orifice. As far as I am aware there has not been a mite of substantiation and if true it would surely have – should have – become a police matter. This smeary story never got off the starting block, despite the big bad BBC itself knee deep in the smelly plot thinking again that it ‘the institution’ is itself the news, rather than the real word outside their over-spun lovey-bubble, this time tragi-comically dragging along some other bad news outlets all to eager to serve the inglorious union that keeps these publishers afloat and these pretendy papers first among the dangerous playthings in the quislings’ toy-boxes. The media is never so ridiculous as when caught smelling their own farts in the glare of a full moon.

    I can just about forgive Flaming June for posting a link to the Scotsman story which, like all of their effusions is in the category of remaindered imaginative fiction, with added infinite improbability; the source cited desperately wanted for comparision with reality, falling far below usual FJ standards. Fred however is no innocent abroad: emerging from some cave, with matted locks and his once fine garb reduced to rags, clutching tightly a sheaf of well-thumbed last season’s newsprint, some slightly soiled with indeterminate stains of organic origin, and has clipped out this very piece with his bare gnashers, and though now shaped like a pie crust, this article had fired a laggard neuron or two in his noggin -he thinks he scents something, his hobby horse is set a-rockin, knees-trembling, this new scent it mixes with the odours emanating from his full library of learned chip wrappers as they fly in all directions. It’s the holey-grail of a discarded smear campaign -ripe for reanimation, ‘McEureka’ he cries.

    Pungent gaseous media emissions, they drift for many miles backwards and forwards, in all directions, collect especially in low places and take you unawares –don’t succumb. This non-story has been so discussed to death in Independence forums, the story is old and tiresome. Ms. Calman has a rather hyperbolic style with a porous border delimiting fact from farrago, she did once describe a bus trip from Glasgow to Somewhere as ‘her Vietnam’!

  193. Mister Clapper's lapbone

    7 Jul, 2013 - 3:16 am

    Re Luke Rudkowski, that setup looks more likely to be an attack on tormail, a boon to mankind (try it out!), than on Icke’s gang, who have made themselves enormously useful to the permanent state by garnishing awkward facts with easy-mock lizard overlords.

  194. “I had an email ‘advising’ I would be shot dead if I left my house after 8pm. The email was routed via Pakistan, the IP was from a ‘Chinese’ block allocation.” Mark

    This sounds a little like Zerzetsen (see also under Roderick Russell). Mind you, perhaps it was the same people who allegedly made the “death threats” against Ms Calman.

    Glenn, 2:08am, 7.7.13: Wrt Cuba/imperialism, yes, agree.

    Cryptonym, 3:02am, 7.7.13: Interesting. Yes, it seems likely to have become very useful for the anti-independence lobby. So if someone did post ‘death threats’, one would have to ponder on just who that might’ve been.

    Fred, at the Witching Hour: I did think about what I wrote, earlier, as I do about everything I write, since this is a public forum and I am a (sort of) semi-public figure not using a different name.

    Perhaps, though, we ought to have a high index of suspicion, given the political and entertainment contexts (which, unless Mark Golding has become a stand-up comic and unless his father is chairing a commission which, it has been argued, was an attempt to help stymie independence, are unlikely to apply to him). If one is against Scottish independence, one might well see the ‘Calman’ alleged incident as useful ‘comms’/PR/propaganda with which to tar the pro-independence lobby.

    And finally, after all, Calman may well be a lovely person, just like her dad, and I take my hat off to anyone who can stand up on stage make anyone laugh night after night (it’s not an easy job), but she’s not exactly Lenny Bruce.

  195. Flaming June

    7 Jul, 2013 - 7:52 am

    Oddie. The treatment of the cameraman Samer Jallad is appalling.

    This retired Israeli general who once escaped arrest at Heathrow after a tip off, now decides not to risk coming here despite assurances of immunity.

    http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9651:suspected-war-criminal-doron-almog-cancels-uk-visit-despite-offer-of-immunity-by-uk-government&catid=145:in-focus

  196. The nationalists are really showing their true colours on this one, seems the victim of the crime is guilty unless proved innocent.

    I think it is obvious that death threats “real or otherwise” means death threats made by someone intending to carry them out and those which are empty threats. Yet in the Nationalist mind it means something different, they imply it means the victim made it up. If she appears on TV regarding the matter she is publicity seeking and if she doesn’t she has something to hide.

    Bullying and intimidation are Nationalist tactics, you just have to read this blog to see that. Those are the tactics of Nationalism everywhere. Complain about the bullying and intimidation and you will be demonised.

    You want evidence?

    “Fred however is no innocent abroad: emerging from some cave, with matted locks and his once fine garb reduced to rags, clutching tightly a sheaf of well-thumbed last season’s newsprint, some slightly soiled with indeterminate stains of organic origin, and has clipped out this very piece with his bare gnashers, and though now shaped like a pie crust, this article had fired a laggard neuron or two in his noggin -he thinks he scents something, his hobby horse is set a-rockin, knees-trembling, this new scent it mixes with the odours emanating from his full library of learned chip wrappers as they fly in all directions. It’s the holey-grail of a discarded smear campaign -ripe for reanimation, ‘McEureka’ he cries.”

    There is your evidence of Nationalist bullying and intimidation.

  197. Flaming June

    7 Jul, 2013 - 8:33 am

    Egypt crisis: Oil giants BP and BG Group withdraw expat staff as violent clashes erupt
    Oil giants BP and BG Group have pulled about 160 expatriate staff out of Egypt as violent clashes erupt across the country.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10163935/Egypt-crisis-Oil-giants-BP-and-BG-Group-withdraw-expat-staff-as-violent-clashes-erupt.html

    Note the LNG contributions to Egypt from Qatar.

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