The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Link for above: http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Infantry-Weapons/Walther-PP-and-PPK-self-loading-pistols-Germany.html
@Thomas
Thanks for the comments re Surrey Security Ltd. Where could I find the original poster’s comments, if they’re still available?
So re: the missing years.
When was AH at Elektra,how long was he there ?
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Glad to see the site is up and running again..i can now resume interesting reading!
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There is absolutely nothing on that page.
“I āthinkā Iāve cottoned on now to what you mean Ferret. I thinkā¦”
Al-Hilli was building a giant ray gun to take over the world with, and RAF man’s real name is Bond.
So what was the million euros for?
And having a million euros in a carrier bag might be why he beefed up security at home?
It’s not like changing the locks would do much if he was forced to sell the house under terms of the will?
“So re: the missing years.”
There’s a picture of him loading up his stuff into a Luton van, so he was off somewhere for a while, although he might have just been moving his stuff out of the family home and into a flat?
It actually gets more strange !
Morning all.
I’m trying to understand why he’d work for Iran rather than his own country….. if indeed he was.
“Iām trying to understand why heād work for Iran rather than his own country”
Iraq belongs to America, Iran is free and has plenty of money to pay for knowledge.
Thanks Dave.
Them that have ears, will hear.
Dave,yes,but as he hated Americans [ and probably us ] this could be his way of fighting back by helping Iran go nuclear & a smack in the face for the Yanks & Israel ?
Ferret,
I am just trying to think logic and always asking the most important question: “cui bono?”
Therefore i can see absolutely no sense why iran should have any kind of interest to attack the UK in a (nuclear) terror attack? That would of course cause a nuclear retaliation. Cui bono?
Therefore i believe that somebody who is said to be such a genius would have rather worked for the other side, helping to create a false flag operation for creating a reason to attack iran, supported by the population of all countries.
However, the genius could have stopped his work due to a bad conscience.
That is more likely – if your theory was true aboit the terror attack since iran would have no reasonable interest to attack first.
However, perhaps it was more simple and saad tried to sell satellite photos and gps data of israels hidden nuclear weapons? Such deals would link him to iran of course. Any other ideas about terror would link him to the other side or toeards private interests of UK locatedbillionaires.
Well I thought I’d cottoned on – and sorted the oil from the chaff- but, after pondering about bonfire night, I realise I was on the wrong track….and I’m “fikker” than I thought.
The only evidence that AH had any extremist sympathies come from the elusive Gary Aked. I find it unlikely that AH would have been working openly for SSTL without comprehensive background checks or that if he was involved in clandestine operations he would visit chatrooms and then tell somebody! More media disinformation methinks.
Does no one else think it’s a strange coincidence that the Claygate home was estimated to be worth Ā£800,000, Saad told a neighbour he was going to Iraq to do an Ā£800,000 deal, and the amount said to be in the Swiss account is in the region of Ā£800,000?
Ferret,
A so called london group financed by london arab billionaires was already in suspicion of having organised a serious false flag operation back in 2001. Saad can be linked to that group. Whether or not that group was responsible for the false flag operation in 2001 is theme of conspiracy theories of course and it has no officially backed up approval.
Bluebird.
Re: your last para.
āI first began to fathom the extent of ************ reach and corrupting influence when I was given responsibility for monitoring illegal transfers of technology and munitions to Iraq as well as overseeing all coalition transportation and communications reconstruction in Iraq. ”
JOHN A. SHAW (Opinion: former senior official of US Defense, State, and Commerce departments)āØ October 10, 2008
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/03/15/from-baghdad-to-chicago-rezko-and-the-auchi-empire/
A well known British Iraqi billionaire I’ve mentioned before.
Katie, we (both of us) follow a very similar path. I dont create conspiracy theories, though, but i rather research family links and links to organisations and i strictly follow the cui bono question.
That does not mean zhat my way is the right one. It is statisticallx just the most likely one, though the likelyhood is still only less than 15%.
@Bluebird
For once, I think it’s quite straightforward.
Iran would have an obvious interest in obtaining a powerful *deterrent* against imminent threats by Israel and the US.
While Mossad, CIA, MI6, DGSE (et al) would have an interest in making sure they didn’t.
See, for example: New ‘revelations’ of James Bond’s single-handed omnipotence may have been overdone at http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2012/jul/13/mi6-iran-nuclear-weapons (thanks to Felix for the link).
In terms of the actual mission, there may have been a twist in the tail, i.e. it could conceivably have been a sting operation by MI6 to catch AH playing away from home, or it might have been a straight deal – with the Iranians caught red-handed.
If the former, then BM becomes prime suspect, taking them all out with his trusty RAF-issue 7.65mm Walther PP, in quick-fire Mossad-style precision. If he was their handler or minder then this would account for Zainab saying she couldn’t tell the good guys from the bad guys (on the face of it, an odd thing to say).
If the latter, with grand shoot-out with Iranian(s), which may account better for reported 30s of automatic gunfire being heard, I was wondering, “so where are the dead Iranians, then?” Well, perhaps the 3 dead bodies trawled up in Lake Annecy a few days later by police (in an unrelated case) might account for them?
It’s just a thought… of course, there is (and will never be) any evidence for this, just joining dot-to-dot as one has to do in these cases.
Personally, I’m now leaning more towards the idea that they were there under British auspices, otherwise how could they have arranged for them all to be near BM’s safe-house? (And no, I don’t buy the idea that BM is a casual passer-by.)
If so, then the MI6 sting op seems the most likely.
Just my 2p, as always.
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And Ferret…
Not forgetting Universal Exports !
P.S. Those bodies in the lake. They found them by accident.
No reports, nothing known.
I think they also found the swimmer that was reported lost.
@Dopey
OK, forget Guy Fawkes night. A poor clue, in retrospect.
It would be better to focus on the Copenhagen element, a Roman might say.
Re: my 9-31 am post.
So what if AH were in the pocket of said billionaire & working towards something for Iran, then father dies & amongst his papers is a record of the corruption in Saddam’s regime/government, remember a lot of money went missing too, billions in fact.
Supposing the document lists names & one is a now billionaire who came to the UK in 81 & has bought grace & favour with royals & politicians……not only in the UK but globally……..the very one AH is in cahoots with,AH makes the mistake of telling him what he’s found !!!
The same man is well known for threatening editors & media with lawsuits, the same man who is big in Chicago. .
“Copenhagen element” Oh very good.
No reports, nothing known
Yes… I was really interested to find out how old they were… even roughly… if fresh, then *highly interesting*. Any follow-up reports?
Ferret…
Are you there ?
This maybe your link.
Is there a link for the drowned swimmers? Also the deadly car accident with the 4×4 pajero looks fishy when looking at the photo. Any names of victims released?
For you Ferret !
Have a read…and have a Ferret about.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374643/Libya-Can-right-unleash-dogs-war.html
@Ferret
9 Oct, 2012 – 5:50 am
From this tread:
https://www.flashback.org/t1955658
This is the nick of the poster:
https://www.flashback.org/u561000
ItĀ“s somebody who seems to know people at Elekta. I wouldnĀ“t give too much attention that in one comment the RAF-guy is described as dead ( as Katie noticed ), it was an early post and in the Swedish media it was quiet confusing an unclear to follow the case in the beginning.
The poster said he would check with his connections at Elekta for additional info some weeks ago, but unfortunately there where no more posts after that.
Haven’t looked yet, James, but funny you should mention Libya…
Bluebird, I’m thinking that while geopolitics is inextricably linked to this event, the way the West would justify a war with Iran would be to use the same kind of tactics they used with Libya and now with Syria, rather than a false flag attack of the 9/11 kind (as I think you are suggesting).