433 thoughts on “Why Does the State Hate Alex Salmond?

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  • Sharp Ears

    I hope Ms Bruce doesn’t get up to any tricks in tonight’s QT from Winchester as she did last week with Diane Abbott.

    I assume that Alex Salmond’s case will NOT be discussed or referred to on the programme, it being sub judice.

    ‘On the panel are
    Brexiteer and former Brexit minister who resigned her post over Theresa May’s deal, Suella Braverman MP,

    Shadow secretary of state of housing, John Healey MP,

    Chief leader writer at the Observer and former policy adviser to Ed Miliband, Sonia Sodha,

    Executive chairman of the communications agency Cicero Group, Iain Anderson,

    Express columnist and radio host on the weekday breakfast programme at LBC, Nick Ferrari.

  • John2o2o

    Indeed Craig. I strongly suspect that these charges are nothing more than a crude and outrageous smear against an outstanding politician.

    I sincerely hope that right will prevail and these false accusations will be treated with the contempt they deserve and that Mr Salmond will be cleared.

  • J. Hegarty

    This Alex Salmond persecution is bound to be payback for something he has said or done over the years. On seeing what Westminster has promised and reneged upon, has lied about, has covered up, money that it has hidden for its own members and their families, wars it has started for their own gain etc, etc, trying to ruin this man is absolutely par for the course, and of no surprise though it is infuriating to see him having to fight for his good name. But his he will do and Im sure he will win.

    • blissex

      Payback? Perhaps someone is very afraid of a Labour-SNP future government coalition, especially of the possibility that they may take the lid off some crimes and nasties eg the Skripal story

  • Jm

    Very telling that the usual trolls and sockpuppets with their multiple handles appeared so quickly after this thread appeared. Also some appeared who haven’t been around for a while.

    Almost like it’s orchestrated.

  • Jm


    Well I’m certain both your points are correct:but I meant orchestrated in the sense that they’ve been primed as part of the action-if it is a stitch-up job.

    • Tatyana

      it’s okay, in fact your spelling is correct, mine is wrong, but I’m already got used to it 🙂
      I’ve got short name Tanya or Tania, it is okay too.

      I wish I could answer your upper comment, Jm, but I don’t know the meaning of ‘to be primed as part’ and ‘stitch-up job’ 🙂 Sorry!

  • Tatyana

    editor-in-chief of RT and MIA Russia Today, Margarita Simonyan, reminded that another host of the political show on RT, Julian Assange, was also accused of “sexual” crimes.

    “Assange had the imprudence to sleep with a girl in Sweden. She liked everything, judging by the fact that a couple of days after this sex, she, with a white-toothed smile, took pictures with Assange at a party with friends. And then the police came to her. And made her recall anything for which Assange can be pinched.”
    Simonyan noted that a woman told a friend about this visit and the pressure of the police.

    “And she had to, of course, remember ‘at least something’. Specifically, that during one of the sexual acts, Assange did not put on a condom. But she did not give a clear and well-heard agreement. And for this, Karl, a person has not seen sunlight for six years.”

    source in russian

        • Squeeth

          Is that the Westminster that let the denizens of Scotland vote on the nature of the UK but not the English? What tactical ineptitude; if the population of England had been allowed to have a say, Scotland would be long gone. Mind you, you’d have to take Liverpool with you. ;O)

    • A. Bruce

      In the halcyon days of the 80’s the state could eliminate undesirable troublemakers like a Willie McCrae in broad daylight on a Scottish highland road without fear of a passing tourist bus or hikers armed with photo enabling smart phones.
      Nowadays other methods are used- character assassination, cleaner for the perpetrators and which leaves no discrepancy laden bits of evidence like holes in the back of the head and a gun metres distant from the supposed suicide victims car; no this time it’s dirtier for the victim who is still alive but smeared in shit which will stick for donkeys years.
      Used in the Assange case and now with Salmond, perfidious Albion thinks that they can kill the independence movement. Well that’s where they’re wrong.

  • Alasdair Galloway

    here’s one for you – maybe you can answer because no one else seems able to do so. The alleged events took place at a time/place unknown, but what we do know is that they took place during Salmond’s time as FM – ie before he resigned just after the referendum. During the course of the referendum Salmond (and Sturgeon as well) were importuned for almost everything except farting in bed (maybe I just missed that one). What I dont get is that given the predilection of politics to leak is how the number events needed to generate 14 different charges – two alleging rape and one breach of the peace, which by definition has to be difficult to keep quiet – never seemed to get out. How many editors would have given both legs and any other part of their anatomy for even one of these stories? How is it possible that these things could have happened without getting out?

    • Tatyana

      yes, and also Mr. Salmond does not look like a stupid person who is unable to understand ‘no’ 14 times.
      they should investigate if his door handle was sprayed with Sexychok.

    • Jo1

      Well, think further. The investigation done by MacKinnon only mentioned two, did it not? Involving harassment.

      So where have they dug up two attempted tapes, various sexual assaults and the rest from in such a short time?

      • kathy

        I assumed that most of the charges related to the two civil servants involved which would explain it. Is that a wrong assumption?

        • MaryPau!

          it seems rather unlikely that he would continually pester someone who had turned him down surely?

          • Tatyana

            There are ‘women with low social responsibility’, who exchange sexual service for financial profit.
            I think, it is far more likely that Mr. Salmond would buy such service, rather than harrassing or attemting to rape women around him.

          • Rhys Jaggar

            If you were wanting to frame someone, you would be a sex kitten who ‘liked being submissive’.

            A submissive kitten who likes a dominant man can easily be turned into a sexually assaulted shamed woman, no?

            Women are out there in their droves who want a man to be dominant and rough with them. There are plenty who simply tell men to get lost if they treat them gently and respectfully!

            Then there are women who will sleep with the boss as a career move. Thousands of them out there. No shame, a business transaction. Never a sexual harassment charge laid on women who dress up and flirt with the boss to try and hook them is it? But a bloke who responds can be charged? Yes sirree!

            Blokes need to wise up and realise sex at work is set up by women for women. It is a war zone with mines laid.

            Nobody ever looks at MI5 spook behaviour. On their terms any of the following should be career ending:

            1. Extramarital sex.
            2. BDSM sex.
            3. Homosexual and/or group sex.
            4. Sex in the office.
            5. Getting drunk.
            6. Taking any form of drugs, ever.
            7. Smoking.
            8. Taking abung.
            9. Bearing false witness.
            10. Gambling.

            I can assure you that MI5 drones are far from perfect, they are just as bad as politicians so should be punished the same way.

            Journalists are the same. Coke-snorting alcoholics, plenty of them.

            Why on earth does Joe Public rely on them, respect them, pay for them?


          • Tatyana

            Rhys, you’re mixing all together in one comment – intended sexual provocation, unintended provocation, hooking, inappropriate behavior – you say ‘war zone with mines laid’. Seems like you just not understand very simple thing – if not sure how to interpret someone’s behavior, just ask! That simple, just ask and get your ‘yes’ or ‘no’.

            We’ve been working side by side about a year and I never guessed he had special feeling about me. Friendly jokes at work and at Friday parties, may be frivolous sometimes, but no more frivolous than those from other colleagues. I never guessed who had sent me flowers for my birthday, until he asked if I would go on a date with him.
            Just ask. It is normal.

    • Herbie

      “How is it possible that these things could have happened without getting out?”

      Saved’em up to use as and when.

      I mean, you get your dirt in advance. You don’t wait until the time you want to take the guy down, and then go and get the dirt.


      It all goes on file until it’s needed.

      Anyway, I’m concerned about the number of charges, Very very catch-all fishy looking.

    • H R Anderson

      Alasdair well said. This has exercised me as well..not a “whiff” of scandal and the breach of the peace tacked on is so farcical. I mean how can anyone be charged retrospectively with a B of the P?

      • Tony Little

        Breach of the Peace in Scottish Law has a different scope than in England. The actual definition is: “conduct severe enough to cause alarm to ordinary people and threaten serious disturbance to the community”. So theoretically someone could claim after an event that they were “alarmed” by someone’s behavior which would prima facia be a “breach of the peace”.

        (To be clear, I’m not a lawyer, but this is what a lawyer told me, assuming I understood him correctly)

      • Herbie

        The British state is losing its ability to command the globe.

        So, it’s clamping down on the peeps at home.

        Ya gotta be able to bully someone, eh.

        • Rhys Jaggar

          British State command the globe?

          Did you fall asleep in 1940 and only wake up yesterday?

          Gavin Williamson could not command a visit to a knocking shop in NYC without asking Mike Pompeo nicely…..

          • Deb O'Nair

            “Gavin Williamson could not command a visit to a knocking shop in NYC without asking Mike Pompeo nicely…..”

            I think the YMCA is more up Gavin “shurrup and go away” Williamson’s street.

  • lwtc247

    Other than video footage and independent eyewitness testimony, what constitutes legal evidence for attempted rape? How can attempted rape charges be levied if there is no evidence, then the above cuttings probably explain it perfectly.

    • N_

      You might as well ask that question about any criminal charge. Many types of evidence can be brought, circumstantial and direct, forensic, from witnesses either independent or not independent. I suggest you stop posting smartarse comments to the internet such as how can charges be laid without any evidence and get your butt down to a court so you can watch a trial. If you really want to be a barrack-room advocate for Alex Salmond you can polish up some gems on the requirement for “corroboration” in Scots criminal law, and for that matter on the difference between testimony and evidence. Testimony only becomes evidence when it’s presented in court. Ergo the great Alex Salmond, avatar of his nation, must be getting fitted up. Right?

      • lwtc247

        N_ One would have thought with all those words you’d have managed to answer the question, alas.
        Forensic evidence of attempted rape, like what?

        • Tony Little

          The legal system in Scotland is different to rUK. My understanding is that in a case like this, if there is only one accuser and one defendant, it would be difficult to prosecute the case to a conclusion without other corroborating evidence. However, there is a principle (I can’t recall its legal term) that if numerous accusers come forward, this catalogue of claims can be considered as corroboration.

          It is of course open to argument as to how fair this is, but the principle would be in this case that many “victims” demonstrate a pattern of behavior which could then be collectively used against the defendant. It’s certainly not a perfect system, but it does explain why some cases are publicized to “encourage” other victims to come forward.

          • Chris Barclay

            In this case, the defence would try to show that there was collusion between the accusers with the intention of making their stories consistent. Given that the accusers were approached and encouraged to make their accusations, there are obvious grounds to suggest that they were fed a narrative.

      • michael norton

        It is possible that Salmond had made advances to a woman, and either he was rebuffed or not, does not really matter
        but if that woman, some time later, told a “friend” and that “friend” thought, “I’ll hang on to that information, I could use it against Salmond, when the time is ripe”

        This seems quite realistic.

  • N_

    Regarding my tip that the British high street banks most likely to go bust soonest are Santander (closing 140 branches) and Metro Bank, it’s worthy of note that Luke Johnson, owner of 37% of Patisserie Holdings which owns Patisserie Valerie, the cafe chain that went bust this week and is surrounded by fraud allegations, is also a non-executive director of Metro Bank. Johnson has also been involved with a big dentistry chain, parcel delivery, and “car park services”.

    It really can’t be long…….. It can’t be long………

  • J

    Obviously haven’t spent much time around here, otherwise you’d have some idea what you’re talking about.

  • N_

    I recently observed to somebody who has an MBA that the reason why house prices are so high in Britain is because of the propensity for banks to create such enormous debt. “What’s your source for that?” she asked, as if she were in the habit of forming conclusions on the basis of reasoning. So I had to explain it in baby language – you know, that prices are set by supply and demand, and that a large part of the demand for houses takes the form of borrowed money, and that if that borrowed money wasn’t there then demand would be smaller and prices would be lower. And this person had an MBA!!

    Sometimes when people ask “What’s your evidence for that?” I feel like saying “Not having shit for brains – that’s what”. Some people get so RESISTANT and CHALLENGING when there’s a danger they might learn something.

    This is not a comment on whatever evidence might be brought against Alex Salmond. It is a comment on much of the online discussion. I hope he gets a fair trial.

    • Chris Barclay

      Did she say “What’s your source for that?” or did she say “What’s your evidence for that?” ? There is a difference and it exposes the mindset. The emphasis on ‘source’ implies that she is prepared to believe anything from an organisation or body that she sees as ‘respectable’ without looking at the data they use and their methods of analysis. ‘Evidence’ however would be the data, in this case UK mortgage lending figures supplied by the FCA or the Bank of England.

      • N_

        She said “source”. I agree with what you say.

        It’s common knowledge that in most of the British housing market a big part of the purchase price is often borrowed. Some estate agents will even try to chase cash buyers away because there’s no chance for them to get a slice of a loan deal.

        • N_

          I know I sound like an old git, but manners and intelligence levels are both deteriorating. I don’t like being told to Google stuff either. I kind of like it in life that sometimes I speculate wildly without knowing much about something, and sometimes I do loads of reading and researching to be able to understand something deeply or form a well-backed opinion. Isn’t this part and parcel of being intellectually active? Just so long as a person knows whether they are doing one or the other or something in between. Those who tell another person to “Google” stuff will probably sit there with an open mouth if you tell them Google is an advertising company, and they will probably believe the first thing they find on a webpage that Google serves up to them, thinking to themselves “I know that now”. The irony is that most who say “Google it” aren’t good at searching for knowledge or understanding. One shudders to think what things could be like in 10 years’ time.

    • Roger Ewen

      With respect, house values and the surge was created with banks and collusion of chartered surveyors.
      Prior to bLair being elected, the Labour Party was going to set up a select committee to look into the thievery!
      But as with the child abuse enquiry….. it’s called protecting ones arse!

  • Willie

    Like Julian Assange this is a stitch up. No it’s or buts. This is how the dark state acts

    Don’t believe that regime change and the undermining of individuals or political movements only happens elsewhere.

    It happens here, has been happening here, and this is just a more brutal example of it

    Put very simply with all of the Brexit chaos and the very real danger that an independence referendum would be successful Salmond, who ran the establishment close in 2014 had to be stopped.

    Princess Diana, Dr David Kelly, Willie MaCrae all ended up dying in mysterious circumstances.

    But Salmond’s arrest effects a living decapitation strategy on an entire movement at a critical time when that movement could be poised to succeed.

    And for those who don’t believe it just look back to what happened to the great Irish patriot Charles Stuart Parnell in the 1890s.

    History repeats but whether it will succeed is another question.

    • Mochyn69

      Oh yes indeed, Charles Stewart Parnell (27 June 1846 – 6 October 1891), the Blackbird of Sweet Avondale.

      Well worth revisiting his story and as always Wikipedia is a good place to start:


      Significantly, the divorce crisis might have damaged his reputation, but the movement and cause of Irish democratic self government which he did so much to promote ultimately prevailed,


  • SA

    But the damage has been done to both Salmond and Sturgeon. The sequence of events is very significant.

    • Mochyn69

      The cause of Scottish democratic self government must be bigger than the political fate of individual actors, no matter how extraordinary they may be.

      Now is time for the movement to come together and remain together for in unity is strength.

      Alba gu bràth.


  • Jm


    Yes indeed…Charles Parnell…The Blackbird of Sweet Avondale.

    In this mornings online Guardian the Salmond story sits right next to another article titled Bye Bye Blackbird..

    Co-incidence or some insider messaging?


  • Mist001

    And this is probably why Leslie Evans resisted calls for her resignation. She’ll see this as part vindication and part revenge for losing the court case. Hell hath no fury and all that.

  • Chris Barclay

    Given Corbyn’s presence as leader of the Opposition, it is unlikely that Salmond’s opposition to further military interventions would be a game-changer in terms of shaping public opinion on intervention in Syria or an invasion of Iran. That leaves Lockerbie, a subject on which the Scottish legal system is very sensitive and a subject which people other than the Scots have largely forgotten. Perhaps that holds the key.

    My hope is that justice be done: if guilty that he is found guilty, ifinnocent that he is found innocent.

    • Contrary

      I was thinking about Lockerbie myself recently (not totally forgotten then!), the Scottish legal system worked through its processes in fairness, it was the officials that presented the evidence from abroad where the weak link occurs – I think everyone considers the likelihood that Al-Magrahi was innocent likely. So the justice system is vulnerable. But this was an international affair as well.

      In general, the Scottish legal system, corroboration being key (prevents confession with no other evidence) has a good record for preventing unsafe imprisonment. Confession with other evidence was used to prosecute cases such as domestic abuse and sexual offences – but it is in these cases where there was much debate a few years back, when Scotland was made to adopt a human rights clause and could no longer hold a suspect without charge for 6 days (or 5 days, I forget which). It turns out that in domestic abuse cases, the husband or partner would usually confess after a few days to cool off – and that was the corroboration for the accuser.

      So now, they are revising the requirement criteria for corroboration (big debates on whether to scrap it or not a few years ago – that was shelved for now) in the cases where it is one word against another – mostly domestic abuse and sexual offences.

      Not proven is, unfortunately, the most likely outcome – either from charges being dropped or an actual verdict. Paying attention to Alex’s statement, where he says he is innocent of any criminality – use of the word criminality sounds very specific here and he has used it throughout the accusations – so it is possible his activities have not always been entirely wholesome and we may be in for some scandals. But just as with Assange, the debate might turn to what constitutes ‘consent’. Messy.

      • Jo1

        On Lockerbie, the evidence presented did not support a guilty verdict. The Scottish system ultimately played ball politically in the case.
        The SNP government later also played ball in assisting with getting rid of the second appeal. It was MacAskill’s office that told Megrahi if he didn’t drop the appeal he would die in prison. Yet, under Compassionate Release, the appeal could have continued in Megrahi’s absence.
        What is happening to Salmond is dreadful but, please, can people not suggest it’s down to his government doing Megrahi any favours because that’s simply not true.

      • DiggerUK

        @ Contrary,
        ” But this was an international affair as well.” means exactly what. This was a Scottish Court, on Scottish territory, with Scottish prosecutors, and Scottish judges. There was no jury, so weasel words forgiving the court from being mislead, and affecting the juries decision, won’t wash. The Scottish judges brought in the verdicts, not a jury.
        Then numerous appeals to Scottish judges, in Scottish courts, on Scottish territory, under Scottish law brought in shameless decisions backing up a bent judicial decision.

        And this legal system is going to be the foundation of a free and independent Scotland, with no criticism from any political party in Scotland, and total silence from anything that looks, walks and talks like a nationalist, after independence.

        My first introduction to our host was “Murder in Samarkand” which opened with a very vivid first hand account of bent proceedings in an Uzbek court room. With extended silence on the Lockerbie stitch up, it looks like it could come to an independent and free Scotland near you…_

        • Contrary

          It means that the weight of international concerns were weighing in – in particular the US. I was not suggesting that there was not any political influence on this, so your points are well taken. I was suggesting that trying to use the Lockerbie case as an example for Alex’s case is not exactly equivalent.

          Beside the point, but it was not ‘on Scottish Territory’ – the trial was held in Holland. (under Scottish Law)

        • Contrary

          Digger, you should also bear in mind that the Scottish legal system is one of the oldest in the world, retained in perpetuity, through the unionising process – it’s not really something that enters the debate about independence, it was there before we lost independence and will be there after we gain it again, as well as the in between. The best thing we can do for our legal system is gain independence – the civil courts have been anglicised and are not on par with the criminal courts system.

          No legal system is perfect, and there are plenty of people who do not have faith in the Scottish one, but in comparison with others (and despite some of the changes made) there are a fair number of checks and balances. Juries are picked at random for instance – names out of a hat from a selection – there are 15 on a panel (no ties allowed and there has to be a certain number in agreement for certain verdicts etc). Stuff like that. As to the inner workings, I wouldn’t have a clue.

          • DiggerUK

            “Juries are picked at random for instance “…….there was no jury in the Lockerbie trial, the trial thoroughly exposed how far the Scottish justice system could be bent.
            With such a threat to citizens rights embedded in the Scottish justice system it exposes just how venal are those who would take power after independence.
            This is alongside the independence movement having no proposals for a central bank, or even a currency.
            It is just another way for me to ask, what would be the difference after independence? You would be left governed by Scottish Tories, Scottish Labour, and Scottish Nationalists, and none of them even saying they would look at Lockerbie or ask for major reforms of the justice system.

            The campaign for independence is lead by aspirational romantics, and those with their snouts in the trough…_

          • Contrary

            So, Digger, the Megrahi trial wasn’t a jury trial – I was talking about the Scottish criminal justice system – and you have just stated they aren’t equivalent, so, exactly what I said above.

            There is a central Scottish bank already, you have been misinformed.

            There are plenty of proposals on currency, you have been misinformed there as well.

            You yourself are misinforming people. If you cannot imagine anything beyond a mini-Westminster structure, and cannot find out facts, maybe it would be best to not enter the debate? if you want to influence Scottish people, it will now take constructive reasoning, not a re-hash of the destructive reasoning used before.

  • Sinc

    The head of the allegations against Salmond ‘investigation strategy ‘ (Police Scotland terminology) [LB] was awarded a QPM in the 2017 honours list ((December 2016).

    She was on-board then.

  • Tatyana

    Vladimir Kornilov tells us today in russian news:
    “…You will not find this sensation in the main newspapers of the country…The Foreign Office acknowledged the destruction of nearly 400 files containing documents on the role of the British government and intelligence agencies in suppressing the Sri Lankan Tamil uprising…

    …According to British law, secret files must be published 30 years later…But the Morning Star found out that as the declassification date approached, many documents disappeared. Forever.

    In particular, in 2014 they were to declassify the folder on the secret visit of the then Minister of Defense of Sri Lanka to Belfast, where he was introduced to the experience of suppressing the rebellion of the Northern Irish. But we are unlikely to find out the details of this visit, since the British Foreign Ministry destroyed the entire folder on the eve of the date of its declassification…”

    source in russian is here

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Tatyana January 25, 2019 at 08:52
      Loads more of this sort of jiggery-pokery is available in ‘The history thieves: secrets, lies and the shaping of a modern nation’ by Ian Cobain.

    • Deb O'Nair

      In 2017 (i think) 1,000 files went missing which were due to be released under the 30 year rule. The files were simply requested from the archive by various ministers and never returned. The official story is that they were lost. You’d think the archive would have learned a lesson and just given ministers a copy of the file or invited them to view the file in the archive, instead this practice of state censorship continues unchallenged.

    • Sharp Ears

      Their own belle de jour, Mrs Fiona Sharrocks, made this slippery ‘apology’ on Thursday night’s QT. No mention of her other smearing of Diane Abbott. Your stench lingers Fiona.

      ‘Question Time: Fiona Bruce ‘happy to clarify’ polls remarks

      BBC Question Time presenter Fiona Bruce has said she “should have made the context clear” in a discussion about Labour’s position in the polls on last week’s show.Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott has complained about her treatment on the panel and said Ms Bruce did “not appear well briefed” about Labour standings compared to those of the Conservatives.

      Last week Ms Bruce stepped in when Ms Abbott suggested that the two parties were in fact “level pegging” – saying: “You’re behind Diane”. In this week’s programme, Ms Bruce said she was “really happy” to make clear that while a poll on the day put the Tories ahead – earlier polls had put Labour in the lead.’
      24 Jan 2019

    • nevermind

      Its more than revolting sharp ears, its news output is now sheer manipulative propaganda.
      this morning, im in bed with a stinking cold, a woman was interviewed about a new book on antti semitism today, not just here but in the world.
      She was claiming that there is a rise of it, just as one does when it comes to Hollocaust memorial day, i believe its on sunday, and within her second or third sentence she mentioned JC, off course.
      the whole output between 6 and 9 am is pure propaganda bile, with the second big Ogre,Russia, closely following.
      Anything to divert from the real issues of the country? Child poverty, shutting down of childcare places, continuous cuts to vital local services, grand austerity, did I mention Brexshit? And the continuous cover ups of vile crimes in the establishment.
      Yesterdays headline no.1 was Alex Salmond, such obvious diversionary propaganda it makes you laugh.

      The bibice is a ratsnest infested by the MI’s and their journalist whores.

      • Squeeth

        Have you ever seen a “Pleasing decline in antisemitism.” article? No, me neither, yet if the articles bleating about increases in antisemitism I’ve seen since I began reading regularly newspapers in 1973, Britain would be Judenrein. The purpose of the lies is to establish the principle that zionists can dictate to the public on behalf of the state and silence anyone inconvenient by prostituting the memory of the 60 million people who died in the Second World War. Cnuts

    • nevermind

      What would that be? Killing expertise and the hardware to carry it out? New missile technoligies to shoot down Scottish nationalists?

    • alasdairB

      Only another 39 to go in order to meet Fox’s fanciful Trade Deal target of 40 signed sealed & delivered by Brexit day of 29th March ! Meanwhile in the real world manufactures leave the UK ; P&O Channel ferries reregistered & reflagged in Cyprus, car manufacturers in turmoil with job losses in the tens of thousands, Airbus considers future viability of Broughton wing assembly plant, warnings from BPS of shortages of insulin & wide range of other drugs. The list grows by the day as does the number of Tory Party donors ensuring their family fortune is secure, but just not in post Brexit Britain.

  • Contrary

    It will be interesting if Leslie Evans is called as a witness to any criminal procedings – lying in a criminal court, of course, lands you in jail usually.

  • Contrary

    In case anyone wants a Brexit distraction, I have just watched this discussion looking at some of the whys, only half an hour (though ends a bit abruptly)


    I found it very insightful. I have half formed ideas, on how such a rich and vibrant, culturally and economically and environmentally, country such as England can develop the need to feel oppressed by Europe – and I feel some of it could be to do with the strange conflation of identity of being British-English, and not knowing the difference. That is, most people seem to use the terms interchangeably, without realising it, and I just can’t figure out what is so terrible about being English that people need to dilute it so much. Does England need to split into regions? It does have a fantastic diversity in culture between different regions. I am sure the local identity is more certain – that is, if you were discussing how you were a Geordie, you would not interchange that with being British,,, maybe! Half formed as I said. They didn’t explicitly touch on that subject in the discussion, but the discussion does explain – for me anyway – some of the motivations behind Brexit – (and a bit on why they were different in Scotland). And mention how utterly atrocious the uk electoral system is.

    • Mochyn69

      Some good points.

      The conflation of British/Welsh was raised a long time ago by one of Plaid Cymru’s founders J.E. Jones in his book ‘Prydeindod’ (Britishness).

      Long since out of print I guess but worth looking for.


  • 7 Kings

    [ Mod: ‘7 Kings’ = ‘That’s what they want you to think….’ = ‘Electric Hermit’, plus many other sockpuppets ]

    Scottish laws in a Scottish Legal System investigated by Police Scotland into Scottish employees who work(ed) in the Scottish Government.
    Why on earth is this article now accepting that Scotland is a part of the UK State? Must be a first Craig, it does sound a bit desperate.

  • That's what they want you to think....

    [ Mod: ‘That’s what they want you to think….’ = ‘Electric Hermit’ = ‘7 Kings’, plus many other sockpuppets ]

    You haven’t mentioned the case of Iain Blackford who is under investigation at Westminster by the Police along with many others of other parties who are accused of similar crimes. I can only assume the anonymity afforded to him (but not Salmond) is keeping the spotlight on Holyrood’s abuse problems rather than on Westminster’s?

  • kathy

    You haven’t mentioned the case of Iain Blackford who is under investigation at Westminster by the Police along with many others of other parties who are accused of similar crimes. I can only assume the anonymity afforded to him (but not Salmond) is keeping the spotlight on Holyrood’s abuse problems rather than on Westminster’s?

    • Paul Barbara

      @ kathy January 25, 2019 at 09:54 & @ That’s what they want you to think…. January 25, 2019 at 09:51
      Something odd here – two identical comments from ostensibly different people, 3 seconds apart…..?Que pase?
      77th Brigade or Integrity Initiative?

      • Contrary

        Haha, Yep, I noticed ‘kathy’ had a nice purple icon further up the thread – I will take your word for it you are the original!

        You can tell by the pattern on the icon next to the name if it is the same ‘origin’ the comment is coming from, apparently. (I think it is email rather than ISBN or anything).

        While doing a quick search to see if ‘That’s what they want you to think…’ was the same (couldn’t find it) – I found yet another kathy icon – Lots of pink icons on the Leslie Evans article.

        Purple icon is the most common – green is an oops one there I think (someone forgot who they were?) – and pink fairly common (as well as some purple) on the Leslie Evans.

        I take it they wait until you are not active so they get away with using the pseudonyms? I would not have been suspicious if I hadn’t noticed the very different colour icon on the same page… (well, that and the 2 identical comments! 😀 )

        • Clark

          Yes. they’re called Identicons, they’re a WordPress feature, and they’re derived from the e-mail address the comment is submitted under, and nothing else. I switched the feature on to expose different usernames that had identical e-mail addresses, back in the days when I was one of the moderators here. (Interestingly, both usernames changed their e-mail addresses after I turned the feature on, but before either of them submitted any further comments. Hmmm.)

        • Clark

          To the other Kathy; it’s a fairly common name so this was likely innocent. If someone is already using the username you’d chose, it’s considered good netiquette to pick something else, to avoid this sort of confusion.

          [ Mod: It wasn’t an innocent mistake in this instance. The comment was posted by a prolific sockpuppetmaster. ]

        • kathy


          Well spotted. To make it even more confusing, the icon on the Leslie Evans is different from the one I am now using. Worrying though that it is possible for someone else to post using my user name. I had no idea about Ian Blackford and it may not be true even.

        • Contrary

          Three different ‘kathy’s (lower case K, spelt exactly the same… ) seems like the Mod knows.
          Interestingly – it is easier to spot the same name / different Identicon – than it is to spot same identicon / different name. Also interesting is that I would not have been able to tell the difference by the content of the comments – similar enough in content and structure to be the same person.

          I am looking at Grouse Beater’s comments on the next article re: Burns – Grouse Beater usually always has his classic-car icon so a bit strange not having it this time, I thought (particularly after our multiple identity kathy). There could of course be many reasons for this, but with GB being a fairly well-known essayist it becomes a wee bit more … interesting … if it isn’t him.

    • kathy

      The above post by “kathy” is a sock puppet and not me – the real kathy. The post is a complete fabrication obviously in an attempt to smear Iain Blackford.

        • Jo1

          Sorry I didn’t flag it up when I saw it Kathy. There were two identical posts about Blackford, one with “Kathy”, the other with a different name. Glad it’s sorted.

  • MaryPau!

    I too noticed that Akex Salmond denied doing anything “criminal”.

    As mentioned before, my sister has been a member of the Labour Party for many years..(I have never joined any political party.) Not recently but historically she attended party conferences. She told me at the time there were always drunken politicians in the local bars in the evenings, and at social gatherings, propositioning younger female party members. It did not interest her but some of the more ambitious young women were susceptible, particularly if the politician concerned was high profile. There was one particular minister, this was several years ago, who had a high profile role in Europe, who was notorious for making drunken passes at young women at party conferences.

    I only know about her experiences in the Labour Party but i am sure it was played out across the political spectrum. Could Alex Salmond have been caught for behaving like this in the past? Making drunken suggestive remarks and “pawing” the recipient would not have been considered prosecutable offences, historically, in the context of an after conference party at which the booze was flowing freely. But I cannot see anyone continuously propositioning the same woman if unsuccessful the first couple of times? It does suggest multiple accusers.

    The two accusations of attempted rape are more serious and it would be interesting to know what evidence is currently required in the Scottish legal system to make these stick.

    • Electric Hermit

      [ Mod: ‘Electric Hermit’ = ‘That’s what they want you to think….’ = ‘7 Kings’, plus many other sockpuppets ]

      I don’t think “pawing” somebody publicly can be construed as attempted rape. Additionally, these were allegedly not party members but civil servants so it is unlikely this occurred in a party conference or other party event.
      “it would be interesting to know what evidence is currently required in the Scottish legal system to make these stick” – Scottish law requires corroboration for all of these offences to “stick”. The corroboration of evidence is an additional safeguard which requires a higher level of proof and is unique in the developed world. The SNP used to be in favour of scrapping this extra level of protection for suspects but unsurprisingly have changed their stance on it in recent years. Maybe they saw this coming?

  • Vivian O'Blivion

    It would be my understanding that prominent Indy bloggers WoS and David Hooks have had “sex pest” allegations levelled against them. As Craig reminded us in a recent post, he was also unjustly attacked in a similar manner. There is an established pattern going back at least to C. S. Parnell.
    I have no insight into the veracity of any individual accusation, I’m just pointing to a possible statistical anomaly that could indicate deliberate foul play.

    • Jo1

      My concern is that the allegations have gone from being described as harassment to attempted rape and sexual assaults.

      It’s certainly very useful that he already has a court verdict on the official investigation and so much other detail about the comings and goings between the person who was later to become the I.O. and the accusers.

      • Baron


        As the great Mark Steyn says, Jo1, it’s the process that does the damage, the outcome seldom matters.

        The case, as it drags on, will hurt Mr. Salmond, drain him financially, psychologically, impact on his political career, too. That’s the key aim of it. (Whatever the outcome, the legal proceedings will also bruise the SNP, their campaign for Scottish independence. Quite a success for Westminster).

        When he accepted the job at RT, Baron, on another blog, said the Establishment would never forgive him for it, would find a way to punish him, this court case proves it.

        Not unakin to the charade in the Republic, the Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual assault on a woman almost forty years ago hitting the headlines only when he got nominated for the top job. Whether true or not is hard to establish now, but the key was the timing of the allegation becoming public. Why now?, one should have asked. The same applies here, why is Mr. Salmond’s accuser alerting the authorities now?

        Btw, why are Baron’s postings censored, Mr. Murray?

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