Oh my, Craig! How can you bear the squalor?

Been there and loved it – would do it again any day given the opportunity

Enjoy – you’ll look around for ever more and think “I did that, my design and my work”

Good luck, Craig. It looks like it’ll be a lovely house once it’s been refurbished. I really admire anyone who can work with their hands and bring order and habitability to a run-down property, who can turn a building into a home – and good on ingo, too. If I had a trade – or was any use at fixing things (the only dovetail joint I know is the one from the Beatles song!) – and if I lived a bit nearer, I’d be offering concrete help. It’s very brave of you and I wish you many happy years in your new home. Best wishes.

The latest sustained and organised attack came at exactly the same time as my Range Rover was targeted on the way back from the Italian restaurant where we know the owner. He takes great care of Nadia, which is why we bestow our patronage on this establishment.

To cut a long story short, we were distracted by an apparently helpless, drunk young woman. When we stopped, a balaclava-clad thug pointed an implement at me and demanded an apology. When I nervously asked for an explanation, he said, “I am Neil Barker and I am the chairman of my local gun club. Don’t fuck around. Just read the Burton Mail, and pay for it.”

Then he disappeared into a black mist, murmuring “Saadi, Saadi, Guchi, Guchi.”

I will never forget this moment as long as I live.

I’ve been threatened by coconuts, attacked by a man wielding a pineapple, and had my back door rattled by ghosts. But THIS ONE really rattled ME!

I agree with (the real) Suhayl. Craig is a real brave.

Man in a mansion! Who dares wins! I like bolognese! Who is kidding who?

I rush to my bookshelf for my copy of “Who’s Kidding Who” but the cupboard is bare.

I’m off to Wetherspoon’s!

Which one is my room then ??

How many ex-ambassadors would (or could) rebuild the interior of a house with their own hands?

Bravo, Craig! Once again, you are an example to us all. Good luck with the house…

You need to get your plumber to clean all the debris out of those voids as he goes Craig, they are a fire hazard. I was a ganger for several years working on listed building rennovations in London and would never have allowed plumbers or sparks to get away with leaving voids filled with crap like that. Watch out for needles as well with these old converted bedsits, they turn up wedged into the most unlikely places.

This was not my post.

I agree with (the real) Suhayl. Craig is a real brave.

Posted by: somebody at August 8, 2010 2:15 PM

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I am full of admiration for Craig, Ingo and others doing the work. Best of luck and thanks for letting us know you are alright Craig and for the photos. If I were you I would shut the blog down until you return. There are so many stupid impostors – three already on this post.

“If I were you I would shut the blog down until you return”

But he’d have to return to paying attention to it in order to do that, no ? Hey, he’s got a house to fettle. Winter won’t be long.

Glad you’re ok. But, dude, get a decent camera.

I could authenticate posts for people like I did with my own on the previous thread, if anyone is interested.

Looks like Craig has a lot of work to do!

Good to know all’s well.

Thought maybe you were so frustrated at the impossibility of keeping Larry and the other shills off your pages you’d decided to give up blogging and run a boarding house in Ramsgate instead.

Anyhow, good luck with the dry wall. And in the meantime, we’ll keep trashing your position on the 9/11 post!

My goodness. I wondered how anyone could survive while refurbishing an unhabitable house. I guess friends must be helping you and your family. Good luck!

You’ve shown us the photos before. Can we see the ones after? I think the house will be quite exquisite with its early Victorian interor renovated. Hope it all goes well!

Good to see you’re doing well. Good luck with the renovations.

As for the shills, you can see that it is the same bloody amateur as they keep making the same basic mistake when posting under different names. Obviously I won’t point out what it is as they MIGHT be able to learn something from here, but I doubt it… ?

The bloody amateur posting as ‘Suhayl’ apparently thinks Walmart operates in the UK. To my knowledge (and correct me if I’m wrong) Walmart owns Asda, and Asda owns Safeway in Northern Ireland, but there is no ‘Walmart’ anywhere in these islands. Real sloppy job.

Suhayl, please don’t stop posting here because of that clown. And to you and Clark, thanks for your good wishes for my friend — he’s now in a medically-induced coma.

Good luck with the house, Craig, looks like a huge job!

Yes ‘Clark’ is a good investigator and thank-you ‘Ingo’ helping Craig get up and running – time is precious and I only wish I had the capacity to help. Metaphorically speaking there are ‘diamonds’ here that will overcome the abuse.

Bravo to Craig’s genuine supporters…

Thanks, dreoilin and Chin, very much appreciated. Rest assured, such antics as have been displayed hereabouts over the past month or so represent not even the faintest breeze across the visage of my consciousness. Even when I’m neither visible nor audible, I remain a presence, watching both the progress of the real posts and those deployed by the various assorted silly-billies.

All good wishes for your friend’s recovery.

Hello dreoilin, lovely to hear from you again, I’ve been missing you. Very sorry to hear about you friend and I wish him a speedy recovery.

Nice to see a fresh thread, with good folks on it amongst the troublemakers (who really need to try harder if we’re to be taken in by their rubbish).

Thanks Craig for posting – best of luck with your project!

I don’t think they’re trying to take anyone in; just desperately bored & sad, and as people have perceptively pointed out, bloody amateur at everything else. I guess they must have no friends. Anyway, hello all real people. Greetings from a foreign land from me. And seconded hallos and sympathies to dreoilin particularly.

Where’s the imposter’s Walmart reference?

Notice he can’t do a simple copy and paste url either.

Might just read it to have another laugh at him.

Haven’t felt quite this bored since the World Cup.

“Where’s the imposter’s Walmart reference?”

It’s on the previous thread, about seven posts from the bottom. Posted as Suhayl.

Hello MJ and tech Nice to talk to you both again.

Should be in bed.

Straight to the point. I like your style really much.

Louis Vuitton Handbags – oh yes that’s the brand that the so far untried war criminal Anthony Charles Lynton Blair has a tie up with. There is blood dripping out of these handbags and they should not be touched with a bargepole.

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11424.shtml

P.S.

When you get through renovating the house, sometime in 2017 by the look of it, perhaps you will consider renovating the blog. The software truly is crap,which makes coherent conversation extremely difficult. And the place is infested with trolls (Larrys – Mr. and Mrs.), provocateurs (Angrysoba, self described “footsoldier for 9/11 lies”) and silly buggers whose mendacity is matched only by their verbosity and conceit (cf the 9/11 Post – http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/the_911_post.html).

It’s your blog so obviously you can do as you like with it, but whatever potential it has seems severely constrained at present by the problems noted.

All the best

I’m uncertain why Mark should be thanking Ingo for helping Craig. But thanks, Clark for the offer of help. I’ve amended my url. Let’s wait for the Zionists to catch on to this one.

fake post from ‘Suhayl’, above. I claim my fiver.

Cross posting from medialens. How vile Obama is to allow this. Thought he was closing it down. There are over 170 people still being held in Guantanamo.

‘Torture’ Confessions Allowed

Posted by MikeD on August 11, 2010, 9:27 am

‘Torture’ Confessions Allowed

August 10, 2010 “Al Jazeera”

The confessions of Omar Khadr, a Canadian citizen charged with terrorism, can be used as evidence in his trial, even though they may have been obtained through torture, a US military judge has ruled.

Lawyers for Khadr claimed statements to military interrogators were illegally obtained through torture and asked a US war crimes court to throw them out.

That request was denied on Monday by a military judge at the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

US forces captured Khadr in Afghanistan in July 2002, when he was just 15 years old…

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26122.htm

Fiver is in the post.

Tiresome is renovation. We lunched just now at a delightful bistro where I met my cousin Michael. He has never seen building-in-progress. He was so shocked to see how the other half lives. But the lunch was to die for.

The review will follow.

I will replace the 4.45 pm post with restaurant reviews until we have the Aga up and running.

It’s a hard life!

F**k off Craig #2

You are not at all funny. If you have time on your hands, suggest you head off to Ramsgate and give a hand.

“It was decided to change the title of Blair’s memoir from ‘The Journey’ to the slightly less pompous ‘A Journey’.” I quote from the Daily Mail. Could this have been written by the same annoyance of a person who suggested to me, in an email, that my blog categories The Book, The Film, etc., were pompous?

What’s wrong with using the definite article?

A great documentary

‘Seeds of deconstruction’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAj6RF5inqw&feature=PlayList&p=DAA2512BEF7FC777&index=1

Craig

You’re losing your touch mate, with all this post-patriarchal neo-domesticity groove you’re in.

“What’s wrong with using a definite article?”, would have been so much better.

When an interior door rattles, this means the door stop and/or the strike plate are not tight enough. If the strike plate has a flange in the center that can be bent slightly to tighten the fit, remove the plate and use a pair of pliers to bend the flange.

Otherwise, you may have to adjust the position of the door stop on the latch-side jamb.

To do this, first use a utility knife to cut the paint seal between the moulding and the jamb. Then place a wooden block against the door stop, and hammer the block gently toward the door to provide a tighter fit.

The best way to stop an exterior door from rattling in the wind is to install resilient weatherstripping around its perimeter, which also will help insulate your house. Look for the vinyl bulb type and follow package instructions.

A Blair – Isn’t it time to be readying for your big sell at Waterstones and to stop wasting your time here? Remember to wear your flak jacket and body armour won’t you. There will many very angry people around you but we will be picking up the bill for your security as we did when you appeared for your theatrics at the Chilcot Inquiry.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302362/Tony-Blair-book-launch-cost-fortune-protect-gets-4-3m.html

We are taking a break today and going up to London for dinner and meetings with fellow activists.

The meetings are to do with the Babar Ahmad case.

It’s great news that police will be prosecuted for attacking him, but we all know they won’t be convicted.

More importantly, Babar has been imprisoned for 6 years.

He hasn’t been convicted of anything.

He hasn’t been tried for anything.

He hasn’t even been charged with anything.

He is in prison at the whim of the Americans.

This a national disgrace. If I were religious, I would say this is a crime that cries out to God for justice.

I hope you will all demand that the Coalition puts right this most grave wrong.

Good for you Craig. You are probably correct about the likely outcome of any prosecution of the police. cf Smellie at the G20 and the TSG member in the Iam Tomlinson’s death.

This letter appeared in the Times today from a further group of doctors and I have a copy. There is also an article in the Mail. Dr Powers is in the original group of course.

Dear Sir,

Amidst the continuing interest surrounding the death of the government’s weapons’ inspector, the late Dr David Kelly, we wish to express our concern about the conclusion as to the cause of death in the light of the information now in the public domain. It is extremely unlikely from a medical perspective that the primary cause of death would or could have been haemorrhage from a severed ulnar artery in one wrist without any evidence of a blood clotting deficiency. This small artery, deeper in the wrist than the larger radial artery used to palpate the pulse, would have retracted on being severed and within a short time blood loss would be expected to have ceased.

Insufficient blood would have been lost to threaten life. Absent a quantitative assessment of the blood lost and of the blood remaining in the great vessels, the conclusion that death occurred as a consequence of haemorrhage is unsafe.

The inquiry by Lord Hutton was unsatisfactory with regard to the causation of death. A detailed investigation of all the medical circumstances is now required and we support the call for a proper inquest into the cause of Dr Kelly’s death.

Yours faithfully

Dr Michael J Powers QC

Barrister, Medical Practitioner and Examiner to the Faculty of Forensic and Legal Medicine of the Royal College of Physicians

London Chambers, 218 Strand WC2R 1AT

Professor Julian Bion

Professor of Intensive Care Medicine Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham

Dr Margaret Bloom

Barrister, former general medical practitioner and former Deputy Coroner

Dr Neville Davis MBE

Consultant Forensic Physician

Dr Elizabeth Driver

Solicitor and Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists

Sir Barry Jackson

Past President British Academy of Forensic Sciences

Dr Jason Payne-James

Consultant Forensic Physician and Honorary Senior Lecturer Cameron Forensic Medical Sciences, Barts &The London School of Medicine and Dentistry

Professor John Francis Nunn

PhD DSc MD FRCS FRCA FGS

Somebody

Don’t worry. I’m not really him.

I’m just an indefinite any old Blair.

Sorry I missed this name at the end of the list.

Denis Wilkins

Retired Consultant Vascular Surgeon

@A. Blair – I know that

Thanks ‘somebody’ for the David Kelly post – just to add this from Bloomberg:

‘U.K. Attorney-General Dominic Grieve is examining the case in order to decide the best way forward, a spokesman for his office said in a telephone interview today. One of the options open is to go to the High Court to request a new inquest, though the final decision will lie with the court, said the spokesman, who declined to be identified in line with government policy.

Justice Minister Kenneth Clarke is considering a request for the papers about the case to be published, his office said in an e-mailed statement.’

My break from blogging continues.

Anyway here is a photo of my chin, to help explain why I am taking a break.

As Mr Murray isn’t blogging for a while, I’ll make a short post:

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SAVE BRADLEY MANNING FROM 52 YEARS IN A MILITARY JAIL.

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ww w dot bradleymanning dot org

He’s 22 years old and facing up to 52 years in a military jail for allegedly leaking to WikiLeaks video footage of U.S. soldiers killing civilians, as well as thousands of pages of “war” documents.

The military currently have him on suicide watch.

He needs plenty of money in order to fund a good legal team that has a thorough understanding of military law (the legal team will also need funds to be flown overseas):

By Bradley Manning Support Network:

“We are also concerned that Bradley may choose his legal counsel based on his available funds. If he fears his family will absorb the cost of the trial, he might choose a less experienced, less expensive attorney. We’re very concerned about the ramifications of such a decision…the right civilian defense team can be the difference between an administrative separation and years in the stockade.”

Donate by visiting ww w dot bradleymanning dot org.

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I don’t expect anyone on here to do anything. Those interested in politics are usually misanthropes.

“Dr David Kelly was on a hitlist, says UN weapons expert as calls grow for full inquest”

“Dr Richard Spertzel claimed Dr Kelly was on a ‘hitlist’ in the final years of his life. The former head of the UN Biological Section, who worked closely with Dr Kelly in Iraq in the 1990s, has written to Attorney General Dominic Grieve about the ‘mysterious circumstances’ surrounding the death.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302939/Dr-David-Kelly-hitlist-says-UN-weapons-expert-calls-grow-inquest.html?ITO=1490

Lies, lies, lies. It’s all lies.

All you people ever talk is lies, lies, lies.

Next you’ll be telling us we’re not the true and ancient owners of the land of Israel and entitled under moral law to throw the natives out, through slaughter, ethnic cleansing and starvation.

You’re all completely and utterly insane!

And you’re all weirdo conspiracy theorists too.

I accept that “you” once lived in Israel. That doesn’t mean it’s yours now.

And any posts either questioning my mental stability (the door really DID rattle, here and in Africa) or mocking my chin (or lack of) will be deleted.

That’s trolling, Larry.

Goodbye, Larry.

This is mental.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr1s_wxN0qQ&feature=related

Craig, even though you have to have a break, there is a wealth of material posted on your blog, but I am finding it hard to use. The other day I was searching for your telegrams so I could read them out to my local Amnesty group – where are they? How can I do a search? Am I being thick? I am an IT specialist, so this is quite possible

Thanks, Andy

Actually answer to last question is yes, just scrolled down and found the search field. But, there is nothing useful I can find under ‘The Telegrams’ category, which was my first port of call ..

Hi Craig

While you’re stripping wallpaper you may care to ask yourself once again, just to be quite sure…

How did fuel fires bring down three steel-framed concrete skyscrapers at near free-fall velocity? Why has such a phenomenon been observed only on one day in history: September 11th 2001?

http://sydwalker.info/blog/2010/07/19/dear-craig-murray-please-explain-wtc-7/

Andy Was it these?

Under Rendition. Many more links.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/06/proof_of_compli.html

Syd, Craig is a smart man. He must have his reasons for not blogging about 9/11. It would be like opening a war on another front. Just think of the additonal shills that would show up. Furthermore, he’s overworked as it is I don’t doubt. I’m sure he does know what happened on that dreadful day… I think everyone should lay off Craig about having to speak out on 9/11. I’ve probably had a moan at him in the past, which makes me guilty too. He’s made his ‘official position’ clear and let everyone have their say. That’s fair enough.

I would certainly say that the last year or so has at least opened his eyes to state sponsored shilling though. I’m glad he has spoken out on that and I reckon that the majority of internet surfers, from one source or another, are now fully aware of these freaks.

Good luck with the house Craig, whatever it is you are doing to it.

Syd,

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/the_911_post.html

I thought this Andrew Gilligan article might interest some readers here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7947544/David-Kelly-was-not-murdered.html

Oh Hell, Larry’s back !

“Oh Hell, Larry’s back !”

Or perhaps someone’s forging him.

A terrible litany here of birth deformities in Fallujah.

http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/transcript/id/600687/n/Iraq-s-Deadly-Legacy

Angrysoba, being an efficient insert, has linked to Gilligan’s attempt to divert the doctors’ request to get the truth on David Kelly’s death. Likewise Mangold and Aaronovitch on Newsnight plus Mangold all over the place. Who would you rather believe – a cornoner, a pathologist, the ex President of the Royal College of Surgeons, surgeons, physicians and so on?

Gilligan knows much more than he lets on of course. I thought he looked like a frightened rabbit yesterday morning on Sky. This is just a short segment. He used the propagandists’ figure of 200,000 for the dead in Iraq. We all know that it exceeds 1 million and counting.

http://beta.news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Dr-David-Kellys-Suicide-Andrew-Gilligan-Dismisses-Calls-For-Inquiry-Into-His-Death/Video/201008315685404?lpos=Latest+Video_7&lid=VIDEO_024588_Dr+Kelly's+Death+Inquiry+'A+Fuss'&videoCategory=Latest+Video

“Angrysoba, being an efficient insert, has linked to Gilligan’s attempt to divert the doctors’ request to get the truth on David Kelly’s death.”

Did you actually read Gilligan’s article? He said he was in favour of an inquest as the level of nonsense has risen to such a clamour.

Actually, I agree with him on that, but honestly, it won’t stop the conspiracy theories.

Somebody – ‘Angrysoba, being an efficient insert, has linked to Gilligan’s attempt to divert the doctors’ request to get the truth on David Kelly’s death. Likewise Mangold and Aaronovitch on Newsnight plus Mangold all over the place. Who would you rather believe – a cornoner, a pathologist, the ex President of the Royal College of Surgeons, surgeons, physicians and so on?’

Well, seeing as the chap has never spoken an ounce of bullshit in his life it would have to be Aaronovitch that has my unshakable trust :-0.

41 more dead in Iraq this morning. Over a hundred injured. And some ‘correspondent’ called Sykes on BBC said “Al Quaeda are even targetting traffic policemen now”. Sounded like he’d been talking to them and knew all about it.

Thanks Dreolin. I was sorry to hear about your friend and hope the recovery is going well. Have you been hearing of the outrage about last night’s Panorama about the flotilla?

My comment from Viva Palestina was

‘Simple fact. Jane Corbin is an Israeli shill. Yet again, the Palestinians have been betrayed by the British Broadcasting Corporation.’

At first it was moderated but now like many others it is being subjected to ‘further investigation’.

34. At 10:06pm on 16 Aug 2010, viva palestina wrote:

This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain **

as have many of the over 100 comments!

**’Sometimes, a comment may be referred for further investigation to a supervisor, host, editor or the Central Communities Team, who are responsible for moderation across all BBC services. Your post will be hidden while a decision is pending and the time taken to make this decision will depend on the investigation necessary.’

Perhaps one of the thought police from the Central Communities Team will be round to arrest me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/panorama/2010/08/death_in_the_med_-_join_in_the.html

Notice the likes of Sebastian get as much space as they like to shill for Israhell and propagate the lies.

Almost all the suicide bombings in Iraq have been orchestrated by C.I.A. black ops. I’m sure Larry the Lamb will clarify this for me.

“Have you been hearing of the outrage about last night’s Panorama about the flotilla?”

No, and I’d love to have seen that programme! But it probably would have made me very angry (given some of the comments I’ve just seen).

What was the gist of what Panorama was saying? Poor Israeli soldiers had the right to defend themselves? What were they implying about it not being an aid convoy?

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My friend has brain damage and is now expected to be in neurological rehab for quite some time. He’s a long-time peace activist and he wouldn’t lift a finger to anyone. He was attacked at random and left for dead. I can’t go to see him as he’s thousands of miles away. I still can’t quite believe it.

They’ll be blaming Al Quaeda for the weather next.

So sorry about your friend Dreoilin. Can only hope and pray if you have a faith. I heard this this morning from a friend -

Couldn’t agree more ……, the same here, angry letters will be sent by us. There was no context, sickening having to endure it all. Saw Osama Quashoo (a friend of our daughter ….) on the boat in the beginning of the programme. Poor guy, he was classed as the ‘ringleader’ on the ship, by the Israeli commandos, and treated very badly, he has had a blood clot on the brain and passed out last week, apparently a delayed reaction to his ‘treatment’ at the hands of the Israeli commandos, luckily he is alright now with aspirins etc. but needs more medical treatment We mustn’t despair but it’s hard not to.

The Panorama programme is on 2 You Tubes beginning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXrzF0IOQYE

This friend also told me that Mohammed Omer is in the Hague now. He is the young Palestinian journalist who won the Martha Gellhorn Award for Journalism and after receiving it from John Pilger in London, made his way home to Gaza. At the Allenby Bridge he was arrested and beaten up by the Shin Bet and ended up in hospital. After three years and much medical treatment he is on the mend and is studying International Politics and Economics in the Hague at the International Institute of Social Studies in the Hague. Good for him. He is a fine young man.

Dreoilin,

I’m really sorry about your friend. I hope he improves in rehab.

Somebody,

I’m sorry about Osama Quashoo, too.

Thank you ‘somebody’ and Clark. It’s very shocking what can happen out of the blue.

I’m just going off to watch Panorama on YouTube now. [Thanks for the link.]

That’s scary stuff about Osama Quashoo and Mohammed Omer. I’m glad to hear they’re both on the road to recovery — or almost, in the case of Osama.

Funny how Israeli commandos collapse in fear when they find themselves in the hands of Kenneth O’Keefe.

What thread is the post that gives details about what happened to your friend on dreoilin? I can’t see any specific details on this thread and just wondered what had happened.

Jaded,

I just made a brief reference, probably on the previous thread. He was found outdoors with massive head injuries, and airlifted to hospital, barely alive. Police treating it as an assault, but they have little or no information. At the moment he doesn’t have speech.

Best wishes.

“A leading suicide expert has questioned the finding that Dr David Kelly took his own life.

Colin Pritchard, emeritus professor at Southampton University’s School of Medicine, said there was nothing in the evidence given to the Hutton Inquiry to suggest Dr Kelly had any ‘intent’ to commit suicide.

Without this, a coronor would struggle to reach a suicide verdict.

Prof Pritchard’s intervention adds to the clamour for a full inquest into the death of the government weapons inspector, who was found dead in an Oxfordshire copse in 2003.”

“The fresh doubts come after Dr Kelly’s cousin, Wendy Wearmouth, broke the family silence this week to voice fears he was assassinated.

A growing list of doctors have already questioned whether Dr Kelly could have lost enough blood to die from a wound to his wrist.

A Daily Mail poll earlier this week showed that just 20 per cent of the public believe the official verdict that Dr Kelly took his own life.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303959/There-slither-evidence-suggest-killed-Now-suicide-expert-adds-voice-doubts-Dr-Kelly-verdict.html

A leading pro-Iraq war apologist has today criticised experts who called for a proper inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly.

Daffyd “the only righteous person in the village” Arsehole, who has previously argued that just because WMD weren’t found only proves they were very well hidden, said, “These experts know nothing. They’re all voodoo quacks and conspiraloons from outer space”.

Daffyd, a renowned Friend of Fatness, rejects accusations that he is totally full of shit.

Man who sold soul to devil tries to buy it back on the cheap.

A man who sold his soul to the devil for approx £60 million, yesterday tried to buy it back for £5 million.

Chris Marlowe, a spokesman for Faustian Enterprises the devil’s PR company said, “Yeah. They all try that, though mostly they pay way way more than they received and do good works until they die. This guy isn’t even in the foothills of serious”.

Marlowe denied rumours that Faustian was negotiating a deal with the man’s wife to “buy one get one free”. “She hasn’t any assets in which the devil would be interested”, said Marlowe.

Louis B Cypher: indeed, the fellow’s got a nerve. I read about a man who reportedly made over £10 million out of public speeches, and offered to give away £5 million, which is at least a substantial percentage. A well-known charity for injured soldiers accepted the money. But he can claim a third back as tax relief. And what’s more, he will continue to make millions yearly as a consultant to big business and receive a six-figure sum every time he delivers an after-dinner speech. Disgusting, I know. Honestly, some people have all the luck!

Angrysober,

I have respect for Andrew Gilligan. Without him the British public might not have become aware of the lies inside a ‘dodgy dossier’ and the changes made by the controlling hand of Alastair Campbell.

Even Andrew was “very, very surprised.” “He didn’t strike me as the suicidal type.”

At the time we remember the Government’s response was to ruthlessly to publish his name, in the hope that he would knock the story down. It did not, it empowered David to furiously work on his book on germ warfare.

He had warned Blair according to Robin Cook that Iraq possessed no WMD weeks BEFORE the illegal (Kofi Annan) strike on Iraq.

The pressure is building inexorably behind this story. There can be no doubt now that there has to be a full Judicial enquiry with evidence taken under oath, no offers of immunity and the possibility of prosecution for Blair, Straw, Hoon and Campbell for lying to Parliament and conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

This cancer at the heart of Government remains and must be excised once and for all. Lord Hutton must NOT be given a free pass on any of this either.

ERRATUM

Angrysober,

I have respect for Andrew Gilligan. Without him the British public might not have become aware of the lies inside a ‘dodgy dossier’ and the changes made by the controlling hand of Alastair Campbell.

Even Andrew was “very, very surprised.” “He didn’t strike me as the suicidal type.”

At the time we remember the Government’s response was to ruthlessly to publish David Kelly’s name, in the hope that it would knock the story down. It did not, it empowered David to furiously work on his book on germ warfare.

He had warned Blair according to Robin Cook that Iraq possessed no WMD weeks BEFORE the illegal (Kofi Annan) strike on Iraq.

The pressure is building inexorably behind this story. There can be no doubt now that there has to be a full Judicial enquiry with evidence taken under oath, no offers of immunity and the possibility of prosecution for Blair, Straw, Hoon and Campbell for lying to Parliament and conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

This cancer at the heart of Government remains and must be excised once and for all. Lord Hutton must NOT be given a free pass on any of this either.

IRAN

Apparently Russia and China signed the latest sanctions against Iran with the intention of excluding Western companies from competing for the lucrative business opportunities in Iran. The UK arrogance in rubbing it in their faces with additional sanctions ,outside of the UN agreements, might have angered them. Add Turkey to the mix, and Iran still has two sources, including Russian to supply gasoline to the Iranians. The Russians and the Chinese, and now the Turks don’t take orders very well. When Israel gives us orders we comply. Wonder how many S300 missile systems Iran has? Hard to spot them in their underground bunkers. Better still how many Israeli pilots are they willing to lose to find out? I guess none when the Americans are sent out to do the dirty work. Will Hilary remind us, like Condi that mushroom clouds threaten us if we don’t start another war. Has anyone ever lost betting on the stupidity of the American citizens.

They will be able to find work soon, although they might have to wear a uniform.

Adapted from GSierra1 – with thanks for your insight.

Mark, re. the death of David Kelly, I think that what one might expect to see over the next few weeks is the variegated character assassination of his first cousin, Wendy Wearmouth and possibly also of Prof. Pritchard along similar lines to the character assassination of assassinated electrician, De Menezes.

I entirely agree that the matter of David Kelly’s death needs to be pursued.

However, I think it unlikely that the UK state would ever admit to systemic complicity in individual assassinations especially on its own soil (within seventy-to-a hundred years of the date of the occurrences) as this would completely and publicly destroy the legitimacy of the state in general, of the crucially necessary social contract (?delusion) which is underpinned by the unspoken assumption that whatever its failings and errors the liberal capitalist democratic state acts with benevolence towards its citizens, and of elected government in particular.

This is no reason not to pursue the matter to its end – and to the ‘ends of the earth’. Indeed, it may be very good reason to do just that.

Dedicated to Robin Cook RIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnV_pNe_BB0

“the liberal capitalist democratic state acts with benevolence towards its citizens”

Sometimes it has tried to, I think. Abolishing the death penalty, no?

Otherwise absolutely disgusting piece by Toby Young in this week’s Spectator, thrashing a book about inequality called ‘The Spirit Level’ (haven’t read it) with patent illogic and concluding, among other things: “Suppose we accept, for the sake of argument, that inequality does cause various forms of ill health. That doesn’t mean we ought (in italics) to equalise incomes…For most conservatives a certain level of dysfunction is an acceptable price to pay for our social and economic freedoms’.

Says it all, really. Sometimes I do wish that these people would lose all their money and contacts and have to work as cleaners. Could hardly bear to type the last bit.

“absolutely disgusting” – I mean, of course, that I was disgusted by it.

Odd word. I wonder if the antonym is ‘gusted’.

Yes, the social contract, which obviously includes many good things (I’m not arguing that it does not) and which also includes at its heart the assignment of the right to kill exclusively to the state (otherwise murder would be a normal part of everyday life), is a necessary prerequisite for the functioning of the representative democratic state.

But if it became clear, and was admitted by the state, that agencies of the state operate executive, extra-judicial capital punishment (outwith the scenarios of war and emergency policing actions), the numinous yet very real relationship of trust on which the social contract depends would break down. At a very profound level, the state would lose its legitimacy – and for the UK state, that would be a very serious situation indeed and would be one which absolutely would not be allowed to happen.

Therefore, we will never – not in our lifetimes, anyway – see a headline in The Guardian which runs thus: ‘Stop Press: UK state admits it murdered David Kelly’.

After a certain time, it is entirely possible that such information, if indeed it is the case, and this is something which has not been proven, of course, becomes of historical value only, it might seep out. If it became clear, for instance (for the sake of hypothetical argument), that Lord Palmerston ordered the assassination of some or other trade union leader, it would be of immense historical interest and would and would be likely to provide copy for an entire Saturday supplement of The Guardian complete with much liberal posturing and a gallery of grainy photographs of grim Victorian gentlemen, but it would pass with minimal fuss and would not be seen as being of any contemporary political relevance and therefore would present no threat to the aforementioned social contract.

And so, Dominic Grieve can state, “We would like to resolve this in a way that can give the public reassurance. People who have expressed concerns about why Lord Hutton did not tie up every loose end may have a valid point.”

I thought the point of having an inquest was that people want to know the truth; it has nothing to do with people wanting “reassurance”. Reassurance of what? That agencies of the state are not complicit in extra-judicial executions? For that, read, ‘we just want to give people a more effective whitewash so they’ll stop asking awkward questions’.

There is considerable evidence that over a period of years, the UK state did engage in extra-judicial executions in the context of Northern Ireland and other (to quote Professor David Miller, Editor of Spinwatch) “unresolved colonial situations”.

Suhayl

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Thanks, dreolin (at 9:28am), it’s a good discussion to be had.

I assume you refer to my comments on the ’9/11′ post some days ago.

You see, I don’t feel any need whatsoever to apologise for what someone else does, or constantly to iterate that such-and-such is a ‘religion of peace’, etc., etc. ad nauseam. I’m not interested in that sort of sterile discourse.

Far from being ‘aplogist’ in either sense of the word, my view is that fundamentalist tendencies need actively to be striven against within the communities to which they pertain, whether those communities be, say, some Jewish ones in Israel, some Protestant ones in the West of Scotland or some Muslim ones in Pakistan. It is not easy, because in the last case the Islamists globally have billions of petro-dollars, a set of potent and ongoing causes (‘hot wars’), increasing numbers of adherents and (regionally-speaking) considerable military power.

For example, recently I was in a mainstream mosque in the UK. I will not say which one because firstly I do not want the mosque to become a target, secondly because I do not want The Daily Mail to ask me to ‘lead them to the extremist bookshops’ (they did indeed request this once, believe me!) and thirdly because I have no desire to be threatened with legal action.

Now, in the mosque library was a notice on the wall, not in English and not in Latin script, which purported to explain why “Qadianis [also known in some places as 'Ahmedis'] are not Muslim”.

Now, this may seem like a boring internal theological dispute of little consequence to those outside the room where ‘angels dance on the heads of pins’. However, in the context of the rise of Islamic fundamentalism during the mid-1970s in Pakistan and all that has happened thereafter, it is of very major significance. Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, acceding to demands from the rising Religious Right (think Sarah Palin), in the mid-1970s declared that the members of this group were officially no longer ‘Muslim’.

A couple of months ago, 70 people were murdered when a bomb exploded in a Qadiani mosque; this is only the latest in a long-running series of such atrocities, the pace of which has accelerated in recent years. There was a demonstration in Pakistan protesting about the lack of outrage in the country following this particularly horrendous attack. It is important to note that Shias and Christians also suffer attacks. I am aware of the power of divide-and-rule tactics, but my argument applies regardless of who commits these acts.

So, in this context, a statement in a mosque library that the members of this persecuted and completely non-threatening group of people ?” who regard themselves as devoutly Muslim – are “not Muslim” suggests at the very least gross insensitivity, bigotry and a lack of human compassion and at worst (it is arguable) might be construed as incitement to religious hatred. Furthermore, who the hell are they to say who is, and who is not, Muslim? I thought that was for God to decide.

The mainstream mosque in question in essence is controlled by those who are sympathetic to the aims of the Jamaat-i-Islami, a political party and movement in Pakistan but with widespread support among the diaspora in the UK which follows the teachings of the late Maulana Maududi, who was and remains a major figure in Sunni Islamism.

Now, it is entirely legitimate to criticise Western intelligence agencies, the military security complex et al for magnifying the threat of Islamism in the UK/ USA, etc. ?” and historically for fomenting, funding, arming and now also contributing to stoking it ?” and I do make these criticisms all the time, as is obvious on these boards.

But it does not preclude ?” indeed, it ought not to preclude and it is logical not to preclude ?” calls for Muslims to tackle the internal bigotry and ignorant supremacism which seem to have gripped many societies and whose proponents, while by no means always advocating violence (one must acknowledge that most of these folk would not support violence and have stated that they do not) do foster a rubric in which the closing-down of a discourse of tolerance (tolerance, that is, not in the somewhat debased colloquial sense but in the sense meant by Bosnian philosopher, Rusmir Mahmutcehajic) becomes implicit and indeed is exactly what happens on the ground. Inch-by-inch, a Saudi-influenced and financed totalitarian, supremacist mindset gains ground, through de facto censorship, and the alteration, of available religious literature, through peer pressure, through intense organisational activity and eventually also through the manipulated structures of patriarchy.

So I agree that it is tiresome, pointless, irritating and hypocritical for states embarked on war as a geostrategic policy instrument continually to make such calls and to demand loyalty and a re-affirmation against violence as a political tool from a specific (whose patriarchies arguably are alternately demonised and condescendingly feted) segment of society. Each bomblet generates another so-called ‘Talib’.

However, this does not mean that there are not very serious problems internally in Muslim societies which people of Muslim acculturation and/ or belief ignore at their (our) peril and which we all really urgently need to tackle, not least of which is the ongoing destruction of history ?” both physically, as exemplified by the ideological demolition of old buildings dating back to the time of the Prophet in Saudi Arabia, and politically/philosophically, everywhere.

Many people from Muslim communities are extremely angry about these systemic attempts to close-down of thought in their societies ?” a process which has been engineered by sheer power ?” but lack the organisational strength to do anything except moan. The problem, too, is that in the absence of a mass organised Left in the UK or indeed in Pakistan, their struggle risks being co-opted and/or manipulated by Western intelligence. Right now, it’s a lose-lose situation. That’s not to say we must not strive.

We really need a revitalised Left (in the UK too!) and maybe also in Muslim countries a form of ‘liberation theology’ (which was sidelined in ‘Latin’ America partly by an invasion of US-promoted Right-wing Evangelicals loaded with cash) – there have been attempts at this, but it needs to arise from the grassroots, from the urban working classes and lower middle classes of Pakistan – and they have been either wholly captured by toxic ideologies or else have been browbeaten into acquiescence by those same forces – by an alliance of feudal landowners, industrial capitalists and the Islamists – a triangulation (to re-use a much-prostituted term) of power and wealth whose ‘agents’ (adherents, facilitators and beneficiaries) now sit right through the corrupted and chauvinistic military-political power structures of Pakistan.

http://nadeemfparacha.wordpress.com/

“Thanks, dreolin (at 9:28am), it’s a good discussion to be had.”

Obviously it is, and I’m not qualified to get into the details of what you’ve written above, unfortunately. It just makes my blood boil to see attempts to push people into denouncements, but I’m not suggesting that you’ve ever apologised. Not at all. And I do realise that while I made comparisons with the Irish in Britain, there are many, and quite complicated, differences.

I posted the link as a semi-lighthearted thing which nevertheless follows up on what I said on the 9/11 thread.

Some stuff on Twitter today:

“Outrage over plans to build library next to Sarah Palin”

“The US has been building ground zeros near Mosques around the world for decades.”

“Wherever a bunch of Americans got slaughtered, that’s hallowed ground. Other nationalities, not so much.”

Glad to see that there are a lot of angry Americans on Twitter who are appalled at what’s been going on in the US — and very vocal about it.

I really wish you’d get an rss-feeder installed on the weblog, so that one could be notified whenever u add sth to it. (I’m halfway through Catholic Orangemen and it’s one of the most interesting books I’ve read in years).

all my best

a fellow historian

Thanks again, dreoilin. Yes, those quotes are super!

The other thing I wanted to say on a more general point of a slightly different sort (not in response to your post but as a tangential matter) was that there seems to be a campaign on the part of reactionary elements in Pakistan and a large part of the UK mainstream media to demonise the current (yes, flawed, but no more so than any previous military or civilian government in that country) government in Pakistan, a govt which seems constantly to have to fight actually to govern; no such concerted attempt to undermine the ruling regime was made during either Zia ul Haq’s or Pervez Musharraf’s military rule to whom the same elements seemed constantly to give the benefit of the doubt. I think that while the problems are immense, much of the anti-govt/ anti-Pakistan coverage is being generated by ‘retired’ Army officials and other assorted Right-wing (and nearly always Islamist) political elements.

I could be wrong, but I believe that anti-Pakistan coverage has affected the amount of aid being donated to the flood victims, which is far short of what’s needed. People can be subconsciously affected. Some of us on Twitter are trying to jizz up donations to the DEC and Concern Worldwide.

Tell me why I’m wrong in thinking this… if a country is short of (say) helicopters, I can understand – but why does a country than can pay for a massive army, and nuclear weapons, need money off working class people in Britain? I mean, come on! Either they need to help their own people, or they need to be a nuclear power – have we got to stick our hands in our pockets, so they can be both?

Humanitarian Warfare in Pakistan:Bombs not bread

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20641

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10977400

The drones are still delivering their payloads and the hideous Hillary Clinton is talking up the likelihood of terrorrrrrrrrrrrrrists using the opportunity to insert themselves into the stricken communities.

dreoilin, your’re right. Absoluetly right.

dec, it’s about people helping people, not govts giving govts weapons. There needs to be a redistribution of wealth and resources in Pakistan. But this flood disaster would tax even a highly developed country; it’s not about ‘working class people in Britain being robbed’ (as it were); it’s about working class people showing solidarity with other working class people; it’s about helping to save dying children – that ought, I’d argue, to transcend national barriers and other overtly political matters. I completely agree about the armies and nuclear weapons. That does not preclude us helping PEOPLE.

The only terrorists in Pakistan are the murederous C.I.A. black ops twats. Hillary Clinton didn’t have one bad word to say on Israel about the vicious execution of an American citizen on the Gaza flotilla. How much more proof do people want that Israel owns the U.S.A.? Everyone needs to wake up to the fact that it’s the Israeli mafia behind 9/11, 7/7, the fake War On Terror, the Iraq suicide bombings, the sinking of the South Korean ship, the destabilisation of Pakistan and the upcoming aggression towards North Korea and Iran. Just how dumb are some people? To clarify, the Israeli mafia isn’t the Israeli population who are just brainwashed slaves to their masters. We need to roll the tanks into Tel Aviv and Jerusalem to liberate the Israelis!

Just an amusing clip for anyone twiddling their thumbs. Can anyone say they looked at it, who hasn’t seen it before, without smirking? :-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVgWoeC0Eh4

Whilst home on weekend hols from the dusty hellhole of Ramsgate manor, I’d better give you an update on whats going on there.

Having restored three marble fireplaces,putting a dampcourse into a wall, preparing the main staircase to be decorated, I have now risen to the dizzy heights (second floor) tiling one of the bathrooms. No doubt more diverse chaws will be put in front of us in the coming two weeks.

Anybody who would like to help and exercise their digits with a little more than the usual pitter patter keyboard staccato, can come round and talk to us about melting girders, the melting/de construction of US society or the lack of action against tax avoidance,

is free to do so, just get in touch with Craig.

Those concerned with the ills and woes of the current administration of increasingly rightwing machinators and their wrigglin’ on Dr.Kelly’s untimely demise, as well as the next failed attempt to talk peace in the middle east, without Hamas, about to happen in Washington, will have to talk to each other for a while, we are busy and too knakered by the end of the day for any blooging.

Craigs fine and is enjoying the break from blooging. That said, there is no danger of his hands developing callouses or blisters, disabling his wiritng abilities (:-)……

“The only terrorists in Pakistan are the murderous C.I.A. black ops twats…” Jaded at 5:19pm.

I’m sure you’re correct that those forces are indeed operating there, but they’re not the only terrorists in the country – there are a number of groups of systemic murderers, some ethnically-based, others religion-centric, others organised criminal (and/or criminal/political) networks, others gangs which are being manipulated by various state agencies. All of them conduct black ops.

I think that seeing Israel as all-powerful in the manner you suggest actually risks detracting from the struggle of the Palestinians for a just settlement to the land and human rights issues in Palestine/Israel.

I was talking about the current destabilisation Suhayl. That’s the frickin C.I.A. and only the C.I.A.. If the C.I.A. weren’t skulking aroung there it wouldn’t be happening.

I don’t see Israel as ‘all-powerful’. I was just outlining what I see as the power they possess and what they are responsible for. Do you disagree with my opinion on this?

Lol, I just saw the ITV news headline. ‘Textbook suicide’ and ‘definitely suicide’. Ha ha ha. BULLSHIT!!!

Okay, thanks, Jaded (I think it’s Jaded, above).

No problem, but do you agree that the Israeli elites have a lot of responsibility for these events?

Well, I’m not an expert, Jaded and have no more knowledge on these matters than the next person. I’ve heard stuff about Israeli organised crime syndicates as well as the military-industrial complex in which Israeli companies play an important role. The elites there obviously have their fingers in many pies and have done for a long time – Israel and apartheid South Africa being a prime example. There is no question that these elites (in tandem with the often interchangeable neocon pals in the US power structure) were hugely in favour of the invasion of Iraq and their covert military forces were involved. And of course, Mossad goes about assassinating almost at will, anywhere in the world. There is no reason why they would not be involved in some way and at some level in Af-Pak too.

The problem is that when you discuss international affairs with many (educated) people in, eg. Pakistan, r among some in Muslim communityies in the UK, quite often you get some really silly myths about ‘The Jews’ thrown at you. It’s very difficult to be calm and strategic when you’re trying to argue about the MI complex/ US power and yet argue against these daft and bigoted myths.

Perhaps that goes some way to explaining my circumspection in this area.

I think that Israel loves to project itself as invincible – but look at its Lebanon war of 2006. Some of these myths, etc. play into that propaganda of ‘Israeli invincibility’. I’m not suggesting that you are doing this, though!