Syria and Diplomacy

by craig on January 21, 2014 11:49 am in Uncategorized

The problem with the Geneva Communique from the first Geneva round on Syria is that the government of Syria never subscribed to it.  It was jointly chaired by the League of Arab States for Syria, whatever that may mean.  Another problem is that it is, as so many diplomatic documents are, highly ambiguous.  It plainly advocates a power sharing executive formed by some of the current government plus the opposition to oversee a transition to democracy.  But it does not state which elements of the current government, and it does not mention which elements of the opposition, nor does it make plain if President Assad himself is eligible to be part of, or to head, the power-sharing executive, and whether he is eligible to be a candidate in future democratic elections.

Doubtless the British, for example, would argue that the term transition implies that he will go.  The Russians will argue there is no such implication and the text does not exclude anybody from the process.  Doubtless also diplomats on all sides were fully aware of these differing interpretations and the ambiguity is quite deliberate to enable an agreed text. I would say that the text tends much more to the “western” side, and that this reflects the apparently weak military position of the Assad regime at that time and the then extant threat of western military intervention.  There has been a radical shift in those factors against the western side in the interim. Expect Russian interpretations now to get more hardline.

Given the extreme ambiguity of the text, Iran has, as it frequently does, shot itself in the foot diplomatically by refusing to accept the communique as the basis of talks and thus getting excluded from Geneva.  Iran should have accepted the communique, and then at Geneva issued its own interpretation of it.

But that is a minor point.  The farcical thing about the Geneva conference is that it is attempting to promote into power-sharing in Syria “opposition” members who have no democratic credentials and represent a scarcely significant portion of those actually fighting the Assad regime in Syria.  What the West are trying to achieve is what the CIA and Mossad have now achieved in Egypt; replacing the head of the Mubarak regime while keeping all its power structures in place. The West don’t really want democracy in Syria, they just want a less pro-Russian leader of the power structures.

The inability of the British left to understand the Middle East is pathetic.  I recall arguing with commenters on this blog who supported the overthrow of the elected President of Egypt Morsi on the grounds that his overthrow was supporting secularism, judicial independence (missing the entirely obvious fact the Egyptian judiciary are almost all puppets of the military) and would lead to a left wing revolutionary outcome.  Similarly the demonstrations against Erdogan in Istanbul, orchestrated by very similar pro-military forces to those now in charge in Egypt, were also hailed by commenters here.  The word “secularist” seems to obviate all sins when it comes to the Middle East.

Qatar will be present at Geneva, and Qatar has just launched a pre-emptive media offensive by launching a dossier on torture and murder of detainees by the Assad regime, which is being given first headline treatment by the BBC all morning

There would be a good dossier to be issued on torture in detention in Qatar, and the lives of slave workers there, but that is another question.

I do not doubt at all that atrocities have been committed and are being committed by the Assad regime.  It is a very unpleasant regime indeed.  The fact that atrocities are also being committed by various rebel groups does not make Syrian government atrocities any better.

But whether 11,000 people really were murdered in a single detainee camp I am unsure.  What I do know is that the BBC presentation of today’s report has been a disgrace.  The report was commissioned by the government of Qatar who commissioned Carter Ruck to do it.  Both those organisations are infamous suppressors of free speech.  What is reprehensible is that the BBC are presenting the report as though it were produced by neutral experts, whereas the opposite is the case.  It is produced not by anti torture campaigners or by human rights activists, but by lawyers who are doing it purely and simply because they are being paid to do it.

The BBC are showing enormous deference to Sir Desmond De Silva, who is introduced as a former UN war crimes prosecutor.  He is indeed that, but it is not the capacity in which he is now acting.  He is acting as a barrister in private practice.  Before he was a UN prosecutor, he was for decades a criminal defence lawyer and has defended many murderers.  He has since acted to suppress the truth being published about many celebrities, including John Terry.

If the Assad regime and not the government of Qatar had instructed him and paid him, he would now be on our screens arguing the opposite case to that he is putting.  That is his job.  He probably regards that as not reprehensible.  What is reprehensible is that the BBC do not make it plain, but introduce him as a UN war crimes prosecutor as though he were acting in that capacity or out of concern for human rights.  I can find no evidence of his having an especial love for human rights in the abstract, when he is not being paid for it.  He produced an official UK government report into the murder of Pat Finucane, a murder organised by British authorities, which Pat Finucane’s widow described as a “sham”.  He was also put in charge of quietly sweeping the Israeli murders on the Gaza flotilla under the carpet at the UN.

The question any decent journalist should be asking him is “Sir Desmond De Silva, how much did the government of Qatar pay you for your part in preparing this report?  How much did it pay the other experts?  Does your fee from the Government of Qatar include this TV interview, or are you charging separately for your time in giving this interview?  In short how much are you being paid to say this?”

That is what any decent journalist would ask.  Which is why you will never hear those questions on the BBC.

 

 

 

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  1. “That’s a bit of an amalgam, isn’t it?”

    Of course it is. Inflation is multi-determined, the three main factors being an increase in money supply beyond best fit or debasement, an increase in prices for imports and increases in wages.

    All are present in the post-war period.

    The only period when wage rises became overly problematic was in the 1970s and this was because Britain was in decline in terms of its currency, increasing import costs, the price of oil and its inability to compete with a reemergent Germany and Japan, with the other Asians fast looming upon the horizon.

    So, Britain went banking and services.

    Bomber Harris and his chums on Enola Gay were in many ways the father and mother of US and UK post-war boom in auto production.

  2. “Who is this Sunny Hundal and what are his antecedents? Anyone know?”

    He’s a Sikh. I think they’re under represented in public life, but anyone who thinks that NATO or the Arab League have the best interests of Syrian people in their hearts needs their head examining.

    Best thing to reduce the conflict in Syria would be to get the West to call off its dogs!

  3. doug scorgie

    29 Jan, 2014 - 6:49 pm

    ESLO
    29 Jan, 2014 – 2:52 pm

    Me:
    “There are no anti-Jewish racists on this blog.”

    ESLO:
    “Only because you are defining being anti-Jewish as not being racist I fear.”

    That is a typical Zionist response; a lie!

    If you have evidence of anti-Jewish racism on this blog please provide details.

    When have I defined anti-Jewish as not being racist?

    I don’t expect an answer.

  4. Inflation is a tool of bankers. Only bankers cause inflation and they do it deliberately.

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

    Thomas Jefferson in the debate over The Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809).

  5. Here’s a paper from the Cleveland Fed, of all places, which argues as I do above that wage rises are a function of higher prices, that is, they follow from higher prices rather than causing them.

    http://www.clevelandfed.org/research/policydis/pd1.pdf

  6. Remember the Flame?

    Now we are getting the Queen’s Baton Relay.

    Will the sheeple accept this latest exercise in propaganda, this time for the Common-‘Wealth’ (there’s a name to conjure with) Games rather than the Limp Ics?

    Commonwealth Games: Queen’s Baton Relay route announced
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25942640

    5,000 tickets are being given free to the young, sports organisations and the disabled.

    Glasgow 2014 Ltd Directors http://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC325245/GLASGOW-2014-LIMITED/directors-shareholders

    The big cheeses seem to be Lord Smith of Kelvin (a recent recipient of the Order of the Thistle LOL) and Sir William Gammell.

    ‘Robert Haldane Smith, Baron Smith of Kelvin, KT (born 8 August 1944) is a British businessman and former Governor of the British Broadcasting Corporation before the advent of the BBC Trust. He is the present Chancellor of the [[University of Strathclyde)]and Chair of the UK Government-backed Green Investment Bank.’ Wikipedia.

    ‘[..]Gammell followed his father into business. Using venture capital, he founded Cairn Energy in Edinburgh. The company invested in several unsuccessful oilfields in the US before making a modest strike in the Pennsylvania oilfield. Gammell was appointed Cairn’s Chief Executive on its initial listing in 1989. In the mid 1990s he led the company in a radical reallocation of its assets, moving out of US and North Sea oil and gas concerns and into neglected fields in South Asia. The company’s fortunes soared in 2004, when a field it had bought in 2001 (for $7.5 million) from Shell in the Indian province of Rajasthan was found to contain close to 1.1 billion barrels of oil,[1] catapulting it into the FTSE 100.

    Gammell was paid an annual salary of £552,000 for his role as chief executive at Cairn Energy. On 1 July 2011 Gammell assumed the role of non-executive chairman.

    Gammell’s father invested in US oil company Bush-Overbey, owned by future US President George H. W. Bush. The two families became friends, with George W. Bush spending the summer at the Gammell’s farm in Scotland. George W. attended Bill Gammell’s wedding in Glasgow in 1983. The two have remained close friends. When George W. Bush assumed the Presidency, both he and Blair reportedly called their mutual friend Gammell to ask his opinion of the other.

    Bill Gammell is a director of the Scottish Institute of Sport and Artemis AiM VCT plc., and in 2004 he was awarded UK Entrepreneur of the Year. In the 2006 honours list, Gammell was made a Knight Bachelor “for services to Industry in Scotland”. In 2011 he was awarded the Honorary Degree of Doctor of Business Administration by Robert Gordon University.’ Wikipedia.
    ~~~

    Emetic needed please.

  7. “Prosecutors drop case against men caught taking food from Iceland bins

    CPS reverses decision to charge three men after outcry, saying it no longer believes prosecution is in public interest”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/29/prosecutors-drop-case-men-food-iceland-bins

    In a more open world we’d have an explanation of the thinking that led to the first decision and a futher explanation as to why they subsequently changed their mind.

    Deciding that things are or are not in the public interest is quite an important power and in the absence of openess I’m not altogether sure I’d trust these bozos and their reasoning.

    I’m sure Iceland’s going public has had some impact on their reversal but I really would like to know how prosecuting people for feeding themselves from wastebins is in the public interest. Are they thinking we’ll be seeing more and more of this in the near future and there’s some policy to take a stand now. Is that it?

    In any event whoever made the decision and their reasoning ought to be made public, and if it’s found wanting they should be moved to less onerous dutiesd that don’t involve too much thinking.

    I strongly suspect though that public interest is as malleable a phrase these days as national security, and every trick in the book will ultimately be used by the gangsters in charge to further impoverish and break the very victims of their scorched earth economic policies.

  8. Sofia Kibo Noh

    29 Jan, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    Dad.

    “But I am old enough to remember noticing the high inflation of the 1960s and 1970s (I believe it was 25% in 1975?) and that was certainly caused by large groups of industrial and public sector workers gaining high wage increases without any corresponding increases in productivity.”

    Well I’m not a fossil, but I’m old enough to remember 2013 when Uk Executive pay rose by 14% contrasted to 0.7% for most workers. I’ll let you work out where the thieves are…
    http://www.myfinances.co.uk/pensions/2013/11/18/ftse-100-bosses-see-pay-rising-20x-faster-than-average

    And while we’re on the subject of thieves, consider this. Bankers conjure money into existence by giving out loans with money they don’t actually possess. So that kind of “ money” is in fact debt certificates. Our Pounds, Dollars and Euros are simply tokens, with no commodity backing.

    In any other area of human interaction such fraudulent printing of money and fractional reserve banking would be considered criminal and the perpetrators would be held to account in a court of law.

    All of which dovetails back into Mary’s 8 24am link,

    “We need to do more than put these issues on their agenda . . . The corporate elite represented at Davos cannot be allowed to meet in luxury and pretend they have the answers to the world’s problems. They are the world’s problems”.

    Here it is again , http://politicalcleanup.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/bill-gates-myth/

  9. Jonathan Cook on Oxfam, Scarlett Johansson and Sodastream.
    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-01-29/oxfams-silence-on-johansson-reveals-all/

    He links to the Guardian poll where Hasbara is obviously piling in. This afternoon the answer ‘Yes’ to the question ‘Do you think Oxfam should sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?’ was polling 86%. Now it is down to 66%.
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/poll/2014/jan/28/communications

  10. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    Herbie

    “..and its (ie, the UK’s) inability to compete with a reemergent Germany and Japan,..”
    ______________________

    And with most other European countries – no good trying to lay all this at the door of just those two countries. But WHY do you think the UK was unable to compete, despite the depreciated currency you rightly point to and the fact that the entire West had to pay more for oil? Why was the UK so uncompetitive? Whence this lack of competitivity? Anything to do with excessively high govt spending and powerful groups of industrial and public sector workers extorting excessively high wages out of their employers without corresponding increases in productivity?

  11. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:30 pm

    Mr Scourgie

    “If you have evidence of anti-Jewish racism on this blog please provide details.

    When have I defined anti-Jewish as not being racist?

    I don’t expect an answer.”
    ___________________-

    I’ll give you one answer whether you expect it or not, Doug.

    The “loving” detail with which certain posters expose any possible Jewish connections of the people they slag off on this blog : married to a Jew….good friends to a Jew or two (that was about Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor)….pointing out that Venezuelan Presidential candidate Enrique Capriles’ full name (in the Spanish mode) is Enrique Capriles Radonski…etc, etc. And not to mention those unfortunates who actually are Jewish.

    Now, anti-semitism has a certain staying power, but what is porbably mosy objectionable is the sheer cowardice of those posters who daren’t come out with their prejudices openly but just provide a steady drip, drip, drip of allusions to Jewishness.

    Too many drips become a drivel.

  12. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:31 pm

    PS – Mary being by far the worst (but not only) offender, as the record clearly shows.

  13. BrianFujisan

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    Mary
    that Sunny Hundal character seems to be everywhere.

    He even pops up on a thread of Tweets about Assange…arguing that J.A should have been Carted off to Sweden Regardless of innocence, Or Guilt,…wee Dickhead. –

    “Doesn’t matter if Julian Assange hasn’t been formally charged: he should go to Sweden and answer allegations. Ludicrous to argue otherwise” – Sunny Hundal

    By the Way..That is a Strange, and interesting tread of Tweets … almost Everyone turns up… George Monbiot, Wikileaks, Suzanne Moore, John Rentoul, Medilens, Jemima Khan, Glen Greenwald, Even Bianca Jagger, amonst many others. i wouldn’t call it a must read…but many show themselves for whom they are…Cretins.

    http://assange.fivefilters.org/

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:36 pm

    From Mary

    “He links to the Guardian poll where Hasbara is obviously piling in. This afternoon the answer ‘Yes’ to the question ‘Do you think Oxfam should sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?’ was polling 86%. Now it is down to 66%”
    _________________

    Which shows that once they inform themselves a little better, people are seeing through the hype and noise put out about Scarlett Johansson by anti-semites like yourself?

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:40 pm

    “…2013 when Uk Executive pay rose by 14% contrasted to 0.7% for most workers.”
    ______________________

    Throughout the 1970s the annual inflation rate in the UK averaged 13%, with a peak of 25% in 1975.

    Executive pay rises or wage rises obtained by large groups of industrial and public sector workers?

  16. “On Death and Derivatives”

    http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/01/on-death-and-derivatives/#comment-143508

    A lot of deaths there!!!.

  17. BrianFujisan

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:51 pm

    Syria gov’t slams US rearmament of rebels

    The Syrian official delegation to the Geneva II conference slammed on Tuesday the U.S. decision to restart sending non-lethal help to the Syrian rebels, saying the move aims to thwart the success of the peace talks, according to the state-run SANA news agency.

    Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad said the U.S. decision “aims at thwarting the conference,” stressing that the side which provides weapons to terrorist groups doesn’t care about the conference’s success.

    “The U.S. decision is a very bad message because Washington has launched this conference, and it should not support the armed terrorist groups as they know that the weapons, which had been previously sent, flowed into the terrorists,” Mekdad said, according to SANA.

    The remarks came a day after Western reports said that Washington has restarted sending non-lethal aid to the “moderate” rebels in Syria, after suspending its previous aid for a month.

    The latest move raised the ire of the Syrian government.

    Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi said that the U.S. decision reflects Washington’s backtracking on the political solution.

    He wondered: “How can the U.S. position be supportive to Geneva II and aim at reaching a political solution when at the same time it supports, creates and backs up terrorism, violence and the military option?”

    For her part, Syria’s Presidential Political and Media Advisor Bouthaina Shaaban said that the U.S. decision is contradictory to the efforts exerted by Russia, the U.S., and the international community for launching the Geneva II conference.

    She refuted the U.S. allegations on so-called “non-lethal weapons,” saying that all of the weapons that are being funneled inside Syria, end up in the hands of the radical groups.

    http://www.china.org.cn/world/2014-01/29/content_31338181.htm?

  18. Latest
    Do you think Oxfam should sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?

    Yes down to 64%
    No up to 36%

    The power of the lobby at work.

  19. “But WHY do you think the UK was unable to compete, despite the depreciated currency you rightly point to and the fact that the entire West had to pay more for oil? Why was the UK so uncompetitive?”

    The UK has never been competitive in the economic sense. That’s not what they do. They certainly needed to expand and build infrastructure in the post-war period, and they did that, taking advantage of Germany and Japan being a bit behind, and of course the total absence of most of Eurasia. The British elites aren’t primarily interested in an economy based on making things better than the other chap. That’s why there’s always been this snobbishness about trades. The clou really is if you look at how other European countries fared in terms of their welfare provision in the post war period, the British were way behind even in terms of that. They weren’t interested. You see the same thing in the squandering of North Sea oil revenues, where other countries have sovereign wealth funds. There’s a difference in mentality. Some countries will save for a rainy day and other more powerful countries will tend to take things as they come, quite literally.

    The British elite skill lies in banking and foreign adventure, and they’re back doing that now.

    As I showed above wage rises are themselves caused by higher prices rather than being the cause of higher prices, but you can certainly create a feedback loop.

    As ever it’s not the people who cause the problems. The shift from manufacturing to banking and services will have been planned well in advance, and even Healey’s IMF loan was little more than a ruse.

    In any event, wages aren’t the problem now. It’s the growing gap between rich and poor and the casino economy.

    If you have the faintest clue how the world works you’d know that any explanation that blames the peeps on the ground is invariably bollocks.

  20. As I just said.

    Vote at the Guardian: Should Oxfam sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?
    Henry Norr on January 28, 2014

    “Sure, Oxfam. Let’s keep the dialogue going. What could happen?”
    Palestinian Loss of Land 1946-2010
    http://f8wee1vvia32pdxo527grujy61.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ScarJo-in-front-of-maps.jpg

    The Guardian just launched an online poll on the ScarJo controversy. So far it’s a blowout: 87% of voters (number unspecified) says yes, Oxfam should sever its ties with its recently appointed “brand ambassador.” I suspect, though, that SodaStream’s friends have not yet mobilized their forces – look for a big surge in the “no” column when they do. Still, we should be able to win this one – vote now, and spread the word.

    Poll closes in seven days (Tuesday, Feb. 4).
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/guardian-scarlett-johansson.html

  21. “Prosecutors drop case against men caught taking food from Iceland bins”

    Result.

  22. Habbabkuk

    That will be prominent Venezuelan Israeli supporter Henrique Capriles Radonski who even has his own page under that name at The Times of Israel. Perhaps you could be a good chap and pop over there and tell them not to use “Radonski” and not to point out his Jewish ancestry or you’ll report them as anti-semites.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/henrique-capriles-radonski/ (Note URL)

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/venezuelans-to-elect-new-president-following-chavezs-death/

    Capriles is a 40-year-old state governor, with Jewish roots, who lost to Chavez in October’s presidential election by a nearly 11-point margin

    Btw, Habbabkuk I knew virtually nothing about the man until you got me to go Googling.

    http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/6998

    Ledezma told reporters he spoke with Netanyahu and Liberman about “the Venezuelan people’s solidarity with the Jewish community” and, “in addition, our (opposition) disposition to reestablish relations with the State of Israel under a new government presided by Henrique Capriles Radonski”.

    “In contrast to the current political policy in Venezuela”, he said, “Capriles will re-establish our historical ties”.

    …During his 3-day trip to Israel, the opposition’s Ledezma made no mention of Israel’s segregationist policies towards the Palestinians, the widely-condemned but ongoing blockade against those in Gaza, nor did he question the inhuman prison conditions currently under international scrutiny as several Palestinian hunger strikers near death.

  23. “Cut orf their heads! Cut orf their horrghghgaaaaahhh. . . . .”

    When all the UK’s vast duplicity is laid bare, will the gagger herself get de-gobbed? One must ask oneself.

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 9:39 pm

    Alcanon (Squonk)

    “Btw, Habbabkuk I knew virtually nothing about the man until you got me to go Googling.”
    _____________________

    This shows, my dear Squonk, that you have not been following Mary as assiduously as I should have expected you to. I hope she will not be offended by this revelation…:)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “That will be prominent Venezuelan Israeli supporter Henrique Capriles Radonski who even has his own page under that name at The Times of Israel. Perhaps you could be a good chap and pop over there and tell them not to use “Radonski” and not to point out his Jewish ancestry or you’ll report them as anti-semites.”
    _________________

    I don’t find it especially surprising that Capriles’ full name (with the supposed Jewish connotation) should appear on his page in The Times of Israel or that it is cited in Israeli publications. It is, however, somewhat more surprising to find it lovingly pointed to in a UK-based blog, the majority of whose readers are probably Brits. What was the point of that? It cannot have been a love for accuracy on Mary’s part since she was/is happy to refer to the winner of the Venezuelan election as Nicolas Maduro rather than by his full name (again, in the Spanish style)of Nicolas Maduro Moros.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ““in addition, our (opposition) disposition to reestablish relations with the State of Israel under a new government presided by Henrique Capriles Radonski”.”
    ___________________

    This indicates that the current govt of Venezuela does not have diplomatic relations with Israel. In general, would you think it good if many more states did not have diplomatic relations with Israel and what conclusion do you draw about the overwhelming majority of the world’s states that do have such relations?

    Stop playing the ingénu, Squonk – why do you support the anti-semitic Mary?

    ********************

    “Life is getting better, life is getting merrier” (J. Stalin, ca. 1932)

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 9:41 pm

    ““Gold Price Exploding In Emerging Markets””
    ______________

    Not surprising really, Someone, since the currencies of those countries are going down the pan rapidly (check out the peso, the rupee and the real)

  26. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 9:49 pm

    Herbie

    “If you have the faintest clue how the world works you’d know that any explanation that blames the peeps on the ground is invariably bollocks.”
    ________________

    I’ll forgive you the slightly patronising tone of the above but – while recognising that being present on the ground does not necessarily bring greater insight (Sir Walter Raleigh in the Tower, projecting a History of the World – you’ll understand the reference) – I should like to ask you how old you were in, say, 1975. I think you can guess why I’m asking.

  27. Habbabkuk,

    Quite simply Habbabkuk I do not believe Mary to be anti-semitic. I do believe you to be anti-Mary. I have never seen Mary criticise anyone Jewish who supports the Palestinian cause as I’ve said to you before. As there are many prominent Jewish critics of Israeli policy, it would seem certain that Mary would have attacked one of them by now if she was genuinely anti-semitic.

    All the evidence to me points to Mary being pro-Palestinian and an opponent of Zionist policies. It is therefore no surprise to me when she points out people she believes to have views strongly opposed to her own. Just as The Times of Israel points out the same people for effectively the same reason (ie supporters of current Israeli government policy).

    Your repeated accusation of anti-semitism against Mary is a false accusation.

    By the way I am currently reading “From Beirut to Jerusalem” by Dr Swee Chai Ang (Dr Ang Swee Chai) about the massacres of Palestinians she witnessed as a Doctor which occurred under direct Israeli authority in 1982 in Palestinian refugee camps. Even she was subjected to a mock execution by Israeli soldiers. As a foreigner she survived but thousands of Palestinians didn’t including many she had personally treated. It really is painful to read her first hand account account of multiple atrocities she witnessed carried out by forces consisting of Israeli units and mercenaries under their direct command. Perhaps you should read it? If Mary hadn’t mentioned the book I would never have known of it.

    Pick up a used copy from £2.81 including P&P or Kindle edition for £3.21.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0586205241

  28. One more Palestinian has been killed in Ramallah by the IDF.

    29 January 2014
    Israeli troops kill Palestinian in West Bank
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25947618

    A ‘terrorist’ note according to the IDF.
    ~~~

    Harriet Sherwood who has reported from Israel for the Guardian is returning to London.
    She has written this very moving valedictory piece on her final visit to Gaza, describing the hellish lives being led there.

    Goodbye Gaza: our correspondent reflects on her time in the Middle East
    After three years reporting on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, our Middle East correspondent is coming home to the UK. With heavy heart she pays a farewell visit to Gaza and pays tribute to the resilience, creativity and humour of its people
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/25/goodbye-gaza-harriet-sherwood-palestine-israel

    Her humanity is plain and welcome but sometimes her perspective has been skewed.

    A small example – ‘especially during the brutal three-week war with Israel in 2008-9.’ She refers to Cast Lead. The ‘brutality’ was almost entirely Israeli as we know. An attack with bombs and missiles was planned for maximum killing at 11am on the first day. 215 children and graduating police were murdered in the first 15 minutes. Thermobaric weapons were used. Photos of the dead police showed ‘rubber legs’ ie multiple fractures from massive blast.

    And she uses the phrase ‘Israeli/Palestinian CONFLICT’. Conflict my eye. It has been, and continues to be, slow genocide with imprisonment and torture of all varieties.

    PS CIF Watch don’t like her one bit. No less than three unpleasant articles in a row about her reporting.

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 10:39 pm

    Squonk

    I don’t know if Mary was the author of these posts or if it was someone else, but would you hazard a guess as to why, for example, it was pointed out on this blog (in a manner I would not describe as positive) that

    – Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor had a couple of good Jewish friends (from her college days)

    – the last few chairmen of the FED were Jewish

    – Jews were “over-represented” on the US Supreme Court?

    I can assure you that those observations had nothing to do with the gist (such as it was) of the posts I refer to.

  30. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 10:44 pm

    PS to Squonk

    In case you think that I’m imagining this about Mary, I would point out that the same observations have been made by a few other commenters whom I don’t know from Adam and with whom I have no connection whatsoever. So I don’t think you can put this down to some sort of personal obsession about Mary (whoever she is).

    And I will admit that she has toned down this kind of snide allusion over the past few months, ever since I pulled her up about it rather vigorously. So there is still hope…

  31. Resident Dissident

    29 Jan, 2014 - 10:55 pm

    If you have evidence of anti-Jewish racism on this blog please provide details.

    As well as Mary’s many references to the Jewish relatives of anyone she dislikes, might I suggest you read the postings of Guano (who has Islamosupremacist views as well e.g. Civilisation starts at Istanbul was a recent gem) and then you might wish to look at much of the information to which Daniel Rich links and there is of course John Goss’s links to all the Rothchild’s garbage. Could I suggest you research it all before you come back with a conclusion. We could of course mention English Knight or whatever that thick piece of shit is currently calling himself.

  32. Res Diss

    “the postings of Guano (who has Islamosupremacist views as well e.g. Civilisation starts at Istanbul was a recent gem)”

    That’s your evidence?

    I mean. Are you serious?

  33. Resident Dissident

    29 Jan, 2014 - 11:07 pm

    “And I will admit that she has toned down this kind of snide allusion over the past few months, ever since I pulled her up about it rather vigorously. So there is still hope…”

    To be fair to Mary, she does respond for a time when corrected. The points she makes (e.g re Oona King flip flopping and what her past political positions have been) often have validity even if I disagree – and are in fact weakened rather than strengthened by the Jewish references/allusions.

    Many times she does point to events in Israel and Palestine, and occasionally elsewhere, that need to be given wider circulation – and I have no problem with that whatsoever.

  34. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    Squonk :

    Leaving aside for a moment the question of whether Mary is antisemitic or not ( I fear we might have to differ on that),consider this very recent post from Mary :

    “One more Palestinian has been killed in Ramallah by the IDF.

    29 January 2014
    Israeli troops kill Palestinian in West Bank
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25947618
    __________________

    Now, I have read the BBC link she provided. In summary,the Israelis claim that the Palestinian attacked an army post and that a rifle and several bullet casings were found at the scene. The Palestinians for their part say that this is untrue and that the man was working on something for a Palestinian ministry.

    I suggest that you read that BBC link as well and then tell me who you think is telling the truth and why. I myself have no idea, but perhaps you possess powers unavailable to me which will enable you to rule on which of those two diametrically opposed versions is the correct one. Mary obviously has those powers, but as I’m sure she won’t share them with me perhaps you would be good enough to do so?

  35. Resident Dissident

    29 Jan, 2014 - 11:13 pm

    Herbie

    I am not going to post a long list with every instance – but believe me I could if I wished. I have pointed out many incidences of what I consider to be anti-Semitism and racism when I come across them (which is the right time to do so) – if you want to review my past postings you will find them by your own efforts. I do not keep a catalogue.

  36. antisemite = Apartheid word, as it embraces only a select few and excludes all others. Those who use it [in its current context] are Apartheid supporters. Keep on rowing now, boys. Your boat’s sinking fast and with no land in sight you’ll be in it for the long haul.

    All’s well in La-La-Land too:”The deflation “ogre” is about to devour the economies of the eurozone and the United States, according to some senior officials. The solution is hyperinflation that wipes money and all debt. Amazing mountains of money being printed out of thin-air in the US and eurozone, near-zero interest rates; credit expanding at two-digit rates; stocks prices setting record highs; housing prices rising at 14%; food becoming unaffordable to increasing numbers of people and putting over 50 million Americans on food stamps – describing these conditions as “deflation” is simply insanity and falsehood.” LINK

  37. But, Res Diss,

    You said that Guano had what you termed, Islamosupremacist views, and your best evidence, “a gem” in your own words is that he said:

    “Civilisation starts at Istanbul”.

    “the postings of Guano (who has Islamosupremacist views as well e.g. Civilisation starts at Istanbul was a recent gem)”

    You see. If your labelling of Guano as having “Islamosupremacist views” is based on such risible evidence then I fear your allegations of anti-semitism may well be based on similarly risible evidence.

  38. http://utdocuments.blogspot.com.br/2014/01/does-obama-administration-view.html

    Does Obama administration view journalists as Snowden’s “accomplices”? It seems so.
    James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, appeared today before the Senate Intelligence Committee, his first appearance since outright lying to that Committee last March about NSA bulk collection. In his prepared opening remarks, Clapper said this:

    Who, in the view of the Obama administration, are Snowden’s “accomplices” The FBI and other official investigators have been very clear with the media that there is no evidence whatsoever that Snowden had any help in copying and removing documents from the NSA.

    Here, Clapper is referring to “accomplices” as those who can “facilitate the return of the remaining” documents. As Snowden has said, the only ones to whom he has given those documents are the journalists with whom he has worked. As has been publicly reported, the journalists who are in possession of thousands of Snowden documents include myself, Laura Poitras, Barton Gellman/The Washington Post, The New York Times, the Guardian, and ProPublica.

    Is it now the official view of the Obama administration that these journalists and media outlets are “accomplices” in what they regard as Snowden’s crimes? If so, that is a rather stunning and extremist statement. Is there any other possible interpretation of Clapper’s remarks?
    posted by Glenn Greenwald | 10:41 AM

  39. Habbabkuk

    you certainly do not Live in the Uk…those of us who do, and are concerned about human rights, and international Laws…almost EVERY DAY…come up against bbc lies, and Gov.com war propaganda – which is in itself a crime in international law… that you attempt to hold up the bbc criminals over the latest Palestinian killing is very telling.

    Your most recent slur on Mary is out of order…and also an insult to many of Craig’s posters. Alcanon put forward valid points… and you turn to the bbc….. champions of truth…i think not…i think, that well over 1 million innocent people are dead today… because of the bbc lies, in several countries, latest being Syria… And the war crime of bbc Propaganda goes on, and on, and on.

    Most of the posters on Craig’s Blog who post about Israeli crimes, do so mindful that they ARE CRIMES in international law.

    Example – For the second time in only a few hours posters here have put up the same link to Israeli violations of international law in 2013, this survey was not compiled by Craig, or his Posters.

    As for the politician’s made up word antisemite…. over due time to Bin it…. Racism… now that’s a real word

  40. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Jan, 2014 - 1:07 am

    Someone. 8 46pm

    Thanks for the link.

    German GDP €2.7 Trillion…..Deutsche Bank Total Derivative Exposure €55.6 Trillion.

    ”Derivatives are what Warren Buffet dubbed “weapons of financial mass destruction.”

    Aside from more bankers leaping from high places, what happens when this one gets found out?

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 7:17 am

    Fujisan

    “Your most recent slur on Mary is out of order…and also an insult to many of Craig’s posters. Alcanon put forward valid points… and you turn to the bbc….. champions of truth”
    _______________

    I think you’ll find that it was Mary who turned to the BBC, as it was she who provided a link to an article on the BBC website. (Ref: Mary’s post at 22h25 yesterday). Don’t try it on.

  42. Especially for Alastair Campbell and Lynton Crosby.

    Spin Doctors
    by Charles Fraser / January 29th, 2014

    Post modern soothsayers
    turning lies into truth
    Incompetence into
    misunderstood genius
    spinning, spinning, spinning,
    day and night
    weaving mixed messages and half truths
    spinning common straw into uncommon gold
    Corporate owned media
    angling, fishing, predicting, 24/7
    non-stop, over clover and under cover,
    finally, a metamorphous achieved:
    From bungling idiot, into mistaken, taken for granted
    Good ole boy, president Bush.
    Died in the wool,
    insightful complex visionary
    from shame to fame….
    and lame to gain, it is a miracle!!
    Lead to gold
    Democracy merely an illusion
    the truth, what about the truth?
    Spin doctors watch their spinning wheel go round and round
    never touching the ground
    quick silver spin
    They really like to watch them spin
    There’s much spinning to do
    They are tops at spinning the truth.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/01/spin-doctors/

    Miliband appears to have a team headed by Rowan Williams’ ex secretary, Tim Livesey.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/06/who%E2%80%99s-team-ed
    Couldn’t make it up.

  43. Please don’t feed the trolls. As much as I really appreciate people coming to my defence, it only provides the troupe with a platform to hurl more of their stuff at me.

    They remind me of the TV programme ‘One Man and His Dog’ where one of the tasks of the border collies and their handlers is to isolate one marked sheep and detach it from the group. They will not succeed however.

    Incidentally I never said anything about the ethnic origins of Johansson. The RI (Resident Interrogator) did. I neither know nor care. I just know that she is aiding a cruel occupation by supporting an Israeli manufacturer. Susan Sarandon was supporting an Israeli blood diamond dealer Lev Leviev by attending an opening of one of his stores.

    ~~~
    I came across these videos of another actress, a fine one in this case, Vanessa Redgrave. She speaks out.

    Vanessa Redgrave’s ‘Zionist Hoodlums’ Speech Shocks Hollywood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGWxHvKs48

    The context is here.
    ‘When Redgrave was nominated for an Oscar in 1978, for her role in Julia, members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), led by Rabbi Meir Kahane, burned effigies of Redgrave and picketed the Academy Awards ceremony to protest against both Redgrave and her support of the Palestinian cause.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanessa_Redgrave#Julia.2C_The_Palestinian_and_the_Oscar_controversy

    ~~~

    This one too where she condemns the Israeli attack on Gaza, 2008/9 Cast Lead, named for the dreidls given to children for the festival. The spinning toys used to made of lead. How cruel in the light of the number of Palestinian children in that onslaught.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcghebMywSI

    Interesting that the link to this video of Craig speaking at the massive protest on Saturday 10 January 2009, entitled ‘Former British Ambassador Craig Murray Stop Gaza Massacre protest..’ doesn’t work.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DkldhMYlRM

    ‘An error occurred. Please try again later.’

  44. O/T but pertinent to this blog re: Liam Fox Werrity
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1707143

  45. Radio 4 Today were putting out more anti Assad propaganda this morning, by repeating Clapper’s assertion that biological weapons such as anthrax and ricin were being manufactured. Sarah Montague spoke to this person in the studio to elaborate.
    http://www.militaryspeakers.co.uk/speakers/hamish-de-bretton-gordon-obe.aspx

    He said the project to remove chemical weapons had virtually failed. Why is that? I thought that the OPCW had been tasked with the work.
    http://www.opcw.org/special-sections/the-opcw-and-syria/

    0655
    America’s director of intelligence James Clapper has told a Senate committee that Syria may be able to produce biological weapons. Hamish De Bretton Gordon, former commanding officer of the UK’s Joint Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Regiment, discusses.

  46. This will get them spitting feathers.

    ‘Edward Snowden has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize

    Edward Snowden spent the last year revealing some of the government’s most tightly held secrets, kicking off a massive debate about the proper role of America’s intelligence services. Now, a pair of Norwegian politicians have nominated the NSA leaker for a Nobel Peace Prize.

    In their nomination letter, Baard Vegar Solhjell and Snorre Valen, who hail from the Socialist Left party, said Snowden’s revelations “contributed to a more stable and peaceful world order.”‘

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/29/edward-snowden-has-been-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/

  47. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    30 Jan, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Nevermind:
    ‘UEA is surrounded by three massive schools and twice daily the whole area is in deep traffic doodoo, UEA needs more than buses and cycles, its car park is bursting with cars from staff and students.
    UEA’s recycling policy is quaint and outsourced when this money should be returned and aid students. The student union is run like a business now and it has some 6 million profits at anyone time, not that this has much improved their Waterfront venue, only the student bars on campus get regular makeovers to the tune of hundreds of thousands…’ (continues)

    All sadly true. Also true to say that for anyone outside the (faceless) management cabal, they would indeed ‘do different’. Unfortunately UEA is run by accountants, for accountants. Like the rest of this increasingly unpleasant country.

  48. Only us mamluks have the strength to clear Gods good earth of this wayward permutation. Ask Izzy Demski !

  49. Google and YouTube Suppress Russian Documentary on False Flag Terrorism

    A study by Elizabeth Woodworth, a former manager of library services for the British Columbia Ministry of Health, suggests that the Google and YouTube websites, two of the world’s most dominant internet portals, worked to bury the Russia Today (RT) network’s Truthseeker series episode examining the history of “false flag” terrorism, and the relationship between the events of September 11, 2001 and “Operation Gladio.”

    Operation Gladio was a covert program backed by Western intelligence agencies from the late 1960s thru the early 1980s. During this time civilians in several European nations were terrorized in a series of deadly shootings and bombings ostensibly blamed on left wing political organizations. The state-sponsored terror was intended to influence public opinion toward such groups.

    With its September 8, 2013 debut on YouTube, RT’s Truthseeker episode notched 131,000 views in three days. Yet as the anniversary of 9/11 approached, YouTube curiously pulled the video from its search results, despite other popular channels like the MOXNEWS reposting it. “In both the RT and MOXNEWS cases,” Woodworth observes, “the viewer statistics on YouTube suddenly flat-lined on the morning of September 11 — like a heart monitor when a patient dies. The YouTube search engine had suddenly failed to locate these videos … The MOXNET version was also decoupled from the YouTube search engine for a period of time after September 11, but has since been restored to normal indexing.”

    Source: Elizabeth Woodworth, “Search Engine Manipulation. Google and YouTube Suppress Controversial 9/11 Truth?” Global Research, October 5, 2013, http://www.globalresearch.ca/search-engine-manipulation-google-and-youtube-suppress-911-truth/5352982.

    Student Researcher: Zack Kelberman (Florida Atlantic University)
    Faculty Evaluator: James F. Tracy (Florida Atlantic University)
    http://www.projectcensored.org/google-youtube-suppress-russian-documentary-false-flag-terrorism/

  50. Oona King (Baroness King of Bow)

    Voted very strongly for a wholly elected House of Lords

    What a hypocrite

  51. Our resident pain in the backside muttered something like

    “Failing, once again, to make the top spot on a page, habby is trying to make out that the OBN and establishment are innocent, that its all down to the proletariat/unions who fleeced poor manufacturing until it was uncompetitive.”

    Another often perpetuated lie to cover up the incompetence and viral stupidity of the stiff upper lips on boards of manufacturing companies. It was the greed of shareholders that forever pulled money out of companies, rather than to invest 10% of profits in R&D, take take take and never reinvest and those useless lackey CEO’s could do nothing accept carp and spar with the unions. The result was that a massively undertooled and decrapid manufacturing, car/motorcycle/ship building, your choice, lost market shares to shoddy workmanship that could not iron out intolerances, tried to continue with old machines (Triumph used machinery from 1889 to drill out their cylinder bore’s until 1976)to make customers happy with badly fitting parts, cars were bonnets and boots didn’t close due to incomp[etence of management.

    Customers began to realise that Japanese cars and bikes worked, that they started in the morning and would not leave oil on the pavement. They choose foreign cars/bikes/computers/ because they worked and all the ‘made in Britain’ could not stop the rot.

    The OBN and its shareholders, short termist banks demanding their shareholders annuities in time, all the time and with annual increases, regardless of strikes or bad sales figures, all this combined has left manufacturing to flee abroad, thanks to the fortuiutous global trade rounds negotiate, they could carry on over there with their futile agenda.

    Britain never realised that being on top meant investing in new processes and methods of manufacturing, instead they went to war with the unions rather than inviting them on to the board and make it work for all.

    The British establishment and the unions, I do not absolve them, in their insane self destruction have been pissing manufacturing into the wind, dear offender Habbakuk, go read up about the history of the British motorcycling/car industry.

  52. Have nothing to do with Johansson. She had a ‘difference of opinion’ with Oxfam and resigned. Goldring of Oxfam should have acted much earlier and dumped her.

    She should now do the right thing and dump Messrs Cohen and Birnbaum of Sodastream based at Airport City in Israel but she will not, as she is obviously a Zionist.

    The Herald Scotland piece casts some doubt on the ownership of the land on which Sodastream is based at the settlement – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'ale_Adumim. The land was stolen from the Palestinians in the Six Day War and should be returned.

    The shareholders in Airport City where the Sodastream HQ is based are –
    •Bank Leumi Investment Company Ltd. – a subsidiary of the leading bank in Israel
    •The JOEL Group – Jerusalem Oil Exploration Ltd. – a group of public investment companies (traded on the Tel Aviv and the New York stock markets) focused on energy and real estate
    •Parol Investments and Trade 1999 Ltd. – a private company, owned by Adv. Shraga Biran and Adv. Gideon Hatuka, who are among the leading real estate experts in Israel

    Airport City Ltd. is a public company, traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. It is counted among the 100 largest companies in Israel. Airport City Ltd. is the entrepreneur, the designer, the developer and the owner of the successful “Airport City” industrial park.
    http://www.airport-city.co.il/en/location.php
    ~~~
    It is now also up to Mr Andy Street and his ‘partners’ in John Lewis to stop stocking Sodastream products and also Caterpillar model toys. Caterpillar machines are used to demolish Palestinian homes for settlement construction. His oppo at Waitrose, part of John Lewis, should also stop stocking produce like avocados and Medjool dates, labelled as Israeli, but grown on stolen Palestinian land. The same goes for the CoOp, Tesco, Morrisons, Sainsbury’s, Lidl and the rest of them. They are collaborators in the Zionist project known as Israel.

  53. Someone
    29 Jan, 2014 – 4:58 pm

    “email from Prof. Dr. Ebrahim Afsah Faculty of Law University of Copenhagen to Corsera students”

    Yes very interesting Someone.

    “I have thus been informed that my students in Cuba, Syria, Sudan and my homeland will no longer be able to access this course.”

    As all the courses from Coursera are online the Prof’s email exposes the lie of western propaganda that Cubans have little or no access to the internet.

  54. Doug Yes I noticed that about King too. She vacillates continuously. The other day I went back to her old speeches in the ‘House’ on TheyWorkForYou. At one moment she is full of praise for GW Bush and sees him as the saviour of the Western world and then later she is full of criticism. Typical of that lot of BLiar babes who came in in 1997. Mayday 1997 was a black day for this country and the world.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/peer/10341/baroness_king_of_bow

  55. Some evil person calling himself Abel Reuben has just commented on this blog trying to get predominantly sick and unemployed people into debt from which they might never recover. Purporting to help people on benefits with a benefit loan the company he represents charges 1737% APR. How low can anyone sink?

    My advice if you are in debt it to go to Citizens’ Advice (I know a lot of these have been deliberately closed from lack of funding from this despicable government. Speak to friends.

    This Abel Reuben falls below my contempt.

  56. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Jan, 2014 - 12:10 pm

    BREAKING NEWS

    Nutenyahoo To Save Internet.

    “The biggest challenge we face with the cyber world is protecting the privacy and security of the public. There could be a serious breach….” he said.

    http://rt.com/news/israel-netanyahu-un-internet-260/

    There’s something in the comment section for every taste. Dad, take a look at what anti-semitic comments really look like. I look forward to seeing you putting them right.

    I can’t make up my mind whether the antisemites or the antimuslimites are getting the upper hand there. It makes me realize what a haven of sanity Craig Murray’s comments section is, even with Dad aboard! Thanks to All.

    Re Mary’s 8 59am post regarding the suppression of the Russian False Flag documentary,

    ”In both the RT and MOXNEWS cases,” Woodworth observes, “the viewer statistics on YouTube suddenly flat-lined on the morning of September 11 — like a heart monitor when a patient dies….”

    Am I the only one who suspects US intelligence made offers that Jaques Clouseau, the Wily Coyote, Mr Bean and other geniuses of the big screen just couldn’t resist? Is this the result?

  57. Stick your usured gangster vulture loans to the most vulnerable so far up where the sun don’t shine Abel Reuben.

    Scum.

  58. You’re flaming a bot, Jives

  59. A Node.

    That’s right and i don’t regret it for a second.

  60. Habbabkuk, 28 Jan 3:41 pm

    “Could a blog like Craig Murray’s operate freely in Russia, China, Iran, Syria or Cuba?

    Could a blog like Craig Murray’s operate freely on the United States?”

    Actually, Craig Murray’s blog couldn’t operate freely in the UK, and is thus now hosted in the Netherlands:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/21/digitalmedia.politicsandthemedia

  61. doug scorgie

    30 Jan, 2014 - 1:03 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    29 Jan, 2014 – 5:10 pm

    “If you would care to look back more carefully, I think you’ll find that Mary has slagged off Scarlett Johansson and Susan Sarandon. That makes two actresses, I believe.”

    I must have missed that one.

    But:
    Susan Sarandon is a progressive left-liberal anti-war activist (as well as an actress). Strange that you support her.

  62. The British Red Cross, whose work in general I support, has just asked me for an extra donation in order to help with the deteriorating refugee situation in Syria.

    How to react? Seeing that our own governmenr is one of the leading players in the current destabilisation of Syria, I thought that I would look up the leading Lights in the BRC to see what connections they may have with our present administration.

    Has anyone already done this?

  63. Herbie

    I think you misunderstand the meaning of e.g. – Res Dis only provided an example.

    Just in case you need another perhaps you should consider the following:

    @Guano

    “Aangirfan has recently exposed the fact that the majority of the bankers and directors of the East India company were Jewish, same as the majority of the bankers and owners of the Slave Trade from Africa were Jewish, same as most of the bankers and directors of world banking today, the same group of people who shelter inside the safety of the leafy suburbs of the UK and get the blame for the genocides and barbarities they orchestrate passed onto the English nation, as is happening at this present time in Syria.”

    And while considering you might wish to note what Craig said in response, which suggests that he has a similar view of Guano

    “That is completely untrue, Guano. A tiny percentage of East India company directors were Jewish, and a tiny percentage of African slave owners. There are more scots than Jewish international bank directors.
    Fuck off with the racist nonsense.”

    If only some of the Eminences were as robust with racist nonsense as Craig!

  64. John Goss

    This loan spam bot is happy. Normally if they’re angry they say: very interesting blog I must give URL my friends etc

    The blogging team have swallowed Assad’s ploy that he is the legitimate authority in Syria.

    The strategy of Al Qaida and USUKIS is to make the dictators angry, to make them commit crimes against their people, to get the West to take them out and leave stooges and Qaida warlords to wreck and disable the country.

    In this case Russia has been summoned by USUKIS to annoy Qaida as well, to make them angry too and take it out on the Syrian people. The end plan is for Israel to receive UK Aid to totally control and “stabilise” Syria (as in Gaza).

    Anybody who still believes in the bogey of Russia as an enemy needs to read the advertising campaign: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_085121

    Russia = Assad = Al Qaida = USUKIS =Saudi = global new order v. the people

  65. Link not available sorry: Catch it, bin it, kill it.

    The trolls and the media want you to choose between villains while in reality all the villains are working together against truth and Islam.

  66. Obergruppenführer Theresa May is putting through her legislation to strip passports off those she calls ‘dangerous’. What will she do with the people she has created stateless?

    Agent Cameron is giving in to the Tory partei right wingers.

    PM ‘agrees with immigration rebels’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25953053

  67. Extremely stupid old man. I don’t read beyond the title for the same reason I don’t have a TV. There is enough confusion in the world without TV or Trolls

  68. doug scorgie

    30 Jan, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    29 Jan, 2014 – 8:30 pm

    Habbabkuk says (pissed again by the look of his spelling):

    “…what is porbably [sic] mosy [sic] objectionable is the sheer cowardice of those posters who daren’t come out with their prejudices openly…”

    However:
    Habbabkuk said to me a long time back (he will no doubt have it recorded) that he was not a Zionist.

    Resident Dissident said on 20 Jan, 2014 – 10:46 pm when I suggested he was a Jewish Zionist:

    “I am not Jewish”

    Even though he previously wrote at 10:36am 19 Jan:

    “Perhaps if there had been a few more of us around in Germany in the 1930s and 40s then the holocaust may not have happened.”

    However he has not denied being a Zionist.

    Question: are there any Zionist posters on this blog willing to say so and justify their support for Israeli expansionism and the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state?

    To remind you what HB said:
    “…the sheer cowardice of those posters who daren’t come out with their prejudices openly…”

  69. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    30 Jan, 2014 - 2:15 pm

    ‘There are more scots (sic) than Jewish international bank directors.’

    Possibly. But major international finance houses in general?

    http://www.goldmansachs.com/who-we-are/leadership/management-committee/index.html

    Not exactly hooching with Scots.

    (2% or so of Americans are Jewish)

  70. “The blogging team have swallowed Assad’s ploy that he is the legitimate authority in Syria.”

    That’s what it say on Wikipedia: “President Bashar al-Assad”.

    That’s what it says in the CIA factbook: “chief of state: President Bashar al-ASAD”

    Looks like it’s you that got it wrong.

  71. Mary

    The statement of the century: “What will she do with the people she has created stateless?”

    Earlier they tried to get food to the people Assad was bombing while living amongst the Qaida beheaders.
    Nobody should be murdered hungry by either ‘side’.

  72. Fred

    Please don’t miaow all day outside. Assad is the illegitimate head of state of Syria. Use the cat flap please next time.

  73. Guano at 1.58 pm

    Yes I know. But what is particularly distasteful is people like Able Reuben and Abourezk James are selling people problems. All these so-called short-term loan-sharks are usurers preying on the weak and vulnerable as though they do not have enough problems. That is why I find them so contemptible. I trust the vast majority who contribute to Craig Murray’s blog are bright enough to avoid these slime-balls.

  74. Cameron is giving evidence to the National Security Committee live now. Chair Margaret Becket.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/21006886

  75. Membership includes several Friends of Israel.

    The members of the Committee were appointed on 16 May 2013

    Margaret Beckett MP (Chair) Labour
    Mr James Arbuthnot MP Conservative
    Mr Adrian Bailey MP Labour/Co-operative
    Sir Alan Beith MP Liberal Democrat
    Sir Malcolm Bruce MP Liberal Democrat
    Lord Clark of Windermere Labour
    Lord Fellowes Crossbench
    Fabian Hamilton MP Labour
    Lord Harris of Haringey Labour
    Lord Lee of Trafford Liberal Democrat
    Lord Levene of Portsoken Crossbench
    Paul Murphy MP Labour
    Baroness Neville-Jones Conservative
    Sir Richard Ottaway MP Conservative
    Mark Pritchard MP Conservative
    Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale Labour
    Sir Malcolm Rifkind MP Conservative
    Lord Sterling of Plaistow Conservative
    Baroness Taylor of Bolton Labour
    Keith Vaz MP Labour
    Lord Waldegrave of North Hill Conservative
    Mr Tim Yeo MP

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/national-security-strategy/membership/

  76. The No camp getting their argument across eloquently

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

  77. @Guano

    The art of debate is not to ignore all facts and declare what you want to believe true calling all who do not agree with you names.

    I posted authoritative references to back what I said, either offer evidence to back your case or be man enough to admit you got it wrong.

  78. Local government is in a mess.

    The poor people who live on the Somerset levels, apart from having to sustain life for themselves, their families and their animals in water several feet deep, have this nonsense going on in their county council. Who is in charge and who is carrying the can?

    £20,000 wage for ‘out of office’ Somerset County Council chief executive
    http://www.centralsomersetgazette.co.uk/20-000-wage-office-Somerset-County-Council-chief/story-20435529-detail/story.html

    Similar events to that above have taken place in two Surrey borough councils that I have heard about and Nevermind tells us about some of the nonsense that happens in Norfolk CC.

    What a shambles. What about it Pickles?

  79. “Actually, Craig Murray’s blog couldn’t operate freely in the UK, and is thus now hosted in the Netherlands: ”

    Which actually wouldn’t save him from perverse British libel laws, the threat of which led to one comment having to be removed. This is a world away from the sort of state censorship practiced in some of the other countries mentioned.

  80. Miaow, Miaow Miaow, Miaow
    Why don’t you go and catch a mouse. I fed you yesterday

  81. Well said Sandy about the Red Cross.

    I have looked at them previously but see that Bernstein of FA fame is now the chair.
    http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/Governance-and-annual-reports/Our-governance/Our-chairman-and-chief-executive

    http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/Governance-and-annual-reports/Our-governance/Our-trustees

    They all come through the same revolving doors as in all large NGOs like WWF and in quangos.

    The situation in the American version is little different. Bush appointed the chairwoman http://www.redcross.org/bonnie-mcelveen-hunter which indicates that the American Red Cross is seen as an arm of the federal state. The president is another corporate person from the big business world, http://www.redcross.org/gail-j-mcgovern .

    Some years back on the occasion of Israel’s 60th ‘birthday’, I watched a ceremony when Peres presented an award to the Chair of the American Red Cross. I cannot find any link on the internet now. From memory it was being given for something to do with Israel’s emergency ambulance service in which the American Red Cross had been involved.

    We now have been sent appeals to circulate “Challenges to International Humanitarian Law:Israel’s Occupation Policy” by Peter Maurer, president of the International Committee of the Red Cross. Rot. The people of Gaza have little time for the Red Cross knowing of its associations. Maurer’s words are vacuous, clichéd and complacent. Wait for the Zionist solution and do not mention the involvement of the Yanks or the other NATO countries. There is a quote about ‘the right to life’. Of course we all have ‘a right to life’ and that includes the Palestinians. Do not bloody well debate it.

  82. @Kempe 30 Jan, 2014 – 5:30 pm

    “Which actually wouldn’t save him from perverse British libel laws, the threat of which led to one comment having to be removed. This is a world away from the sort of state censorship practiced in some of the other countries mentioned.”

    Two of the countries mentioned were China and Iran. You must have missed this comment from earlier in the thread which completes refutes your claim. Here it is again:
    .
    .

    From the latest highly recommended Medialens email alert:

    “The Russian-born filmmaker Andre Vltchek, who has travelled the world extensively in making his documentaries, relates his experience of appearing in the media in different countries. He observes that when he speaks in China, he does so uncensored:

    ‘I was on CCTV – their National TV – and for half an hour I was talking about very sensitive issues. And I felt much freer in Beijing than when the BBC interviews me, because the BBC doesn’t even let me speak, without demanding a full account of what exactly I am intending to say.’ (Noam Chomsky and Andre Vltchek, On Western Terrorism: From Hiroshima to Drone Warfare, Pluto Press, London, 2013, p. 31)

    Vltchek continued:

    ‘people in the West are so used to thinking that we are so democratic in terms of the way our media is run and covers the stories. Even if we know it’s not the case, we still, subconsciously, expect that it’s still somehow better than in other places and it is actually shocking when we realize that a place like China or Turkey or Iran would run more unedited or uncensored pieces than our own mainstream media outlets. Let me put it this way: Chinese television and newspapers are much more critical of their economic and political system than our television stations or newspapers are of ours. Imagine ABC, CBS, or NBC [major US television stations] coming on air and beginning to question the basics of capitalism or the Western parliamentary system.’ (Ibid., p. 32)”

    Read it all here:
    http://medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=753:propaganda-the-dominant-grand-narrative-of-our-time&catid=52:alerts-2014&Itemid=245

  83. Just saw this Sandy when I was looking to see what Goldring of Oxfam is paid.

    However, The Daily Telegraph can disclose that Sir Nick Young, the chief executive of the British Red Cross, saw his pay jump by 12 per cent to £184,000 since 2010, despite a one per cent fall in the charity’s donations and a three per cent fall in revenues.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10224104/30-charity-chiefs-paid-more-than-100000.html

    PS Goldring’s predecessor who left last Spring got £119,560.

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    From Mary

    “Please don’t feed the trolls. As much as I really appreciate people coming to my defence, it only provides the troupe with a platform to hurl more of their stuff at me…….” They will not succeed however.
    ________________

    The aim is not to hurl anything at you or to drive you off this board : it is merely to introduce a little measure, proportion and sanity into your discourse and, whenever necessary, to correct your frequent misrepresentations, half-truths and snide little sneers.

    I think Jon once had you summed up, actually, when he advised me to simply pass by your screeds without comment because if I criticised them, you would feel obliged, in reaction, to post even more of the same stuff. That’s probably bang on – unable to admit that you have erred/transgressed, you try to show the readership that you won’t be intimidated (as you see it) by redoubling your “efforts”. More grist to our mill, I fear….

  85. Thanks, Mary, for the Red Cross info. I too have done some rummaging around and, in addition to the information given by Mary, I find that they have a “Chef de cabinet” one Caroline Leighton, whose CV includes a spell (unspecified) with Common Purpose.

    I think that I will ignore their specific request for donations re Syria. At this stage I don’t feel that I have enough to challenge them on it but I think that I need to think carefully about my future financial support for them.

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:30 pm

    “This will get them spitting feathers.

    ‘Edward Snowden has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize”
    __________________________

    The poster of the above obviously has no idea of how the Nobel award process works. Every year there are dozens, if not hundreds, of nominations for the Nobel peace prize. Being nominated is of course necessary in order to win it, but otherwise it doesn’t mean squit.

    Sorry to disappoint, bit happy to inform and correct misleading “info”!

  87. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:39 pm

    Clark

    “Actually, Craig Murray’s blog couldn’t operate freely in the UK, and is thus now hosted in the Netherlands:3
    __________________

    Can you supply a little more info on why it “couldn’t operate freely” in the UK?

    Independently of the above, has any reader or poster received a visit from the police, whether uniformed or secret, for having read or posted? Been warned off? Been inconvenienced in any way? Sacked, perhaps? Sent to prison or a labour camp? Or have the UK authorities sought to make Craig’s blog unavailable in any way?

    No, I thought not. So now ask yourself whether you can say the same about any of the countries I mentioned (Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, etc etc)

    __________________________

    “Life is getting better, life is getting merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1932)

  88. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    Mr Scourgie

    “I must have missed that one.”
    ____________________

    By no means the only thing you’ve missed. And what you don’t miss, you lack. Sorry to have to say so.

  89. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:45 pm

    Mr Scourgie (n° 2)

    “Susan Sarandon is a progressive left-liberal anti-war activist (as well as an actress). Strange that you support her. ”
    ___________________

    But even stranger that Mary should have had a go at her, wouldn’t you say?

  90. “Birmingham University student protest leads to 14 arrests”

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jan/30/birmingham-university-student-protest-arrests

    “Red-shirts ‘ready to resist’ Thai army coup, set up capital in Chiang Mai”

    http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1416916/red-shirts-ready-resist-thai-army-coup-set-capital-chiang-mai

    “Warning bells ring over British current account deficit”

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/business/2014-01/30/c_133086013.htm

    “China’s manufacturing PMI falls to 6-month low”

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-01/30/c_133085572.htm

  91. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:55 pm

    I really don’t know which of them I love more : obsessive Mary, sat in front of her laptop all day or Mr Scourgie with his foolish, pseudo-rational, pseudo-erudite quibblings (cf post at 14h12).

  92. Node:- Vitchek has written widely about what he sees as an anti-China agenda in the west. Whether he’s right or wrong it’s clearly what the Chinese want to hear so of course they’d be more than pleased to let him have free reign on the telly for an hour or two. Sadly the attitude to anyone with contrary opinions to the Chinese state isn’t quite as benign:-

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/china/report-2012

    As an attempt to completely refute what I (and many others) have said you’ll have to do better than one person with an agenda agreeable to the ruling elite.

  93. A correction. My ‘go’ at Susan Sarandon was purely a sentence to say that she attended a store opening for the Israeli Lev Leviev who is an Israeli blood diamond importer and retailer. Got it? Understand?

    Two Palestinian villages ask Susan Sarandon to repudiate Leviev
    Mohammed Khatib and Sharif Omar
    6 January 2008 http://electronicintifada.net/content/two-palestinian-villages-ask-susan-sarandon-repudiate-leviev/7281

    In view of her left leaning activism, why is so blind to the Palestinians’ situation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Sarandon#Activism

    At least she is not so greedy for commercial sponsorships like Johansson.

    Endorsements

    Johansson has appeared in advertising campaigns for Calvin Klein, L’Oréal and Louis Vuitton,[124] and has been the face of Spanish brand Mango since 2009.[125] After appearing at the Metropolitan Museum of Art’s Costume Institute Gala with Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana, Johansson was announced as the face of the new Dolce & Gabbana make-up collection in early 2009.[124] She made a personal appearance at the London store, Selfridges, on July 31, 2009, to help launch and promote the line.[126] Johansson was also the first Hollywood celebrity to become an ambassador for a Champagne House, after she became the spokesperson for Moët & Chandon and appeared in various advertisements and events for the brand.[127] In January 2014, the Sodastream home-carbonation system announced Johannson as its first brand ambassador.

  94. BrianFujisan

    30 Jan, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Someone @ 8;pm 29th

    Re “Gaging” Order

    Yesterday ( Tuesday 28th Jan ) the government’s gagging law was passed by the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats – marking yet another nail in the coffin for freedom of speech in Britain.

    And as if to celebrate the occasion, three parody accounts that were critical of coalition policies closed down on Twitter – at least one after complaints were made from government officials.

    @UKJCP – a satirical account parodying the DWP, @IDS_MP – a parody account of Iain Duncan Smith and @Skip_Licker – another satirical account all closed yesterday.

    “it is not satire”-( Gov.Com). So now we’ve not just got government departments deciding what forms of public criticism are acceptable, but also deciding for us what exactly is humorous and what isn’t.

    “This country’s getting more and more like China every day.”

    http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/twitter-parody-accounts-critical-of-government-closed-down-on-same-day-gagging-law-passes/

  95. Today I have painted the four walls of my sitting room, walked the dog, cleaned the car, did a bit of shopping, phoned a couple of friends, cooked supper, washed up and have just sat down.

    The troll must stop this pathetic trolling.

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 7:39 pm

    “Today I have painted the four walls of my sitting room, walked the dog, cleaned the car, did a bit of shopping, phoned a couple of friends, cooked supper, washed up and have just sat down.”
    _________________

    Not to mention posting 14 times today so far.

    You are either Wonderwoman or then there’s two of you (perish the thought).

  97. John Pilger on the distortions of Hollywood. He refers to the turkey wherein Cumberbatch played Julian Assange.

    He ends his piece with this about Vaz. So funny.

    ‘For those outside Britain, the name Keith Vaz is not associated with celebrity. And yet this Labour Party politician has had a long and distinguished career of self-promotion, while slipping serenely away from scandals and near-scandals, a parliamentary inquiry and a suspension, having acquired the soubriquet Keith Vaseline. In 2009, he was revealed to have claimed 75,500 pounds in expenses for an apartment in Westminster despite having a family home just 12 miles from parliament.

    Last year, Vaz’s parliamentary home affairs committee summoned Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger to Parliament to discuss the leaks of Edward Snowden. Vaz’s opening question to Rusbridger was: “Do you love this country?”

    Once again, Vaz was an instant celebrity, though, once again, not the one he longed to be. He was compared with the infamous Senator Joe McCarthy. Still, the sheer stamina of his endeavours proves that Keith Vaseline is no flash in the pan; and is the Oscar Celebrity of the Year! Congratulations Keith, and commiserations, Benedict; you were only just behind.’

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/its-the-other-oscars-and-yet-again-the-winner-slips-away

  98. There’s one other comment in moderation too!

    Only the one of me btw!

  99. “US readying sanctions against Ukraine, aides say”

    http://www.france24.com/en/20140130-usa-sanctions-ukraine-yanukovich-protests/

    “Imperial Conquest: America’s “Long War” against Humanity”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/imperial-conquest-americas-long-war-against-humanity/5364215

  100. Kempe

    You question Vitchek’s partiality but don’t question Amnesty International’s.
    Amnesty International is reticent about its funding. It says that “it does not accept donations from governments or governmental organisations,” yet Wikipedia says “However, AI did receive grants from the UK Department for International Development, the European Commission, the United States State Department and other governments”. Amnesty International says it “accepts support from businesses that have been carefully vetted” but will not name them.
    In the absence of clarification from A.I. it seems likely its funding is entirely from the West. Can we therefore trust its impartiality when comparing East and West?

    My original comment was headed “Regarding freedom of expression …. the west vs the rest”
    In that vein, would you care to justify why Iran’s Press TV is banned in the UK while the BBC is not banned in Iran?

  101. “In that vein, would you care to justify why Iran’s Press TV is banned in the UK while the BBC is not banned in Iran?”

    Actually Press TV isn’t banned in the UK, they lost their license because they refused to comply with Ofcom rules. All satellite TV is banned in Iran.

  102. Fred

    Britain bans Iran’s Press TV from airwaves
    Britain took a key communications arm of the Iranian state off the airwaves on Friday when Press TV, a satellite news channel, lost its broadcasting licence.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9028435/Britain-bans-Irans-Press-TV-from-airwaves.html

  103. Habbabkuk and Kempe:

    Habbabkuk, I’ll post my link again; most of the answer to your question is there. But briefly, under UK libel law the publisher, as well as the author, can be threatened with legal action.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/21/digitalmedia.politicsandthemedia

    Kempe, this blog was re-hosted in the Netherlands following Usmanov’s threats, the article Usmanov objected was re-published immediately and has never been taken down, so Dutch hosting does protect this blog.

    Usmanov could still sue Craig, but he never did because Craig’s allegations are true and Usmanov would lose.

  104. Mary, 8:14 am:

    “Interesting that the link to this video of Craig speaking at the massive protest on Saturday 10 January 2009, entitled ‘Former British Ambassador Craig Murray Stop Gaza Massacre protest..’ doesn’t work.”

    The video is still there, and I just successfully downloaded it using youtube-dl. For some reason the player fails. I’ll try to find somewhere to host the vid; I can’t put it on my web-space because downloads of it will exceed my bandwidth allowance.

  105. Fred is splitting hairs. Ofcom is the tool the British Government used to ban Press TV. The grounds were spurious. The Telegraph recognised this in its headline “Britain bans Iran’s Press TV from airwaves.”
    Here’s the Guardian saying the same thing:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/24/suppressing-press-tv-ofcom-licence

    And BTW, the Guardian piece re-inforces my point about Iran’s attitude to censorship as opposed to Britain’s. The author of the piece is “a proud Zionist” who has made several appearances on Press TV. In his own words:

    “My Zionist affiliation and sympathies are of course very well known to Press TV. But I have never been censored, nor has the company ever made the slightest attempt to get me to modify a particular view.”

    So, while you’re answering my last question, Kempe, perhaps you’ll include some examples of pro-Iranian hardliners being given free rein to say anything they like on the BBC.

  106. “Actually Press TV isn’t banned in the UK, they lost their license because they refused to comply with Ofcom rules. All satellite TV is banned in Iran.”

    That’s a true gem, Fred. Well done.

  107. Thanks for that Clark. Do you think the fact that it would not play was due to a technical blip or has there been interference, so to speak? ;)

  108. @A Node

    Did you actually read the article you posted a link to? Like the bit about Press TV refusing to transfer editorial control to the UK branch of the company which holds the license? Or that they still haven’t paid fines for breaking Ofcom rules?

    No I am not splitting hairs, I’m telling it how it is.

    Satellite TV is still banned in Iran.

    I have a hard enough time telling it how it is to people who try to demonise Iran without people trying to make them saints. They have many good qualities particularly their lack of aggression where they beat Britain hands down but when it comes to censorship they still have a lot of ground to make up.

  109. Can Italy now extradite Amanda Knox?

    A fresh appeal hearing in Italy reinstates the guilty verdicts on Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.

    Craig on the original trial

    Meredith Kercher Case
    by craig on Oct 6th 2011 in Uncategorized

    To cut through the enormous wave of rubbish that swept the net for 48 hours about Amanda Knox, I wanted to publish the text of the statement she made to police trying to frame Patrick Lumumba. It is evidence of how appalling the media coverage is that I can’t track down through the gush this […]

    The White Charger Stays In The Stable
    by craig on Dec 7th 2009 in Life

    As a campaigner for liberty, and a sucker for damsels in distress, I was looking to work up a piece in defence of Amanda Knox. Incarceration is a horrible thing. We lock up far, far too many people in the UK. Punishment is necessary in society, but there are innumerable other forms of punishment possible […]

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=amanda+knox

  110. BLiar again.

    Interesting comments in the thread commencing

    ‘Blair backs Egypt’s military leaders’
    Posted by The Editors on January 30, 2014, 1:02 pm

    ‘Therefore, my conclusion is, we should support those people in the region who want the open-minded society and the modern economy. That means we support the government here in Egypt.

    ‘This is what I say to my colleagues in the West: the fact is, the Muslim Brotherhood tried to take the country away from its basic values of hope and progress. The army have intervened, at the will of the people, but in order to take the country to the next stage of its development, which should be democratic, we should be supporting the new government in doing that.’

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/01/30/blair-backs-egypts-military-leaders/

    Thus flatly contradicting everything he said on Iraq, Libya, Syria etc…

    ~~~~

    Apparently not so long ago he promoted Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood as ‘a force for good’. Doesn’t he know that he is a laughing stock nowadays and nobody gives a stuff about what he thinks and says.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1391086920.html

  111. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 10:23 pm

    “A correction. My ‘go’ at Susan Sarandon was purely a sentence to say that she attended a store opening for the Israeli Lev Leviev who is an Israeli blood diamond importer and retailer. Got it? Understand?”
    ___________________

    Does having a “go” at someone have to be in several sentences, or can one sentence do the trick?

    Was your single sentence purely informatory or was it intended to convey disapproval, or even approval?

  112. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 10:28 pm

    Re BLiar

    “Apparently not so long ago he promoted Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood as ‘a force for good’. Doesn’t he know that he is a laughing stock nowadays and nobody gives a stuff about what he thinks and says.”
    _______________

    Well, I’d certainly second that. My view is that he’s a bit like a performing seal, just popping up out of the water and spouting jets of words at regular intervals in order to justify the large emoluments he rakes in from various sources including the ludicrous “Quartet”.

  113. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 10:32 pm

    He’s a busted flush.

    But attention : a packet of top EU posts will be delivered this year, after the EP elections. Among them, President of the European Council, to replace H van Rompuy….

    Don’t forget – you read it here first!

  114. Fred,
    So you think that Press TV wanted to be banned in Britain?

  115. With you on this, habby.

    I’m sure Blairio is the fallguy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_Writer_%28film%29

    But not sure why you’re agin him now.

    What’s he done wrong?

  116. @ doug scorgie,

    As my uncles used to say, “When you go shark fishin’, you don’t break bread over the waters, you bring bloody bait.’

    I always mention the holocaust to bring about a watershed and see who’s who. It’s 100% fireproof [no pun intended] and never fails.

    Oh, and libel is my linesman.

  117. Mary, 10:02 pm: I don’t know, but it’s probably just a fault. The video is still there and youtube-dl downloaded it, so the video presumably can be watched on some devices. I’ll try telling YouTube and see if they fix it.

    Anyone got a YouTube account for uploading? E-mail me and I’ll put the vid somewhere you can snaffle it.

  118. First the Dutch….Now Norway –

    Norway pension fund bans Israeli occupation-profiteers after lies exposed

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/norway-pension-fund-bans-israeli-occupation-profiteers-after-lies-exposed

  119. “So you think that Press TV wanted to be banned in Britain?

    I know they were offered the option of not having their license revoked and didn’t take it.

    Do you think someone caught drink driving wants to have their license revoked?

  120. I can’t find anywhere to report a non-working video at YouTube. Probably the easiest thing would be just to upload it again.

  121. “Anyone got a YouTube account for uploading? E-mail me and I’ll put the vid somewhere you can snaffle it.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjFinAM_Tns&feature=youtu.be

  122. Fred, brilliant. Thanks.

  123. OK, Fred, my arguments with you never go anywhere. However, maybe this time ……

    The BBC pays up to £900,000/hour for drama (http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/tv/how-we-work/business-requirements/tariff-ranges.shtml). The Press TV fine was £100,000, a trivial amount in terms of the running costs of a TV company. Conclusion : It is not plausible that they couldn’t afford to pay it.

    “On 3 April 2012, Munich-based media regulator BLM announced it was removing Press TV from the SES Astra satellite as they did not have a licence to broadcast in Europe. However, the channel’s legal team submitted documents to the court that proved Press TV could broadcast under German law. An administrative court in Germany accepted Press TV’s argument and the legal procedures began. Munich’s Administrative Court announced on Friday 15 June that the ban was illegal.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRESS_TV)
    On that occasion they went to the courts to fight a politically motivated illegal ban. Conclusion: It doesn’t seem likely that they wanted to be banned

    OFCOM’s given justification for removing the licence is that it was not convinced that Press TV’s editorial control was based in Britain. Press TV’s circumstances were no different from CNN International, Bloomberg and Al Jazeera, all of which ultimately answer, editorially, to bosses in Atlanta, New York and Doha. These TV companies have not had their licenses revoked. Conclusion : the given explanation is spurious

    We know that the British government wanted to ban Press TV from a wikileak of a secret cable from Jaime (sic) Turner, “Deputy Head of Multi-lateral affairs at the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office”. (http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/20/britain-bans-press-tv/)

    “Her Majesty’s Government is looking at other ways to address the issue. Her Majesty’s Government is exploring ways to limit the operations of the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting’s PRESS TV service..However, UK law sets a very high standard for denying licenses to broadcasters. Licenses can only be denied in cases where national security is threatened, or if granting a license would be contrary to Britain’s obligations under international law. Currently, neither of these standards can be met with respect to PRESS TV, but if further sanctions are imposed on Iran in the coming months, a case may be able to be made on the second criterion.
    In the immediate term, Her Majesty’s Government plans to lobby the French government to approach Eutelsat and press it to drop Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting’s broadcasts from the Hotbird satellite. Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting broadcasts several channels from the satellite, both domestically (even most terrestrial TV channels in Iran are dependent on a satellite and repeaters) and internationally, so it is an important source of income for Eutelsat. While it would be unlikely for the company to agree to drop the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting broadcasts spontaneously, Turner believes it would be susceptible to an approach by the French government because of the cover it would gain from complying with an official government request. Her Majesty’s Government would appreciate U.S. Government engagement with the government of France on this issue.

    Conclusion : the British government had a motive

    The boss of OFCOM at the time was Ed Richards, previously Senior Policy Advisor to Tony Blair and a Controller of Corporate Strategy at the BBC. Conclusion : the British government had the means

    That’s my reasoning. My overall conclusion is that it is fair comment to say “Britain banned Press TV”

    OK, Fred, my arguments with you never go anywhere. I’ve made my case, I’ll leave it at that, you can have the last word on it if you want.

  124. @ fred 30 Jan 2014 – 11:52 pm

    ….although you’ve used the last hour more productively than me, I’ll give you that

  125. “We offer two explanations for the tapering. One is technical, and one is strategic.”

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/01/30/fed-tapering/

  126. A Node, your hour wasn’t wasted. Thanks for those details.

  127. Cheers, Clark. Since he was moonlighting for you instead of bickering with me, your appreciation has balanced things out.

  128. BrianFujisan

    31 Jan, 2014 - 2:58 am

    A Node

    agree with Clark… The wee confab held my attention… but that is a fine piece of work…good stuff.

    But £900.000/ hour Drama… No wonder the fkrs keep sending me letters :) i very rarely turn the damn thing on.

    Fred well done too Re the Video.

  129. “Usmanov could still sue Craig, but he never did because Craig’s allegations are true and Usmanov would lose. ”

    Oh how quaint. This is by no means guaranteed and I doubt Craig has the resources to fight a libel action.

    Press TV is part of the Iranian state broadcaster, controlled and funded by the Iranian government. Not what you could call independent by any means and I’m sure they could’ve found the £100,000, a fine for broadcasting an interview under duress with someone who claims he’d been tortured and threatened with execution, but perhaps they decided the illusion of censorship had better propaganda value. Some people appear to have been taken in anyway.

  130. Interesting that the link to this video of Craig speaking at the massive protest on Saturday 10 January 2009, entitled ‘Former British Ambassador Craig Murray Stop Gaza Massacre protest..’ doesn’t work.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DkldhMYlRM

    ‘An error occurred. Please try again later.’

    Curious. Craig’s video plays for me on Youtube if I switch to HTML5 video. It will not play for me using the default settings.

    To see it go to https://www.youtube.com/html5 and select use html5 player

    then go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DkldhMYlRM

    and it will play fine. If it stops playing fine that’s pretty much 100% proof of censorship as opposed to technical problem.

  131. The £900,000 an hour is for top of the range productions such as Sherlock or Dr Who from which the BBC usually makes money from overseas sales, DVDs and other spin-off products. Low quality productions such as daytime soaps cost around £50,000 per hour.

  132. fred,

    You do realise that Press TV has been removed from almost every “western” broadcasting network one by one using initially creative excuses but now just “the Americans told us to take it off or else.”

  133. BrianFujisan

    31 Jan, 2014 - 3:31 am

    On the subject of Drama, and more specifically film…and also Whilst the likes of Johansson has been all over the internet…And since I’m heavy into First Nations History / Culture….

    i was very pleased to learn that Marlon Brando once turned down an Oscar in support of Native Americans…Good on ye Sir.

    On March 5, 1973, the actor Marlon Brando declines the Academy Award for Best Actor for his career-reviving performance in The Godfather. The Native American actress Sacheen Littlefeather attended the ceremony in Brando’s place, stating that the actor “very regretfully” could not accept the award, as he was protesting Hollywood’s portrayal of Native Americans in film.

    On the eve of the 1972 Oscars, Brando announced that he would boycott the ceremony, and would send Littlefeather in his place. After Brando’s name was announced as Best Actor, the presenter Roger Moore (star of several James Bond films) attempted to hand the Oscar to Littlefeather, but she brushed it aside, saying that Brando could not accept the award. Littlefeather read a portion of a lengthy statement Brando had written, the entirety of which was later published in the press, including The New York Times. “The motion picture community has been as responsible as any,” Brando wrote, “for degrading the Indian and making a mockery of his character, describing his as savage, hostile and evil.”

    Brando had been involved in social causes for years, speaking publicly in support of the formation of a Jewish state in the 1940s, as well as for African-American civil rights and the Black Panther Party. His Oscar statement expressed support for the American Indian Movement (AIM) and referenced the ongoing situation at Wounded Knee, the South Dakota town that had been seized by AIM members the previous month and was currently under siege by U.S. military forces. Wounded Knee had also been the site of a massacre of Native Americans by U.S. government forces in 1890.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/turning-down-an-academy-award-marlon-brando-declined-best-actor-oscar/5366844

  134. Press TV is part of the Iranian state broadcaster, controlled and funded by the Iranian government. Not what you could call independent by any means and I’m sure they could’ve found the £100,000, a fine for broadcasting an interview under duress with someone who claims he’d been tortured and threatened with execution, but perhaps they decided the illusion of censorship had better propaganda value. Some people appear to have been taken in anyway.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9028435/Britain-bans-Irans-Press-TV-from-airwaves.html

    So far, Press TV has also failed to pay the fine of £100,000, ignoring a deadline of 5 January, although Ofcom said this was not the reason for the withdrawal of its licence. BSkyB, the satellite broadcaster, has been ordered to drop Press TV from its network in the UK.

    After being dropped by multiple satellite and cable channels worldwide Press TV started to broadcast live on YouTube. Then 6 months ago their Youtube channel got suspended strangely enough.

  135. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jan/20/iran-press-tv-loses-uk-licence

    WikiLeaks cables say London and Washington have explored ways to limit the operations of Press TV in the UK. And here it comes; Press TV is removed from the Sky platform.”

  136. “On the eve of the 1972 Oscars, Brando announced that he would boycott the ceremony, and would send Littlefeather in his place.”

    Sounds like your average luvvie.

  137. What is the status of the BBC in Iran?

  138. http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enforcement/broadcast-licence-conditions/press-tv-revoked

    Despite claims to the contrary it’s difficult to believe that Press TV’s refusal to pay the fine didn’t affect Ofcom’s decision.

    Press TV still appears to be available via it’s website and Youtube, I can’t access streaming content from where I am at the moment to be certain. That’s if anyone is still interested in it’s mix of revisionist history and barm-pot conspiracy theories.

  139. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/01/30/348500/over-half-of-russians-support-putin/

    A better world view.
    We have been at war with each other for too long.

    Let`s not build armaments, let`s plant trees and create a better world.

    Boer = Translates/Farmer

  140. Non-essential staff at Sellafield (Windscale) have been told not to come to work today due to raised levels of radioactivity at the site.

    For those with long memories. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire One reason for renaming it Sellafield.

  141. “Over half of Russians support Putin…”

    ..and he knows where the others live.

  142. Thank you very much AlcAnon and Fred for giving Craig’s fine speech in Hyde Park following Cast Lead a further airing. Afterwards we marched to Kensington to the Israeli Embassy. There were thousands and thousands of us. That was all 5 years ago and there has been no change for the Palestinian people other than that much more of their land has been stolen.

    Click on Bi’lin here, a Palestinian village and go a little westward to see the Israeli settlement of Modi’in Ilit. Just one of hundreds that are similar.

    http://goo.gl/maps/wvMhM

    ‘I went to Bi’ilin with ……. group. Met good people, some who ran the fizzy drinks factory – a necessity and a simple pleasure in the height of summer. The European interloper had capped the well of good water from whence came the water for the factory. Perhaps they had stolen it in readiness for another damned settlement. I cannot recall whether a resolution was in sight. I think not; the factory was going to pack up.

    There is a message from Wadi Foquin today. I recall the black streaks on the hillside where sewage had poured down onto the kitchen gardens. I saw cracks in the secondary school walls where rocks had been hurled down as explosives blasted off the top of a hill – yes for another settlement. I recall the long horizontal slits for ‘defensive’ weaponry and the recently planted mature trees flourishing in the square behind. There was a spring gushing into a pool down the blind wadi. ‘The wadi of thorns’ – Jewish lore respected this pool. It cleansed them you know. One day I saw about 20 young Jewish people bathing and making their way to do that. The villagers were in no way aggressive. Instead they were courteous. Now that is no good for CNN or BBC.
    Then I realised it was 2008 when I visited. I wonder what state Jayyous and Bi’lin are in now?

    Apart from the oppression and the armed robbery, guess the water consumption of Modi’in Ilit (‘ultra orthodox’) plus Hashomer compared with Bi’ilin. Macro crime done by black hearts. A lovely, gentle land in which the native people lived in harmony with the natural world. The concrete that has spread far and wide is symbolic, and partly in its great ugliness.’

  143. Syria talks due to end in Geneva
    The current round of peace talks on Syria is due to end in Switzerland later on Friday with little or no progress expected on core issues.

    Bad luck Kerry and co.

  144. This is an annotated version of Hague’s speech at the opening of the ‘talks’. V good.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1391136657.html

  145. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    31 Jan, 2014 - 9:21 am

    ‘He’s a busted flush.

    But attention : a packet of top EU posts will be delivered this year, after the EP elections. Among them, President of the European Council, to replace H van Rompuy….

    Don’t forget – you read it here first!

    No, we bloody didn’t.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9641302/Tony-Blair-the-EU-needs-a-president.html

  146. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    31 Jan, 2014 - 9:39 am

  147. I know its not political, or on-topic, but I have been researching the rules governing work in my favourite fields, Electrical, Mechanical, Renewables such as stoves, Photovoltaic, Solar Thermal, Heat Pumps in the light of the new QVF qualifications.

    Training companies are warning that without taking thousands of pounds of training I will no longer be able to use my existing qualifications.

    The Dept. for Community and Local Government has now replaced the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister. The new Dept. amongst other things runs the Building Regulations including Part P, Domestic Electrical Installations.

    Yes, it was run previously by the Double Jag push me pull you Deputy PM which is basically a converted hearse for British Industry with a Jaguar welded on at both ends to permit travel in both directions even at the same time.

    It drives forward Old Labour Trade Unionised closed shop Trainng standards which are unreachable financially by private individuals. But it also serves good old-fashioned Tory policy by permitting householders to get DIY electricians to install their electrics and, if the Council isn’t notified within 12 months, that installation is beyond the scope of the Council’s powers to investigate or give penalties.

    (Everybody else has taken to intransientising traditionally transient English verbs, so why can’t I do the same?)

    I worked in a homeless drop-in centre for a few years and I said to an Irishman who used to drop in, ‘If you knew what terrible effect alcohol does to your body …’ Yes ‘ he says ‘ it would drive you to drink.

    This is the effect of the Government legislation. Landlords and house-owners are so scared of the cost of employing skilled tradesmen/ women, that they get the cowboys in and don’t notify or test the work.

    Anyway apparently there is a loophole in the Building Regulations which allows a skilled person who is not charging money to do all the types of work I am interested in.

    I am a New Tory. i.e. when the work dried up in 2008 I made a limited company and the expenses of professional training and subscriptions, accountants bills, transport etc etc all far exceed the receipts so technically I earn nothing, but I cease to be on the un-employment statistics.

    The world is my oyster. I didn’t get where I am today by bothering about government legislation. An Englishman’s home is his castle. My company will charge you, but I receive nothing.
    Let’s face it a government dept. that couldn’t reverse its priorities every five years would be virtually useless in the UK political system.

    While I’m sitting in my office waiting for the fish to bite on my highly reasonable prices, but no fish are biting because I’m so qualified I have to condemn their whole installation and tell them to start again, I reflect that vast numbers of well-paid people are doing the same, scratching themselves, looking on the internet, pricing jobs, building up dossiers for training courses, plus all the things that Mary does like walking my cat, Fred, on CM’s blog, but, unlike me ,they earn something.

    Patience is beautiful. No problem. Private jobs come in from time to time in spite of having been placed on various blacklists by the charming Muslim corporation that I worked for a while. Within the category of people who have sold their souls to the global Zionist/Jihadist new world order, the UK is apparently enjoying a bit of a boom.

  148. @A Node

    Yes the British Government would have liked to be able to ban Press TV in retaliation to their jamming of BBC Persian TV channels and Voice of America, which it says in the same document you quoted except you missed out that bit. As you can see they said they were unable to.

    Is it surprising that the government would wish to be able to ban broadcasts in Britain of a TV channel which can only be described as Neo Nazi from a country in which all satellite tv is banned? Had Press TV paid their fine and moved editorial control to Britain they would still have their license, still be broadcasting interviews wit Holocaust deniers and all satellite tv would still be illegal in Iran.

  149. Imagine if these were IDF forces being attacked by Palestinians;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEMBtQ4aLkU

    Imagine the body count of dead Palestinians, and the total lack of Western outrage.

  150. ‘You do realise that Press TV has been removed from almost every “western” broadcasting network one by one using initially creative excuses but now just “the Americans told us to take it off or else.”’

    No, I was under the impression Press TV was still available world wide via the seven satellites Optus D2, Paksat-1R, ArabSat 5A, Badr 4, Badr 5, Eutelsat 7A, and Nilesat 201.

  151. Back on topic, if you are a Muslim today in this country and you do not subscribe to either the Western model of secular, i.e. separating your religion and social/work/values into separate, un-crossable compartments or the Zionist corruption of Islam, the Jihadist model we see in Syria, you will be totally shunned.

    Perhaps nobody read the link to Aiman Zawairis summary of Qaida/Muslim Brotherhood opinion that I posted earlier. In that article he basically states that thinking for yourself about what is going on in the world is the same as being a spy against Islam. We now know that all our country has been involved with Qaida in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya etc. Yesterdasy, sorry typing error, they played a snipper of Mladic starting to say that USUKIS had sent Qaida to overturn the status quo. They may all be war criminals or saints on either side for all I know but the staements of Mladic and Assad are basically true when they say that UKUSISQaida have interfered with their sovereignty.

    So when Zawahiri states that independent analysts are spies, and that they are the collaborators with the enemies of Islam who have sold their faith and become apostates, he is describing himself and his own sub=organisations. Furthermore, by throwing the blame of spying onto the independent thinkers he has set alight a 35 year conflict between Muslims, each of them categorising the other as incorrect, or disbeliever, or worthy of being sacked, or silenced, or divorced or disenfranchised up to being beheaded. The trickster and Zionist agent was the jassous/collaborator all the time. His main goal to achieve political power for himself and Qaida from the West and Zionists, by dividing/Ichtilaf the pious, believing Muslims, stripping the assets of theuir countries and giving the spoils of the Muslim countries to the West/Zionists, in exchange for power for his Jesuit/Calvinisic creed of permanent and escalating war in the Muslim lands.

    Most Muslims are forced to subscribe to one of the above, the secular or the Calvinist. If you want aneasy life you settle for the former because the full power of the organised religion of Islam under its well-known groups, Deobandi, Brotherhood, Ahle Kitab etc AND the full power of the Zionist Western state of the five continents of the world will be on your case to destroy you if you dare to disobey orders from Zawahiri.

    Did we not have a civil war in this ciountry in order to establish freedom of religion and expression. Well, that is what the organised religion of Islam in the UK is working its bollocks off to destroy.

  152. “After being dropped by multiple satellite and cable channels worldwide Press TV started to broadcast live on YouTube. Then 6 months ago their Youtube channel got suspended strangely enough.”

    Same as any other channel which violates YouTube’s terms of service.

    They are broadcasting on YouTube now as well as streaming their shows live while in Iran much of the internet is blocked.

  153. “WikiLeaks cables say London and Washington have explored ways to limit the operations of Press TV in the UK. And here it comes; Press TV is removed from the Sky platform.”

    If you like articles in the Guardian try these:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/feb/22/bbc-world-service-censorship

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/24/iran-fake-blog-smear-campaign-journalist-bbc

  154. From my local PSC

    Please consider complaining to the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/ ) about this, but use your own words. Ask for a reply, and when you get one, I suggest you escalate it by getting back to the BBC.

    Regards
    …..
    =======================
    BBC1 News at Ten on 30/1/14 carried an item about the sacking of Scarlett Johansson by Oxfam because of her link with Sodastream. The program is available on BBC iPlayer until 10pm tonight.

    It started at 22.21.12, finished 22.23.23.

    * The presenter briefly introduced the topic as about ” a factory in an Israeli settlement on the West Bank”,
    * followed by about 15 secs in which a Sodastream ad featuring her is run
    * then 10 secs saying why she was sacked
    * correspondent Nick Bryan (?) takes over and says this is about Soda’s factory “in an Israeli settlement on occupied West Bank” and shows happy workers in its modern factory, reads out brief Oxfam statement
    * then Soda’s Chief Executive is featured making a statement for 10 secs
    * then Scarlett is shown touring Kenya for Oxfam for next 20 secs to the end

    Possible complaints:

    1. Both the presenter and Nick B refer to “an Israeli settlement on the West Bank”. They do not mention this is an illegal settlement in the Occupied Palestinian Territories which is on the site of what were several Palestinian villages, which is the legal position. Channel 4 in its news coverage however was accurate.

    2. The overall effect is that most of the program is devoted to what amounts to an ad both for Sodastream and for Scarlett Johansson – lack of balance.

    3. Nobody is interviewed to explain why Sodastream is subject to a campaign to boycott its products not just in the Uk but also in the US and elsewhere.

    In general, shows once more a consistent bias against the Palestinian cause by the BBC.

  155. A comment on the BBC complaints website.

    I wonder how many of you heard the coverage of the SodaStream story on Radio 4 “Today”. If you didn’t hear it, please listen to it later this morning when it becomes available on iplayer.

    ‘It would take me all day to list everything that was wrong with your presentation of this story so I will just deal with the most important points.

    1. John Humphrys said: “When the Super Bowl is aired in the US on Sunday viewers can expect a glimpse into a conflict more ancient, and indeed more important, than the clash of multi millionaire sportsmen.” Ancient? Settlement construction on Palestinian land under military occupation only began post June ’67. Israel itself was only created 65 years ago. Or if you take the Balfour Declaration as the beginning of “the conflict”, even that was less than 100 years ago. Hardly “ancient”. Before Britain and France carved up the Middle East at the start of the 20th century there was no “conflict” in the Holy Land. John needs a history lesson.

    2. Although we were told that Connolly had been to the ME to investigate the story, most of his report was taken up with of advertising SodaStream and the actress, a protest outside London’s Israeli Embassy including a short comment from PSC’s Amena Saleem. From the West Bank itself we had lengthy propagandistic comments from Birnbaum and a shorter comment from a Palestinian worker whose job would be on the line if he spoke the truth about the “conflict”. Hardly impartial testimonies.

    3. What was lacking was any attempt to set the SodaStream story against the background of the growing hopelessness of Palestinians whose land, water, rights and very lives are being gobbled up by the occupation.’

  156. Someone, 30 Jan, 2014 – 6:46 pm

    While I take exception to students defacing my alma mater I am not sure that that is what happened. If the arrests of students was, as is stated at the end of the Guardian article, for refusing to give their names to the police nobody needs to give their name to the police unless they have been arrested, and if they have been arrested they need to know what they have been arrested for. I have some sympathy with these students. Fees are outrageous.

    In fact the Neocons hell-bent on “Americanising the UK” have done a pretty good job in turning the clock back towards the eighteenth century, when only those with money went to university. All this privatisation shit really stinks. For my first degree 1980-1983 I got a substantial grant which was based on my income. For my second degree it cost me £11,000 (give or take). The full fee was twice that because half was paid for by a bursary.

    I see the spam-bot loan-sharks are back.

    (30 Day Loans 31 Jan, 2014 – 11:25 am)

  157. Obomber’s thank you letter to the Inbal Hotel Jerusalem.

    White House letter – Some endorsement coming from him!

    http://www.inbalhotel.com/octopus/Upload/images/Obama-letter01.jpg

    Book now Special deals http://www.inbalhotel.com/deals

    http://www.inbalhotel.com/gallery

  158. Fred, Yes I’m well aware that Press TV is still available on some satellites, Some it is only back on during an appeal process. However the large audience channels, mainly broadcasting to Europe or the Americas it used to have have pretty much all been closed down starting with BSkyB. Their Youtube channel hasn’t been able to post any new video nor stream live since 6 months ago.

  159. Two twerps have a pub lunch of shrimps, rainbow trout and crumble washed down with French wine. Nice. No food banks for Agent Cameron and the over active Hollande.

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2014/01/30/01003-20140130ARTFIG00325-hollande-recu-par-cameron-sur-fond-de-french-bashing.php

    Meanwhile they are up to these dirty tricks.

    ‘Essential Equipment’: UK, France to jointly develop war drones
    January 31, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    Mike Raddie discusses today’s agreement between UK and France on future drone technology development (Russia Today News)
    http://bsnews.info/essential-equipment-uk-france-jointly-develop-war-drones/

  160. Direct link to Craig’s “Zionism is bullshit” speech for those still having trouble seeing it https://squonk.tk/craigmurray/zionism-is-bullshit.mp4

  161. Further on the alert at Sellafield.

    Alert at Sellafield nuclear plant was triggered by ‘naturally-occurring radiation’, it tells the BBC.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-25975785

    Is that likely?

  162. Could one even detect ‘naturally occurring radiation’ at Sellotape?

    ‘Dirty Thirty':
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_thirty_(Sellafield)#B30

  163. Thank God for Robert Fisk and Seumas Milne, the mainstream’s saving graces (along with Pilger)

    Here are their latest columns, on Butcher Blair and Ukraine’s “democratic” uprising:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/robert-fisk-if-only-tony-blair-could-grasp-the-truth-about-field-marshal-sisi-9097378.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/29/ukraine-fascists-oligarchs-eu-nato-expansion

  164. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    31 Jan, 2014 - 2:11 pm

    Single monitor on the fence indicated elevated level:

    ‘”…All of our plants and storage facilities were quickly confirmed as operating normally, and we were always confident that the issue posed no risk to the workforce or public because the levels being detected, whilst above background radiation levels, were still low. This view was reinforced by the fact that none of our other installed monitors were picking up any kind of increased levels – however, we take such issues so seriously that we investigated fully to confirm that everything was okay.”

    OTOH

    “”The world and his dog will remember well that some the world’s worst nuclear accidents were initially portrayed as being of no consequence and no risk to the public.”

    http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/sellafield-shut-to-day-workers-1.1113620

    OTOASPGA (alien scaly prehensile grasping appendage)again, Google gave me the 404 page when I tried to find out more…

  165. “Fred, Yes I’m well aware that Press TV is still available on some satellites, Some it is only back on during an appeal process. However the large audience channels, mainly broadcasting to Europe or the Americas it used to have have pretty much all been closed down starting with BSkyB. Their Youtube channel hasn’t been able to post any new video nor stream live since 6 months ago.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hheNrBUgiW8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUzSq7O3MmG-EF0Gq68uSjPw

    http://www.youtube.com/user/PressTVBroadcast

    Still plenty of Press TV on Youtube which suggests to me that it isn’t content being banned, it was the channel which was suspended for violations of user agreement.

    Anyway I don’t think Youtube owes Iran any favours considering Youtube is banned in Iran. I take it you support the actions of the Iranian state.

    http://thenextweb.com/google/2012/10/01/iran-lifts-block-gmail-vows-absolutely-censor-youtube/#!t36or

  166. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    31 Jan, 2014 - 2:15 pm

    Radon map of the “UK” (sic). I guess North Britain hit critical mass and exploded?

    http://www.timberwise.co.uk/our-services/radon-control/radon-map-of-the-uk/

  167. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    31 Jan, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    Herbie

    “I’m sure Blairio is the fallguy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_Writer_%28film%29

    But not sure why you’re agin him now.”
    __________________

    1/. Well, if being elected President of the European Council constitutes being a fall guy, then I wouldn’t mind being a fall guy :) . No, my comment wasn’t expressing a wish or praise but rather a prediction/warning…

    2/. What on earth makes you think I was ever for him? Like a lot of people, I fell out of love with him some time before the Irak war……

  168. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    31 Jan, 2014 - 2:34 pm

    Beelzebub

    ‘He’s a busted flush.

    “But attention : a packet of top EU posts will be delivered this year, after the EP elections. Among them, President of the European Council, to replace H van Rompuy….

    Don’t forget – you read it here first!

    No, we bloody didn’t.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9641302/Tony-Blair-the-EU-needs-a-president.htm
    _______________________

    Beaten to it by The Daily telegraph, huh? Well I never. You’re a bit of an old devil for posting that, actually, since some one on here will no doubt now be convinced that I’m either on BLiar’s of The Telegraph’s staff…. :)

    No, seriously though, BLiar is apparently calling for a directly elected President, but as we all know, the procedure on the Lisbon Treaty for electing the next President doesn’t involve direct elections. This is just another example of his occasional puffs of wind I referred to on jocular fashion in my ‘performing seal’ post of earlier.

    Keep imbibing the sulphur and let the brimstone flow!

  169. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    31 Jan, 2014 - 2:46 pm

    ‘some one on here will no doubt now be convinced that I’m either on BLiar’s of The Telegraph’s staff….’

    Think they all know you’re working for My Satanic Majesty. Blair wouldn’t employ anyone who asks questions, and you’re a bit far right for the Telegraph.

  170. Fred, Thanks for the Youtube link. I hadn’t noticed they had managed to get back on. No live broadcasts on the new channel though.

    And of course I don’t support the ban on Youtube inside Iran. The new Iranian President has stated that they are considering lifting the ban inside Iran and I hope he does.

    With the recent easing of sanctions on Iran US pressure on broadcasters to fine a reason to remove Press TV may be decreasing.

  171. Checking the European public radiation monitoring network everything seems relatively normal although there might just be evidence of a slight gamma pulse on Ronaldsway, Isle of Man sensor and Dundalk Ireland. Possibly related to heavy rain moving through and atmospheric washout. Fuksuhima?

    http://eurdep.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Basic/Pages/Public/Home/Default.aspx

  172. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    31 Jan, 2014 - 3:56 pm

    “…and you’re a bit far right for the Telegraph.”
    _________________-
    Are you suggesting that The Telegraph has shifted ground? Most worrying!

  173. AlcAnon/Squonk 31 Jan, 2014 – 3:51 pm

    Couln’t find the Ronaldsway link to Gamma Rays. It’s hardly likely to be Fukushima with Sellafield visible from the Isle of Man. Do you have a link to the actual page please?

  174. John,

    Sorry no I can’t give a more direct link as you have to click through “I accept conditions for use etc” to get there. Use the link I gave above. Make sure you unblock popups from the site then click on public data and then zoom in on the map. Click on the station. As I say at most there is a very small ripple above typical range. Don’t have the time to download the data from multiple stations and look for correlations methodically myself just now.

    There’s a map of German gamma sensors ups and downs correlated with rain bands at the sensor location kicking about the net somewhere plotted by a German statistician. He suspects Fukushima related and maybe it is but I would like to see the same plots of data from before Fukushima for comparison.

  175. Here’s the Isle of Man data. Note the increase from 100 nano-sieverts/hr to 120 then drop back to 100. Highest 120 at about mid-day today. Btw right click on the map to get tooltip info mode to see data.

    begin end nSv/h Remarks Validated
    2014-01-31 15:49 2014-01-31 16:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 14:49 2014-01-31 15:49 1.10E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 13:49 2014-01-31 14:49 1.20E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 12:49 2014-01-31 13:49 1.20E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 11:49 2014-01-31 12:49 1.20E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 10:49 2014-01-31 11:49 1.15E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 09:49 2014-01-31 10:49 1.17E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 08:49 2014-01-31 09:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 07:49 2014-01-31 08:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 06:49 2014-01-31 07:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 05:49 2014-01-31 06:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 04:49 2014-01-31 05:49 1.10E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 03:49 2014-01-31 04:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 02:49 2014-01-31 03:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 01:49 2014-01-31 02:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-31 00:49 2014-01-31 01:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-30 23:49 2014-01-31 00:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-30 22:49 2014-01-30 23:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-30 21:49 2014-01-30 22:49 1.00E+02 “” NV
    2014-01-30 20:49 2014-01-30 21:49 1.00E+02 “” NV

  176. “What on earth makes you think I was ever for him? (Blair) Like a lot of people, I fell out of love with him some time before the Irak war……”

    So, habby, you were never for him, but yet you loved him once?

    Seems a bit confused.

  177. The BLiar acolyte and Iraq warmonger Aaronovitch
    (Copied to avoid the money grubbing Murdoch’s paywall)

    Aaronovitch: ‘We are mopping Syria’s blood with a hanky’
    January 30, 2014
    The Times

    Britain’s decision to take a few hundred refugees is a mere fig leaf given our inaction in the face of growing atrocity

    Tuesday night, I’m listening to the radio and a comedian (one that I quite like) is doing a sequence about what a dreadful man Tony Blair is, and look what happened over Iraq, and fancy making him a peace envoy in the Middle East. The audience laughs at this in a dutiful way as they have been laughing at it for half a decade. There’s something missing though, and it’s something that is almost always missing. I have yet to hear a skit on Syria.

    Ten days earlier a barman and part-time DJ called Twiggy Garcia attempted a good-natured if desultory citizen’s arrest on Mr Blair in a restaurant in Shoreditch. Over Iraq, of course. But this time the missing word was provided by the former Prime Minister who, according to Mr Garcia, rather than telling him to swivel on his own turntable, “kept changing the subject and talking about Syria”. Mr Garcia interpreted this as another sign of Mr Blair’s moral turpitude.

    One part of the context of this week’s little discussion on whether Britain should provide a temporary home for a couple of trainfuls of the most traumatised Syrian refugees, is that Syria is barely debated here at all. News organisations such as The Times and the BBC send correspondents to the border areas, who file brave and agonising reports. Many British people give generously to various appeals, but there are no http://www.demonstrations.No anger is generated because of what is happening. There is in fact no argument about Syria whatsoever.

    As of now 130,000 or so people have died in the Syrian civil war. The UN calculates that more than a tenth of the Syrian population – 2.4 million people – are refugees in foreign countries: 860,000 in Lebanon, 576,000 in Jordan, 559,000 in Turkey, 210,000 in Iraq, 132,000 in Egypt; and 6.4 million are displaced internally. Whole city centres and suburbs have been (and are being) destroyed; 80 per cent of schools are disrupted; in many places health services are practically non-existent; in others the population is being starved out by the regime.

    There has been no repeat of last summer’s unpunished use of chemical weapons by the Assad forces, but there hasn’t needed to be. The vast majority of deaths and injuries always were caused by conventional weapons. A current regime favourite is the “barrel bomb”, an oil drum or similar container stuffed with bits of metal and explosives that is tipped out of a helicopter on to a suspicious-looking building, market or schoolyard. These, it seems, cross no one’s red lines and certainly don’t exercise the imaginative ire of people like the anti-drone campaigners.

    The British Government has put a lot of money into alleviating the plight of Syrian refugees in the surrounding countries. By and large they would rather be closer to their homes and – need I say it? – we would prefer them to be closer to their homes too. Besides countries such as Jordan are seen as being both fragile and strategically vital, so helping them to help the displaced makes good sense.

    However, having constructed an “in theatre” strategy, the Government stuck to it too rigidly when the UN asked that the most vulnerable and traumatised refugees (30,000 out of 2.4 million) be taken out of the camps. Labour decided to press the Government to get with the programme, and this week – worried about looking hard-hearted – ministers finally agreed that they would. We will apparently take somewhere between the 90 refugees of Ireland and the 500 of France.

    It is good to do a good thing, even if the good thing is – set against the scale of the problem – a small thing indeed. But when this almost token action is paraded as hugely virtuous then it looks like something else – a salve, a sop, the figgiest of leaves. So yesterday, Labour’s Andy Burnham said that recent events meant that Britons could “celebrate the role played by Parliament over the crisis in Syria, first in delaying military action and now over these refugees”.

    Rejoice, rejoice. What a good job Parliament (by which Mr Burnham means Ed Miliband) has made of dealing with the Syria crisis. Since the effective scuppering of military action against Assad back in August (remember, we weren’t rushing in because we were awaiting the evidence?) thousands more are dead, but not by chemical weapons. There have been the photographs of 11,000 tortured and executed victims of Assad’s security forces. Bombs are going off in Lebanon. There is famine in Homs and the further strengthening of the jihadi element among the Syrian rebels, as those of us who called for intervention for three years, always predicted.

    But of course, we have talks in Montreux. Actually I think we would have had talks in Montreux earlier and on better terms if we had taken out Assad’s air force when, for a short time, there was a _ to allow it to happen.
    And what do we expect now? The war cannot realistically end until Assad decides that he will go, and this he cannot do, because, like Macbeth, “I am in blood. Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more, returning were as tedious as go o’er.” In the remote event of his parting with power, an UneasyJet flight to The Hague awaits him. He knows it. Besides, after all this, at the moment he’s winning.

    In August we – by which I mean mostly Barack Obama – had the chance (albeit very late) to create some measure of influence over the outcome of the Syrian catastrophe. Mr Burnham’s success, for which he invites celebration, was to surrender that moment and to position us on the edge of a sea of blood, dabbing at the spreading pool with a pocket handkerchief. And Assad got us right. How did we react? Nothing. The 11,000 executed Syrians? http://www.Zip.No demos. The anti-drones didn’t even wonder for a moment whether they shouldn’t be changing the messages on their placards. Certainly no citizen’s arrests. While it went on, Twiggy played guitar.

    Two days ago, however, when he’d had time to think it all over, Twiggy decided that Syria had perhaps not been quite the change of subject he’d first thought. Actually that was Mr Blair’s fault too. “The international community”, Twiggy calculated, “is scared to intervene in Syria because of the mess Blair and Bush made of Iraq, [consequently] politicians and the public are not supporting fighting for human rights and peace in the Middle East.”

    Maybe that’s the reason, or a bit of it. But, pace Mr Burnham, it’s not exactly an excuse to party.

  178. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    31 Jan, 2014 - 5:38 pm

    Herbie (17h11)

    Stop playing the fool, you know perfectly well what I meant. :)

  179. Russia won the rights to host the 2014 Olympics with the help of one of the world’s biggest heroin traffickers, says former British ambassador to Uzbekistan
    Gafur Rakhimov was publicly thanked for help by Sochi Olympic bid chief
    Uzbek businessman said to have been key to securing vital Asian votes

    But US officials believe he is a mafia boss and international heroin kingpin
    Now ex-British ambassador to Uzbekistan calls him a major drug trafficker
    Craig Murray has referred to Rakhimov as ‘a very dangerous gangster’

    By Tom Leonard In New York

    PUBLISHED: 13:15, 31 January 2014 | UPDATED: 16:05, 31 January 2014

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549408/Russia-won-rights-host-2014-Olympics-help-one-worlds-biggest-heroin-traffickers-says-former-British-ambassador-Uzbekistan.html

  180. doug scorgie

    31 Jan, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    30 Jan, 2014 – 6:55 pm

    Says:
    “I really don’t know which of them I love more : obsessive Mary, sat in front of her laptop all day or Mr Scourgie with his foolish, pseudo-rational, pseudo-erudite quibblings (cf post at 14h12).”

    Habbabkuk, your reply just goes to show, as always, that you and the other Zionist supporters on this blog are completely unable to justify their support for Israel and its policies.

    What do you think the best solution would be for the Israel/Palestine peace process?

    I asked you that question many moons ago; you have yet to answer.

    You can’t answer and neither can your fellow Zionists because your replies would be open to examination and fact checking.

    I challenge any of you Israel supporters to put your case forward in an intelligent and logical way.

    How long will I have to wait?

  181. “Third Banker, Former Fed Member, “Found Dead” Inside A Week”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-31/third-banker-former-fed-member-found-dead-inside-week

  182. “Ecuador’s Correa wants US military to leave”

    http://news.yahoo.com/ecuador-39-correa-wants-us-military-leave-230734947.html

  183. John Goss, 4:31 pm, I agree with the Squonk; yes, the ripples in the public radiation data are likely to be fall-out from Fukushima, brought down by rain. Fukushima emitted lots of airborne radioactive pollution which has had plenty of time to circulate, and rain is the main thing that brings it back down.

    If you can handle some fairly heavy-going and technical reading, try Wings of Death by Chris Busby. Differences in radioactive contamination at ground level varying in proportion to rainfall is central to two of his studies. I don’t accept all of Busby’s conclusions and I think he overstates one of his arguments in particular, but he makes a convincing case that the major pro-nuclear establishments maintain a whitewash of the effects of radioactive pollution.

  184. Kempe, 3:18 am:

    “Oh how quaint.”

    Usmanov sent his lawyers after multiple publishers; the former hosts of this blog, and various football club Internet forums. In every case it was Craig’s allegations that he made them remove. But he never sued Craig, though (if he could have won) it would have been more efficient and it would have refuted the allegations rather than just partially removing them from view. So maybe your sarcasm was misplaced, eh?

  185. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    31 Jan, 2014 - 10:12 pm

    Mr Scourgie

    Do grow up.

    And don’t be sanctimious – when have you ever advanced a detailed and coherent solution to any of the issues the Eminences evoke with such boring regularity?

  186. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    31 Jan, 2014 - 10:15 pm

    Ps to Mr Scourgie, whp, on reflection, deserves a fuller reply:

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    30 Jan, 2014 – 6:55 pm

    Says:
    “I really don’t know which of them I love more : obsessive Mary, sat in front of her laptop all day or Mr Scourgie with his foolish, pseudo-rational, pseudo-erudite quibblings (cf post at 14h12).”

    Habbabkuk, your reply just goes to show, as always, that you and the other Zionist supporters on this blog are completely unable to justify their support for Israel and its policies.”
    _______________________

    I think my reply shows nothing more, and nothing less, than what I think of Mother Mary and her spiritual Son Dougie.

  187. Here is a great piece by Edward S. Herman…

    it’s a stunning put down of all the Gov. and Media war propaganda lies…And outlines many other ( besides Propaganda) Nato and rebel war crimes… i have selected some paragraphs…but the piece is about three times Longer… jam-packed with so much revealing info…a great insight to what really went on in Libya

    NATO’s War on Libya – Not a Humanitarian Intervention

    Review of Maximilian Forte’s book “Slouching Towards Sirte: NATO’s War on Libya and Africa”

    Maximilian Forte’s book on the Libyan war, Slouching Towards Sirte: NATO’s War on Libya and Africa ( Baraka Books, 2012), is another powerful (and hence marginalized) study of the imperial powers in violent action, and with painful results, but supported by the UN, media, NGOs and a significant body of liberals and leftists who had persuaded themselves that this was a humanitarian enterprise. Forte shows compellingly that it wasn’t the least little bit humanitarian, either in the intent of its principals (the United States, France, and Great Britain) or in its results.

    As in the earlier cases of “humanitarian intervention” the Libyan program rested intellectually and ideologically on a set of supposedly justifying events and threats that were fabricated, selective, and/or otherwise misleading, but which were quickly institutionalized within the Western propaganda system.

    Resolution 1973 [R-1973], passed on March 17, 2011, which authorized member states “to take all necessary measures…to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahirija, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force in any form…” Its fraudulently benign and limited character was shown by this exclusion of an occupation force, as presumably any actions under this resolution would be limited to aircraft and missile operations “protecting civilians.” Its deep bias is shown by its attributing the threat to civilians solely to Libyan government forces, not to the rebels as well, who turned out to greatly surpass the government forces as civilian killers, and with a racist twist.

    As Forte spells out in detail, the imperial powers violated R-1973 from day one and clearly never intended to abide by its words. That resolution called for the “immediate establishment of a cease-fire and a complete end to violence,”
    Both Gaddafi and the African Union called for a cease fire and dialogue, but the rebels and imperial powers were not interested, and the bombing to “protect civilians” began within two days of the war-sanctioning resolution, without the slightest move toward obtaining a cease fire or starting negotiations.

    Forte shows that the factual base for Gaddafi’s alleged threat to civilians, his treatment of protesters in mid-February 2011, was more than dubious. The claimed striking at protesters by aerial attacks, and the Viagra-based rape surge, were straightforward disinformation, and the number killed was small—24 protesters in the three days, February 15-17, according to Human Rights Watch—fewer than the number of alleged “black mercenaries” executed by the rebels in Derna in mid-February (50), and fewer than the early protester deaths in Tunis or Egypt that elicited no Security Council effort to “protect civilians.” There were claims of several thousand killed in February 2011, but Forte shows that this also was disinformation supplied by the rebels and their allies, but swallowed by many Western officials, media and other gullibles.

    So in this Kafkaesque world the rebels and NATO behaved just as the “international community” claimed Gaddafi would behave, and the civilian casualties that resulted from the rebel-NATO combination vastly exceeded anything done by Gaddafi’s forces, or any probable civilian deaths that would have resulted if NATO had stayed away.

    This conclusion is strengthened by the fact that the rebels, from the beginning, pursued a race war. Forte stresses the importance in rebel actions of the hatred flowing from the rebels to Gaddafi forces and those deemed his supporters, which the rebels took to include anybody with a black skin. Many thousands of blacks were picked up by rebel forces, accused without the slightest proof of being mercenaries, and often executed. Among the many cases that Forte describes, in one a hospital was destroyed and dozens of its black patients were massacred. The largely black population of the sizable town of Tawargha was entirely expelled by the rebels. This racism pre-dates the 2011-2012 war, and resulted in part from Gaddafi’s policies reaching out to other African states, his relatively liberal treatment of black immigrants, and his inadequate counter-racist educational and economic-social policies that would alleviate distress at home. But Gaddafi was not a racist, whereas large numbers of the rebel forces (the “democratic opposition” in Western propaganda) were, and their successes, with NATO’s help, allowed them to perform as a lynch mob in many places (as Forte documents).

    More on this piece @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/natos-war-on-lybia-not-a-humanitarian-intervention/5366780

  188. BrianFujisan

    No one on this blog is interested in the aspect of religion but I don’t think it’s helpful to describe the attacks on Black Africans working in Libya in Western style terms of racism.

    The opponents of Gaddafi had embraced the last resort against their brutal apostate dictator, the acidic mix of Qaida and Western neo imperialism. Their grudge against black people was twisted for Western audiences who experience black people from the in Western inner cities clubbing and womenising into accusations of rape by black Africans for Western audiences.

    The gripe that the desperate Qaida Libyans more likely had against the Africans was more likely sectarian, ie. they were either normal Sunnis, not in their Jihadist group of Islam, or, also sectarian, they were Sufi, and not in their group of Sunni Islam. And any way they were mercenaries being employed by their enemy Gaddafi. These are sectarian and political motives, such as we see in Syria now.

    It is completely impossible to understand the events of the last 20 years without taking into account the sectarian/political divides between Zionist/Christians, Sufis, Muslim Brotherhood/Qiada, Salafis etc. Even Putin is Christian with strong ties to Israel, same as Obama and Cameron.

    Geneva 2 was a short gasp for breath for the two sides, ChristianZionist Russia, Christian Zionist USUK, Muslim Zionist Al Qaida on the one side, and the Muslim people of Syria/ atheist dictator Assad on the other. The common element between the enemies of the Syrians is their coalition with Zionism. And that is a sect above everything. The common element of the other side is their nationality.

    In the absence of a nuclear bomb on Jerusalem. The battle is about who is going to control Syria’s Islam, Assad’s nationalism or Israel’s neo-Calvin-Zio-spy-ism. Inshallah neither and Syria will choose another plan.

  189. Thanks Alcanon and Clark. Will study further tomorrow (ie today).

  190. BrianFujisan

    1 Feb, 2014 - 2:29 am

    Guano…BrianFujisan

    “No one on this blog is interested in the aspect of religion but I don’t think it’s helpful to describe the attacks on Black Africans working in Libya in Western style terms of racism.”

    With respect…I can’t speak for the others on Craig’s Blog.. i can assure you however that you are far more interested in Religion than i am… i might have aspects of Spirituality that i can appreciate…. Zen… American First Nations..Buddhism… although i aint so sure i can keep strictly to Tenzin Gyatso’s Peace till you are eradicated policy….

    You have Not took the time to read even my post properly… let alone go into the full article in my Link.

    And as for “attacks” on Black Africans…I’ve seen images of what Libya’s Western Backed terrorist So called rebels, have done to Black africans…. Gaddafi encouraged Africans from many country’s into Libya…But not to string them up as soon as they got there…. Guano.. Geeez Peace eh …

  191. The YouTube video of Craig in January 2009 is working again:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DkldhMYlRM

    I expect YouTube has software that automatically reports videos that fail, and YouTube’s hackers get around to fixing them later. But if no one tries to play them the system doesn’t mark them as needing to be fixed.

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