UK Moves to Block US Senate Report to Protect Blair, Straw and Dearlove

by craig on April 14, 2014 12:04 pm in Uncategorized

From a British diplomatic source I learn that Britain has lobbied the United States against the publication of the Senate Intelligence Committee report on torture and extraordinary rendition.  The lobbying has been carried out “at all levels” – White House, State Department and CIA.  The British have argued that at the very least the report must be emasculated before publication.

The British argument is that in a number of court cases including the Belhadj case, the British government has successfully blocked legal action by victims on the grounds that this would weaken the US/UK intelligence relationship and thus vitally damage national security, by revealing facts the American intelligence service wish hidden.  [We will leave aside for the moment the utter shame of our servile groveling judges accepting such an argument].  The British Government are now pointing out to the Americans that this argument could be fatally weakened if major detail of the full horror and scope of torture and extraordinary rendition is revealed by the Senate Intelligence Committee.  The argument runs that this could in turn lead to further revelations in the courts and block the major defence against prosecutions of Blair, Straw and Dearlove, among others, potentially unleashing a transatlantic wave of judicial activism.

The unabashed collusion of two torturing security states in concealing the truth of their despicable acts – including complicity in the torture of women and minors – and blocking criminal prosecution of the guilty is a sign of how low public ethics have sunk.  Fortunately there are still a few people in the British Foreign Office disgusted enough to leak it.

 

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  1. “However, if that family member commits a heinous crime, such as “murder most foul”, there are few families who wouldn’t turn them in as a matter of decency, unless they were in fear of their own neck. Indeed, the law of the land would expect them to. I’d have thought that in a “mature democracy” there would be procedures that could be invoked, if the betrayal of expected values at a national level goes off the scale.”

    That is logic, there isn’t anything logical about patriotism.

    The law does recognise the principle to some extent, a wife can’t be made to testify against her husband in most cases.

  2. Fred; “there isn’t anything logical about patriotism”

    How can crimes committed against one own citizens, & in the US case, against the very Constitution, be considered as “patriotism”, especially when the clear objective is personal financial enrichment ?

  3. “The Federation Council [upper house of parliament] granted the president the right to use military force in Ukraine. I really hope that I do not have to exercise that right and that we are able to solve all today’s pressing issues via political and diplomatic means,” Mr Putin said.

    Sod international law – its the Russian Federation Council that counts.

  4. The Russian Federation Council is of course very much Putin’s creature especially given that his view of federalism usually extends to extensive interference in the regional governments that are meant to appoint members to the Federation Council. Good to see that the old Leninist principles of “democratic” centralism are alive and well.

  5. “How can crimes committed against one own citizens, & in the US case, against the very Constitution, be considered as “patriotism”, especially when the clear objective is personal financial enrichment ?”

    I once saw an interview with John Wayne where he was asked his opinion on the slave trade and the discrimination against the African American.

    “Would any of them be better off if they had stayed in Africa?” he said.

    Don’t underestimate cognitive dissonance, it can justify anything.

  6. Fred; “Don’t underestimate cognitive dissonance, it can justify anything”

    For sure, but anybody offering irrationality & hypocrisy, cannot then complain if these factors are highlighted, with the resulting exposure of their povs as bogus & full of lies; the trouble is that when these people do get into power, they don’t complain, instead to misquote, “when I hear the word intellectual, I reach for my pistol”, or these days they simply frame you for some decades in jail.

  7. “@A Node
    Look I don’t have any sort of an agenda here. I had recently read the Huffington Post article because it was linked to from the Tom Watson twitter feed, it seemed relevant to the discussion so I posted it.
    If you don’t want to believe it don’t but don’t go calling me names to try and discredit it.”

    Thank you.
    And all I did was point out that the claim contradicts itself.
    The Huffington Post claimed Putin was the world’s richest leader, and ‘justified’ their choice thus:
    “Putin is believed to be worth between $40 and $70 billion, Bloomberg notes.”
    The link takes you to a Bloomberg article which explains that the claim is rubbish.

  8. @A Node

    Besides assigning ulterior motives to me for posting it then calling me a gullible fool for believing it you mean.

    If you don’t want to believe it don’t, fine by me.

  9. Fred,
    Do you believe that Putin is the world’s richest leader?

  10. Good news.

    BREAKING NEWS:Caroline Lucas MP found not guilty of public order offence along with four others after anti-fracking protests in W Sussex

    So Heir to Blair can frack off.

    Please sign this if you agree.

    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-the-shale-gas-extraction-by-fracking

  11. Any takers? Surely the work has already been done and this course is redundant.

    Mar 30 2014

    University of Haifa’s ‘Cyber Warriors’ will help fight the delegitimization of Israel using new media
    http://newmedia-eng.haifa.ac.il/?p=6614

  12. “Do you believe that Putin is the world’s richest leader?”

    I don’t have any reasons not to. The people he hangs out with seem to be immensely wealthy it seems reasonable to assume he is as well.

    But I don’t intend to spend time on google to try and prove the unprovable, if it contradicts what you want to believe then just don’t believe it.

  13. Interesting read Brian at 17 Apr, 2014 – 3:30 am

    Paul Craig Roberts kinda merges our posts in that this reckless folly of their efforts at forcing regime change across Ukraine can drive the path to war.

    The CIA director instructed Washington’s hand-picked stooge government in Kiev to apply to the United Nations for help in repelling “terrorists” who with alleged Russian help are allegedly attacking Ukraine. In Washington’s vocabulary, self-determination is a sign of Russian interference. As the UN is essentially a Washington-financed organization, Washington will get what it wants.

    The Russian government has already made it completely clear some weeks ago that the use of violence against protesters in eastern and southern Ukraine would compel the Russian government to send in the Russian army to protect Russians, just as Russia had to do in South Ossetia when Washington instructed its Georgian puppet ruler to attack Russian peacekeeping troops and Russian residents of South Ossetia.

    Washington knows that the Russian government cannot stand aside while one of Washington’s puppet states attacks Russians. Yet, Washington is pushing the crisis to war.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38236.htm

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    I should hazard a guess that rasPutin has a lot more money tucked away somewhere than Yeltsin ever had.

    Ni selling himself cheap for our Vlad!

  15. Fred,
    “I don’t have any reasons not to [believe Putin is the world’s richest leader].”
    You don’t have any credible reason to believe it either.

  16. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 3:12 pm

    re Paul Craig Roberts, lovingly cited by Mark “Wait” Golding:

    Apart from having been, for 10 months, 3O years ago, one of 11 US Assistant Treasury Secretaries, what qualifications does this chap have to pontificate on anything?

    He always reminds me of one of those guys one sees wandering around wearing a sandwich board on which is written “The end is nigh”. They’re still wandering around and the end still hasn’t arrived.

  17. You have been hearing of Mr Hunt’s plan to have virtual GP consultations by phone, email or Skype. Wonder how physical examinations would be achieved!

    Well this is what one doctor has to say on the current situation. Chapter and verse.

    GPs braced for shutdown after ‘toxic mix’ of loss of funds and high demand
    At one of 98 GP surgeries in England under threat of closure there is despair that NHS reforms could kill off good care
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/16/gps-surgeries-shutdown-loss-funds-high-demand-nhs
    16 April 2014

    It seems that Mr Hunt’s wheeze of issuing QOF points does not mean prizes.

    Lose the NHS and lose it forever.

  18. The ex UK Ambassador to Russia Sir Tony Brenton has been speaking on Sky News. He is saying that the West have got it all wrong with their plan to increase sanctions. No link.

  19. Residents of the United States and Russia, two nations currently engaged in an international brawl, might be particularly interested in the fact that their countries possess over 16,000 nuclear weapons. About 2,000 of them on hair-trigger alert, ready for use within minutes. According to the ICAN report, if only 500 of these weapons were to hit major U.S. and Russian cities, “100 million people would die in the first half an hour, and tens of millions would be fatally injured. Huge swaths of both countries would be blanketed by radioactive fallout.” Furthermore, “most Americans and Russians would die in the following months from radiation sickness and disease epidemics.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/lawrence-wittner/2014/04/14/your-doctors-are-worried/

  20. “You don’t have any credible reason to believe it either.”

    I don’t think Huffington Post would have printed it if they didn’t believe it and I don’t think Tom Watson would have linked to it if he didn’t believe it.

    So it all comes down to who you believe, I believe them, not you.

  21. I forgot to add – “Life is beautiful” remembering the ‘Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal’ was described as ‘so mind-bogglingly stupid that it assumes that if you can’t see it, then it can’t see you.’

  22. It’s so surreal you wonder if it’s true. He is threatening war with Russia yet takes time for a selfie with the war monger Biden yesterday.

    Barack Obama and Joe Biden took a selfie today. Yes, for real.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/16/barack-obama-and-joe-biden-took-a-selfie-today-yes-for-real/

    Obama Raises Spectre Of War With Russia
    Sky News
    As tensions mount in Ukraine, for the first time in decades an American president has raised the prospect of war with Russia.
    by Sunita.Patel 2:36 PM

    The press conference is two and a half hours overdue.

    The question of Putin’s wealth is a total irrelevance btw.

  23. technicolour

    17 Apr, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    The Day Today: War

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg

    NB It’s a spoof

  24. Fred
    “I don’t think Huffington Post would have printed it if they didn’t believe it”

    OK, you win, I can’t top that. Over and out.

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 4:11 pm

    Mary

    “The ex UK Ambassador to Russia Sir Tony Brenton has been speaking on Sky News. He is saying that the West have got it all wrong with their plan to increase sanctions. No link.”
    ________________

    And on a Radio 4 programme this morning, another former and even more distinguished UK Ambassador to Russia – Sir Roderick Lyne – appeared to be saying the opposite.

  26. Oh that establishment stooge from the Chilcot School of Theatrics.

    Sir Roderic Lyne is now Vice-Chairman at Chatham House where, from 1986 to 1987, he was a Visiting Research Fellow. He is an advisor to JPMorgan Chase ,[1] who have been chosen to operate the Trade Bank of Iraq , which will give banks access to the financial system of Iraq [6] He was a special adviser to BP , which currently has major interests in Iraq.[7] He is a non-executive director of Petropavlovsk plc (formerly Peter Hambro Mining). He is a member of the Board of the Russo-British Chamber of Commerce; the Board of Governors of Kingston University ; and is a Governor of the Ditchley Foundation .[5] From 2005-7 he was a member of the Task Force of the Trilateral Commission on Russia.[5] He was a member of the Chilcot inquiry into circumstances leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq ,[8] having been appointed to the Privy Council in 2009.[9] Several people have commented that he is the toughest inquisitor on the committee.[2] He currently sits on the Advisory Council of the Front Row Group of Companies Ltd.

    Ditchley, Chatham House, JP Morgan…. Shall I continue?

    PS BLiar is a paid adviser/operative for JP Morgan Chase but I expect everybody knows that.

  27. If it is available on I-player, Mary, I should listen to Sir Roderick on the balanced broadcasting corporation’s radio 4 this morning. He was interviewed by an increasingly fawning John Humphries, and giving “both sides”. The Russian side was given as “trying to destabilise the Ukraine”. I used to really think the BBC made an effort to be balanced.

  28. Lyne contd.

    Nice little earner here.

    http://www.frontrowgroup.co.uk/about-us.htm

    I felt sick when a photo of Bono popped up on the Hospitality section.
    http://www.frontrowhospitality.co.uk/

    There’s Lifestyle, Luxury, Property, Leadership, Education…. all bases covered.

    The founder http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/richard-wallace/48/796/209 Interesting that there is a Russian connection there.

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 5:46 pm

    Mary

    “Oh that establishment stooge from the Chilcot School of Theatrics.

    Sir Roderic Lyne is now Vice-Chairman at Chatham House..etc, etc..”
    __________________

    What, in that litany about what retired Ambassador Sir Roderick Lyne is doing at present, makes his opinions on Ukraine and Russia less valid than those of retired Ambassador Sir Tony Brenton?

    In what way is he a “stooge”?

  30. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 5:51 pm

    Peacewisher

    “If it is available on I-player, Mary, I should listen to Sir Roderick on the balanced broadcasting corporation’s radio 4 this morning. He was interviewed by an increasingly fawning John Humphries, and giving “both sides”. The Russian side was given as “trying to destabilise the Ukraine”. I used to really think the BBC made an effort to be balanced.”
    ____________________

    A comment typical for those posters who, when airtime is given to someone whose views they don’t like, call the BBC “biased” and the interviewer “fawning”.

  31. Thanks Peacewisher. I will have to steel myself to listen to it.

  32. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    Just to GIVE THE LIE to the assertion frequently made by MARY and other ISRAEL DENIERS that the UK govt is biased in favour of Israel and against the Palestinians, here is the text of statement issued by Foreign Secretary WILLIAM HAGUE thid very day, 17 April 2014:

    “The UK condemns the decisions taken by the Israeli authorities to change the status of a significant amount of land around the illegal settler outpost of Netiv Ha’avot and to create a new settlement in Hebron. Settlements are illegal and an obstacle to peace, and these decisions detract from on-going efforts to deliver a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The only path to peace is through negotiations.”.

    Source: FCO website.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    There you go, Mary and other Israel deniers, put that in your pipe and smoke it! :)

  33. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    Mary

    After you’ve steeled yourself and listened, perhaps you will then tell us why you rushed in to call Sir Roderic Lyne an “establishment stooge”?

    I notice you are quick with the insults and accusations, but somewhat slower to justify or back them up. Cowardly or ignorant?

  34. Craig

    Mary thinks that Sir Roderic Lyne is rather too close to “Da Management”.

    She further thinks that Sir Tony Brenton is of rather more independent mind.

    I’d say that their careers after FCO are rather divergent.

    Sir Roderic seems to have plumped for, shall we say Atlanticist employ, whilst Sir Tony seems more content in academic pursuits and advising a large British mutual.

    Have you a view?

    Sir Roderic was an Eton chappie, and a rather poor scholar, if that helps.

    Again though I think we see that recurring divide between those who favour a unipolar world against those who’d prefer a multipolar arrangement.

    Funny the way this fundamental dispute isn’t made much of in media.

  35. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Herbie

    What would you see as the benefits and advantages – for the UK and its citizens (as yourself)- of a “multipolar” world as opposed to a “unipolar” one?

  36. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    Herbie

    “Sir Roderic was.. a rather poor scholar, if that helps.”
    ____________________

    Where do you get that one from? According to Wikipedia, he got poor A level results but was a good student at university. Leeds University, by the way, not Oxbridge – a fact that I should have thought would endear him to you.

    All should read his entire page on Wikipedia: dishonest as so often, Mary carefully selected only those bits which she thought would most discredit him in the eyes of the other Eminences. He’s a good guy.

  37. Yes Mary, I also heard the plummy Lyne pontificating about Russia. We told them what to do, join the status quo of the international community, and they didn’t listen.

    Alhamdulillah I am not part of the status quo, whoever they are and whatever they own. They don’t own me. even if they do pay the mosque to bug my mobile phone.

  38. No not cowardly or ignorant. Possessor of the characteristics of a lion and very well informed. :)

  39. This will shock the t—-ls. Something good being said about President Assad and in the Torygraph. Zut alors!.

    Syria: As the bombs fall, the people of Damascus rally round Bashar al-Assad
    The West may oppose Assad’s regime, but on the streets of the capital the people fear a greater evil
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10770311/Syria-As-the-bombs-fall-the-people-of-Damascus-rally-round-Bashar-al-Assad.html

  40. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 7:58 pm

    “Zut alors!.”
    ______________________

    No one says that in France these days. You’ve been watching too many repeats of ‘Allo ‘allo.

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  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:06 pm

    Mary

    “No not cowardly or ignorant. Possessor of the characteristics of a lion and very well informed.”
    _________________-

    Then prove it to your avid readers by telling them exactly why you think Roderic Lyne’s an “establishment stooge”. :)

  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:09 pm

    Guano

    “I also heard the plummy Lyne…”
    ____________-

    That mention of “plummy” reminded me of something I’d been meaning to ask you. Do you drink a lot of prune juice? It could just be an explanation…

  44. Resident Dissident

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:21 pm

    “Do you believe that Putin is the world’s richest leader?”

    He is certainly a liar about his income however – his declared income on his public tax returns is less than the equivalent of £100k per annum. Masha Gessen’s book provides plenty of evidence regarding his personal financial wealth and even if it doesn’t make him the richest leader in the World (his fellow crook in Kazakhstan will be up there aa well)he is certainly a contender.

  45. Resident Dissident

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:27 pm

    @Mary

    The Russian side was given as “trying to destabilise the Ukraine”. I used to really think the BBC made an effort to be balanced.

    So who do you think all those balaclaved types, wearing very similar uniforms without insiginia, and well armed and drilled in Eastern Ukraine at the present are. Google and you can find the photos.

    Just a clue their uniform and equipment is very similar to the same types in Crimea.

  46. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:29 pm

    “Discussing this vote, I found – to my surprise – that even people outside the governing Ba’ath party, including some of Assad’s political opponents, said they would support him.”

    Shadows of Iraq, Mary. I guess the people recognize Assad is the best bad idea we have.

    I didn’t weep over Saddam’s demise, but in retrospect I think Iraq and the Region have suffered more from ousting a dicktator, than any rape room or evil prescribed by a tyrant’s rule.

  47. Resident Dissident

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/vladimir-putin-poorest-kremlin-official-declaration-shows-507483

    Those who believe this, will also believe everything that Vlad says – I should add that the number of Russians who believe this can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.

  48. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:33 pm

    Ah, yes. The regime change magic-bullet.

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/131023/two-years-after-gaddafi-libya-revolution-anniversary

    “Two years after the capture and death of dictator Muammar Gaddafi, a new saying has emerged in Libya: “Before we only had one Gaddafi, but now we have hundreds.”

    As GlobalPost chatted to locals in the streets of Tripoli, all complained of the current situation, but none openly showed any love of their former ruler.

    “I’m glad we got rid of Gaddafi of course, but it’s tough now,” said banker Taher Giuma. “Libya is ruled by militias who enforce their agenda on the government, but I hope it will improve in time.”

    Others drew comparisons between the old regime and the new.

    “There was a lot of talk during the revolution of change, but the new government do not do anything different,” said Radwan Smeda as he sat in Martyrs’ Square. “Before you couldn’t say anything bad about Gaddafi. Now you can’t accuse the rebels no matter what they do. It’s the same old system. Only the faces have changed.”

  49. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:42 pm

    Zionists going full Jihadist.

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/04/settlers-christian-village.html

    “Just weeks before Pope Francis’ first official visit to the Holy Land, a number of Christian holy sites in Israel and Palestine have been targeted in ‘price tag’ attacks by the radical Israeli settler movement. These attacks have been increasing since 2008.
    Just weeks before Pope Francis’ first official visit to the Holy Land – the first Papal visit in 50 years – a number of Christian holy sites in Israel and Palestine have been targeted in ‘price tag’ attacks by the radical Israeli settler movement. The most recent attack occurred at the Our Lady at Deir Rafat Monastery located on the site of the depopulated former Arab village of the same name, north-west of the Israeli city of Beit Shemesh. The graffiti, sprayed in Hebrew on the outer walls of the Monastery, read ‘Jesus is an ape and Mary is a cow’, to which the Latin (Catholic) Patriarch of Jerusalem, Fouad Twal, responded, ‘I don’t believe this is a proper way to receive the Holy Father here next month.’ However, this is only the latest in what the UN High Commission reported was a 150% increase in ‘price tag’ attacks since 2008, with over 788 registered attacks from 2012-2013.

  50. @Resident-Dissident That was my quote, not Mary’s. If you had listened to radio 4 this morning and were anything like of independent mind you’d have seen it as biased. They may be “pro-Russian” or they may be “anti-Kiev” but they are not Russian. Channel 4 tracked one of the balaclava-clad to hospital after he was injured, and later interviewed him. He was clearly Ukrainian. Thank goodness Channel 4 is not as bias as the BBC, which does now appear to be edited by neo-cons.

    Thank goodness Kerry and Ashton weren’t similarly looking to raise the anti and achieved a remarkable agreement with Lavrov this afternoon.

  51. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    Of course, we shouldn’t assume Putin could be bested by neo-nazis in their blood feuds.

    We have many examples of how evil dicktators produce a panacea for progress when they are removed.

  52. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:04 pm

    I expect some pushback on Zios from Cameron; him being a good christian, and all.

    http://www.leftfootforward.org/2014/04/camerons-christianity-is-sanitised-and-shallow/#more-82967

    “Presumably Cameron and his aides have had a little chat and realised that around this time of year small ‘c’ conservatives are thinking a little more about Christianity than they ordinarily would. And they’ve decided, as they do most years, that it might be a good idea to reinforce their leader’s claims to being a man of religious depth.
    Speaking as a Christian and a student of religion who disagrees profoundly with the spirit of Cameron’s premiership so far, I have some serious theological problems with what he’s had to say.
    Of course, Cameron’s right that religion can ‘help people to have a moral code’. He’s probably also right that non-believers and hardline secularists may underestimate the importance of this for the health of society (though some would inevitably also say that it is precisely this ‘moral code’ that is the problem).
    One of the places where Cameron has pointed people this Easter for Christianity’s ‘moral code’, though, is Jesus instruction to ‘love thy neighbour’. And here he is a little… weak.”

  53. RD as confused as ever. Wonder how many other blogs they have to patro

    ~~~

    In sharp contrast to the Oborne piece on Syria, we discover that Mr Zionist Harper has a plan afoot, in fact several.

    As children in post war Britain, we were led to hold Canada in high esteem. Part of the Commonwealth they had come to our aid in large numbers. There was much imagery including handsome Mounties in red and navy.
    http://assets.hightimes.com/royal-canadian-mounted-police-marijuana.jpg

    All Empire and decency and the beautiful maple leaf. Now it is a rotten imitation of that federation to its south where goodness and principle are rare amongst those with power. And we all know why and say it.

    Canada Plans to Invade Syria

    The pro-Israeli government of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper is making diplomatic and military preparations for military intervention in Syria, leaked documents show.

    Canada’s National Defense has drawn up at least five scenarios for the country’s military mission in Syria, according to documents obtained by the Ottawa Citizen.

    /..
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/canada-plans-to-invade-syria/5378030

    Incredible.

  54. …..patrol and police.

  55. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:27 pm

  56. We should all hope so, Joker. The alternative (money war) will be pretty bad Economically for both Europe and the US.

    Kerry has done good. The stumbling block with be the Eastern Ukrainians who have been so outraged by activities in Kiev in recent months that that won’t retreat until the last neo-fascist is purged from the Ukrainian parliament.

  57. Mary.

    Exploitation through-
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony

  58. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:41 pm

    “We should all hope so, Joker…”

    We can hope in one hand, and shite in the other, then wait to see which fills first. I don’t trust the useful idiot, beyond his mindless gaffes, as gaffes.

  59. John Pilger

    Nato’s action plan in Ukraine is right out of Dr Strangelove
    From China to Ukraine, the US is pursuing its longstanding ambition to dominate the Eurasian landmass
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/17/nato-ukraine-dr-strangelove-china-us
    17 April 2014

    John Stanton

    FIDO and General Wes Clark in Ukraine
    US Advisors on the Ground, Deadly Messenger
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/04/fido-and-general-wes-clark-in-ukraine/
    16 April 2014

    FIDO = Foreign Internal Defense Operations

  60. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:54 pm

    “In 1964, the year Dr Strangelove was made, “the missile gap” was the false flag. To build more and bigger nuclear weapons and pursue an undeclared policy of domination, President John F Kennedy approved the CIA’s propaganda that the Soviet Union was well ahead of the US in the production of intercontinental ballistic missiles. This filled front pages as the “Russian threat”. In fact, the Americans were so far ahead in production of the missiles, the Russians never approached them. The cold war was based largely on this lie.”

    I remember the 80′s when Reagan was pushing the MX missile which he double-speak renamed ‘Peacekeeper”

    He used pictures of ancient USSR missiles with massive hydrogen powered missiles and compared them to our smaller but more powerful sold-fuel stages to make the enemy appear larger than reality. It’s an old strategy.

  61. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:56 pm

    I somehow feel some sympathy for our local Authoritarians who must defuse the evidence. :)

  62. Yup. Looks like Putin wins again:

    ““It calls for an immediate commencement of a broad national dialogue which must be inclusive, transparent and accountable,” he said.

    Lavrov stressed that measures to disarm illegal armed groups and free seized buildings would apply to all regions of Ukraine without exception.

    “The measures we have stated concern all regions of Ukraine without exception and all problematic questions without exception,” he said.”

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/728551

    Interesting chap this, Andrii Deshchytsia, who represented the Kiev govt, in his capacity as acting Foreign Minister designate.

    Seems he’s a career diplomat:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrii_Deshchytsia

    Machine back firmly in control then, eh.

  63. “We can hope in one hand, and shite in the other, then wait to see which fills first. I don’t trust the useful idiot, beyond his mindless gaffes, as gaffes.”

    Another one for the downstairs loo

  64. Not quite, Herbie…

    It will be interesting to see Svboda (sp?) getting voluntarily disarmed…

  65. Details are starting to leak, but what is really needed is a another brave whistleblower;

    http://www.alternet.org/world/5-explosive-revelations-leaked-senate-report-exposing-cia-torture?page=0%2C0&paging=off%A4t_page%3D1

  66. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Ah…regime change.

    Baghdad now WORLD’S WORST city.

    http://news.yahoo.com/once-arab-model-baghdad-now-worlds-worst-city-171513551.html

    A trillion dollars in gold, and countless pints of human blood. How long before we can flatten the learning curve?

  67. Snap Ben ! I just posted that link on the previous thread !

    Anyhow, there’s another;

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/04/16/most-reported-deaths-in-syria-have-not-been-committed-by-assad-regime/

  68. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 11:15 pm

    Macky;

    “Update: This post should be absorbed along with the news that Syrian opposition fighters now have U.S.-made anti-tank missiles given to them by Saudi Arabia with Washington’s consent.”

    Because of the economics of warfare. It’s not personal; just bizness.

  69. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 11:17 pm

    Weird that we posted just minutes apart, Macky.

  70. A couple more;

    Pity there wasn’t any Swedes on Yashika Bageerathi’s recent deportation flight;

    http://rudaw.net/english/world/16042014

    The Government making full use of the truthism of Dead Men Don’t Talk;

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/16/us-britain-iraq-inquiry-idUSBREA3F1IE20140416

  71. Ben; “Because of the economics of warfare. It’s not personal; just bizness”

    Putin should try the same line, and maybe match every new weapon supplied to the anti-Government forces in Syria, with supplies to the anti-Coup protesters in Eastern Ukraine !

  72. “Deal Struck to Calm Ukraine Crisis” trumpets the BBC.

    Bullshit.

    The Yanks, and whatever proxies they are using, will be in there, beavering away. The Craft, or G4S, or even Right Sector goons, will do something nasty in Eastern Ukraine, there will be a reaction, and that way a little more civil strife will be sown.

    Such is the neocon method in the War on Terror (Phase 2). Shock and awe is so Roland Emmerich. A little more subtlety is now required to sustain the illusion of anything remotely akin to noble ends.

  73. Mike; “Bullshit”

    I agree; it’s not worth the paper it’s written on, and all that signed it, know that; just playing for time on all sides; so not that it actually means anything, but these under-reported aspects were part of the agreement;

    #1: Recognition of Crimea as Russia
    #2: Gas and debt payments by Ukraine
    #3: Referendums, not just top-down “autonomy” from Kiev

  74. BrianFujisan

    18 Apr, 2014 - 1:29 am

    Great posts n links n Info floating around..Cheers all…

    Some more from Mark’s excellent post @ 3;03 pm 17th….

    The danger for Russia is that the Russian government will rely on diplomacy, international organizations, international cooperation, and on the common sense and self-interest of German politicians and politicians in other of Washington’s European puppet states.

    For Russia this could be a fatal mistake. There is no good will in Washington, only mendacity. Russian delay provides Washington with time to build up forces on Russia’s borders and in the Black Sea and to demonize Russia with propaganda and whip up the US population into a war frenzy. The latter is already occurring.

    Kerry has made it clear to Lavrov that Washington is not listening to Russia. As Washington pays well, Washington’s European puppets are also not listening to Russia. Money is more important to European politicians than humanity’s survival.

    In my opinion, Washington does not want the Ukraine matters settled in a diplomatic and reasonable way. It might be the case that Russia’s best move is immediately to occupy the Russian territories of Ukraine and re-absorb the territories into Russia from whence they came. This should be done before the US and its NATO puppets are prepared for war. It is more difficult for Washington to start a war when the objects of the war have already been lost. Russia will be demonized with endless propaganda from Washington whether or not Russia re-absorbs its traditional territories. If Russia allows these territories to be suppressed by Washington, the prestige and authority of the Russian government will collapse. Perhaps that is what Washington is counting on.

    Full Piece as Mark’s link Above @

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38236.htm

    And Then This ….

    Open letter to President Obama

    You know very well that Russia has never stated it was going to invade Eastern Ukraine and you know very well that Russian troop movements inside Russia are Russia’s business, and not yours. Mind your own business, while you maintain torture camps and thousands of armed personnel overseas, and what has Ukraine to do with you? Does it share a frontier with the USA? Or has the arms lobby told you to set up a NATO base there so that Ukraine can contribute 2% of its GDP, like the other NATO member states which last year spent some 1.2 trillion USD on NATO weaponry/administrative costs?

    1.2 trillion USD in one year, four times more than it would take to eradicate endemic poverty, worldwide, forever. And your political epitaph is what, exactly? The one who supported terrorists and Fascists to spread the interests of the lobbies you are too damned weak to stand up against, thereby letting down every single woman and man who has supported you?

    You also know very well that this Fascist Junta in Kiev being illegal, and the removal of the elected President being illegal, only a Government headed by President Viktor Yanukovich has any authority in Ukraine and in the absence of this, the authority in the Crimea was and is the Assembly, which had every right to organize a free and fair referendum on the status of the Crimea. 97 per cent of the voters wanted to return home to Russia. It is called Democracy, Mr. President, so what have you against that?

    Finally, Mr. President, take a trip to the Donbas area of Ukraine, in fact walk around all over Eastern Ukraine, then come back here and tell me if Russia needs to send any agents into the area to fight for their rights over the Fascist Junta which seized power in Kiev. Of course it doesn’t, they are perfectly capable of standing up for themselves, as Ukrainian citizens, living in a Ukraine which respects their rights in a Federative State. That is all they ask for and Russia has never said or done anything to foment violence, instead Moscow has always called for a diplomatic solution whereas you, Mr. President, are the only one who has mentioned war, just as your country is the only one to have perpetrated an atomic terrorist attack on civilians. Twice. And after the Japanese Government had offered your country the same terms it accepted at the peace agreement, as you know, or should know.

    See, the ones you support in the Ukraine are the ones calling for the death of these citizens, the ones Moscow supports are innocent civilians trying to protect themselves against death threats, trying to stave off a massacre, and simply calling on the Government to hear them and protect them.

    Your Government wants them massacred by the Fascist Junta? Russia’s Government wants your Fascist Junta to guarantee their human rights. The bottom line is, after Iraq, after Abu Ghraib, after Guantanmo, after Libya, after Syria and the demonic hordes Washington supports, there is no high moral horse for you to ride into town on, Mr. President. You know it, we know it, so how about that C word, Change?

    The Russian Federation has annexed nobody as you know, the Russian Federation poses a threat to no-one, as you know. So why do you repeat the lies every time you open your mouth? How about less propaganda, less rhetoric, less hype, less hysteria, less intrusion, less spreading hatred and more dialogue and more respect?

    Now that you have sided openly with Fascists, now that you have sided openly with terrorists in several theatres of war, now that you have sided with or identified yourself with torturers, now that you stand side-by-side with your country’s torture and concentration camps, where citizens are detained for a decade without right to due legal process (and you call yourself a lawyer?), now that you side with those who call for, or are supported by those who call for, the death of Russians and Jews, I believe the ball is in your court, Mr. President.

    by… Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey @

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/17-04-2014/127391-letter_obama-0/

    Lastly some more From J. Pilger -

    So there you have it. The United States government is so overwhelmingly corrupt that even the financial regulatory agencies have been corrupted by the money of the private capitalists they are supposed to regulate.

    America the corrupted. That is what we have become.

    Not even Vladimir Putin understands how totally corrupt and insensitive to humanity Washington is.

    Putin’s response to the Ukraine crisis created by Washington’s coup in Kiev is to rely on

    “Russia’s Western partners,” the UN, the Obama regime, John Kerry, etc., to work out a reasonable solution to the crisis.

    Putin’s hope for a diplomatic solution is unrealistic. The NATO governments are bought-and-paid-for by Washington. For example, Germany is not a country. Germany is a mere piece of Washington’s empire. The German government will do as Washington says.The German government represents Washington’s agenda. The European governments to whom Putin is speaking are not listening.

    Paul Wolfowitz, the neoconservative who as Deputy Secretary of Defense presided over the orchestration of the false evidence used by the Bush regime to launch Washington’s wars in the Middle East, declared the minimization of Russian power as the “first objective” of US foreign and military policy:

    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

    What Wolfowitz means by “hostile power” is any power independent of Washington’s hegemony.

    Washington overthrew the elected Ukraine government in order to orchestrate a crisis that would distract Russia from Washington’s adventures in Syria and Iran and in order to demonize Russia as an invader rebuilding an empire that is a danger to Europe. Washington will use this demonization in order to break-up growing economic relationships between Russia and Europe. The purpose of sanctions is not to punish Russia, but to break up economic relationships.

    Washington’s strategy is audacious and brings risk of war. If the West had an independent media, Washington’s plan would fail. But instead of a media, the West has a Ministry of Propaganda.

    Full piece @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/privatization-is-a-ramp-for-corruption-and-insouciance-is-a-ramp-for-war/5378208

  75. BrianFujisan

    18 Apr, 2014 - 2:56 am

    Here’s A Brilliant Piece by Finian Cunningham

    On Ukraine, Putin said:

    “Instead of realizing that something has gone wrong in the Ukrainian state and making attempts to start dialogue, they [the Western-backed junta in Kiev] have intensified their threats to use force and have even decided to send tanks and aircraft against the civilian population. It is another very serious crime on the part of the current Kiev authorities”.

    It is only Western rulers and their pliant news media that seem to have a problem with relating to such unequivocal reality. Obama and his ilk twist reality by accusing Putin of violating Ukraine’s sovereignty – this after the American government helped bring neo-Nazi paramilitaries to power in Kiev through murderous street violence and occupations. Britain’s Foreign Secretary William Hague this week accuses Russia of pushing Ukraine to “the brink”, while the French government is adding its support for imposing further provocative diplomatic sanctions against Moscow. Such people are living in a parallel universe, and most ordinary citizens around the world are increasingly becoming aware of their appalling irrationality.

    It is only the patronage of Western governments and their news media that lends this chauvinist junta a veneer of legitimacy, even while it is declaring war on its people.

    As Putin said in his televised nationwide interview:

    “Order in the country [Ukraine] can be established only through a dialogue, in the course of democratic procedures, rather than through the use of the armed forces, tanks, and warplanes”.

    There is a strong sense that Putin may be far too decent with regard to the Kiev mob. But it is Putin’s civility and common sense that has seen him winning over public opinion, nationally and internationally.

    Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize warrior and Assassin-in-Chief whose name has become a byword for liar, told American media earlier this week. “What we do need is a recognition that countries like Ukraine can have relationships with a whole range of their neighbours and it is not up to anybody, whether it is Russia or the United States or anybody else, to make decisions for them”.
    Well, empty platitudes aside, that is exactly what the US has done in Ukraine by fomenting violence in Kiev from the end of last November until the coup in February and is doing now by bestowing a completely illegitimate and illegal junta with the false nomenclature of “government of Ukraine”.

    This week too, Samantha Power, the American ambassador to the United Nations, echoed the distortion by telling the Security Council that Russia was subverting eastern Ukraine: “We know who is behind this. Indeed the only entity in the area capable of coordinating these professional military actions is Russia”.
    This sounds rather like the voice of guilty conscience speaking out about its own dark and dirty secrets.

    Despite her assured tone, Power’s lack of evidence regarding Russia amounted to fanciful speculation, which the Russian envoy Vitaly Churkin duly noted and derided as “phantom chasing”.

    THIS IS THE SAME Samantha Power.. who last August ( “ASSURED” ) THE WORLD that her country had “conclusive proof” that Syrian government forces had used chemical weapons to kill hundreds of its citizens. Power was urging back then for US military strikes against Syria in response. We are still waiting to see American “conclusive proof” for that warmongering claim, while substantial counter-evidence has in fact since emerged to show that the culprits for the atrocity were actually US-backed militants in Syria.

    Every time, it seems, that Western political leaders and their media make bombastic claims, it is subsequently shown to be fabrication, deception, lies or arrant nonsense. No wonder the Western public is deserting them en masse.
    They have lied about wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. That makes these wars criminal aggressions and huge crimes against humanity. They lie about the reasons for why the US and its allies kill people every week with assassination drones in Somalia and Yemen and with criminal trade sanctions imposed for bogus pretexts on Iran.

    Finian Cunningham @

    http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/putin-stands-out-as-a-real-world-leader-by-finian-cunningham/#more-161107

  76. Habbabkuk,

    Oh dear Habba,you eternal fool you…

    Surely you must realise the only thing Yeltsin had hidden away was bottles of vodka??

    Usually hiddenbehind filing cabinets,in his airing cupboards and in the footwell of his Zill…

    Surely even a paid for fool like you Habba understands that hmm??

  77. Brian I hope you don’t mind a correction to your 1.29am post with its good links. The last one http://www.globalresearch.ca/privatization-is-a-ramp-for-corruption-and-insouciance-is-a-ramp-for-war/5378208 was by Paul Craig Roberts and not John Pilger.

    I look at Dandelion Salad too. Nice little site.

  78. BrianFujisan

    18 Apr, 2014 - 5:20 am

    Mary

    Thank You..i Knew i fucked up somewhere… i thought i had seen reff from you to j.p up threads….and after much work left the page here.. tried to correct..too Late….Had go over the Whole effin post again….

    Mods – ALCANON’S Edit Button

    Anyway..rather you correcting Me Mary…Than the creepy things…:)

  79. Brian.

    Mind your p’s and q’s when in company of a lady! Please.

  80. Correctionn to my Post @11.39pm, as it seems I was misinformed about what was agreed; instead these seems to be the main points;

    1) Kiev has agreed to negotiate with the East.
    2) All illegal armed groups will have to disarm (that was already agreed between Yanukovich and the EU).
    3) OSCE monitors will be dispatched to the East to monitor the situation.
    4) Kiev has committed to legal reforms for greater autonomy.
    5) The Crimea has not even been discussed.
    6) The EU has accepted Putin’s proposal to discuss gas deliveries.
    7) Nobody will face prosecution except for major crimes.

  81. And Kerry threw this in to stir the pot.

    April 17, 2014

    GENEVA (Reuters) – U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Thursday that Jews in a city in eastern Ukraine had been ordered to register with the authorities, calling the idea intolerable.

    “Just in the last couple of days, notices were sent to Jews in one city indicating that they had to identify themselves as Jews … or suffer the consequences,” Kerry told reporters. “This is not just intolerable, it’s grotesque.”

    (Reporting By Arshad Mohammed; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)
    http://www.vagazette.com/news/sns-rt-us-ukraine-crisis-kerry-jews-20140417,0,1617822.story

    Dealt with here in a post by the Medialens editors.
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1397805394.html

    Yatseniuk knew of the order. I understand there are many Jews in the Ukraine, and apart from that very small plutocratic section, they are well assimilated. Divisions are always being triggered, just as Gove has sent Clarke, late ACC Met i/c counter-terrorism, to Birmingham to inquire into ‘islamic extremism’ in the schools there.

  82. Resurrection and Israeli Restrictions: Easter in Jerusalem

    Occupied East Jerusalem is the center of Palestinian celebrations, whether Easter or Ramadan. Freedom of religion and freedom of movement are basic human rights enshrined in international law. However, since 1967, successive Israeli governments have developed a number of policies aimed at directly and indirectly force the people from their land.

    For billions of Christians worldwide, the holy week of Easter is an opportunity to celebrate, pray and remember Jerusalem. Easter is supposed to be a time of hope and joy. But for hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Christians, the first Christian community, the reality today is one of oppression and discrimination. Of these Christians, who are the centuries-old inhabitants of this land, only a tiny minority are able to celebrate in Jerusalem.

    Please find our latest fact sheet in the following link.
    http://www.nad-plo.org/userfiles/file/fact%20sheets/FACTSHEET_Easter_2014.pdf

    For More Information About Palestinian Christian Preparations for Easter, please contact:

    · Fr. Jamal Khader – Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Jerusalem) – 0599 762 220

    · Fr. Ibrahim Shomali – Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Bethlehem Area) – 0598 903 785

    · Fr. Firas Aridah – Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Ramallah Area) – 0599 325 957

    · Fr. Johnny Abu Khalil – Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Nablus and northern West Bank) – 0597 420 450

    · Yusef Daher – Jerusalem Inter Church Center: 050 554 51 79.

    Have a Happy Easter!

    By e-mail from the Palestinian Ambassador to the UK.

  83. Resident Dissident

    18 Apr, 2014 - 9:51 am

    “But for hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Christians, the first Christian community, the reality today is one of oppression and discrimination.”

    Of course not of all the oppression and discrimination is carried out by the Isreali authorities is it Mary?

  84. Question is why is the very undiplomatic Dipolmat Kerry, so keen to scaremonger & demonise using an obvious hoax registration story;

    “Novosti Donbassa speculated that the men involved were provocateurs who “tried to provoke a conflict, then to blame the attack on separatists.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.585897

  85. Did D Millipede engineer this appointment for E Millipede?

    Ed Miliband signs up top Obama adviser David Axelrod for UK election
    US president’s right-hand man, who masterminded back-to-back election wins, to sharpen Labour party focus on inequality
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/17/ed-miliband-david-axelrod-adviser-2015-election

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Axelrod

  86. ‘Herbie vaunts Nasser and De Gaulle, and then when I point to their singular lack of success’

    Habba- apropos De Gaulle, so this is your definition of ‘singular lack of success eh ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960s_in_France

    Who in your view were the most ‘successful’ leaders of their countries in the second half of the last century, and how do their achievements compare with those of De Gaulle ?

    Answers on a postcard please to-

    Mr Brennan
    Langley VA
    Zip Code 666

  87. As it is in the UK, so it is in Australia.

    Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs and Macquarie Capital appointed for Medibank Private float
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/deutsche-bank-goldman-sachs-and-macquarie-capital-appointed-for-medibank-private-float-20140417-36urw.html

    Macquairie collared Thames Water.

    http://www.macquarie.co.uk/mgl/uk

  88. The rape of Libya contd

    Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) will seek to have a $1 billion lawsuit by the Libyan Investment Authority thrown out before trial.

    The bank will ask a London judge to decide whether the case has a realistic chance of success and issue a so-called summary judgment, according to court documents released this week. Libya’s sovereign wealth fund says Goldman made about $350 million selling investments that turned out to be worthless.

    The LIA said in a statement it “considers this application to be misconceived and looks forward to full and proper determination of all issues by the English court.”

    /..

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/goldman-sachs-to-seek-early-dismissal-of-libya-wealth-fund-suit.html

    Yet GS attempt to wriggle out. They did the same thing to Greece.

    I hope a non compliant judge hears the case.

    Yet the Libyans continue to trust the vultures with £11billion of their assets. Amazing.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/libya-wealth-fund-to-entrust-11-billion-to-fund-managers.html

    What a swamp of greed and deceit GS, SG and the others operate.

  89. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    Fred
    17 Apr, 2014 – 8:35 am

    @A Node
    “Only you could take an article that puts Putin at the top of a list of world leaders by wealth and decide it says he isn’t.”

    Fred, don’t believe everything you read just because you want to believe it.

    They tried it with Fidel Castro:

    In 2005, American business and financial magazine Forbes listed Castro among the world’s richest people, with an estimated net worth of $550 million.

    The estimates claimed that the Cuban leader’s personal wealth was nearly double that of Britain’s Queen Elizabeth II, despite evidence from diplomats and businessmen that the Cuban leader’s personal life was notably austere.

    Forbes later increased the estimates to $900 million, adding rumors of large cash stashes in Switzerland.

    The magazine offered no proof at all of this information.

    Of course it was all entirely bogus – the bunk methodology they used was based on the lie that Fidel Castro owns everything in the entire country of Cuba. Even in their article they admitted their “estimate” was “more art than science” — or in other words, bullshit.

    http://amte.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/is-fidel-castro-one-of-the-richest-men-in-the-world/

    And they tried it with Hugo Chaves:

    Analysts say Leftist leader had ‘amassed private fortune of $2 billion’ – Dailymail.co.uk

    http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/15278/did-hugo-chavez-have-a-net-worth-of-2-billion-dollars-at-the-time-of-his-death

    That too was bullshit.

  90. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 3:45 pm

    ESLO
    17 Apr, 2014 – 12:55 pm

    “Sod international law – its the Russian Federation Council that counts.”

    UN Security Council and the military coalition in Libya acted in contravention of international law in its use of force against Libya

    The war in Afghanistan was illegal under international law

    The war in Iraq was illegal under international law

    The annexation by Israel of the Golan Heights was illegal under international law as are all the settlements and outposts in the West Bank

    The Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara was illegal under international law

    My Lai Massacre was a war crime under international law

    I could go on…

  91. @Doug, don’t forget also the illegal NATO attack on Serbia;

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/04/a-15-year-murder-spree/

  92. “Doug Scorgie:

    “They tried it with Fidel Castro …. bullshit.
    ….
    And they tried it with Hugo Chaves …. that too was bullshit.”

    …. and they tried it with Gaddafi …..

    “Reporting from Washington — Moammar Kadafi secretly salted away more than $200 billion in bank accounts, real estate and corporate investments around the world before he was killed, about $30,000 for every Libyan citizen and double the amount that Western governments previously had suspected, according to senior Libyan officials.”
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/21/world/la-fg-kadafi-money-20111022

    …. more bullshit – grudgingly debunked by, surprisingly, Forbes:

    “As such, while agencies of Gadhafi’s regime administered the funds in question, the vast majority of those assets were never owned directly by Gadhafi or members of his family. Just as governments from Australia to South Korea maintain sovereign wealth funds, so too did Libya under Gadhafi, established for the purpose of diversifying the profits flowing from Libya’s state-controlled oil producers.”
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/edwindurgy/2011/10/25/did-moammar-gadhafi-die-the-richest-man-in-the-world/

  93. @Macky re Kerry.

    I honestly thought he was referring to the neo-fashs in Kiev. Now I’ve read this article in The Guardian…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/antisemitic-donetsk-peoples-republic-ukraine-hoax

    I understand your outrage.

    The one thing that was putting people – including Jews – off the Kiev Junta was the fact that they had (have) raging Anti-Semitics among their number. This is a lie, but it will surely confuse.

    I heard an incredibly sneaky news report on radio 5 earlier today. Two factual pieces presented in rapid succession. These were unrelated, but put one after the other to make it look as if Putin was behaving unacceptably again. Do they really think their listeners are that stupid?

    I think they (whoever “they” are) are trying to discredit the Eastern Ukranians the way they discredited the Serbs re Serbia/Kosovo back in 1999. We know what happened next… and it was shameful that Barry George was stitched up. Those were dark days.

  94. “Fred, don’t believe everything you read just because you want to believe it.”

    Look Doug I couldn’t care less. I’m not the fanatical one either way. I saw it, it was relevant, so I posted it.

    Might I suggest you don’t not believe things because you want to not believe them.

  95. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 6:13 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    17 Apr, 2014 – 6:31 pm

    “…assertion frequently made by MARY and other ISRAEL DENIERS…”

    Firstly Habbabkuk, what is an Israel denier? The term doesn’t make sense.

    Secondly, William Hague’s statement is the “official” position of the UK and he has to say this as Israel’s actions are illegal under international law.

    You wouldn’t expect him to congratulate the Israeli government would you?

    (you Parus major)

  96. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    Resident Dissident
    17 Apr, 2014 – 8:21 pm

    “Masha Gessen’s book provides plenty of evidence regarding his personal financial wealth…”

    “Plenty of evidence! Please enlighten us with some extracts ResDis.

    By the way:
    Her 2012 book The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin is a political biography of Vladimir Putin, whom she describes as a dictator

    She might be a bit biased against Putin don’t you think?

  97. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 6:40 pm

    Resident Dissident
    17 Apr, 2014 – 8:32 pm

    “Those who believe this, will also believe everything that Vlad says…”

    No one on this blog is stupid enough to believe that.

  98. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 7:45 pm

    Macky
    18 Apr, 2014 – 10:01 am

    “Question is why is the very undiplomatic Dipolmat Kerry, so keen to scaremonger & demonise using an obvious hoax registration story…”

    I agree Macky, a pretty obvious false flag.

  99. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 7:46 pm

    Fred
    18 Apr, 2014 – 6:08 pm

    “Fred, don’t believe everything you read just because you want to believe it.”

    “Look Doug I couldn’t care less. I’m not the fanatical one either way. I saw it, it was relevant, so I posted it.”

    You posted it Fred because you believed it without question.

    The word pillock springs to mind.

  100. “You posted it Fred because you believed it without question.”

    Didn’t see any reason not to. Still don’t.

    The word pillock springs to mind.

    Fuck off retard.

  101. Hague was warning British nationals not to go to Syria because it is dangerous! He was the one advocating war on Syria and sending in British nationals to put their boots on the ground.

    This followed a rant against Assad by the father of the teenager from Brighton who has been killed. His son is a martyr. More of that nonsense.

    British Teen Killed In Syria ‘No Danger’ To UK
    The family of Abdullah Deghayes, who died fighting alongside his brother in Syria, say the 18-year-old is a martyr.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1244929/british-teen-killed-in-syria-no-danger-to-uk

  102. “more bullshit – grudgingly debunked by, surprisingly, Forbes:”

    What do Forbes say about Putin then?

    http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/president/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

  103. Sorry, that link doesn’t link to Forbs. Don’t know why it came top of a google search for “Putin wealth Forbs”.

  104. America Hands Off Eastern Ukraine
    http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/4/18/303444/default/v1/cegrab-
    20140418-172147-629-1-778×437.jpg

    Despite threats of “concrete action”, pro-Russian protesters in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Slavyansk have dug into their occupied civic buildings.

  105. “BLiar is in Spain”

    Local Twitter user says he’s staying at José María Aznar’s place in Benahavis:

    http://www.mettaestates.com/news/uncategorized/tony-blair-in-benahavis-marbella/

    Aznar, his father and grandfather were supporters of Franco’s fascists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Aznar

    Funny the way these fascists are on the rise all over Europe, with the blessing, connivance, encouragement and support of Western leaders.

    What can it all mean.

    Merkel needs to get her finger out and pivot away from the Atlanticists, and towards Eurasia, before they destroy the place. In which case of course, that choice will no longer be available.

    Here Putin outlines the choices, in front of an audience of neocons and non-alligned:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VokyM3YFo3Q

    For those who don’t like complicated political stuff, you can catch glimpses of his $70 billion dollar, solid gold, diamond encrusted, Patek Phillipe.

  106. Sofia Kibo Noh

    18 Apr, 2014 - 9:21 pm

    Is there anyone in the US executive who can walk down thr street and chew gum at the same time.?

    How many times do they have to try to fix countries by stiring conflicts, arming bloodthirsty fanatics then blowing up lots of stuff before they come to see that it doesn’t work?

    Let’s fix Iraq. Oops we broke it!

    Afghanistan needs our help. Oh no. That one broke too!

    We’ll fix Libya now. Shit! It broke again!

    We’ll fix Syria now. Oh. Fancy that! I wonder why it’s broken?

    Ah here’s Ukraine. Looks like it needs fixing…

  107. Remember Aznar in the Azores Herbie with BLiar, Bush and the repellent Barroso in March 2003? Being signed up for the Iraq war.

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bush,_Barroso,_Blair,_Aznar_at_Azores.jpg

    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%ADo_de_las_Azores

    What’s the Spanish for ‘birds of a feather, stick together’?

  108. Mary; “Hague was warning British nationals not to go to Syria because it is dangerous!”

    He’s obviously not trying too hard;

    http://www.novinite.com/articles/159919/Two+Thirds+of+Rebel+Fighters+In+Syria+Are+European+Citizens

  109. Just to get a flavor of Axelrod Mary @ 18 Apr, 2014 – 11:26 am and interpret that pretentious sideways grin, he wrote this last September:

    After Iraq, folks are justifiably weary and leery. But this isn’t Iraq. In plain sight, Assad’s committed mass murder with hideous weapons. No response would be a green light to Assad, Iran, Hezbollah and others that the U.S. and world will look the other way. Grave mistake. A targeted strike on their delivery systems is right, just and proportionate. Failure to act would be another tragic legacy of Iraq war.

    Axelrod weaves the oratory with overwhelming notes of hope and change, with soaring flights of rhetoric that are a continuum without the specifics of intention.

    Lurking within his recent NuLab post is a game plan, a contrivance to strengthen Anglo-American relations at community level, improve British grass-roots relations with Israel and prepare for a harsh relentless confrontation with Russia.

    Interestingly DA’s mother, Mrs Axelrod’s literary skills where used to prepare Izzy Stones’ account of travelling with the Haganah in his 1946 book ‘Underground to Palestine’ which describes the plight of Eastern European Jews trying to get to Israel.

    http://labourlist.org/2014/04/obama-veteran-david-axelrod-joins-labour-campaign-team/

  110. Thanks Mark. I will pass that info on.

  111. This follows on from the fiasco of the NHS Care Data flog off. Now HMRC. Outrageous.

    HMRC to sell taxpayers’ financial data
    • Firms could buy ‘anonymised’ financial details
    • Plan ‘borderline insane’ according to senior Tory MP

    Rowena Mason, political correspondent
    The Guardian, Friday 18 April 2014 19.04 BST

    The new legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including companies, researchers and public bodies where there is a public benefit. Photograph: Michael Kemp/Alamy

    The personal financial data of millions of taxpayers could be sold to private firms under laws being drawn up by HM Revenue & Customs in a move branded “dangerous” by tax professionals and “borderline insane” by a senior Conservative MP.

    Despite fears that it could jeopardise the principle of taxpayer confidentiality, the legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including companies, researchers and public bodies where there is a public benefit. According to HMRC documents, officials are examining “charging options”.

    /..

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/18/hmrc-to-sell-taxpayers-data

  112. CIA torture architect breaks silence to defend ‘enhanced interrogation’

    • James Mitchell ‘highly skeptical’ of Senate report on CIA torture
    • ‘It was not illegal based on the law at the time’
    • Mitchell said to have waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
    • Interview: ‘I’m just a guy who got asked to do something for his country’
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/cia-torture-architect-enhanced-interrogation

    ‘In an uncompromising and wide-ranging interview with the Guardian,
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/james-mitchell-cia-torture-interview
    his first public remarks since he was linked to the program in 2007, James Mitchell was dismissive of a Senate intelligence committee report on CIA torture in which he features, and which is currently at the heart of an intense row between legislators and the agency.

    The committee’s report found that the interrogation techniques devised by Mitchell, a retired air force psychologist, were far more brutal than disclosed at the time, and did not yield useful intelligence. These included waterboarding, stress positions, sleep deprivation for days at a time, confinement in a box and being slammed into walls.’

  113. @Herbie: Looks like the 1930s all over again. Hitler’s expansionist policies weren’t exactly criticised by European & US heads of state, and of course they turned a blind eye to atrocities like Guernica. US didn’t seem to bother too much about invasion of Poland.

    There is a difference this time, however. People have a voice too… and they are breaking down language barriers.

  114. The ever present stain on the World’s conscience;

    http://news.yahoo.com/cut-off-world-gazans-consumed-poverty-104515777.html

    Perhaps some future generations will look back in disbelieving horror, at this decades long toleration of, & sly acquiescence in, the inhumanity inflicted upon the Palestinian people.

  115. @Mary

    Why are we not surprised about profiting from personal data. It’s logical next step beyond reality TV. There are so many outrageous things being done to our once decent society.

    This will carry on until the people stop them Labour=Conservative=Libdem
    voting for any of these is just condoning it.

    Not sure whether UKIP have turned into a wildcard, but the greens look an increasingly good bet for the Euro elections.

  116. @Macky Perhaps future generations won’t have the freedom to even know about it.

  117. “Why are we not surprised about profiting from personal data.”

    As you say it’s logical, more efficient and more profitable to commodify every part of the animal:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13670184

    What’s satire. It’s got animals in it.

    Love this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBOi8nb5B6Q

  118. Mary @12.25pm
    Thank you for the links which I will read later

    This is my first post at Craig Murray’s blog, which I have followed now for a few years.

    I am fascinated by the recent revelations by Australian ex foreign minister Bob Carr, who was on the Board of Macquarie Bank when it bought Sydney Airport.

    Mr Carr was also Premier of NSW, which he ditched without warning, citing ‘family reasons’.

    While his latest revelations, especially the influence of the Israeli lobby on Australian politicians have me intrigued, I now feel more courageous about disseminating articles and comments to the latest NSW Premier, who has openly stated his intention to closely scrutinise ‘donations and gifts and lobbyists’.

    For those who don’t yet know, Premier of NSW Brian O’Farrell fell on his sword the day of Kate and Will’s arrival in Oz, due not only to his failure to declare a $3000 bottle of Grange Hermitage plonk, (gifted by someone who was after a favour re Water Holdings) but then vehemently denying such a thing to ICAC: until his hand-written Thank YOu note was presented as evidence.

    I have always hoped and prayed that Australia being ‘young and free’, we might learn from the mistakes and lessons of others.
    But over the past few years, once I recovered from SHOCK, I have come to accept that the PTB want it eternally their way-just like Frank Sinatra’s song.

  119. Sofia Kibo Noh

    19 Apr, 2014 - 12:53 am

    The Geneva agreement on Ukraine, translated,

    “…The talks in Geneva resulted in an agreement that is in favor of all that is good and opposed to all that is bad. That’s the basic gist of it; but what does that mean? Let’s translate this memorandum from the language of high diplomacy into the language of the Ukrainian crisis.

    Kiev’s government representative was invited to participate in his role as a potted plant—because there is nothing to discuss with him. On this all the participants were in complete agreement. That is, there is no government in Kiev, in the sense of an entity that exercises sovereign authority over the territory of Ukraine. This is understood equally well in Moscow, in Brussels and even in Washington. Thus, the actual talks were between USA+EU and Russia.

    Russia’s position is that Kiev doesn’t have a government, it has a God-only-knows-what. It makes no difference what they are called or who they are. They have no power and they control nothing. They do not control the economy, or energy, or the army, or the police, or even their supporters who are running around waving machine guns.

    The position of USA+EU: “That’s not true! There’s a perfectly nice government in Kiev, we made it ourselves, and we hold discussions and even sign agreements with them.”

    In view of the difference between these two positions, further discussion is pointless. Therefore, it is necessary to run an experiment and to establish a simple fact: are the dramatis personae in Kiev a government, or aren’t they?

    The authorities in Kiev have to prove themselves. To do that, they have to disarm and reign in their freaky supporters, grant amnesty to their opponents, and begin to exercise control over the army and the police. If they prove that they are in control, then it will possible to move to the next phase in resolving the crisis…”

    From, http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-geneva-agreement-on-ukraine.html#more

  120. I’ve avoided this until now but…

    Now that we are supposed to believe things are calming down – I thought it was time to finally add a Ukraine thread

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2014/04/19/ukraine-russia-the-west-and-what-comes-next/

    What comes next?

  121. Pepe Escobar goes behind the headlines and the spin. Some truths are told.

    On Nazis, Jews & Ukraine ‘de-escalation’

    April 18, 2014
    There are many potentially worrying signs in the ‘de-escalation’ process in theory agreed by the US, Russia, EU and Ukraine this Thursday in Geneva.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38265.htm

  122. Sofia Kibo Noh

    19 Apr, 2014 - 9:13 am

    Fresh from their famous Afghanistan project the US administration is kindly helping Ukraine in its fight against corruption and repatriation of stolen assets according to National Security Council spokesperson Caitlin Hayden. To that end, the US has sent a group of experts from the Treasury Department and the FBI to Ukraine. Their role is to consult the Ukrainian government on how to conduct an investigation and collect evidence.

    It seems they’ve got off to a flying start. Ukrainiane gold treasures repatriated to the US and EU nuclear wastre on it’s way to Ukraine.

    https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/

  123. Good old BBC, you can always rely on them for some demonising propaganda; they have even managed to find a Jewish lady asserting the Russia is committing “a new kind of genocide” !

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27086345

  124. Public meeting in Norwich with Ian Sinclair speaking about the politics of the Eastern Daily Press

    Is the media biased?

    19:00 on Tuesday 29 April 2014

    Vauxhall Centre, Johnson Place, Vauxhall Street, Norwich

    Speakers: Ian Sinclair, Journalist and Ian Gibson, former Norwich MP

    Ian Sinclair has carried out research into the politics of the local press. His pamphlet ‘The politics of the EDP’ will be available at the meeting.

    Public Meeting All welcome

    http://www.norwichstopwar.org.uk/index.php?title=Norwich_Stop_the_War_Coalition#IS_THE_MEDIA_BIASED.3F_Tue_29th_April.2C_7.00pm.2C_Vauxhall_Centre

    ~~~~~

    One for you there Nevermind?

    Reminder – Craig stood for election in 2009 in Ian Gibson’s former seat of Norwich North, now occupied by the white mark on a white wall Chloe Smith. The local press blanked Craig like the BBC.
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/06/i_am_standing_i/
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/07/bbc_prioritises/

    Poor old Craig. He’s been shafted so many times its a wonder he’s still staying strong.

  125. What was the point of this little exercise apart from showing off her nice legs?

    Humanizing a killing machine?
    Publicity for Boeing who make the Super Hornet?
    Promotion of the military industrial complex?

    William and Kate visit air force base in Queensland
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27086364

    I seem to remember he’s been seen in a cockpit on this tour too.

    What a lot of nonsense but good PR for her dress designers and the makers of royal baby clothes. The babe is being used like a trophy and a reminder to the Aussies that there are now three kings in waiting for them and us!

  126. Sofia Kibo Noh

    19 Apr, 2014 - 10:34 am

    Mary. 9 01am

    Thanks for the Pepe Escobar link.

    Time for the lands west of the Urals to wise up to Uncle Sam’s games. When it comes to patience and strategy I’d put my money on the guys who play chess on the street.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhzN4VTCcAA4ycQ.jpg

  127. Sofia Kibo Noh

    19 Apr, 2014 - 10:47 am

    Doesn’t basic topography doom the notion of Ukraine and the EU as part of a sustainable US empire?

    http://map-of-europe.us/topo-map.htm

    Any thoughts?

  128. Ffred
    18 Apr, 2014 – 8:22 pm

    “more bullshit – grudgingly debunked by, surprisingly, Forbes:”
    “What do Forbes say about Putin then?”

    Fred, you’re in denial open your eyes.

    There’s non so blind as those who will not see.

  129. The BBC are still reporting this hoax as if it were true.

    “Posters demand Ukraine Jews ‘pay new tax or leave’”

    1 hour ago
    Posters and leaflets have appeared in Donetsk, Eastern Ukrainian, demanding Jews register, pay a new tax or leave, because of ‘their support for the Kiev government’.

    “The leaflets were signed by the pro-Russian group People’s Republic of Donetsk, but it says they are fake and designed to discredit Moscow’s supporters.”

    “The BBC has obtained CCTV footage that shows how leaflets were distributed. Around 15,000 Jews live in the city.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27086345

  130. Not with a US ring of missiles pointing at Eurasia Sofia. They need the Russian supplies of gas and then there’s the oil under the Arctic Sea. I grew up under the threat of nuclear war and will probably end my days in just the same way.

    http://rt.com/op-edge/washington-russian-roulette-missile-defense-831/

    Prof Chossudovsky on Global Research has probably got more on this.

    I like the cartoon of the bear incidentally. I hope Kerry and Obama appreciate that when an animal is threatened and cornered, it will attack.

  131. YouKnowMyName

    19 Apr, 2014 - 12:10 pm

    for those who have missed it, here’s a MediaLens blog post today about a Professor of economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, referring to the German TV analysis of the euroMaidan shootings, quoting from Prez Carter & Singapore PM Lee…. he even mentions a famous NSA mathematician – who sings about Atomic War!

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1397897000.html

  132. America has unique access to Britain’s Trident arming computers Mary – National security obviates confirmation that a preemptive plan to strike Russian even exists.

    Mark Golding – Children Of Conflict
    17 Apr, 2014 – 1:10 am

    ‘Ban the Bomb’ seems to be in revival – Now where is my dad’s (bless him) “Aldermaston to London” banner?

  133. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 12:56 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““…assertion frequently made by MARY and other ISRAEL DENIERS…”

    Firstly Habbabkuk, what is an Israel denier? The term doesn’t make sense.”
    ____________________

    It makes perfect sense to anyone who’s been following the threads over the past few weeks. An Israel denier – on this blog, at least – is someone who says that the State of Israel has no right to exist. In other words, you, Mary and a couple of others whose names thankfully escape me for the moment.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Secondly, William Hague’s statement is the “official” position of the UK and he has to say this as Israel’s actions are illegal under international law.

    You wouldn’t expect him to congratulate the Israeli government would you?”
    _________________

    Well, of course it’s the official position of the UK govt, for whom the Foreign Secretary speaks. He doesn’t “have” to say it, actually, he could just say nothing. The point was that sundry Eminences accuse the UK govt of bias towards the Israelis and of remaining silent in the face of Israeli violations of international law; Hague’s statement gives the lie to that claim. I should have thought that you’d be pleased he made it.

  134. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 12:57 pm

    Nevermind is another Israel denier. Bit unfortunate, that.

  135. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:00 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““Masha Gessen’s book provides plenty of evidence regarding his personal financial wealth…”

    “Plenty of evidence! Please enlighten us with some extracts ResDis.”
    _______________________

    I’ve told you before, Scorgie – stop being such a skinflint and go out to buy a book occasionally rather than asking others to read them for you. Or visit your local library. Support the book trade and your local lending library!

    (cue for rant about branch library closures…:) )

  136. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:04 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““Look Doug I couldn’t care less. I’m not the fanatical one either way. I saw it, it was relevant, so I posted it.”

    You posted it Fred because you believed it without question.”
    _______________________

    It might also be, of course, that Fred read it, thought about it, weighed it against other readings and sources and then came to the conclusion that it was correct and believable.

    I recommend such an approach, Doug – it might just make your own musings rather more credible.

  137. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:06 pm

    Mary

    “Hague was warning British nationals not to go to Syria because it is dangerous! He was the one advocating war on Syria and sending in British nationals to put their boots on the ground.”
    _______________________

    Two weighty charges. Credible links and sources for both, in full, please.

  138. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:10 pm

    Mary

    “BLiar is in Spain.

    http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2014/04/18/blair-family-spotted-taking-costa-del-sol-break/
    ______________________

    Thank you for that fascinating piece of information, Mary.

    Are you against holidays in general, or just foreign holidays, or just holidays for politicians (I seem to remember you snarking about a Cameron holiday abroad) or just holidays for the Blair family?

    Or, of course, any combination of the above.

  139. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    From Mark “Wait” Golding

    “Interestingly DA’s mother, Mrs Axelrod’s literary skills where used to prepare Izzy Stones’ account of travelling with the Haganah in his 1946 book ‘Underground to Palestine’ which describes the plight of Eastern European Jews trying to get to Israel.”

    to which Mary, all a-quiver, replies

    “Thanks Mark. I will pass that info on.”
    ________________________

    Oh my God, not another Wikipedia cut and paste from Mary, this time about David Axelrod’s Jewish origins?

    PS – no need to inform Stormfront, Mary, their readers are probably already aware.

  140. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    Mary thunders

    “Despite fears that it could jeopardise the principle of taxpayer confidentiality, the legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including…”
    __________________

    Just for her information, in Sweden every citizen’s income tax payments are a matter of PUBLIC record. I should have thought that she, and other Eminences, would be in favour of such a system on the UK?

  141. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    Mary

    “I like the cartoon of the bear incidentally. I hope Kerry and Obama appreciate that when an animal is threatened and cornered, it will attack.”
    ______________________

    Well, actually, bears will also attack when they’re hungry.

    Is Russia hungry?

  142. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:34 pm

    Awaiting comment from Mary about “nine in a row”, followed by her signature “tr…s”.

    Pls don’t disappoint!

  143. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:39 pm

    Hey, A Node

    I think the following, from the previous thread, must have escaped your attention:

    “Libya’s method of governance was direct democracy.

    Direct democracy is a form of democracy in which people decide policy initiatives directly, as opposed to a representative democracy in which people vote for representatives who then decide policy initiatives. …”
    _________________

    Interesting. I should like to learn more from the horse’s mouth. So could you perhaps list a few of the policy initiatives which were decided by the people directly? Just a handful would do, together with back-up from reliable sources.
    Thanks.”
    _______________

    Any chance of an answer on this thread? Come on now, don’t be shy!

  144. “Fred, you’re in denial open your eyes.”

    Open my eyes to what?

    I see loads of evidence Putin is loaded, reputable web sites, while Forbes won’t actually put a figure on it they have articles about his billion dollar houses, the yachts the fleet of private jets.

    Even the wikileaks cables speak of Putin’s immense wealth and how he hides it through a company in Switzerland.

    All I’ve seen from you is attempts to discredit people.

    You have to come up with more than just accusing people of being in denial to refute real evidence.

  145. Habbabkuk 12-56 pm:

    Hague will have called his superiors in Tel Aviv before making any statement of condemnation towards Israeli policies. They have to make it look like criticism even if they never mention sanctioning the Israel regime for it’s continued human rights crimes and illegal expansions. Mr Hague is very quick to promote sanctions with regards other countries though…Syria and Russia being recent examples.
    Are you trying to create the offence of Israel denial to go along with holocaust denial? If you include people who object to land theft, military occupation, deprivation of water and electric, systematic abuse of the native inhabitants, you can add my name to your list of ‘Israel deniers’.
    The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians wasn’t a by-product of a natural movement of people simply trying to flee Nazi crimes. It was deliberate and being planned well before Jews became the target of Hitler.
    The Israeli claim that they will be pushed into the sea can be dismissed very easily by looking at 1948 map of the region compared to a recent one.

  146. “The BBC are still reporting this hoax as if it were true.”

    I looked at the BBC article.

    They say what happened and say that the People’s Republic of Donetsk say it is an attempt to discredit them.

    There seems overwhelming evidence it happened and I’m quite prepared to believe it was an attempt to discredit them.

    So where is the hoax?

  147. If you want to go to sleep, try counting H’s posts in a row….in latin

    Unus Duo Tres Quattuor Quinque Sex Septem Octo Novem Decem undecim…..

    zzzzzzzzzz!

    Alternatively try counting sheep http://i3.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article4324104.ece/alternates/s615/sheep.jpg

  148. @Andy
    “Are you trying to create the offence of Israel denial to go along with holocaust denial?”

    Show, hide or minimise comments by any user.

    Don’t waste this Easter. Try Habbabreak

  149. @Mary

    Alternatively, try Habbabreak.

    Show, hide or minimise.

  150. Israel Denier Habbakuk ??

    Seen you using this a few times now.
    Instructions from above ?
    Gies a break !!
    Israel is a f****n blott on the planet , a failed state and belligerent to boot…
    Ye canny deny it exists.Unfortunately

  151. “Hague will have called his superiors in Tel Aviv before making any statement of condemnation towards Israeli policies. They have to make it look like criticism even if they never mention sanctioning the Israel regime for it’s continued human rights crimes and illegal expansions. Mr Hague is very quick to promote sanctions with regards other countries though…Syria and Russia being recent examples.”

    The British Government has been making their position on the occupied territories known for some time now.

    The UK has a clear position on Israeli settlements: The West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Golan Heights are territories which have been occupied by Israel since 1967. Settlements are illegal under international law, constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict impossible. We will not recognise any changes to the pre-1967 borders, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties.

    There are therefore clear risks related to economic and financial activities in the settlements, and we do not encourage or offer support to such activity. Financial transactions, investments, purchases, procurements as well as other economic activities (including in services like tourism) in Israeli settlements or benefiting Israeli settlements, entail legal and economic risks stemming from the fact that the Israeli settlements, according to international law, are built on occupied land and are not recognised as a legitimate part of Israel’s territory. This may result in disputed titles to the land, water, mineral or other natural resources which might be the subject of purchase or investment.

    EU citizens and businesses should also be aware of the potential reputational implications of getting involved in economic and financial activities in settlements, as well as possible abuses of the rights of individuals. Those contemplating any economic or financial involvement in settlements should seek appropriate legal advice.

    We understand the concerns of people who do not wish to purchase goods exported from Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. It was in order to enable consumers to make a more fully informed decision concerning the products they buy that, in December 2009, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) introduced voluntary guidelines to enable produce from Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories to be specifically labelled as such. See Defra’s technical advice on the labelling of produce grown in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

    Since 1 February 2005, products produced in Israeli settlements are not entitled to benefit from preferential tariff treatment under the EU-Israel Association. On 3 August 2012, the European Commission published a revised Notice to Importers (see OJ C 232 page 5) concerning imports from Israel into the Union, including a revised list of non-eligible locations.

  152. Fred

    The British government position doesn’t equate to sanctions. The statement you provided just the mentions the risks and consequences. It’s almost as if the settlements are a separate entity to the Israeli government. They aren’t. The settlements don’t just appear, the infrastructure and private (for Israelis only) roads have to be built first. The Israeli government propose, fund and protect them, therefore are 100% responsible. Sanctions should be put in place that restrict all Israel’s businesses and trade.
    Crippling sanctions were put on Iran to force them to cease trying to create nuclear energy. Syrian rebels were encouraged and given none-lethal supplies (and probably covert military help too)by Hague and he openly encouraged them to remove Assad. Russia too were threatened with sanctions by Hague. The Israel policy gives out a vague warning that implies an investor might lose money on any investments and does nothing to change Israeli attitudes to Palestine and its people.

  153. @Andy

    The British government can’t impose sanctions, it just doesn’t work like that, they don’t work unless everybody does it. We don’t provide anything they can’t buy elsewhere or buy anything they can’t sell elsewhere.

  154. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 6:37 pm

    Andy

    Give it up, matey. You got owned by Fred and now you’re trying to divert to the question of sanctions – where Fred has again dealt with you rather well.

    PS – are you sure your computer doesn’t contain any parts either made in Israel or which contain Israeli intellectual property input? Just teasin’!

  155. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    DoNNYDarKo

    “Israel is a f****n blott on the planet , a failed state and belligerent to boot…”
    ___________________

    I think you wrote Israel by mistake, were you meaning to write “the late, unlamented USSR” together with the past tense?

  156. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the UK or its co conspirators to level sanctions against Israel.

    They’ll do little more than pay lip service to the narrowest interpretation of international law.

    BDS from civil society is the way to go.

    It already has the Israelis and their western toadies squealing. That means it’s working.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/zionists-traction-community.html

  157. “Sanctions should be put in place that restrict all Israel’s businesses and trade.”

    One in six NHS prescriptions come from Israeli pharmaceutical companies, so that could be seen as an opportunity for martyrdom for you nutty BDSers.

  158. “BDS from civil society is the way to go. It already has the Israelis and their western toadies squealing. That means it’s working.”

    Hardly, Herbie, though you clearly get off on the idea. Most people just buy stuff and couldn’t give a toss where it comes from.

  159. doug scorgie

    19 Apr, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    Mary
    19 Apr, 2014 – 9:45 am

    “What was the point of this little exercise apart from showing off her nice legs?”

    Yes she has nice legs but, legs apart, what else does she have?

  160. What is much more intriguing is the support offered by individuals here for Israel’s ongoing criminality.

    Why would any individual support that?

    Curious, eh.

  161. Nobody has supported Israel’s abuses against the Palestinians, Douglas. Not wishing to be involved with a boycott of everything originating from Israel by a bunch of far-left Jew obsessives does not equate to supporting Israel’s criminality. When you do the same for Arab countries I might take some notice. Until then you’ll remain a hypocrite. Trade with Israel, trade with Iran, I say.

  162. [Above post meant for Herbie, not Douglas.]

  163. “Yes she has nice legs but, legs apart, what else does she have?”

    Very good, Douglas.

  164. “BDS from civil society is the way to go.

    It already has the Israelis and their western toadies squealing.

    You missed the “M” off the end, they enjoy it.

  165. “Most people just buy stuff and couldn’t give a toss where it comes from.”

    Really.

    You’ve been asleep then during the past 30 odd years of mass designer branding and marketing.

    I’ll help you just a little bit.

    Tony Blair, from bambi darling to toxic war criminal.

    Luckily, Bibi hasn’t been asleep and has a clue what it all means:

    “”[Netanyahu's] extended comments on BDS took up the last five or six minutes of his speech,” wrote Weiss. “By taking on BDS so directly and insistently, Netanyahu has elevated the movement to new heights of importance, and will force American media to discuss the movement’s goals openly.”"

    https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/03/05

  166. doug scorgie

    19 Apr, 2014 - 7:50 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    19 Apr, 2014 – 12:56 pm

    [an Israel denier]“…is someone who says that the State of Israel has no right to exist.”

    You missed out those magic words again Habbakuk namely…as a Jewish state!!!

    Funny how you never remember those words isn’t it?

    “He [Hague] doesn’t “have” to say it, actually, he could just say nothing.”

    You are, of course, feigning naivety there Habbakuk, he has to comment as foreign secretary; he cannot remain silent on major issues like this.

    The two state “solution” is dead and never really had life.

    You and the other Zionists around the globe, want a one state solution but not for all its citizens only for Jews.

    Why can’t you be honest about that?

  167. Resident Dissident

    19 Apr, 2014 - 8:59 pm

    Hands up those who believe Vlad when he says “Our intelligence efforts are strictly regulated by our law… We don’t have a mass system of such interception and – according with our law –it cannot exist.” in response to rigorous questioning by Philip Snowden (that is me being ironic Doug Scorgie)

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/edward-snowden-defends-decision-question-vladimir-putin-on-surveillance

    Of course these sources have a rather different picture to paint.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/21/net-us-russia-internet-idUSBRE99K0M920131021

    http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/07/15/russia-accelerates-its-own-internet-spying-thanks-to-snowden/

  168. Resident Dissident

    19 Apr, 2014 - 9:05 pm

    Doug Scorgie

    As Habba says borrow or buy Masha Gessen’s book – I’ve lent my copy to a friend so I cannot provide quotes but she is pretty detailed about Putin’s involvement in several commodity fro food deals when he was the corrupt Sobchak’s deputy in Petersburg and on how he has used and promoted his Petersburg circle as fronts for his “investment”

    You can also find Masha Gessen talking about her book here

    http://blip.tv/slowtv/the-man-without-a-face-masha-gessen-on-vladimir-putin-6304239

    She also has her own blog at the New York Times.

    Yes she is bias against Putin – but so are many of us who have examined what he has done in detail.

  169. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 12:05 am

    Scorgie

    “[an Israel denier]“…is someone who says that the State of Israel has no right to exist.”

    You missed out those magic words again Habbakuk namely…as a Jewish state!!!

    Funny how you never remember those words isn’t it?”
    _________________

    I’m glad it amuses you, Doug. It’s also funny that you don’t seem to remember that Israel had already defined itself as a Jewish state (cf its Basic Law of 19990 (or 1992, can’t remember), which I have already drawn your attention to on numerous occasions.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ““He [Hague] doesn’t “have” to say it, actually, he could just say nothing.”

    You are, of course, feigning naivety there Habbakuk, he has to comment as foreign secretary; he cannot remain silent on major issues like this.”

    __________________________

    Well, it’s apparently a major issue and Hague has commented on it. For the rest, I refer you to Fred’s post at 16h31 (above).
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “The two state “solution” is dead and never really had life.

    You and the other Zionists around the globe, want a one state solution but not for all its citizens only for Jews.”
    ____________

    I am for whichever of those two solutions which brings peace to the region. You, on the other hand, seem to be afraid of any solution which would bring peace; this is because you would prefer there to be no peace. If for no other reason than if there were peace, you would no longer be able to post about one of your hobby horses and you would have to find someone other than Jews to spew hate against.

  170. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 12:07 am

    Anyway, something much more important than Doug “Final Solution” Scorgie.

    *********************

    XRISTOS ANESTI EK NEKRON !! A happy and joyous Easter to all believers !!

  171. Tonight: The Beeb’s Lyce Doucet telling us how Christians in Syria are being killed.

    Who the FUCK do you think is doing this, Lyce? And where the FUCK do you think they got the weapons and money and training to do it?

    From the people who sell us oil, that’s where. And from those who want the Golan Heights and whatever piece of South Lebanon they can grab.

    They come in from Jordan, where there is a HUGE US presence now, and from NATO member Turkey.

    The heart-eating crazies are being helped by us. But I’m sure you know that fine well, Lyce.

    Stay together, Syria. The rats are getting tired.

  172. Of course ‘Life is beautiful’ is a state of the mind, even the subconscious mind because one accepts that life must finally collapse for new life to begin; equally like detonated, collapsing planets forming stars that eventually form new planets.

    Without that crash anxiety, dread, nervousness, suffering and wasted energy over the unavoidable, one can float at random on Craig’s blog enjoying adding another wiggle, another travesty in the melee of thought and intention.

    It is of course ‘all in the mind’ and quite undemanding to sail by with words that have no real meaning being just musical sounds that become quite boring very quickly. Imagine saying “applepie” “applepie” “applepie” continuously; quite delightful as a musical soundbyte yet intensely mundane and boring eventually.

    Reminds me of the moth that flew into the flame of a candle. The moth specie survives and for all I can tell suffers no anxiety or fear of being burned alive…

  173. And המשיח קם! באמת קם!‎ to all our readers.

    ~~~~

    Agent Cameron again displays complete lack of judgement. He reappointed Tony Caplin to head the quango that provides funding for public works to the tune of £60 billion. Caplin has now resigned following a revelation that he is bankrupt. This fact was kept secret.
    Caplin worked for Agent Cameron’s father and is also a friend of Gideon. Could the Cons run the proverbial whelk stall?

    PM hired bankrupt crony to run £60billion quango: Tycoon put in charge of vast Treasury budget by his Tory friends is sacked after MoS probe
    •Businessman Tony Caplin put in charge of Public Works Loans Board

    •Is Treasury body behind £60bn worth of loans for infrastructure projects
    •But Caplin was declared bankrupt in 2012 for not paying his taxes
    •Anyone in public body must inform responsible Minister of their bankrupcy
    •PM claimed he had no idea the man has been declared bankrupt
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608597/PM-hired-bankrupt-crony-run-60billion-quango-Tycoon-charge-vast-Treasury-budget-Tory-friends-sacked-MoS-probe.html

    No relation to Cherie’s friend Carole Caplin we trust.

  174. Doug asked me what Kate has.

    A delightful baby.
    A husband and in-laws with German ancestry.
    A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.
    A pushy sister and a drippy brother.
    An uncle in-law who sells arms.
    Two luxurious homes, at least.
    A large wardrobe.
    Lots of wedding invitations from Hooray Henrys and Henriettas.
    Nice hair.

    I think the correct answer is a brand, just like her husband and the Beckhams.

    Kate Middleton and Prince William Establish Private Companies to Protect Royal Brand
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kate-middleton-prince-william-establish-private-companies-protect-royal-brand-1432796

  175. Well said Mike above. We are hearing a lot this Eastertide on the plight of Christians in the Middle East. You are spot on.

    Today, Welby will apparently reiterate his thoughts on the plight of the poor and oppressed in this country, as will Cardinal Nicholls. Yet the CoE has not divested from Wonga with its revoltingly high rates of interest and penalties.

    Church holds on to Wonga shares
    The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, says he is powerless to force the Church’s investment arm, to offload investment in Wonga, the payday loan company
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10776514/Church-holds-on-to-Wonga-shares.html

    ‘I’m not the Pope’. LOL

  176. Resident Dissident

    20 Apr, 2014 - 7:37 am

    “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    You really cannot stop yourself.

  177. Truths RD.

  178. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 8:39 am

    Mary

    “A manipulative mother…”
    ___________

    Maybe – but does that say anything about her daughter? Why visit the (possible) sins of the parents onto their children?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “…with Jewish ancestry.”

    _____________

    Your point?

    *************************

    Xristos anesti ek nekron

  179. Resident Dissident

    20 Apr, 2014 - 8:55 am

    “The truth is rarely pure and never simple.”

    I think Oscar must have had Mary (or is it Lady Dorking) in mind.

  180. ‘I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.’
    Abraham Lincoln

    ‘In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.’
    George Orwell

    ‘I’m for truth, no matter who tells it. I’m for justice, no matter who it’s for or against.’
    Malcolm X

  181. Easter in Occupied Palestine….

    Note that the Dutch UN representative ‘showed a serious problem of judgment’ in going to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

    UN envoy and Israel in Easter ritual access row
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27090580

    and the thugs used tear gar and sound grenades in al-Aqsa.

    Israeli forces attack Palestinian worshippers in al-Aqsa
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/20/359330/israeli-forces-attack-palestinians/

  182. Fred

    The US has only recently been threatening unilateral sanctions on Russia and has a history of using them against other countries.
    Any country can impose sanctions on any other country. Although most sanctions are now international multilateral sanctions,(obviously the more effective option) unilateral sanctions can still be applied to achieve political objectives amongst countries with close tries. The United Kingdoms relationship with Israel is in this category.
    So instead of a pathetic warning about investors losing money, the UK could show it’s displeasure at the catalogue of humanitarian crimes committed by Israel in a much stronger way.
    ‘The governments position’ is the next best thing to doing nothing.

    Habbabkuk

    I wasn’t diverting anything and yes I’ve no doubt my computer has something designed or manufactured in or by Israel but it’s kept to a minimum, no Intel processor for me! Furthermore, ZoneAlarm isn’t installed for obvious reasons.

    Just teasing!

  183. In two ‘democracies’, one across the Atlantic and the other, the only democracy in the ME.

    ‘Margaret Sullivan, The New York Times’ public editor, has written a thoughtful and important piece – http://nyti.ms/1eHgUhg – criticizing the way the newspaper complied with an Israeli-imposed gag order on the case of Majd Kayyal.

    But it leaves some important questions unanswered about the Times’ apparent eagerness to let Israeli censors set its news agenda.’

    /..

    The New York Times agrees to be gagged by Israel
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/new-york-times-agrees-be-gagged-israel

  184. Resident Dissident

    20 Apr, 2014 - 11:36 am

    Lady Dorking

    I somehow doubt that Abraham Lincoln , George Orwell and Malcolm X would have felt Kate Middleton’s parentage was a fundamental truth requiring further exposure.

  185. I think RD needs one of those sat nav thingies. Wrong town. Wrong county. LOL.

    Lady BRACKNELL if he is referring to the Importance of Being Earnest.

  186. Bluntly, everything is shit. Read any newspaper, and it’s almost invariably bad news. More war, more privatisations, more corruption, more expenses fraud, more astonishing banker bonuses, more paedophiles, more of everything that is truly awful.

    You see, this is what happens when what is, rather lazily, termed ‘the left’ is systematically undermined, infiltrated and all but destroyed over a period of decades. One may not like all that ‘the left’ espouses, but they are, or were, a bulkwark against the every-increasing pile of neoliberal shit I have to wade through every time I read a newspaper. All the horrible-ness is just what the ultra hard-right want, and seeing as nobody can stop them, that’s what they’ll get. Until people start taking to the streets, of course. Which may be never.

    And, apropos of nothing, did I just see Cameron in the news again for giving a cushy job to one of his many bent mates? I swear Cameron is the most protected politician since that guy in The Omen. It’s literally astonishing what he gets away with. He should have been sacked over about four things by now, but there he is, all angry and red faced, being smarmy as ever. It’s just plain weird.

  187. I had the unfortunate pleasure of listening to Mr Spencer of Jihad Watch on RT’s ‘Worlds Apart’:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/why-jihad-watch

    It appeared to me that Mr Spencer might better spend his energies in researching and extricating the truth buried by deception within British and American foreign policy. It seems to me that is where ‘Jihad’ or march or crusade using proxy warriors breaks into ordinary workaday, vanilla consciousness.

    Mr Spencer observes that Gaza and it’s inhabitants are blessed with luxury, comfort, leisure and an abundance of well stocked supermarkets and department stores. Such perception can only be formed by conjecture and a need to vilify the everyday lives of Muslims where ‘Ummah’ is simple the unity of mankind and not battles between nations.

  188. “Bluntly, everything is shit.”

    Cheer up, pal. Or do us a favour and fuck off to your nearest socialist utopia.

    Cheers!

  189. mark golding 20 Apr, 2014 – 1:29 am

    Or perhaps an irritating but ultimately pitiable scenario ….

    ….. a moth flying at a light bulb, repeatedly blundering head-first into something it cannot comprehend, attracted to the light but unable to reach it, ecstatic in its futile task.

  190. @Fred, “any country can impose sanctions on any other country”

    mais non. Chapters VI and VII of the UN Charter are written to leave states with two options: pacific resolution of disputes, or referral to the UNSC. Article 41 reserves the middle ground of economic pressure for the UNSC.

    Unilateral US sanctions are illegal.

  191. doug scorgie

    20 Apr, 2014 - 2:33 pm

    Fred
    19 Apr, 2014 – 3:05 pm

    “I see loads of evidence Putin is loaded, reputable web sites…”

    What “loads of evidence” and which “reputable websites” Fred?

    “You have to come up with more than just accusing people of being in denial to refute real evidence.”

    Sow the “real evidence” then Fred.

  192. doug scorgie

    20 Apr, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    Fred
    19 Apr, 2014 – 6:14 pm

    “The British government can’t impose sanctions, it just doesn’t work like that, they don’t work unless everybody does it.”

    Britain could make representations to the EU to bring sanctions on Israel, no Fred?

  193. “the very worst post ever written”…”another one for the downstairs loo”…”an opportunity for martyrdom for you nutty BDSers”…”do us a favour and fuck off to your nearest socialist utopia”

    Don’t waste your time this Easter. Habbabreak.

  194. Resident Dissident

    20 Apr, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    Spud

    Your reading of Article 41 is not correct – it doesn’t say anything about what States may do when the dispute has referred the dispute to the UNSC and the UNSC has decided to do nothing because of the exercise of the veto.

  195. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 3:05 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Fred
    19 Apr, 2014 – 6:14 pm

    “The British government can’t impose sanctions, it just doesn’t work like that, they don’t work unless everybody does it.”

    Britain could make representations to the EU to bring sanctions on Israel, no Fred?”
    ___________________

    Because, as any fule kno, such representations are usually made – at least at a first stage – dans les coulisses, I can’t of course prove that the UK HAS made such representations, but equally, you can’t prove it HASN’T, Doug.

    You do seem to assume that it hasn’t though. What is the basis for that assumption of yours?

    ************************

    Xristos anesti ek nekron!

  196. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Afrend

    You still haven’t told us the handle you used to / perhaps still post under, despite having told us you’ve been following this blog for a long time.

    An particular reasons for this blog’s great benefactor (that’s you) to remain so coy? Are you one of those awful sock-puppets so roundly condemned by sundry Excellences? :)

  197. “Bluntly, everything is shit.”

    No shit.

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