The UK In The Dock

by craig on May 15, 2014 8:59 pm in Uncategorized

I am delighted by the news that the International Criminal Court is to investigate war crimes committed by British armed forces in Iraq. The ICC – which in principle I strongly support – needs to show that it is not simply a tool of neo-con policy. It has confined itself to date to action against the defeated or the authorities of very poor countries. If it is to regain the support of decent people, which the concept of the ICC certainly deserves, it has to show itself prepared to act against the wealthy and victorious when necessary.

The other good thing about the ICC is that it will not confine itself to considering the prosecution of junior personnel. The reaction of the UK and US authorities to their own crimes is to refuse internal prosecution where possible, or if absolutely forced to do so, to sacrifice a pawn like Lynndie England or Donald Payne – the kind of people the politicians and billionaires are happy to see die to promote their interests anyway. The ICC investigators will rather be looking for evidence of structural and policy complicity leading to the very top – and I certainly can vouch there is plenty to find. I do hope Hoon and Straw find their sleep patterns disturbed.

It is two days since I saw Phil Shiner interviewed by Gavin Esler on this, and it was really extraordinary to watch. Esler appeared to find it intellectually impossible to comprehend that senior UK officials and “even Ministers” could find themselves up before the judges at The Hague, alongside “the likes of Charles Taylor and Slobodan Milosevic”.

I almost feel sorry for Gavin Esler. His job gives him access to an enormous amount of information, but he is only capable of absorbing and processing it through a filter of establishment narrative. The fact that in invading Iraq, British ministers were responsible for more deaths than Milosevic, or even than Charles Taylor, is something which he is somewhere, deep down, aware of as an abstract truth, but he has self-censored from synthesizing it into his world view.

Gavin Esler. What a wanker.

I should also just note that the dossier has been given to the ICC by the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights in Berlin. You may recall I gave a talk there two years ago.

Here is Gavin Esler happily at work, peddling without question a narrative that turned out to be entirely false and a very transparent piece of state-funded propaganda:

Here is Esler reacting when somebody says something actually true, but which the political establishment do not wish you to hear:

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61 Comments

  1. Esler represents the perversion that the BBC has gone through. It used to be the standard for unbiased news; but now it has become the news itself.

    The BBC has gone through the evolution from virtue to piety, as truth has become supplanted by ‘not being wrong'; the objective yields to the political. For in a culture of socialism and indiscriminate equality, it becomes easier to assume the virtue of truth by what you don’t say, as opposed to the risk of uncontrolled reality.

  2. I am not too disturbed by non-Muslims climbing and clinging onto the slippery pole of power. It is a rare feat of human ingenuity to do it while smiling and waving one’s hands in care-free mode.

    I am deeply disturbed by political posturing by Muslims who thereby blur the message that Islam is a religion of honesty which human beings, like the residents of Northern Ireland crave.

    But the existence of political Islam. its lies and its duplicity, is 100% the product of the lies and duplicity of our Western culture. We have created the desperate outcome of terror.

    With a very modicum of integrity by western powers, now and historically, that would not be the case. The actual criminal acts wehich are denied in the ICC are the tip of the iceberg.

    The disaster that has beset the Muslim world in our own lifetimes and previously is the by far the greater damage of dark political manoevering, bribery and corruption and theft.

    That aspect will not be mentioned in the ICC. therefore the Western powers that be will feel that it can afford to concede a few war-crimes, in exchange for overall secrecy.

  3. Great news. Heath Government of early 70’s had to act on torture &
    treatment of Iraqi prisoners went well beyond those rules without
    due insight by government ministers.

  4. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 10:09 pm

    ‘I do hope Hoon and Straw find their sleep patterns disturbed.’

    And all the others in positions of power too (including Blair) whose decision to take this country to the blood bath was based on lies.

  5. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 10:16 pm

    Full of himself on his blog which seems to have fizzled out somewhat.

    ‘Reviewers have been full of praise for his fiction and story-telling abilities. The writer Bernard Cornwell said Esler’s novels are “made luminous with wisdom, sympathy and story telling.” The Guardian said that Esler’s fiction displays “undoubted sympathy for the human condition and a burning anger, a genuine lyricism, a quick sensitivity and a real understanding of other people.” The Financial Times said Esler’s stories of people in power and the compromises they are forced to make, shows that he “understands the political beast better than anyone.”‘ ;)

    http://www.gavinesler.com/content/biography.asp

  6. “Gavin Esler – what a wanker”

    Got him in one!

  7. Maybe if we are lucky the current bunch of war criminals – Cameron and co, Obammpot ect – will take notice

    and save the world from war with Russia.

  8. I remember well the second clip and Esler’s aggressive attempt to silence you when you quite rightly told the truth mentioning the names of two people who were involved in perverting the course of justice in the MSM determination to blacken the name of Julian Assange. Since that day I have written to the prosecution legal representative of Sofia Wilen on more than one occasion without response. Massi Fritz has been seeking publicity but only when it is detrimental to Julian Assange. She will not come to London because there is no prosecution case and she would go back empty-handed. This really gets my goat, the political character assassination of a good man.

    http://professorsblogg.com/2013/06/21/jgossletter/

  9. I should have said a good post Craig. Have you been invited to present evidence?

  10. Esler and friends would do well to revisit the resignation of Elizabeth Wilmshurst on the eve of the Iraq War.

    From Wilmshurst’s resignation letter:

    ” I therefore need to leave the Office: my views on the legitimacy of the action in Iraq would not make it possible for me to continue my role as a Deputy Legal Adviser or my work more generally.

    For example in the context of the International Criminal Court, negotiations on the crime of aggression begin again this year.”

    They can’t say they weren’t warned.

  11. “I almost feel sorry for Gavin Esler. His job gives him access to an enormous amount of information, but he is only capable of absorbing and processing it through a filter of establishment narrative.”

    But that’s true of every single mainstream media journalist I can think of. All incapable or unwilling of thinking out of the box. That’s probably why they are where they are.
    Absolutely agree about war crimes. There should be no hiding place for people in the British military who committed or ordered brutality.

  12. This is what Arbed posted earlier today about a British couple who attempted suicide because Theresa May wants them in the US penal system.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-10/#comment-457499

    When this was posted on another blog I responded thus:

    Arbed, I could not agree more, and seeing it on the news this morning reminded me of how ever-ready, like a fully-charged battery or battering-ram, is Theresa May to send our residents like Talha Ahsan and Babar Ahmed to Supermax prisons in teh US where they are detained 23 (sometimes 24) hours a day until they confess to something they did not do in what is known as a plea-bargain. What plea-bargain really means is that the country with the worst record for torture and extra-judicial kilings, tortures prisoners into confession by depriving them of human contact and social interaction. Herman Wallace never committed a crime so he would not confess. He was kept in solitary confinement for 42 years. You do not get out unless you lie.

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/prisoners-rights/after-42-years-solitary-herman-wallace-dies-free-man

    God Bless America!”

  13. If you didn’t see BBC Question Time tonight, get a look at it on I-player, or whatever the BBC uses now.

    The tory and labour representatives looked completely out of their depth, as fellow panel-members, and the vast majority of the audience were crying out for politicians… not just soldiers… to be brought to account. The fact that Chilcott hasn’t been allowed to conclude due to the withholding of evidence by (unnamed, skilfully) members of Blair’s cabinet brought derision from the well-heeled and previously well-behaved audience. When will it dawn on labour that they are finished unless they openly distance themselves from the causers of the Iraq war.

  14. BTW, this was the final QT question (British Soldiers & the ICC). If you aren’t interested in education, tax fiddles or Scottish independence scroll through the rest of the recording.

  15. In the second video, you really should have stood up more for yourself. You didn’t interrupt either of them, but both did interrupt you and you should have pointed that out forcefully. The woman was a complete bitch. All fake concern about the anonymity of the alleged victims but giving no such rights to the accused who should be innocent until proven guilty.

  16. Gavin Esler is not only a wanker, ultimately we all wank, he is literally a psychopath, a mind fixed in space and time, unequipped to evolve.

    The oratory hyperbole from Lord Ashdown speaking today on ‘Question Time’ has the same ‘wanker’ fixation. Erotic fantasies of a Great British experiment over three hundred years, stupefying the world in a great class of multiculturism, reciprocity and exchange.

    Bollocks! Nature views the Great British Union as a source of suffering, hegemony, pillage, secrecy, greed and deception.

    When I cross the border to an independent Scotland I have evolved…

    By Oppression’s woes and pains!
    By your Sons in servile chains!
    We will drain our dearest veins,
    But they shall be free!

  17. 1000:1 someone significant will face punishment.
    No bets on just idiot soldier grunt getting it.

  18. @Mark: Paddy was strange tonight… his rhetoric dancing between being a tory and a liberal, and I think his voice was different when he was in the uncomfortable position of trying to defend the coalition.

    He was also asked by David Dimbleby about a referendum in Ukraine, and said he would fully support it if it had been properly conducted (not a neocon then…). Because of Paddy’s hands on approach in Yugoslavia, his opinion seems to carry a bit of weight in “The West”. If the right people are listening to opinions like Ashdown’s, this throws up the opportunity for a rerun? Surely better than civil war…

  19. @Tom (15 May, 2014 – 10:51 pm)

    You say “But that’s true of every single mainstream media journalist I can think of …” a sort of A-Ha! moment as if that makes it all right, stop picking on Esler. I say no, blood has been scented, he’s vulnerable, keep up the pressure up on Esler, else there is no cost for his conduct, and less likelihood of the ICC ever catching up with him. For the diabolical jackals of the mainstream media to see one of their own and then another and then another incarcerated without limit, for what are the supreme crimes, would be rather sobering I should think. The diseased-minds at the controlling centre of this concerted emotional engineering of populations are unknowns, but those nominally in charge, the heads of governments and heads of state, must fall and keep falling until all that are left are the flailing arms and legs of functionaries and flunkies such as Esler. Beside that everyone knows that decisions to go to war, or simply to kill millions on any pretext, aren’t made by Gavin Esler, but by John Humphries.

    The same quote from Craig Murray: “… access to an enormous amount of information, but he is only capable of absorbing and processing it through a filter of establishment narrative.” could almost apply to Murray himself, his hilarious and I still hope tongue-in-cheek posts here (on his own blog too, how dare he) on the west’s war machine’s latest follies, in Ukraine, might well have been the work of a slavish junior or intern, anxious to please his masters ‘upstairs’, he seemed to have slipped back into an ultra-establishment, greasy pole shinning obsequiosness, anxious to rejoin the bandwagon suspended in thin air over the edge of a cliff. I think he wants to be Chancellor of the Exchequer, again.

    If we’ve to add, and we should – along with the members both houses of parliament – the entire management, ownership, and ‘talent’ of the mainstream media to the prison population, then in the light of the gravity of their crimes, out of respect for the honestly innocently incarcerated, who might be corrupted by their influence, can I suggest they are shipped to the island of Gruinard and left to fend for themselves, instead. For the amusement of the public, they ought be allowed to broadcast their privations, wails and horrific choking demise as they cop a lungful of nasties no better or worse than that they’ve enthusiastically facilitated and called for, prescribed and inflicted on others.

    There’s a new enemy and new terror, it’s not reds-under-the-beds, not those devilish commies, Muslims, barbarians, Scythians, Mongol hordes, or anyone else so picturesque but it’s that idiot box in the corner of the room. The good news is that televisions are vulnerable -to hammers, to angle-grinders, to fire and so much more, competent experts could disable a television set in five seconds, but even for the amateur success is almost inevitable, as a last resort the ‘set’ could be dropped from a middling height upon a hard surface. TVs are also sad lonely creatures, as if aware of their duplicity and mere neglect alone can often cause malfunction or even obsolescence. With a simple telephone call to your local recycling centre or council facility, your television could probably be left outside in the street and subsequently be taken by the efficient TV-Catcher vans patrolling the streets, and disposed of with hardly any trouble at all.

    I predict the ICC will produce not much more than a silent fart.

  20. Esler is a wanker…

    Very true…spotted spook-young and used to propagandise the unspeakable-the shallow fuck went along for the paycheck and a wee violinist apparently.

    Esler is on the wrong side of history,coming.

    Like many of them.

    Blair,Brown,Straw,Reid,Blunkett,Manningham-Buller,Evans,Tenant,Scooter,Clarke,Prescott,Yoo,Dershowitz,Cheney,Bush,Perle,Wolfowitz,Rove,Rumsfleld,Condy et al.

    Bastards,all.

    I didn’t really like my torture-particularly as an innocent.

  21. Good clips. I hadn’t seen the independence one in full. Lordy that’s bad. There is a vague nod to impartiality, but it’s still laughable.

    As to the Assange one, I think everybody has made up their mind, one way or another. I’m sure I’ve commented before. However, Joan Smith’s airy ‘there is a problem on the left’ schtick is really rather dull, and I’d mark it down were I her tutor. Attention to details, please. I read this kind of stuff so often I wonder if they get a memo: ‘the left are to be treated with a broad brush’. Someone should ask her, ‘what do you actually mean by ‘the left?’ I bet that would stump her, and Nick Cohen.

    Still, being on television must be hard, so perhaps we should cut her some slack. She made a generalisation, easily done. I’m less impressed with her assertion that it is “mainly men on the left queueing up to cast aspersions” on the women in question. There is an ill-disguised condescension to this comment, which doesn’t bode well for her grasp of the detail. One does wonder if such condescension is deliberate. It can be a very effective technique, to ‘win’ a debate, I think …

    As to Gavin Esler, I live in Oz, and my television doesn’t work. I simply don’t watch the news, and stopped paying much attention to the bbc long before I came to Australia. It is what is is. Not all bad, and certainly better than Rupertvision. But a source of impartial news and comment, nah. Peter Wright of Spycatcher fame once admitted that the bbc had an office where prospective employee’s were ‘vetted’, by securitat types. The vetting is probably more informal nowadays, one assumes, but still effective. Life on Mars was good though!

  22. Mark Golding

    I’m not a banana skin evolutionist, meaning that the detritus of nature can self-evolve into a delicious, pre-packed item of food as wonderful as a banana. I’m sure that God evolves whatever He likes.
    La yuheetuna bis shayin min ‘ilmihi illa bi ma shaa’/ He does not reveal anything of His knowledge except what he wishes (us to know)

    We Muslims hope that by obedience and practise He will evolve us and our understanding. Not much chance of that happening to anyone who like Esler is in service to the powers that be in the UK/world.

    I am nearly 60 and I have a very extreme allergy to any form of lying. Yet in spite of my years I still find it difficult to trust my own perception and diagnose a lie occurring and calm down.

    Similarly, I also observe in myself that political manipulation, i.e., a package of bullshit from a serious bullshit merchant like Paddy Ashdown, with looking down the nose body language, studied rejection of the presence of all other people around him, and the repetition of British class memes, has the effect in my psychology, no doubt from weakness in my own personality or upbringing, of stimulating a flush of sexual frustration.

    These are very primitive techniques of bullying people, but the bullies are aware that we the British public in general are extremely susceptible to being bullied. My children and their generation are far more resilient. They ignore the whole emotional blackmail of politics and it doesn’t affect them in the same way as us fossils who were accustomed to respect authority unquestioningly.

    Does that mean that I agree with Craig about the issues in the two clips above? No, I think we are stronger, and safer, belonging to a Union with Scotland and also with Europe. I equate Scottish Independence with the Tory nutters who want to leave the EU.

    Gavin Esler refused to allow Craig’s point about false accusations against whistleblowers. I assume from my own understanding of my own psychology that those who engage in exposing lies like Assange and his Swedish female companions deal with their sexual impulses by getting on with the job and inserting and being inserted willy-nilly. My verdict: guilty as charged. Is that how the bullies get people to believe their fasle accusations, by inventing believable lies?

    What I want to be evolved into is a human being that sees the manipulation or lies coming and can whollop them over the boundary line Ian Botham style. Craig was doing well in the clip while Gavin Esler was clucking like a headless chicken stop stop stop stop.

    Passports for sexual favours? Well it takes one to know one, so that must have been a little harmless projection from the Straw man.

  23. I guess many of us on this blog have at some point had a moment of awakening when we stopped drinking the Kool-Aid. Until, then we believed the things that Gavin Essler still does: that Britain is a force for good in the world and America is the City on the Hill. I know I used to believe it unquestioningly. This is why I love Medialens so much, those guys really nail it for me, every time. Receiving one of their alerts is like being the kid in the Emperor’s New Robes and finding out you’re not alone.

    By the way, did anyone else see that Telegraph blogger on Question Time describe the Union with Scotland as ‘the greatest experiment in multiculturalism the world has ever seen’?

    !

  24. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 8:08 am

    Concern over Chilcot report delay
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/concern-over-chilcot-report-delay-30279209.html

    Must try harder Mr Jenkin and stop acting like the party stooge that you are.

    ~~~

    Loaded. Well and truly caught out in 2009 by the Torygraph. The MPs that were named and shamed must really hate the Barclay Brothers.

    MPs’ expenses: Bernard Jenkin claims £50,000 in rent on farmhouse owned by sister-in-law
    Bernard Jenkin, a Conservative MP, has claimed £50,000 on his expenses to rent his sister-in-law’s farmhouse, just over the road from a country home part-owned by his wife. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5368817/MPs-expenses-Bernard-Jenkin-claims-50000-in-rent-on-farmhouse-owned-by-sister-in-law.html

    Wikipedia
    ‘On 27 October 2009 it was initially recommended that Bernard Jenkin pay back £63,250 by expenses auditor Sir Thomas Legg. This is the highest amount known to have been recommended after an audit of MPs’ claims on second homes expenses.[4][5] This amount was reduced to £36,250 following an appeal.[6]’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Jenkin

  25. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 8:18 am

    Question Time last night.

    15/05/2014

    Duration: 1 hour

    David Dimbleby presents Question Time from Coventry. On the panel are Conservative employment minister Esther McVey, Labour’s shadow energy secretary Caroline Flint MP, former Liberal Democrats leader Lord Ashdown, SNP external affairs minister in the Scottish government Humza Yousaf MSP and Daily Telegraph blogger Tim Stanley.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04446v3/question-time-15052014

    One would assume that a very important matter like the subject of this thread should have been discussed but it wasn’t of course.

  26. If you are bothered about Chilcot being suppressed to suit the Westminster classes this petition is a start: https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/publish-the-chilcot-inquiry-results-now

    As far as truth and balance in news presentation are concerned the BBC gave in finally to Westminster with the Gilligan business in the run-up to the war in Iraq. All major issues are politicised and spun to suit Westminster’s agenda. If the BBC does not comply, they’ll lose the licence fee which will hurt the fatcats’ salaries and pension-funds. Perfect weapon for Westminster to deploy.

    BBC Question Time last night was like a Sixth Form end-of-term farce. A bunch of weasel-word smarmy Tories talking to us as though were six years old, and a token sane person they could slag off and tell to go back to Scotland which they believe should keep quiet. I remember how Radio Moscow used to sound in USSR times and the spin was very transparent but at least you could perceive some version of truth through the broken stained glass window. With the BBC now it is nothing but crafted distortion and spin, so it is only worth watching for entertainment if you are a student of media manipulation.

    Nigel Farage goes on about British politics being driven from the EU in Brussels, but I would love to know how he feels about all our defence and foreign policy being driven by Washington and our beloved BBC being driven by No.10 spinners.

  27. By the time of the last election all that was left of the Tories was sixth-formers. Everyone else had gone off to do other things.
    The only reason they came to power was the treachery of Paddy Ashdown and Nick Clegg.

    Pay-back time will be like a cheap crime thriller. prepare for Livni’s heir, Ed Misreal.

  28. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 9:24 am

    I didn’t see QT thankfully.

    The BBC should be dismantled and all the stooges sent to the Job Centres. But what work are they qualified to do? Duncan Smith can sort it out I am sure and find some Workfare for them.

    I heard yesterday that the private companies that the DWP employ to find employment for the long term unemployed operate in a completely unregulated ‘black box’. No questions are asked about their practices or claims made.

    ‘The Work Programme model is ‘black box’, meaning that providers are free to provide any sort of service or set of interventions rather than being required to deliver specific elements as under previous programmes. Providers have published outlines of minimum service offers, but these vary in content and detail and consequently it can sometimes be difficult for an individual to know what sort of service they can expect.’
    http://homeless.org.uk/sites/default/files/Engaging%20with%20the%20DWP%20Work%20Programme_0.pdf

    Fascism in action.

  29. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 9:30 am

    That’s the Milipede who would love to bring his children to Israel where he feels so at home.

    Exclusive Miliband interview: I’ve no issue with people calling me a Zionist
    http://jewishnews.co.uk/ed_miliband_israel/

  30. Sleepless nights for Hoon and Straw would be a very welcome development, but can I idly dream that Tony Blair gets a one-way ticket to the ICC also?

    Re the second clip: It makes me angry, looking back, at how you were treated by Esler and Smith on that Newsnight programme. As you say, blatantly ramming the UK establishment line down people’s throats with lie upon lie about the facts of the case. There were newspaper reports online around the same time showing a close-up of a clipboard carried by one of the police outside the Ecuadorian embassy detailing the involvement of covert counterterrorism units SS10 and SO20 in the Vienna Convention-busting embassy you so effectively publicised, and “risk of death” contemplated by the authorities in their efforts to nab Assange. Here it is:

    Photo of police clipboard spotted after Assange requested asylum in the Ecuador embassy:
    https://twitter.com/digitalfolklore/status/460506647882772480

    Also shown at the bottom of this article, outlining the theft of Wikileaks’ computers containing details of war crimes in Afghanistan while Assange was leaving Sweden a month after this ‘investigation’ of sex allegations was first raised:
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/julian-assange-claims-his-encrypted-laptops-were-stolen-in-2010-while-traveling/

    But the wheels are well and truly coming off the disinfo campaign that Esler and Joan Smith were part of – Eva Joly, no less, held a press conference in Sweden recently detailing how far from due process this ‘investigation’ has become. Sweden v. v. embarrassed – they refused to even talk to her about the Assange case:

    Eva Joly press conference on JULIAN ASSANGE:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T3UtgRDJCE

    Transcript: http://wlcentral.org/node/2927 and http://wlcentral.org/node/2929

    And…. just yesterday:

    US government momentarily releases sealed information on grand jury against #WikiLeaks then quickly deletes it https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnsnS3eIgAA1pAi.png
    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/467042011431071744

    Oops!

  31. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 9:40 am

    Will Ed press for Chilcot release? :)

    Miliband challenged over ministers’ explanations for Iraq war decision
    Chilcot inquiry points out that Tony Blair, Jack Straw and Gordon Brown have given ‘three rather different explanations’, and asks foreign secretary to explain why he voted for war
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/08/david-miliband-iraq-war-inquiry
    8 March 2010

    ‘Ed Miliband has already been warned, by Peter Mandelson among others, that he will have to be careful in his response to Chilcot. I’m sure he will be. But he has little personally to fear from it. Indeed its publication will allow him to assert that the next Labour government will in crucial details operate differently from the last one. It will help Miliband detach himself from some of the more unfortunate aspects of the New Labour legacy. Labour stands to gain politically from Chilcot, not be damaged by it.’
    http://labourlist.org/2014/01/whatever-happened-to-the-chilcot-report/

    ‘That could mean the next general election being fought against the backdrop of heavy criticism of the Blair government’s support for the US-led invasion of Iraq – an unnerving prospect for key advisers to the Labour leader, Ed Miliband.

    A leading Labour figure, who will be among Mr Miliband’s closest confidants at the election, told The Independent the party would not want the “hurt and trauma” of Iraq to be revisited close to an election. He said the report held the potential to “remind the electorate of what went wrong” and the “fiasco on our watch that left a prime minister discredited”.’
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/publish-chilcot-report-says-david-cameron-9324068.html

  32. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    16 May, 2014 - 11:20 am

    I think your opinion of Esler may be a little severe – not having a thought-destruction box flickering in my living room. I haven’t really come across him, but this piece suggests to me that he is in fact as thick as the proverbial two short ones, and probably a congenital nomark. And cannot help it. The masturbation is merely incidental, and should not be the target of your opprobrium.
    Respectfully yours…

  33. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    16 May, 2014 - 11:21 am

  34. Tony M
    “The same quote from Craig Murray: “… access to an enormous amount of information, but he is only capable of absorbing and processing it through a filter of establishment narrative.” could almost apply to Murray himself, his hilarious and I still hope tongue-in-cheek posts here (on his own blog too, how dare he) on the west’s war machine’s latest follies, in Ukraine, might well have been the work of a slavish junior or intern, anxious to please his masters ‘upstairs’, he seemed to have slipped back into an ultra-establishment, greasy pole shinning obsequiosness, anxious to rejoin the bandwagon suspended in thin air over the edge of a cliff…”

    Strong criticism of your host.

    As I have said before, I think that Craig undergoes a personality change when he gets near an election, or in this case, a referendum. The political Craig downloads the staus quo narrative in order to move onto his thesis, in this case the case for Scottish Independence, Yes etc.

    That is a different Craig from the one that whistleblows against the establishment, against his own material interests and safety. In fact Gavin Esler is not a wanker, he is doing the same as Craig, bypassing whole swathes of discussion in order to focus on a particular issue, viz feminist hijacking of Assange’s whistleblowing.

    Trouble is that if you do that, as Craig has done recently by talking about events in Ukraine in FCO cold war terms, one misses the burning issue so far as I’m concerned, which is the issue of Macchiavellian UKUSIS war on Syria.

    NATO is on the same side as Russia and Iran against their ideological enemy, Islam, and they gave Russia the Crimea with a nod and a wink, to compensate them for their loss of ports in the Mediterranean in Libya and Syria. NATO used Russia to bolster Assad against Al Qaida and the population of Syria, and now they want Russia out the way, the anti-aircraft technology switched off, so that they can hit Assad and Israel can take control of its northern neighbour.

    This betrayal of Al Qaida was totally predictable to the majority of Muslims. But USUKIS deceived political Islam with carrots such as ging them back control of Afghanistan and Pakistan, the formation of a re-united Kurdistan and the creation of a Sunni country in Eastern iraq and Western Syria.

    ALL LIES.

    What Assange did in bed with a feminist, and what USUKIS promised political Islam is totally irrelevant. The fact is that another Muslim country has been destroyed by us, and Gavin Esler and Craig Murray want to talk about sexual consent and the Ukraine.

  35. Last night’s Question Time now available at:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04446v3/question-time-15052014

    As I said, the matter of UK and ICC is debated as the final question..

  36. Can I suggest that we refrain from personal attacks for and against Craig Murray, when the topic for discussion is an extremely important and highly topical one.

    Current BBC article on delay of the Chilcott Report:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27434594

  37. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    Mr Axelrod (The Axe) must try harder. LOL

    Miliband election adviser in name-spelling tweet blunder
    David Axelrod tweet

    Axelrod addresses shadow cabinet
    Labour hires Obama poll guru Axelrod

    Labour’s new election campaign adviser has misspelled Ed Miliband’s name in a tweet praising the party – which then linked to a spoof Twitter account.

    David Axelrod wrote: “Enjoyed my visit with @Ed_Milliband and his @UKLabour team.”

    The reference to Ed Miliband with its incorrect spelling actually links to a spoof Twitter account in the Labour leader’s name. The site includes tweets saying: “I am resigning.”

    Mr Axelrod has now corrected the tweet.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27437978

    ~~~

    Does the placing of this story mean that ZBC is behind Cameron?

    I read this morning in the Times that Clegg is employing his own election guru, one Ryan Coetzee. He is employed as a special adviser and is therefore paid from the public purse.

    The Times have just picked it up. They must also try to keep up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2604782/Nick-Clegg-questions-answer-revealed-pays-election-gurur-Ryan-Coetzee-110-000-taxpayer-cash.html 15 April 2014

  38. Guano

    The detritus of nature is our problem and my dilemma. Perhaps our minds have become disconnected from source and therefore from each other. We live cocooned, insular, cut off from the annoyance and failures of existence; the lies, the bullying, the model of despair, the betrayal of trust.

    The fragmentation of Union must therefore be an oxymoron, an allusion towards recovery from the blue devils of our sick rat race. It is not.

    Forget politics, forget justice, I am weary of the confab, the quarrel. All that remains is a slap, an advance, a push of the reset button, a way out of devolution.

    To me that is what Scotland’s autonomy is. The light at the end of a tunnel. Hope.

  39. Mary…. this is an inevitable consequence of the independence of the BBC (once sancrosact?) being eroded. All our state apparatus is being politicised… including health and education. Blair and Brown used this to their advantage, and it is hardly surprising that Cameron isn’t doing the same. If the BBC was doing an Independent job, David Cameron would have been forced to resign after his association with Coulson and Brooks was exposed. This is the reality, and I’m sure Miliband knows it. That is probably one reason he got Axelrod… in an effort to counteract.

    However, I can’t say I’m sorry that the BBC are publishing embarrassing stories about the previous administration’s adventures in the Middle East.

  40. Peacewisher: Can you point me to or summarise the BBCs embarassing stories about the previous administration’s adventures in the Middle-East. I don’t believe that is the case, and find such a claim surprising and at odds with my own observations and conclusions. While there should be and will be no escape for Westminster’s war criminals past, a certain amount of water has gone under the bridge, and broadcasters have no prosecutorial role, their focus should be on what the present lot are doing here and now and what they are planning next, amongst which will be arranging immunity for themselves and for the last lot. You get Blair and Straw and the LaBour Party held to account and punished for their supporting roles in one of the greatest orgies of mass-murder human history has ever seen, by getting co-conspiratorsCameron and Hague and cohorts, still in power, stopped and dealt with now. I don’t hold the view that there are good people remaining out of sight in either of the Labour, Tory or LibDem parties, these are criminal conspriracies against the public good and interest and against peace, anyone hoping to have a defence of innocence, or even of credibility should have been out and blowing the whistle loud and hard on everything they’ve seen and heard, for whatever good it might do, and also because a point in time and in history has passed where presumption of guilt merely by association, would be entirely justified and has become necessary.

  41. They don’t do it overtly, Tony, but there is definitely an undercurrent that started with “Cash for Questions” shortly before Blair prepared to leave office. It is to the credit of the British people that calls for justice have continued to grow since the Chilcott inquiry, and the BBC have given these calls due publicity, when presumably they could have suppressed them.

    More specifically, the audience reaction on Question Time yesterday was reasonably spontaneous, but also predictable. Are you suggesting that it is thanks to David Dimbleby and the panel (Tory & Labour excepted), rather than the BBC, that this issue was allowed to be held up to public scrutiny?

  42. @Peacewisher: I don’t watch Question time, don’t suffer any of the BBCs mainstream product, so I can’t comment on that example. I find establishment public inquiries invariably become exercises in PR if not set up with that express purpose, the BBCs Question Time also never amounts to more than superficial stage-managed lightweight puff.

    I still, with a plurality of others contend that the BBC is not doing a great job, or even any sort of job except to cause mischief and harm in messing with people’s minds recklessly and is figuratively awash in innocent’s blood, from fetid basements to executive suites and everything and everyone in between dripping wet. You’ve not suggested differently or even planted reasonable doubt with your charming anecdotal tale and character reference and testimonial, in lieu of any sort of credible plea from them in their own defence being possible, and there is nothing whatever to suggest such an outfit is fit to continue, could change, or reform, other than for the worse. The BBC by willingly assuming the mantle of Goebells ministry of propaganda on behalf of a similar gang of fascist thugs running amok at Westminster these last decades, will deservedly be smashed in the long overdue resultant overwhelming tumult fast approaching.

    Linked with the massacre in the forests of Katyn of the Polish elite by the Soviets, the vicious destruction of the principles of law at the Nuremberg trials established a precedent; those who devised this could not have conceived that such hostages surrendered to fortune as their very own trembling hides or those of their successors and inheritors, could one day be found in the dock subjected the full weight of the uncorrupted forces of law than to the arbitrary punitive retribution they dished out. The mildly-cross multitudinous mob would dispense with them all too willingly and quickly at this stage with relish and it is difficult to say which is the better option. Perhaps both.

  43. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    Don’t hold your breath.

    Iraq War inquiry report to be published months before general election

    The long-awaited Iraq War inquiry will be published by the end of the year, David Cameron has said.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10836522/Iraq-War-inquiry-report-to-be-published-months-before-general-election.html

  44. I see what you mean. Mary!

    So not only did Cameron surround himself with the alleged architect of “Phone Hacking on an Industrial Scale”, he also appointed one of the of the key workers behind the war based on lies. Hmmmm! If only Miliband could find his spine again… that speech on phone hacking was his finest moment.

  45. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 6:41 pm

    90% of All Deaths In War Are Civilians
    Global Research, May 16, 2014

    Washington’s Blog

    And the U.S. Launched 201 Out of the 248 Armed Conflicts Since the End of WWII

    The June 2014 issue of the American Journal of Public Health notes (free PDF here; hat tip David Swanson):
    ◾Around 90% of all deaths in war are civilians:

    “The proportion of civilian deaths and the methods for classifying deaths as civilian are debated, but civilian war deaths constitute 85% to 90% of casualties caused by war, with about 10 civilians dying for every combatant killed in battle.”

    /..

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/90-of-all-deaths-in-war-are-civilians/5382520

  46. doug scorgie

    16 May, 2014 - 8:00 pm

    Mary For Truth and Justice
    16 May, 2014 – 9:30 am

    That is interesting Mary because Ed Miliband had previously refused to be drawn on the issue of Zionism.

    I wonder why the change of heart.

  47. Ed Miliband is sitting ‘in the wings’ Doug, cooling his heels for the Neo-Labour victory next year.

    In place is Rory Stewart MP as the new chairman of Westminster’s Defence Select Committee.

    The game has been loaded,the moves have been made and hey the ‘dodgy dossier’ erased from history. NATO and the United States of Europe is ‘running up the flagpole’ for the opening of the gates of hell in Russia. Whispers in the Admiralty are connecting and President Putin knows it.

    Dispensable? Unrequired? yes we are!

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/11/another_old_eto/

  48. @Doug: I expect Miliband is taking advice from Axelrod.

    @Mark: There is one hope that we’ve not really taken seriously before, but who may we wising up… the US people. Who’d have thought this:

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/15/news/economy/fast-food-strike/

  49. Who’d have thought Ben? Is this ‘Fematown’ Virginia?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10634411/US-army-builds-fake-city-to-shoot-at-during-training.html

    I decipher the increasing signs Of martial law prep in America.

    Frank Morales:Frederick Douglass – thanks guys for the insight.

    “Information makes a man unfit to be a slave.”

  50. Aha, good-old BBC.

    Last year, UK’s so-called “Crown Corporation”, the British Broadcasting Corporation’s Jewish Governor, Baroness Ruth Deech, has called for an apology from internationally-famed violinist Nigel Kennedy for calling Israel “an apartheid state”. She said Kennedy’s remarks were “offensive and untrue”. She also claimed that there is no apartheid in Israel or the Israeli occupied PA territoris (Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem).

    http://rehmat1.com/2013/08/19/bbc-israel-is-not-an-apartheid-state/

  51. Boy Craig can be naive. Support the ICC?? It has been used to prosecute those who are in opposition to US and UK policies. Or really poor leaders from black Africa. It is an institution that makes of mockery of international law. To think, even for a moment, it will be used to prosecute, let alone convict, war criminals working for the UK is delusional.

  52. dont think id ever watched that clip about assange in full.. what a farce that section was. and so embarrassing to have someone from the ‘independent’ spouting such guff. every single point she and Esler made was turgid bollocks and can be swiftly answered. they were total and complete establishment mouthpieces at that point.
    “i just want him to go to sweden” strange.. why would she not be satisfied with a telephone call, or an email exchange, or a video call, or a visit to the embassy? all of which have legal precedent for resolving such matters pre-actually-being-charged-with-anything!
    anna ardin has appeared on television media talking about the case, so yes, she can be named, and yes, its probably quite pertinent to point out some facts about the case that they’re all so apparently eager to find out about and resolve.
    but no, as soon as you delve into the established facts, it falls apart, and they daren’t even look at it.
    why did Wilen refuse to sign her statement?
    why was Ardin in the room with her while she was giving it?
    how can they maintain this boohockey about it being ‘easier to extradite from the UK’ when we can point to at least 2 high profile Sweden-to-undesirable circumstances extraditions in the Egyptians Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery?
    why is it ok for sweden to simply refuse to give reason for their refusal to do the interview in the country where the accused is, when they have previously done one for a murderer accused while he was in serbia?
    even without giving the guarantee to not extradite to the USA, can we not recognise Ecuadors diplomatic right to make an assessment of the LIKELYHOOD of that risk, based on… well, E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G., but crucially the existence of a ‘secret’ court that has been cooking up, for the last 2 years, a subpoena for Assange.

    its just eternally depressing that the assumed intellectual authorities in media are often the most deceitful and harmful to the public discourse. for shame.

  53. Ben, I have reason to believe that Ardin was an agent having worked in an embassy in South America and Stockholm. There is circumstantial evidence too. Why she sat in on the Wilen interview is incomprehensible unless it was to help dictate proceedings. I am not sure about whether Wilen had any prior involvement with the Spooks but suspect not. Others would not agree. However I believe both women have been promised substantial payouts if they can deliver Assange. Proving it would be difficult.

    The best thing that can happen is for Reinfeldt to be voted out in September and speedy negotiations with a proper government then ought to see the matter sorted, that is, Massi Fritz, Claes Borgstrom, Marriane Ny and the prosecution team should come, or send representatives, to London to question Julian Assange. He should then be free to return to his native Australia. The Australian embassy has left much to be desired in this case. That was because Bob Carr was Minister of Foreign Affairs and in bed with the Yanks. (Conversely he has called for the return of land to Palestine – so not all bad). The new minister of foreign affairs, Julie Bishop, spoke out in opposition about why Bob Carr had let an Asutralian suffer in this way. She might not find it as easy now she is in office because of other Americanophiles in high places.

    There is no case. If there had been it would have been prosecuted while Assange was in Sweden. This is totally political.

  54. “That was because Bob Carr was Minister of Foreign Affairs and in bed with the Yanks. (Conversely he has called for the return of land to Palestine – so not all bad). ”

    Dear John Goss

    Thank You for your analysis on this.

    It is the ‘not all bad’ that ‘gets’ me

    as there is no one person who is ‘all good.’

    Some years ago I was deeply moved by a book written by a lawyer-The Almond Picker.

    It was set in Italy, and the author (from dim recollections in my ‘senior’ years) was Anglo/Italian and female.

    That deeply poignant story provided my very first experience/knowing, the hideous effects of ‘political correctness/properness’ in the restrictive/repressive/controlling/totalitarian that today personifies our PTB.

    Meaning: criminals in charge of the jail
    looneys in charge of the asylum

    Not all mafia people are bad
    and not all ‘proper’ people are good

    And most concerning/alarming of all

    few people ‘know’ themselves, while ‘expert’ on Others.

    “totally political’ (EGO) is almost the total opposite of ‘True Self’ (Spirit=who we are each born to BE, while on Planet Earth…)

  55. Saw this on Medialens. Unbelievably, Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones sent a letter to BLiar supporting him in the Iraq War.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2010/10/15/keith-richards-wrote-to-blair-backing-iraq-war/

    Now the hypocrite is involved in a movement called Playing for Change.
    http://playingforchange.com/marketplace-offer/playing-for-change-3-songs-around-the-world-cddvd/

    He and his lot are also performing in Israel despite many pleas not to go.

    Rolling Stones to Perform Debut Israel Show for Record Sum
    Legendary British rock band reportedly finalizing early summer show, offered record $4.5 million.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177301

  56. Rehmat. I agree about the awfulness of Deech, an ardent Zionist but she is not a governor at the BBC now. It became a trust in Jowell’s time when she was at DCMS.

    Trustees are:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/who_we_are/trustees/

    Coyle is married to Rory Cellan Jones, technology correspondent. BBC is incestuous. Think of the Dimblebys.

    PS When I see the word ‘trustees’ I think of the word ‘trusties’ as applied to a long term prison inmates!

  57. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 May, 2014 - 4:24 pm

  58. That’s a coincidence Sofia. Brian posted in on Squonk giving its author praise and I agreed.

    Did you hear how Libyan ‘adventure’/intervention/war that the axis inflicted on Libya ended up?

    From Medialens –

    Benghazi is being bombed from the air.
    Posted by Peter on May 17, 2014, 10:56 am
    (Blogged here)http://interventionswatch.wordpress.com/2014/05/17/benghazi-is-being-bombed-from-the-air/

    This from a BBC article:

    ‘Fierce clashes in Libya killed 24 people on Friday after a paramilitary force led by a former general attacked Islamist militias in Benghazi.

    Local media reported that government troops had also joined the attack against the Islamists.

    But acting Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thinni condemned the operation as “a coup against the revolution”‘.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27448224

    The article goes on to say that ‘Eyewitnesses told the BBC that an Islamist militia base was attacked by helicopters and warplanes’.

    The ‘former General’ is Khalifa Haftar, who spent years living in Virginia in the U.S. (i.e. C.I.A. country), but who returned to Libya in 2011 to aid the ‘rebels’, and who was almost certainly a C.I.A. asset at some point in his career.

    Anyway, this guy is now reportedly bombing Benghazi from the air, and assaulting it from the ground – the prospect of which was apparently intolerable in March 2011, when it was Gadaffi threatening to do similar.

    And it will be interesting to see if the coalition of neo-conservatives, liberal imperialists, ‘humanitarian interventionists’ and pro-war anti-war activists who supported bombing Libya in 2011 to prevent such a thing happening have much to say this time around. My guess is that the silence will be deafening, as usual.

    That, or you’ll get the usual string of ‘Teething problems’ / ‘You can’t expect it to become Sweden overnight’ / ‘Are you saying Gadaffi would have been better?’ type arguments that we are still hearing about Iraq over ten years later.

    Anyway, I would say if you are able to mobilize jets and combat helicopters, like Haftar apparently has, then you have pretty big sway within the Libyan armed forces.

    That the acting Libyan Prime Minister, Abdullah al-Thinni, has condemned the attack on Benghazi is a strong signal that he’s not really in charge. And it leaves you wondering just who is.

    What you can say with a degree of certainty, though, is that 3 years on from NATO’s brutal ‘humanitarian intervention, the country is still a complete and utter mess.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1400320587.html

  59. Make no mistake about it. The UK will NOT appear in the dock, ever. Some hapless corporal, sergeant, lieutenant maybe but absolutely no one of any political import will appear as a defendant. That’s a fact.

  60. Craig…. the way you conducted yourself was admirable.

    My “dim” view. It’s a “set up”.
    Of course we’ll hear the “it woz rape” crowd.
    This guy provided “proof positive” America acted “way out of order”.
    They don’t like that !

    America has little or no credibility at all these days.

  61. “The women have rights to….” but cannot be named !
    Whereas the alleged “criminal” can be.

    Yep… “justice” !
    The “media fuel sh*te” we live in (and is used) today. Crazy times.

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