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199 thoughts on “Jonathan Powell”

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  • eddie

    Mark “and I know the figure is over 1 million”. You know nothing of the sort, of course. Are you saying IBC are a bunch of liars?

    You come across as rather pompous. “I have asked for a proper inquiry into 9/11 and 7/7 for that matter.” That’s actually quite amusing.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Eddie – if Mark really cared about the Iraq issue, he’d drop the narcissistic crazy-ass conspiracy bullshit. But I suspect he just doesn’t care.

  • technicolour

    Again, split personality eddie. Hey, here’s some basic research (in a piece defending IBC, in fact):

    “From the outset IBC stated (in its Quick FAQ) that “it is likely that many if not most civilian casualties will go unreported by the media”. IBC’s database currently contains details of over 100,000 documented civilian deaths. IBC has always stated that its figures are bound to be an undercount of civilians killed by violence, due to gaps in reporting and recording. And, clearly, Iraq mortality figures will be higher (possibly much higher) to the extent that they include other categories of deaths, eg “excess” deaths from disease or other non-violent causes, plus violent non-civilian deaths, including combatants and also Iraqi military personnel killed during the “shock and awe” phase of the invasion.”

    http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/22309

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Pompous or assertive? Naval breeding perhaps; certainly I observe most intelligent and sensitive posters here and in many other ‘blogs’ are becoming assertive because I believe that our leaders have ‘lost their way’ and this is perceived by Joe Bloggs as incompetence at best and deception and downright lies at worst.

    I have a lot of respect for commentators such as Courtenay, Ingo, Writerman and others here for their refusal to accept the ‘establishment’ or the official line.

    Brits are not ‘sheeple’ and most intelligent Brits are not ‘phased’ by this relentless ‘war on terror’ phyops bullshit; especially those Brits whose parents endured the Nazi bombings, the IRA bombs. My father was bomb disposal and my mother was an ARP warden who cheated death by a ‘doodle-bug’ explosion – so if I am a bit pompous – so be it!

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “My father was bomb disposal and my mother was an ARP warden”

    They would be quite disgusted if they knew you were citing the likes of “Captain Eric May” as authority.

    Mark, are you gonna be a member of the “Ghost Troops”?

  • Anonymous

    also this from IBC:

    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/lancet100000/

    It may already be noted, however, that Iraq Body Count, like the Lancet study, doesn’t simply report all deaths in Iraq (people obviously die from various causes all the time) but excess deaths that can be associated directly with the military intervention and occupation of the country. In doing this, and via different paths, both studies have arrived at one conclusion which is not up for serious debate: the number of deaths from violence has skyrocketed since the war was launched

  • technicolour

    The ‘Captain May’ link is to a piece on Barcelona indymedia which made my eyes hurt. Not only is it white on grey, it makes no sense. In what world is a piece on Barcelona indymedia the best primary source to link to for an American?

  • technicolour

    Although it did seem to point out that Ron Paul’s enemies were trying to use his supporters’ 9/11 theories against him. Woooh. I think I’ll start believing in Satan and join the Tory party.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    technicolour, don’t be that much of a moron. It’s not my fault that it looks sketchy – it’s the fault of Captain Eric May. He doesn’t write at any sort of reputable media outlet because he’s a nutjob. Thus, he makes charming statements like this:

    “My regular readers are by now familiar with my command of the Internet’s Ghost Troop, a cyber intelligence unit comprised of current and former service members and activist civilian researchers. A week before the 7/7/05 London bombings, Ghost Troop and its many Internet associates issued a warning that we expected the “Next 9/11″ — which we identify by the operational code 911-2B — to occur in the Houston area on 7/27/05.”

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Did you actually count them? Bwaaahhhaaa!

    Actually, it was 25 originally, but he cut it off to not mention Scott Ritter!

    Probably good that he did, because then he’d be citing Stubblebine as an authority.

    You people are just funny.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Larry,

    Don’t scoff at ‘Duct tape’ it can also be used round the mouths of fear mongers trying to push their agenda to strengthen the Patriot Act and further reduce civil liberties. C’mon lets face it these irritating sit-downs are a menace especially when our leaders are itching to strike the heart of Islam and covert indigenous fossil fuels by 2012 – no! sorry – that is a conspiracy theory!!

    Did you find the information for me on networked killing drones – I heard President Obama has signed off 2000 of the myopic, heuristic hyper-threading ‘boys toys’ even though I read somewhere they are easily jammed!

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Mark, what are you talking about? I thought we were talking about you citing crazy people as authority.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Larry,

    As I anticipated – you failed the test – go do some learning.

    OK! you done some Googling and cherry picking – well whoopee! You are obviously a candidate for scholarly plagiarism.

    Look Larry, your links are meaningless to me – I have too much inbred respect for military officers and of course you know why.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Right, Mark. Linking = plagiarism.

    Are you still telling me that you have respect for Captain Eric May?

    Once again, Mark, your idiocy is defeated. Really nice citation of the Army officers above. Tell me, why did you stop at Razer? Because the next one was Scott Ritter?

  • dreoilin

    “What puzzles me is why Larry et al, repeatedly insist on bringing this issue up here, when it has hardly been discussed at all since before they arrived.”

    My thinking too, Tony.

  • dreoilin

    Perhaps they know so little about the UK that they are sticking to the one *controversial* topic of which they have some experience.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    dreoilin, why do you keep bringing up Haiti? The U.S. military is doing incredible work there, and you’re doing everything you can to find fault.

    You’re using the deaths of thousands to score political points. Fuck you.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Look Larry, your links are meaningless to me – I have too much inbred respect for military officers and of course you know why.”

    But you don’t have a problem accusing them of mass murder. Not just in Iraq, but for the mass murder that took place on 911.

    Mark, can you even keep track of your competing idiotic thoughts?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Above, Mark Golding cited “Captain Eric May” as an authority for the 911 conspiracy nuttery. That link was just to give a little flavour in respect of “Captain Eric May”.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    dreoilin & Tony,

    I agree and annoyingly I have been sidetracked by this ‘tedious’ (as MJ pointed out earlier in the thread) interception and steering by Larry.

    Let this be a warning – His mind-set is fixed and he is dedicated to American sovereignty – so be it. 911 killed WebCameron blog dead, I believe, so with respect to Craig this is now off limits with me – dirt in the trash can – left for our (and American) children’s children to demand the truth, the real truth and to answer the many questions, bereaved American families of loved ones lost on that dreadful and catastrophic day, are still asking.

  • Jon

    I think the posting of war criminals’ pictures is an interesting experiment. Most people in the UK, I would think, would instinctively react against the suggestion that Powell is a war criminal, since the idea that the *British* government would specifically Do Evil is often too much for ordinary people to bear. What on earth could they do about it, save calling the police? Indeed, with the modern demands placed by modern capitalism on most peoples lives, do most of us even have time to care, even if we should?

    For the mainstream media, the preference is much the same, but for different reasons. The media are often part of the professional classes, and know that they can be powerful when they want to be, but key pundits and writers get to where they are by not rocking the boat. Why would they start? “Radical” positions, such as calling ones own leaders war criminals, can be expensive claims to defend, and extra costs are not welcome in the corporate media for obvious reasons.

    Eddie reacts abusively to the suggestion that Powell, Blair et al knew exactly what they were doing when they lied so repeatedly. In his case I think it might be his membership of the Labour Party which intellectually blinds him to the idea that evil people may really have taken over the party. Given the dilemmas thrown up by our first-past-the-post voting system, he ends up preferring a Labour party run by war criminals than a Conservative party, primarily because the ethic of don’t-let-the-Tories-in finds plenty of support amongst Labour Party activists. As eddie pointed out on another thread, New Labour have achieved some good things, but at what cost? Can the moral significance of a million dead Iraqis be reduced because we got some alleviation of child poverty and the institution of civil partnerships?

    Indeed, in the general case, how can people who are primarily motivated by a concern for others, such as those on the political left, change the culture of the mainly apolitical public, to break through the intellectual inertia described above? Marxists sometimes say that in order to understand the inherent problems of capitalism, one has to study *and understand* all three books in Capital, but would we say the same here? Would it really take an intellectualisation of the masses, and a popularisation of, say, Chomsky and Herman’s “Manufacturing Consent”, to achieve this?

    And how do you do all the above without risking widespread political alienation – the idea that if the party in power are evil in the way we are asked to think of our Offically Prescribed Enemies, who can you trust? Why would you vote for a lesser evil, if the lesser evil still had significant blood on their hands?

    Questions, questions… 😉

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Mark, now you’re going to cry and take your ball home? BBWWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAHHHHAAAAA.

    Good luck with that Captain Eric May! Maybe someday you’ll end up together in some American right-wing extremist camp in Idaho!

    “His mind-set is fixed and he is dedicated to American sovereignty”

    So now sovereignty is a bad thing? Doesn’t someone like you prefer the concept of sovereignty?

    Or are you talking about hegemony?

    Is this another case where you got your crazy mixed up?

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