464 thoughts on “And in next week’s Guardian, Joseph Goebells reviews Mein Kampf.

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  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    “Drone attacks are violation of International Law in United Nations Charter Article 24.

    Drones are currently killing people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. It should be noted that the United States is not at war with any of those countries, which should mean that in a sane world the killing is illegal under? both international law and the U.S. Constitution,” states Philip Girald, a former CIA officer and fellow of the? American Conservative Defense Alliance.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJwFk9UFc0M

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    MORE FUCKING DRONE ATTACKS!

    Drone attacks are violation of International Law in United Nations Charter Article 24.

    Drones are currently killing people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. It should be noted that the United States is not at war with any of those countries, which should mean that in a sane world the killing is illegal under? both international law and the U.S. Constitution,” states Philip Girald, a former CIA officer and fellow of the? American Conservative Defense Alliance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJwFk9UFc0M

  • Parky

    right on Suhayl! I am in complete agreement with you on the piss poor state of british print and broadcast media and that is why I don’t buy them or watch any of the tripe that masquerades as tv news jounalism. I can’t see things changing any time soon.

  • Courtenay Barnett

    @ All,

    There are blind spots when one’s nation goes to war. The “savages” on the other side are easily identified for their brutal acts, for indeed their resistance in warfare is “savage” – lives are taken and the results of the same do not exactly present a pretty picture. However, our troops’ actions in illegal wars and invasions somehow take on a totally different complexion. Our sons and daughters are more sacred than theirs; our sense of sovereignty is more sacrosanct than theirs; and our humanity takes on greater significance than theirs. They are in effect, and after all, the “savage” enemy.

    The arrogance and inhumanity that pervades in situations of war has much to do with the effectiveness of the propaganda machines supporting the war. Nasser is a good example of ineffective propoganda. Goebbels is a very good example of the effectiveness of propaganda. This comment is intended to throw light on Craig’s opening remarks.

    We in the West are desensitised because the media “bombards” ( pun intended) us with a literal blitzkrieg of misinformation and lighthearted entertainment 24/7 that quite effectively succeeds in deadening our critical and analytical faculties and diverts public attention away from the issues that impact our political and economic existence to trivia en mass.

    It is therefore very instructive to reflect on where we in the West are coming from by reference to the recent past:-

    “The Vietnam War: Destroying the Village In Order to Save It

    Revolution #027, December 19, 2005, posted at revcom.us

    “It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it.”

    — An American major after the destruction of the Vietnamese Village Ben Tre

    On March 16, 1968, a company of U.S. soldiers went into the village of My Lai 4, in Vietnam. A soldier later testified, “The order we were given was to kill and destroy everything that was in the village. It was clearly explained that there were to be no prisoners.”

    “We met no resistance and I only saw three captured weapons. We had no casualties. It was just like any other Vietnamese village-old papa-sans, women and kids,” a soldier said describing what they found on entering My Lai. “As a matter of fact, I don’t remember seeing one military-age male in the entire place, dead or alive.”

    The U.S. soldiers started killing everyone in sight. A U.S. soldier later testified:

    “There was an old lady in a bed and I believe there was a priest in white praying over her… [U.S. Lt.] Calley pulled the old man outside. He said a few more words to the monk. It looked like the monk was pleading for his life. Lt. Calley then took his rifle and pushed the monk into a rice paddy and shot him point-blank.”

    An order was given to push all the Vietnamese who had been forced into the area into a ditch. A soldier later recounted: “I began shooting them all. I guess I shot maybe 25 or 20 people in the ditch…men, women, and children. And babies.” A baby crawling away from the ditch was grabbed and thrown back into the ditch and shot.

    All over the village, platoons of U.S. soldiers were committing similar atrocities. The huts that the villagers lived in and their crops were burned, their livestock killed. Some of the dead were mutilated by having “C Company” carved into their chests; some were disemboweled. Women were raped. One GI would later say,

    “You didn’t have to look for people to kill, they were just there. I cut their throats, cut off their hands, cut out their tongues, and scalped them. I did it. A lot of people were doing it and I just followed.”

    The story of the American massacre at My Lai only came to light because of the persistent efforts of GIs who refused to let the story die.

    Lt. Calley was the only soldier convicted of any of the atrocities that took place at My Lai. Despite being convicted of killing over 100 unarmed Vietnamese, Calley served only two days in jail! Nixon then ordered him put under house arrest at Fort Benning, where he could live in a nice apartment, cook his own food, receive guests, watch TV and go to town for supplies (accompanied by MPs). Calley was released from house arrest in just over three years and was able to make large amounts of money speaking to right-wing groups.

    Unique Only in the Details

    Over 400 Vietnamese were killed in the massacre at My Lai. The name of the village became a symbol of U.S. brutality and the U.S. tried to portray it as an action by rogue soldiers. But as historian Howard Zinn writes, “My Lai was unique only in its details.”

    In 2004, the Toledo Blade newspaper, won the Pulitzer Prize for reporting on atrocities committed more than 35 years earlier by the U.S. Tiger Force unit in the Vietnam War.

    “Women and children were intentionally blown up in underground bunkers. Elderly farmers were shot as they toiled in the fields,” The Blade reported. ” Prisoners were tortured and executed–their ears and scalps severed for souvenirs. One soldier kicked out the teeth of executed civilians for their gold fillings.”

    In his book Flower of the Dragon, Richard Boyle, a journalist who went to My Lai to investigate the massacre, says:

    “My Lai was not the act of one man. It was not the act of one platoon, or one company. It was the result of an ordered, planned and well-conducted campaign conceived at high command levels to teach a lesson to the villagers of Quang Ngai province. The killing, of course, is part of a definite political strategy, a strategy usually described as the ‘pacification’ of Vietnamese villagers.”

    What was this “pacification” strategy? In order to cut off support for the National Liberation Front, the U.S. strategy was to use terror to drive peasants into what were called strategic hamlets where they would be under constant surveillance of the U.S. and South Vietnamese Army forces. Atrocities like My Lai were the means to carry this out.

    “Bomb them back to the stone age”

    “Bomb them back to the stone age.”

    — U.S. General Curtis LeMay during the Vietnam War

    By the end of the Vietnam War the U.S. military had dropped more than 7 million tons of bombs– more than twice the total tonnage dropped on Europe and Asia during all of World War 2–on a country roughly the size of New Mexico. This is almost one 500 pound bomb for every man, woman, and child in the country. Twenty million bomb craters are all over Vietnam. The craters fill with water and are breeding grounds for mosquitoes that plague the country today with malaria and dengue fever.

    In South Vietnam, much of the bombing, like the “search and destroy” missions, was aimed at driving civilians out of the villages. They also defoliated large sections of the countryside to deprive the Vietnamese freedom fighters of places to hide.

    The U.S. planes dropped anti-personnel bombs (containing thousands of flesh-shredding darts), white phosphorus incendiary bombs, huge “daisy cutter” bombs that turned jungle into flattened football fields, and jellied gasoline bombs called napalm. The notorious chemical Agent Orange was sprayed over tens of millions of acres–poisoning crops, forests, and human beings.

    In the North, the U.S. unleashed massive air attacks aimed at civilian targets, aiming to break the will of the people to resist. U.S. bombs fell on densely populated areas like Hanoi. Bombers deliberately targeted dikes in the North threatening to flood massive areas of the county.

    U.S. war planners wrote that a major objective of the U.S. bombing raids on North Vietnam was not to kill its population but to maim them. They argued that serious injury is more disruptive than death as people have to be employed to look after the injured where they only have to bury the dead.

    Today, people who flew these missions, like John McCain in the Senate, are treated as distinguished heroes. But just because their mass murder took place at a distance, is it any less of a war crime than the killings of My Lai?

    An Unjust War, Wrapped in Lies

    A war is defined by the political goals it serves. The U.S. invasion of Vietnam was an unjust war–a war of conquest aimed at breaking the will of an oppressed people and imposing foreign domination over them. The U.S. wanted to encircle China and prevent the Maoist revolution there from rippling outward–toppling oppressive governments “like falling dominos” in Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines. U.S. imperialism wanted to preserve for itself the freedom to exploit the hundreds of millions of people in this region, by any means necessary. And increasingly as the war went on, it was part of the growing imperialist contention between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

    The War in Vietnam came wrapped in lies. The U.S. claimed that it was defending a democratic ally, South Vietnam, from an invasion by North Vietnam. In fact, the Vietnamese were a single people who had long fought for liberation and unification–from the French colonialists, then the Japanese, then the French again, and in the 1960s and 1970s from the U.S.

    President Eisenhower had prevented elections in southern Vietnam and created a pro-U.S. dictatorship there–openly admitting that the masses of people would have voted for the revolutionary leader Ho Chi Minh if given the chance.

    When the revolutionary people’s war spread through the villages of southern Vietnam during the early 1960s and threatened the pro-U.S. government–the U.S. invented an incident in the Gulf of Tonkin to justify a massive escalation in order to keep control by force.

    The horrible crimes committed by the U.S. in Vietnam flowed directly from the nature of the war.”

    AND ?”

    “Colin Powell and Vietnam

    Colin Powell during his second tour of duty in Vietnam (his first tour was spent torching villages throughout the A Shau Valley) played a key role in covering up massacres by U.S. soldiers. Powell was assigned to investigate charges contained in a letter by a young specialist fourth class named Tom Glen, which exposed My Lai-like atrocities.

    Glen’s letter said that that he had seen Vietnamese civilians shot in the back by U.S. soldiers who “for mere pleasure, fire indiscriminately into Vietnamese homes and without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves.” Glens letter also exposed torture as part of soldiers interrogating “suspects.”

    Powell response was a complete cover up. He never questioned Glen or assigned anyone else to talk with him. Powell claimed that Glens charges couldnt be true because U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were taught to treat Vietnamese courteously and respectfully and that the soldiers had gone through an hour-long course on how to treat prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions. Powell concluded saying that, “relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent.” ”

    And so ?” so be it ?” drones away, and bombs too!

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    “Ladies and gentlemen,

    The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society and we are, as a people, inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings; for we are opposed [in Britain, America and Israel] by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence; on infiltration instead of invasion, on intimidation instead of free choice.

    It is a desire which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed not published, its mistakes are buried not headlined, its dissenters are silenced not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no secret is revealed.

    That is why the Athenian lawmakers soul, decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. I am asking your help to the tremendous task of informing and alerting the British people, confident that with your help, man [and woman] will be what he was born to be, free and independent.”

    JFK – last speech before his murder.

  • Carlyle Moulton

    The Guardian moderator deleted your comment. If you saved a copy why not reproduce it here.

  • Courtenay Barnett

    JFK – despite his Dad, had seen the belly of the beast, as Eisenhower did, who warned of the actions of the military-industrial complex. This is not the kind of path a President safely can walk. Eisenhower was never as problematic and Kennedy had become.Obama never will – he long since made his deal with the devil.

    JFK was as a consequence – assasinated.

    People in large measure, simply do not question ( Athenians must be turning in their graves when the name of “democracy” is invoked in modern day statecraft).

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Whistle-blower targets ZIM integrated shipping services, a company that pulled out of the WTC a week before the attack. Zim had containers near the complex many times and I believe was the source of the military explosives found in the scientific analysis WTC dust. The movement is gaining momentum, with main stream advertising important people are exerting influence and the day of awareness is approaching fast.

    The WTC Test Run:

    jsonders.org/jwplayer/OregonCoolingTowerDemolitioned.htm

    The Back-ground:

    http://www.maskofzion.com/2010/09/911-israels-grand-deception.html

    Thank-you for your interest (if any)

    The Awakening (what to do when truth dawns and the deception becomes widely known and accepted) –

    (1) Do not panic

    (2) You will be safe

    (3) You will be loved

    (4) Many people will help the nervous, the infirm, the young and the vulnerable.

    Stay tuned to:

    http://www.alwasatiyyah.com/

    for advice.

    Kieron

    student investigative reporter

  • tony_opmoc

    Now, personally I found that a little strange. Is The Telegraph – or The Pope reading what I write – Don’t be so ridiculous…???

    But yesterday, despite possible encroaching Alzheirmers – or it may just be old age – I wrote something about Boris Johnson – and his rejection of Torture – and his warning to George Bush that he might get arrested in Hay-On-Wire (Yes we have been there)

    And I also said something about the Pope and condoms…

    I mean FFS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/the-pope/8148944/The-Pope-drops-Catholic-ban-on-condoms-in-historic-shift.html

    What the hell is going on?

    Tony

  • Roderick Russell

    In 2002, The Guardian reported on the famous publicist Max Clifford, under the headline: “Journalism is bloody horrible”. Some of Mr. Clifford’s quotes in this article include: “I censor things as well”… “For every story I break, I stop a dozen” … “I’m good at covering up anything I don’t want people to know”. When it comes to covert (hidden) censorship, the most dangerous form of censorship, it seems that the UK press is all too easily censored.

  • tony_opmoc

    Life is all about summoning up that little bit of extra courage….

    Now confident extrovert people don’t really understand this…

    But introverted shy people do…It is about the fear of rejection…

    Now we all have our ups and downs, and some of us actually commit suicide during our downs. Personally I would recommend listening to Leonard Cohen when you are really depressed cos – well particularly his early stuff explores the depth of depression in such detail – that it makes you feel better. FFS I don’t feel that bad (well I do) I have just lost the person I completely and utterley really love. And you know there is no going back. You cannot get back what you have lost – and it is all your fault….

    So Tony asked me? I said I will ask the Boss. She said Oh Yeh = I would Love To…I said have you got any beer in – Tony said yeh sure….and so I invited everyone back to Tony’s – and I kind of delegated one of my friends – to go and get some more beer…

    Which he did

    So we all went back to Tony’s place…

    He is a Really Nice Bloke

    Tony

  • angrysoba

    Mark: “JFK – last speech before his murder.”

    He made that speech in 1961. It was two and a half years before his murder. Unsurprisingly he made a number of speeches between that time and his assassination.

    “for we are opposed [in Britain, America and Israel] by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence; on infiltration instead of invasion, on intimidation instead of free choice.”

    Did he actually mention Britain, America and Israel? It seems you have added those countries to editorialize. In fact, Kennedy talked in conspiratorial terms about Communism. He and his brother were fiercely anti-Communist and particularly anti-Castro. Kennedy worked tirelessly to have Castro assassinated. He also worked hard to have other leaders overthrown such as in the Dominican Republic and Guyana and also others assassinated such as Diem in Vietnam.

    Courteney: “JFK – despite his Dad, had seen the belly of the beast, as Eisenhower did, who warned of the actions of the military-industrial complex. This is not the kind of path a President safely can walk. Eisenhower was never as problematic and Kennedy had become.Obama never will – he long since made his deal with the devil.”

    Most US presidents in the twentieth century were targets of assassination attempts.

    “The assassination of William McKinley took place at 4:07 p.m. on Friday, September 6, 1901, at the Temple of Music in Buffalo, New York. McKinley, attending the Pan-American Exposition, was shot twice by Leon Czolgosz, an anarchist. McKinley died eight days later, on September 14, 1901, at 2:15 a.m.”

    “October 13, 1912: Three and a half years after he left office, Roosevelt was running for President as a member of the Progressive party established in 1912 by Roosevelt and other political free thinkers, after he split from the Republican Party which he had served as a member of during his Presidency. In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, John F. Schrank, a saloon-keeper from New York, shot Roosevelt once with a .38 caliber revolver. A 50-page speech folded over twice in Roosevelt’s breast pocket and a metal glasses case slowed the bullet. Amidst the commotion, Roosevelt yelled out, “Quiet! I’ve been shot.” Roosevelt insisted on giving his speech with the bullet still lodged inside him. During his speech Roosevelt stated, “It takes more than one bullet to bring down a Bull Moose” ”

    “On February 15, 1933 in Miami, Florida, Giuseppe Zangara fired five shots at [Franklin D.] Roosevelt. The assassination attempt occurred one month before Roosevelt was sworn in for his first term in office. Four people were wounded and Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak was killed.”

    “On November 1, 1950, two Puerto Rican pro-independence activists, Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola, attempted to kill Truman. A violent gun battle ensued between the assassins and the Secret Service, resulting in the death of White House Policeman Leslie Coffelt. Coffelt was able to kill Torresola before blacking out and soon dying. Collazo survived with serious injuries. He was pardoned by President Jimmy Carter in 1979. Truman was not harmed.”

    “December 11, 1960: While vacationing in Palm Beach, Florida, President-elect John F. Kennedy’s life was threatened by Richard Paul Pavlick, a 73-year-old former postal worker. Pavlick’s plan was to serve as a suicide bomber by crashing his dynamite-laden 1950 Buick into Kennedy’s vehicle, but the plan was disrupted when Pavlick saw Kennedy’s wife and daughter bidding him goodbye.[11] That attack of conscience foiled the opportunity, with Pavlick’s arrest by the Secret Service coming three days later after he was stopped for a driving violation, with the dynamite still in his car. Pavlick spent the next six years in both federal prison and mental institutions before being released in December 1966.”

    “February 22, 1974: Samuel Byck apparently planned to kill Nixon by crashing a commercial airliner into the White House.[12] Once he had hijacked the plane on the ground, he was informed that it could not take off with the wheel blocks still in place. He shot the pilot and copilot, then was shot by an officer through the plane’s door window before killing himself. The events surrounding this assassination attempt were depicted in the film The Assassination of Richard Nixon.”

    “Gerald Ford

    [edit] First assassination attempt

    September 5, 1975: On the northern grounds of the California State Capitol, Lynette Fromme, a follower of Charles Manson, drew a Colt M1911 .45 caliber pistol on Ford when he reached to shake her hand in a crowd. There were four cartridges in the pistol’s magazine but the firing chamber was empty. She was soon restrained by Secret Service agent Larry Buendorf. Fromme was sentenced to life in prison, but was released from custody on August 14, 2009, nearly 3 years after Ford’s death.[13]

    [edit] Second assassination attempt

    September 22, 1975: In San Francisco, California, Sara Jane Moore fired a revolver at Ford from 40 feet (12 m) away.[14] A bystander, Oliver Sipple, grabbed Moore’s arm and the shot missed Ford.[15] Moore was sentenced to life in prison.[16] She was later paroled from a federal prison on Monday, December 31, 2007 (370 days after Ford’s death) after serving more than 30 years.”

    “On March 30, 1981, as he returned to his limousine following a speaking engagement at the Hilton Washington Hotel in Washington, D.C., Reagan and three others were shot and wounded by John Hinckley, Jr., who hoped to impress teen actress Jodie Foster. The others that were shot were White House Press Secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy, and D.C. police officer Thomas Delahanty, all of whom survived, though Brady, the most seriously wounded, was permanently disabled. Reagan survived and recovered after emergency surgery at nearby George Washington University Hospital.”

    “George H. W. Bush

    April 13, 1993: Sixteen men, said to be in the employment of Saddam Hussein, smuggled a car bomb into Kuwait with the intent of killing Bush as he spoke at Kuwait University. The plot was foiled when Kuwaiti officials found the bomb and arrested the suspected assassins.[17] Bush had left office in January 1993. The Iraqi Intelligence Service, particularly Directorate 14, is thought to be behind the plot,[18] though Seymour Hersh says evidence is thin.”

    “September 12, 1994: Frank Eugene Corder flew a single-engine Cessna into the White House lawn, allegedly trying to hit the White House. The President and First Family were not home at the time, thus the actual motive behind the crash landing is inconclusive. Corder was the only casualty”

    “October 29, 1994: Francisco Martin Duran fired at least 29 shots with a semi-automatic rifle at the White House from a fence overlooking the north lawn, thinking that Clinton was among the men in dark suits standing there (Clinton was in the White House Residence watching a football game). Three tourists, Harry Rakowsky, Ken Davis and Robert Haines, tackled Duran before he could injure anyone. Duran was found to have a suicide note in his pocket and was sentenced to 40 years in prison”

    “November 2006: In anticipation of the former president’s visit to Manila in the Philippines, al Qaeda operative Ramzi Yousef, who claimed to have been instructed by Osama bin Laden supposedly planned to blow up his motorcade. The plan was thought to have been aborted due to heavy security”

    “May 10, 2005: While President George W. Bush was giving a speech in the Freedom Square in Tbilisi, Georgia, Vladimir Arutyunian threw a live Soviet-made RGD-5 hand grenade towards the podium where Bush was standing and where Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, the First Lady of the United States Laura Bush, the First Lady of Georgia Sandra Roelofs, and officials were seated. The grenade was live and had its pin pulled, but did not explode because a red tartan handkerchief wrapped tightly around the grenade kept the firing pin from deploying quickly enough”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#Attempted_assassinations

  • writerman

    Employing Campbell to write this crap is a cynical move to stir up psuedo-controversy, which is a tried and true method in the media. Nothing really wrong with that, as we’ve all got to eat.

    However, this isn’t just ordinary journalism crap. This is grosteque humour dealing with an appalling subject, which simply isn’t funny. A horendous warcrime invloving colossal destrution and hundreds of thousands of needless deaths, tremendous suffering and pain… and for nothing, based on a trail of terrible lies. God, I almost forgot the massive, mind-numbing expense, 4 trillion dollars and rising!

    That Campbell and Blair and Bush, can still walk around freely, and aren’t on trial for their truly massive crimes, shows just how pathetic, degenerate, our post-democratic society has become. Where the Law doesn’t apply to the powerful anymore.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Your argument, angrysoba, presumably being that JFK was killed by a lone assassin acting on his own volition, not under any form of mind control and not involved in any sort of conspiracy with any organisations or cells.

    The JFK (and RFK) assassinations are old chestnuts which will never go away. Tomes have been written on the subject, from all angles.

    Of course, the fact that all US presidents/ presidential candidates have been the subject of assassination attempts, mostly undertaken by lone nuts, does not rule out the possibility that one or more might have been organised conspiracies.

    I know you didn’t introduce the subject. I think Courtney did. But if we get onto JFK/ RFK, it’s likely that we’ll be here, on this thread, for a century! And the journalism critique will be forgotten.

  • somebody

    Well said, Writerman!

    “Where the law ends, there tyranny begins.”

    I thought John Locke said those words but this site has them as William Pitt the Elder’s.

    http://www.allgreatquotes.com/law_quotes.shtml

    Angrysoba – I had forgotten about the failed attempt on Bush Jnr’s life. No way to go but a great pity that the Georgian did not succeed. Think how many lives would have been saved since then. Wonder what happened to the Georgian?

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    The war-criminals will walk free until the wise and compassionate people of Great Britain and America support the work of many good people, too many to tribute here (although I hold them in esteem and gratitude) that extricated the true facts behind the Zionist plans that ultimately changed the political landscape.

    The Zionists have been frustrated, the time-frame of their work extended by the abortive war in Iraq that was abandoned, forsaken and surrendered by overwhelming world pressure before the conspiracy to involve and conquer Iran, the final gaol, was realised.

    A danger now exists that Israel will attack Iran in desperation, despondency and a recklessness inspired by panic that Israel is now exposed as a terrorist state, her fait accompli assured by those aware that Zionist world order is antithetical to their children’s freedom, eudaemonia and protection.

  • alan campbell

    Whenever I hear the word “Zionist” bandied around, it reminds me of Rik on The Young Ones: “Fascist!”. And many of us are old enough to remember just how daft and pretentious he was too.

  • Vronsky

    “And many of us are old enough to remember just how daft and pretentious he was too.”

    I loved that series. Like many other things, it screamed past over your head Alan. You have ducked too low, and missed life.

    When that was first being broadcast I was an exile, working down in Lichfield (Staffs) with a few compatriots. We used to go to the George & Dragon in Alrewas, into the side room with the telly, pint of beer, steak and chips, watch the Young Ones.

    I passed through on a walking holiday recently (Heart of England Way: recommended) and the pub is still there, and the side room, and the telly. Spooky. Too much water under the bridge since those days. I moved on quickly.

    Pleasant memories of nice, if unsexy, company car I had at that time – Vauxhall Carlton, 2 litre. Heading from the West Midlands back to Scotland for the weekend, 120 mph down off Shap. I got into trouble with the fleet manager for burning more oil than petrol. Defence: I was always aiming to catch the Queens in Lockerbie, and their wonderful steak sandwich bar snack.

    Fuck. So often I sound like tony_opmoc. I’ve reverse-engineered a troll.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Angrysober,

    ‘Jack’ Kennedy’s last word was ‘committed’ as I am, committed to peace.

    The Kennedy speech segment I refer to is not of course the formal speech made at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City before the American Newspaper Publishers Association.

    To believe in Jack’s words I have transcribed, you must understand the moral make-up of this great man, his beliefs and his aspirations.

    His foundations were cemented by a deep admiration for the Athenian law-maker Solon and his concept of a unique and intriguing experiment in direct democracy, where the people do not elect representatives to vote on their behalf but vote on legislation and executive bills in their own right.

    The participants were constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal. (Hignett, History of the Athenian Constitution)

    His shocking death stood at the forefront of a period of political and social instability in the country and the world.

    Dedication:

    http://www.jfk50.org/

    John F. Kennedy and the Monolithic and Ruthless Conspiracy

    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/125009-John-F-Kennedy-and-the-Monolithic-and-Ruthless-Conspiracy

    Your beliefs are our beliefs – your vision our vision – your fight our fight.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Mark Golding: “JFK – last speech before his murder.”

    How you conspiracy nuts bastardize that speech is immensely laughable.

    1. He made that speech in 1961, not 1963.

    2. He was talking about communists advancing around the globe, and the necessity of a free press to counteract the threat.

    3. You buffoons have completely misquoted a speech that’s been available for decades. In fact, you’re rewritten the speech to somehow fit your craziness. I also especially love how you morons turned, “That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed …” into “That is why the Athenian lawmakers soul, decreed …”

    Here’s the speech, you conspiraloon.

    http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/JFK/003POF03NewspaperPublishers04271961.htm

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Oh – I didn’t notice how angrysoba rightly objected to your silliness.

    But then you say, “The Kennedy speech segment I refer to is not of course the formal speech made at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City before the American Newspaper Publishers Association.”

    Right, so JFK made an almost identical speech (subject to the editing of you conspiraloons) two years later, right before his death.

    Right.

    Obviously, you spend too much time believing everything you read on far-right-wing American websites.

    Do you have any evidence that he made such a twisted speech?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Suhayl: “Your argument, angrysoba, presumably being that JFK was killed by a lone assassin acting on his own volition, not under any form of mind control …”

    Suhayl, could you just admit now that you’re the worst doctor to ever have been granted a diploma in the UK? Do you really think it was possible in 1963 for a person’s mind to be controlled insofar as he would take part in the assassination of a political leader, including his shooting of a Dallas police officer?

    Clearly you have very little understanding of the fundamentals of the human brain. Clearly whatever you understand of the human brain has been unduly influenced by fictional television and movies (Dr. Who, The Manchurian Candidate, etc.).

    Thankfully the good people of Scotland do not now have to suffer through your bad advice.

    Patient: I’ve been suffering from headaches and nausea, but nonetheless a desire to eat pork fat.

    Suhayl: It could be American mind control. Or it could be your reaction to MI6 following your every move.

    Patient: Well my girlfriends tell me that I could be pregnant …

    Suhayl: (interrupting) Heh! Who’s got the medical degree here?!

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Larry

    “Oh – I didn’t notice…” – that is why you are a property lawyer; that is why your mind twix apartheid barriers that constrain any free thought or reasoning condemning you to eternal frustration as witnessed by your revealing posts.

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