My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@James… to give a bit of balance some previous links posted on here soon turn into pages displaying 404 server not found etc … I’ve seen it happen a few times over the last few days
“D notice as usual is in place.media fully paid up and on side”
Another Anders quote, I fear.
Can I also see the data on that ?
Not from “LoveTv.News” or where ever you think you can “trump” this up from.
But I would like to see what you have found ?
Or again…like the flight out of Geneva which never took place.
Prove me wrong. I’m more than fine with that.
to give a bit of balance some previous links posted on here soon turn into pages displaying 404 server not found etc … I’ve seen it happen a few times over the last few days
I write….
Such a thing that these wise men find….and it was not “screen shot” or saved in any other way ???
What was the address of this “page” ?
TVQuick.Rubbish
I add. It should be a “proven” person. Not so lay about hobo as you two “Tony Roma and Anders” appear to be.
Link please ? and Flight details of your General ???
@ watcher
These forums are the keyboard warriors equivalent of a winos park bench. After a few drinks (come on, you’re all on it!) we have the world sussed!
………………….
Speak for yourself -I’m sober.
Re the shooter leaving on foot – if I were of a mind to tail a cyclist I’d tail them on a bike. How else could you? You couldn’t in a car or on foot. Just sayin…
Something else about rafman’s interview. He was at pains to point out that the area was very popular. The fact that it was so quiet that day ws highly unusual – he said it was usual for 3 or 5 (or 5 or 6) cars to be parked in that car park. Why did he know? He’s been there at least 20 times over the years. He elaborated the point by adding he’d even been to that carpark with his OWN family. TMI? I thought so. Seemed to me he was implying there was nothing up with the Al Hilli’s being at that carpark….tryig to dispel any thoughts that they were there to meet someone. I found it odd that he came out with that.
How about the link at the top of the page that Craig Murray has already published he quotes Janesmith101
So..Roma
We have name calling of Mr Martin.
I read earlier (your comment to the German), PARAPHASED… “I hope you dont mention the turks as we’ll use them to invade Iran via Syria”
A “D” notice that “neither” of you have saved ?
And a flight plan from Geneva that was not saved.
Gentlemen, as tiresome as you are, I will not relent on this subject….but will continue upon it until you supply the material that you have quoted.
@James, the last one I saw was a link to a thread on a site called boomantribune, just work your way back or search the thread and click = 404
Dopey….
I have been on standby until 1.00am zulu….and myside it’s even later than were you are.
So this can go on and on.
…and I am sober as a pilot on standby.
However, I want to out these “muck spreaders”.
I ask…as previously, for the relevant screen shots.
These are important would you not agree ?
So they must have saved them, surely.
Can they not publish them on here ? They have already put Mr Martin to the “cross”.
Show us what you have “boyz” ?
http://www.boomantribune.com/
That !
You are quoting this as “evidence” for the D Notice !
Am I (are we) really expected to take this ????
Moreover, this is the only piece of “info site” that these pathetic creatures are relying on !
Words fail me.
I would like more (than this).
And I still await the flight plan from Geneva.
Dont tell me, it was on “Wagadogagogo” dot for f*cksake !
http://www.boomantribune.com/
Watcher …
And you are relying on this site ?
@James No clearly that link works and does not result in a 404 error ….There are links on this thread that now do, and didn’t previously.
The wording of the D Notice has already being pasted into this thread, please look
I notice that NOBODY has paused to giver prayers to the 4 Dead:
Seo sláinte an tséitéara, an ghadaí, an trodaí, agus an óltóra!
Má dhéanann tu séitéireacht, go ndéana tú séitéireacht ar an mbás, Má ghoideann tú, go ngoide tú croí mná;
Má throideann tú, go dtroide tú i leith do bhráthar, Agus má ólann tú, go n-óla tú liom féin.
I’m not endorsing a particular site, just saying there was a thread stating the israeli / nuclear angles and this has now been taken down
@Anders,
what are the chances that if you ignored all these spooks they would go away and this thread could get back to being worth reading?
@James, Mark, etc,
as your work here is so transparent, is it not now a waste of time?
I for one just skip past all your posts to get to something that might be worth reading.
“The wording of the D Notice has already being pasted into this thread, please look”
from whom ?
Watcher, you sit there “asking questions”…and you accept this !
Are you a teenager ?
Meanwhile, and is cut and pasting “Irish” for the prayers for the dead !
So….and again I ask, the flight plan you quote ?
Where is it.
Or is it just “quotes” from websites ????
…and Watcher, shane on you.
Wording of alleged D notice –
Today (06.09.2012) at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.
No mention of his links to the Security Services
No mention of his links to Iran
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing
Pretty matches the gaps in mainstream news coverage ?
Makka…or is it Anders again ???
“our work is what” ?
I ask questions ? And that is “transparent” ???
You are clearly as “whacko” as the other fella.
Are you saying (blinking of people apart) you have seen this Flight Plan from Geneva ? Has someone called you with regard this ? Or is this just bullshit you either believe…or are “pumping” it ?
@Anders,
what are the chances that if you ignored all these spooks
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Nice thought, but too late Makka. 😉
The SPOOKS invaded as soon as we started questioning the FAIRYTALE(tm). 🙂
Watcher….
Cut and paste this terrific bit of info into to the controlled google…
What do you get ?
Well “snooker” comes close to top, if you get my meaning.
So what youre saying is, this here, is just a “pumping and dumping” station for those “believers” that tell themselves the same thing…
…and yet I thought it was for people who could think !!!!
Biz Arre !
So..other than that piece of rubbish…each other telling each other something…can I see the direct link, the crucial bit of info, that this hangs on ?
…and I would also like the flight plan please.
@dopey
http://www.facebook.com/hussain.alhilli1
Hussain Al Hilli
11 September
Most of you heard about the tragic brutal murder of my cousin, dear friend Saad Al-hilli and his family in France last Thursday..I am still receiving many e-mails,messages,and requests on facebook from unknown people mostly what I think are media people..PLEASE stop doing that and respect my privacy..I myself in the media field for more than 30 years and I know what meaning to get information or t
ip for a story ..but not on this..!!…I will not give any comment or information to any people from media WHILE INVESTIGATION IS GOING ON..
For those journalists and others who have contacted me on e-mail,facebook and even on my mobile..please stop doing that I will not reply regarding this issue..lets all respect Saad and his family..lets all prey that investigation reach a positive results and justice take it course and those who committed that cruel brutal massacre will be punished …
The linked SAH FB page features a few SSTL staffers.(Not the same HAH, I know)
Anders is now “posting to himself” as Makka !!
Biz Arre again.
Anders, you’re quick to respond to him….where is my response to the flight plan from Geneva you talk of ?
Prove me wrong mucker.
Re the shooter leaving on foot – if I were of a mind to tail a cyclist I’d tail them on a bike. How else could you? You couldn’t in a car or on foot. Just sayin…
Something else about rafman’s interview. He was at pains to point out that the area was very popular. The fact that it was so quiet that day ws highly unusual – he said it was usual for 3 or 5 (or 5 or 6) cars to be parked in that car park. Why did he know? He’s been there at least 20 times over the years. He elaborated the point by adding he’d even been to that carpark with his OWN family. TMI? I thought so. Seemed to me he was implying there was nothing up with the Al Hilli’s being at that carpark….tryig to dispel any thoughts that they were there to meet someone. I found it odd that he came out with that.
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Nice post dopey, Agree with most of it.
@james
I’ve had ENOUGH of royal tits, lately, ta. 🙂
@James your starting to sound like a toddler sitting in a soiled nappy, I want , I want , I want ….. go and find yourself maybe rather than stamping feet and demanding ?
“The SPOOKS invaded as soon as we started questioning the FAIRYTALE(tm)”.
Quote by Anders
No problem.
I am just asking for
A. The D Notice info (not some college boy with a website)
and
B. The Flight plan info from LSGG that you know.
How is that “questioning” ??
Two things
FB friend of SAH
http://www.surrey.ac.uk/professionaltraining/why/profiles/sami_alsami.htm
Cheers Watcher, maybe I can brush up on my driving skills with you, one day 😉
Wording of alleged D notice –
Today (06.09.2012) at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.
No mention of his links to the Security Services
No mention of his links to Iran
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing
Pretty matches the gaps in mainstream news coverage ?
Yes, as we all know, we are getting fucking zilch from the mainstream press.
Carry on, spooks! 🙂
Watcher…
If you quote it…back it up.
Dog with a bone am I mucker. And I hate liars and cheats.
T’is the Irish in me
…my mother was Italian though, so you can see I had problems from the “get go”
Messina Vs Co Cork. Not a good trait.
Still… I want to see what these liars have….or don’t have.
I’ll not let go.
fb friend of SAH
http://www.facebook.com/rafid.elwailly
But Mae Faisal El-Wailly, a childhood friend of the brothers, made available a letter written to her by Saad last year that alluded to a possible inheritance dispute. She said the brothers’ father had died recently, and she described the family as wealthy and well-travelled.
“Zaid and I do not communicate any more as he is another control freak and tried a lot of underhanded things even when my father was alive,” Saad wrote. The letter was dated Sept. 16, 2011.
“He tried to take control of fathers assets and demanded control,” the letter says. “(A)nyway it is a long story and now I have just had to wipe him out of my life. Sad but I need to concentrate now on my wife and two lovely girls…”
[CBC Sept 7]
Friend Mae Faisal El-Wailly released details of the letter, which read: “Zaid and I do not communicate any more as he is another control freak and tried a lot of underhand things even when my father was alive.
“He tried to take control of father’s assets and demanded control.
“Anyway it is a long story and I have just had to wipe him out of my life.”
[Mirror Sept 9]