The referendum result is the loss of a chance to dispute the hegemony of the neo-con corporate elite in the international world. My heart is still bursting with pride that 45% of Scots – a people devoid of political autonomy for three hundred years – had the nerve, intellect and will to see through the avalanche of propaganda from the entire mainstream media, political establishment, banking sector and corporate world. I met numerous voters who had received letters from their employers – including Diageo, BP, RNS and many others – telling them to vote No or their job was in danger. I met the old lady in Dundee who was told by the Labour Party that independent Scotland would flood the country with immigrants, and a Romanian building worker in Edinburgh who had been told by the Labour Party that Independent Scotland would deport all East Europeans.
Yesterday the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and Daily Mirror in Scotland all had precisely the same full page photo on their front cover – not a startling news snap, but an arty concoction of male silhouettes and union and Scottish flags. The Mirror had photoshopped it to remove the blue from the union jack, but it was the same distinctive photo. There could be no more stark example of the fake diversity of the mainstream media.
Just as the Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem parties have been startlingly shown up as precisely the same creatures of corporate masters offering no policy differences whatsoever, merely a false tribalism. As they partied together at Better Together last night – the only party in the whole of Scotland, at which everybody present lives very, very well at taxpayers’ expense – it was impossible to tell which brand of Tory was which.
Keeping the popular momentum going, keeping all those wonderful people I met and spoke to engaged in trying to engineer a different society, is going to be a hard struggle. But we always knew that. The goal of independence must remain as a powerful unifying factor.
Through media onslaught people were convinced that a No vote was a vote for Devo Max. Actually after a fortnight of pontificating it will fall off the news agenda of the mainstream. Nothing significant will happen. The Westminster view is that we can have any powers we want at our glorified council in Scotland as long as we still don’t get the revenue from oil or whisky – and still provide cannon fodder for neo-con wars abroad, house Trident and are subject to draconian Westminster imposed attacks on civil liberties.
Anyway the dress rehearsal is over. At the next referendum – which is only five years away, after the UK has voted to leave the EU – we will not be putting forward Salmond’s Independence Lite, (I am not criticising, he carried it superhumanly far). We will be proposing a fully independent Scottish Republic, out of NATO, with its own currency, sweeping land reform to give Scotland’s land back to its people, nationalisation of railways and public utilities, a genuine minimum wage you can live on, a humane benefits system and strict regulation and controls on banks and bankers.
I am eating an excellent lunch and looking forward to it.
And there were definitely Irish accents among those interviewed by Sky News. As indeed was the case last week with unionists. Definitely provocative. They should have let the dust settle first.
the unionist knuckle draggers itching for a fight.
No worries. Leave them alone for an hour and they’ll be pissed enough to fight each other.
“Fred; How is it the bookies (Bankers?) were so precise in their odds? Insider info?”
The bookies don’t decide the odds. The punters decide the odds. The odds are based entirely on how much money has been bet on each result, nothing else. The more chance the punters think a horse has of winning the shorter the bookmakers make the odds. It’s that simple.
” It’s that simple.”
I don’t think you know how organized crime works.
“One would think the naysayers and the trolls would shut up having got the result they were seeking.”
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And as I said on the previous thread, Mary, I don’t see much on here from those in the No camp but I do see a hell of a lot of whinging from the Yessers (rigged ballots, etc, etc, etc).
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As for Craig’s lead- in post, well, as I once said, Craig is a clever man, as are most FCO men and, moreover, you can take Craig out of the FCO but you can’t take the FCO out of Craig. 🙂
Day One of the Lie. ‘Consensus fast unravelling’ Channel 4 News at 19.18
We were defeated by all the powers of the state being brought against us, ably supported by the MSM.
I think there should be a public enquiry into the role of the BBC who repeated BT propaganda wholesale.
I think there need be FOI questions about the difference between postal votes – before the three party leaders and the snakes on trains charged north and votes at the polls.
Many more unanswered questions. Very sad.
Thank you for your work Craig.
I’d hardly call 3 x 150 kilotons (equivalent TNT) nukes, mini-nukes. Known designs of mini-nukes, for which only three or four countries could produce the necessary plutonium and firing technology, are truly small, known designs can be set for a range from 0.1 Kt to 1.0 Kt. These three 150-kiloton big nukes set off in New York each were each more than 8 times the size of the Hiroshima bomb. And buried under building 1,2 and 7 at about 80 metres depth when the buildings were constructed, and accessible for maintenance via tunnels.
How the buildings came down is simplicity itself, and the US government were tricked into setting them off, by the claim that the ‘planes’ were carrying nuclear bombs on board and would explode in a high-level airburst over New York, as no planes hit and entered the buildings, there were of course no nuclear bombs on board them. The ones underground however were all too real and even shown on the building plans.
Is this election fraud, many seem to think so, managers stuffing, boxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RCe55y0dw
https://www.facebook.com/YESCarfinnNewarthill?fref=ts
It’s this simple…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ
“I don’t think you know how organized crime works.”
If you didn’t want to know why did you ask?
I was hoping to see some critical thinking, Fred. “It’s that simple” ain’t it.
Anon1
“A shocking report in today’s Independent, page 6. Reports of intimidation, death threats, verbal and physical abuse, vandalism, people being spat at, and much more from the Yes camp in the run up to last night’s vote. You always knew from their ugly, scowling faces that they were a nasty bunch, intent on intimidation and disruption. Aggressive, humourless, bitter individuals, seething with hatred, like many of today’s radical left. I fully expect them to start reprisals over the next few days.”
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Well, Anon, if they’re anything like the scum on this board then I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right
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BTW, I trust you notived, on the previous thread, the sudden reappearance of “Sofia” (without the Kibo-Noh) and the most welcome disappearance of the very vocal “Republicofscotland” (Holocaust-denier by Appointment)?
Keep up the good work! 🙂
What is going to happen to Nick Robinson. I hope Alex Salmond isn’t going to let this drop.
They came down exactly as they were designed to, though by design no-one would have been killed outright. The point is so called mini-nukes at that depth wouldn’t even have rattled the chandeliers, these were BIG.
“Is this election fraud, many seem to think so, managers stuffing, boxes.”
For fucks sake how many more times. If you think you have any evidence of election fraud then go to the police with it so they can investigate. It’s no use just posting it here. Go to the police and get a proper investigation. Tell the Electoral Commission they are the people who can do something about it.
Can anyone help me with a technical question about Wings over Scotland, please?
Were they manufactured by Icarus’ father?
Is this vote tampering?
http://www.change.org/p/alex-salmond-we-the-undersigned-demand-a-revote-of-the-scottish-referendum-counted-by-impartial-international-parties?recruiter=154798920&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
Deal, Re This..
Interesting had this e-mailed to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJif7vISQg#t=160
Take your 160 tag off and report it to the police…There is serious jail time evidence here..
The 160 tag means the video starts – after 160 seconds..Most of the evidence is after about 60 seconds…
Actually the police are a bit thick…(I once gave them a camera memory card…I said all the evidence is on this…They said can you please show it to us sir..so I did..and they let me go)
Go down your local police station with a PC or an IPAD or something..and show the guy on the desk..
They will probably tell you to Fuck Off…but there is not much more you can do.
Tony
“I was hoping to see some critical thinking, Fred. “It’s that simple” ain’t it.”
That’s how they work I can assure you, I know, if reality doesn’t match what you want to hear that aint my problem.
Here is the reality of the promised new powers from Westminster,a lot of talking and heel dragging.
https://twitter.com/BBCJamesCook/status/512985757754331137
In other words, the unionists can say ‘No’ to “independence” as often as they like; the separatists only have to say ‘Yes’ once. Well, we guessed as much, but surely anyone who has the best interests of people at heart wouldn’t put the country through this experience again quickly.
“That’s how they work I can assure you, I know, if reality doesn’t match what you want to hear that aint my problem”
You’ve never heard of fixed boxing matches with attendant odds favorites. That’s not my problem.
Ed Miliband has signalled he will not sign up to David Cameron’s plan for a new UK-wide devolution settlement in the wake of the Scottish referendum.
Mr Cameron wants enhanced powers for the Scottish Parliament and new powers for English MPs at Westminster agreed, in draft, before the 2015 election.
But Mr Miliband wants a “constitutional convention” after the election to discuss devolution plans for England.
And he says the focus should be on new powers for the English regions.
Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond says Scottish voters – who rejected independence in Thursday’s referendum vote – would be “incandescent” if there was any “slippage” in the UK government’s accelerated plans for further Scottish devolution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29281819
RepublicOfHolocaustDeniers
I spoke too soon – you’re vack! Have you put “Sofia” back in storage for the time being. 🙂
Anyway, whatever! You wrote :
“If an EU in-out referendum is called in 2017, then Scots have said they will call for another referendum,”
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and I hope that those opportunists asking for same will be told, politely but firmly, to fuck off.
An invitation I also extend to you right now.
Be part of the 45 a growing indy movement
https://twitter.com/hashtag/the45
https://www.facebook.com/wearethefortyfive
“Alex Salmond on SKY news giving his resignation speech, the king is dead long live the king, Nicola Sturgeon will carry the hopes of the SNP until she or someone else is elected on Novemeber.”
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That someone else perhaps being Alec Salmond….8
Remember John Major’s brief resignation. 🙂
I remember the movie Grifters. The plot was based on experiences of con-men.
The Bookie sent various people to race tracks with a trunkload of cash to place on long-shots to drive down the odds. It was expensive, but cost effective.
Node
“Having secured the vote they want, the UK Establishment will now move to crush the Independence movement with dirty tricks. In the weeks to come, there will be a false flag campaign to associate Independence with ignorance and thuggery.
There will be letters to the papers refusing to accept the outcome… etc, etc”
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Absolutely right, Node. Spot on!
It looks as if the UK Establishment’s already started – cf. the angry, whinging posts on here! 🙂
“You’ve never heard of fixed boxing matches with attendant odds favorites. That’s not my problem.”
I don’t know what you get up to in America but here in Britain we have dozens of independent bookmakers each registered businesses and regulated. They were all giving roughly the same odds.
The dream of independence is over. The EU will kill it. Already it is moving to no admission for breakaways state for 10 years or so. This will be extended to 30 years or more. The solitary wilderness calls. It was now or never. You just got never!