Human beings can communicate by gesture and facial expression as well as by verbal language. In the following video, at 39 seconds in BBC presenter Jo Coburn is not communicating to the viewer – the director has switched back to her before she expects. She is however working very hard on communicating non-verbally to somebody, presumably the director, with quite an extreme facial gesture.
My question to you is this – what do you think she is trying to communicate with that facial gesture, and why? It is not a rhetorical question, your answers are welcome. You need to watch the whole video for context – it’s less than a minute.
Meanwhile Arlene Foster of the DUP gave a speech at the Orange Order Battle of the Boyne march in Cowdenbeath today.
Foster gave some sort of misguided speech about building bridges. Her attendance at the march in my opinion, only helped to burn them.
Still Foster and the DUP will have a long leash for now, they’re currently propping up the Tory government at Westminster, and received over a billion quid in a bung in the process.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-44653564
All together now. To the tune of “The Adams family”
They’re dirty and they’re smelly.
They come fae near Lochgelly.
They hav’ny got a telly.
The Cowden family.
The lassies all have moustaches.
They’re covered in dirty rashes.
‘N nae c**t ever washes.
The Cowden family.
Best road ever built was the A92.
“Oh, $h!¥”
It puts me in mind of a situation at a family gathering, where someone brings up a sensitive topic in conversation, not realising the person the conversation is about is standing within earshot. Ms. Coburn portrays the face of a person who sees what is happening and tries with urgency to ‘put out the fire’ by bringing the conversation to an end.
It is hilarious when she uses the phrase ‘we can hear you’ to talk over the reporter, surreptitiously cueing him to cease. Also notice the technical difficulties did not perturb initially; it wasn’t until he made the definite connection with MI6 that the technical difficulties became unsupportable. She could have said ‘we are not having enough technical difficulties, so I am going to talk over you’.
Edward Snowden, gives an interview where he calls the Russian government corrupt. Careful Edward you may find yourself on the next plane home to the USA, and a very uncertain future.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/edward-snowden-latest-nsa-whistleblower-russia-govenrment-corrupt-a8423921.html?amp
Edward Snowden is not a very wise young man. Even though he’s older now. He may well find himself thrown out.
Corrupt government! It’s a 100 years old news, Mr. Snowden can relax and feel safe, every russian would say the same.
An interesting take : corruption in Russia is 100 years old, it’s not news, so everyone (and especially every Russian, I suppose) can relax and not worry about it.
Or if you get too worried about it – publicly and vociferously – get ready to be shot at the entrance to your flat or in the street…..
Charles, you do scare me with these repeating comments about shooting in the streets ))) do you posess any weapon yourself? Here in Russia we have to go through vast medical examination, including phsychiatrist, before getting permission to buy a gun.
I am not sure if carrying weapon is allowed in Brussels.
Looked surprised then talked over him. Panicky?
Too near the truth for the bbc. !!! Quick shut it down. Who was it that let him through selection?
GG demolished Coburn and Neville Jones on Syria in September 2013 when he was a Respect MP..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqmKUyuWPYU
He described Coburn’s role in the BBC as the ‘wartime propaganda mouthpiece’ 5.45 in She became very irritated. Israel came up several times in the ‘conversation’ incidentally.
I’ve never much cared for hard-faced Coburn or Andrew Neil.
What gets in my craw is the fact that we pay our license fee for these people to spout establishment propaganda via the BBC.
The BBC supposedly signs a charter to assure the public (us plebs) that they shall remain impartial.
The deceit and hypocrisy is disgusting… but of course it is no longer surprising.
Can’t find anything on this report in the independent. Does anyone know if it has been covered anywhere else in the corporate and state media? Or has it been, like the latest shooting through the head of a 13yr old Palestinian girl by IDF snipers, censored.
A government torture policy, God help us. That shit spreads
It’s been reported – eg https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-torture-rendition-detainees-treatment-isc-mi5-mi6-911-war-terror-a8421856.html . Also in the Graun eg https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/28/uk-role-torture-kidnap-terror-suspects-after-911-revealed .
It did appear briefly on the frontpage of Guardian online, but has been superceded by pressing and topical issues like how to speak to in-laws you don’t like. They appear to have swiftly moved on.
Funny, there is like 1 article on the torture scandal att BBC, and only mention mi6, mi5 briefly! Thats the state propagandist broadcaster at work.
Well, I suppose it’s the old ‘D’ Notice thing, isn’t it?
Probably is, one wonder how much other news that go straight to the bin at BBC with this censorship.
The vetting files: How the BBC kept out ‘subversives’
http://newson6.site/uk/the-vetting-files-how-the-bbc-kept-out-subversives/
Oh, so facial expressions can condemn someone or their views, eh? Very 1984, Craig. Or perhaps very 1930s Soviet purges.
I think the comments on the youtube page say it all. Clearly the director didn’t want what was being said by the correspondent going out on our unbiased, always balanced and not at all propaganda spouting BBC. Not the first time I’ve seen the picture or sound start to break up, just when the truth is being spoken. I wonder whether the director has control of the ‘interference button’ or whether they employ a little man to do that job.
Today is Armed Forces Day. I think Treeza’s in Llandudno with Princess Anne.
PM’s Armed Forces Day 2018 tribute as North Wales rolls out red carpet for our services
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/pms-armed-forces-day-2018-14847764
The truth behind it.
A new report exposes the sinister truth behind Armed Forces Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqmKUyuWPYU
We had the arms salesman, P Andrew, here a few years ago to take the salute from a motley collection of air cadets, TA, and the like.
May has named Salisbury as next year’s host city. She is extracting every ounce of propaganda that she can from that farce.
Salisbury to host Armed Forces Day after Skripal attack response
Theresa May says event will celebrate city’s resilience following nerve agent attack
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/30/salisbury-armed-forces-day-in-2019-llandudno-theresa-may
Republicofscotland, I just found this and hoped you might like it. Fascinating Aïda’s post-Brexit song – So Sorry Scotland :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVy7faNKEtM
Nice one Clark, I might be wrong but it appears to me to be comedy and satirical at heart which is fine, could be Edinburgh festival though not sure.
Thanks anyway.
Yes, humour and satire from Sweet FA, made at the Edinburgh Festival 2016. I particularly like the lines:
“Faced with two boxes, we ticked self destruct,
So Britain is now comprehensively fucked”.
Better stop this, it’s getting too close to the Governments culpability.
At 46 seconds: “Sorry, I think there’s some technical interference” – with another glance towards stage right…
“Interference” rather than “difficulties” suggests some agency external to the BBC.
Of course we mustn’t read much into a single word, but it does look to me as though Jo Coburn had just been instructed to invent an excuse for the deliberate interruption of the report.
what do you think she is trying to communicate with that facial gesture – “Oh Shit!”
why – “Dominic Casciani is telling the truth about UK Government complicity in torture (with which The BBC is also complicit), and we are not allowed to broadcast the truth, they are about to cut the transmission, and I will now be live, trying to cover up our and my embarrassment.
To be fair, I thought she handled the situation quite well under the circumstances, but a lot of these people (including people who work for the BBC), should be facing criminal trials. They are complicit in not only torture, but gross deception, and propaganda, specifically designed to cause enormous sufferring and the death of millions of completely innocent people, and the brainwashing of much of the British and World public – who used to trust and respect The BBC – as I did.
These people are monsters.
They are evil.
Tony
This article on the BBC website had me in stitches a couple of months ago – a history of political vetting of staff on the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-43754737
“…In October 1985 the BBC announced publicly that vetting would in future be applied only to a few operational people at the very top, to those who would run emergency broadcasting (which meant the then secret wartime broadcasting system in the event of nuclear war) and to those staff in the BBC World Service who were thought to be vulnerable to hostile infiltration. All vetting of staff not in those categories would cease.
“But behind the scenes there was still resistance from some quarters. A rearguard action was fought to keep specialist domestic and foreign correspondents on the vetting list, on the grounds that “the BBC’s credibility depended on their integrity”. A dodge had to be devised, and so correspondents were quickly reassigned to a list of those who had access to restricted government information – an access they in fact did not have.
“The upshot was that vetted staff were reduced to 1,400 in the domestic services and 793 in the World Service. The system was further refined in 1990, following the Security Service Act, under which all vetting in the BBC stopped except for those who would be involved in wartime broadcasting and those with access to secret government information.
“Then, two years later, the wartime broadcasting system was stood down, so vetting was further cut back. The BBC will not say whether any staff are vetted these days. “We do not comment on security issues,” a spokesperson said. But any residual vetting, of people needing access to classified information for emergency planning for example, would be open and known to the person. There is no more secrecy as once there was.”
So, I am sure it was just a technical fault.
Remember the time the evil BBC silenced Mo Farah? What truths was he going to reveal in his acceptance speech?
https://www.prolificnorth.co.uk/news/broadcasting/2017/12/bbc-viewers-miss-farah-acceptance-speech-after-power-cut
Huw Edwards too!
https://www.theguardian.com/media/video/2017/jun/21/huw-edwards-sits-silentr-four-minutes-during-bbc-news-technical-glitch-full-video
Was it ‘cos he’s Welsh?
I’d suggest you read up on inductive fallacies…
Any other examples of BBC correspondents being deliberately cut off/censored in this manner?
I thought everything the corporation put out was carefully scripted in advance.
What you think is irrelevant without an argument to back it up. Spurious, unrelated examples don’t count.
The current consensus around here is that the BBC is a government controlled mouthpiece from which nothing emerges that hasn’t been vetted by the cabinet office first. So how did this happen?
Still waiting for someone to produce some related examples.
Or in the words of Humbert Wolfe (British diplomat and poet). But I guess it might be familiar to many.
You cannot hope
to bribe or twist,
thank God! the
British journalist.
But, seeing what
the man will do
unbribed, there’s
no occasion to.
“Over the Fire”, from The Uncelestial City (London: Victor Gollancz, 1930) p. 30.
Hahaha!
Quite reminiscent of Hilaire Belloc’s Epitaph for the Politician:
With huge pomp and ridiculous display,
The great politician was laid away.
And while all around me sneered and slanged,
I wept, …. for I had longed to see him hanged.
Thanks for this from Over the Water, Anthony.
I’m only familiar with Belloc because a few of his piously bathetic poems were taught in parochial school, c. 1960.
This delightfully cynical verse much improves my opinion of him.
The old trick of the “technical difficulties”… isn’t it a bit crude for a supposedly sophisticated mouthpiece such as the BBC? Don’t they know about briefing their correspondents beforehand on what can be said on air or not?
As to her facial expression, I am not as perceptive as you are, Craig, but it seems to me that she must have been told “stop him RIGHT NOW” in her earpiece by the director, and she was answering OK when the camera caught her.
She was surprised he was saying some unacceptable truths about the rendition / torture UK participation situation, and was signaling the tech people to shut it off.
Fascinating clip for so many reasons. Losing the picture made no difference at all to what the man was saying, in fact, as it was just a picture of him standing in a the street with passers by and him speaking with out of sync dubbing as usual – all hail to the digital age… everyone’s lips now move out of sync and voices appear disembodied most of the time, even in big budget movies. But I digress.. Yes indeed, why oh why would it matter that a handler has snagged the picture for a few seconds, if what he was saying can still be heard and the conversation can continue? Surely, If Jo Coburn genuinely wanted to know what he had to say, it would have been more professional to continue unabated, and apologise for the picture loss afterwards… but instead she used this as an excuse to absolutely drown out every word he said as if it was of no consequence at all and all we care about is that we can see his face for a few more seconds. This makes it blindingly obvious that she had instructions in her ear to drown him out. Unbelievably cynical, insulting behaviour from BBC, as usual.
Non verbal communication is a bit like predetermined assumptions. Jack Straw should be banned from membership of the Labour party, with TB and D.Milliband, for deliberately ignoring and circumnavigating our UNHRC aims and objectives, lying to parliament and bringing this country into disrepute.
here is a little education for some who might or might not be moderating, and for those who never heard of Doggerland. Off course a moderation robot can not understand history or geological formations.
I shall change my name back after this post, my name change is just for educational purposes.
Doggerland is sunken, but it is still part of our geological/tribal and spiritual history. If that is the reason, rest assured I do not yearn or commit to nightly excursions to local lay-bys or woods.
As much as I detest linking the EDP, their arts reporters at least got the gist right. This is a play designed and played by amateurs and locals, supported by the arts council, it was magic.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/going-out/songline-for-doggerland-bergh-apton-hugh-lupton-church-community-performance-village-drowned-lands-1-5350330
The chalk reef below dogger land/bank is also a favourite position for the future alternative energy hub in the north sea, creating a network of alternative energy suppliers and connecting it to the international grid/market.
Anybody, too easy to get excited, mistake Doggerland with dogging, then I apologise to readers for their oversexed imagination here at Craig’s blog, must be getting too hot somewhere.
Is it the same as the Dogger Bank? We used to hear that on the shipping weather forecasts.
Doggerland refers to the dry land that used to connect Britain to the Continent during the last Ice Age, but was flooded when the seas rose again as the temperatures became warmer. It won’t appear again; with climate warming, the sea level will get still higher. That’s why I was puzzled by Nevermind’s remark – the alternative energy hub will have to be under the sea.
The doggerland energy hub hasn’t been built yet. Sea level would have to rise by over 20 meters to flood the turbine bases of existing offshore wind farms. If that happens we won’t need any energy. Our civilisation will collapse and population will crash by 95%.
Nevermind, Its Dogger and German Bight. I can still remember the BBC’s shipping forecasts, from 60 years ago, before “Listen With Mother”
We didn’t have a Telly – They do it on the Radio, hopefully even now. It’s quite useful to know if there is a storm brewing up when you are out at sea in a fishing boat. Sometimes it gets a bit rough.
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Shipping_Forecast
Tony
A lovely poster about the play on here Nevermind.
https://surlingham.org/2017/12/12/songline-for-doggerland-2nd-3rd-9th-10th-february-2018/
You always tell us interesting things.
Doggerland is sunken, but it is still part of our geological/tribal and spiritual history. If that is the reason, rest assured I do not yearn or commit to nightly excursions to local lay-bys or woods.
As much as I detest linking the EDP, their arts reporters at least got the gist right. This is a play designed and played by amateurs and locals, supported by the arts council, it was magic.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/going-out/songline-for-doggerland-bergh-apton-hugh-lupton-church-community-performance-village-drowned-lands-1-5350330
The chalk reef below dogger land/bank is also a favourite position for the future alternative energy hub in the north sea, creating a network of alternative energy suppliers and connecting it to the international grid/market.
Anybody, too easy to get excited, mistake Doggerland with dogging, then I apologise to readers for their oversexed imagination at Craig’s blog, must be getting too hot somewhere.
There was obviously no technical fault – we certainly didn’t see or hear any. First of all they had switch to Dominic Casciani out which left them with Jo Coburn, who was getting an earful, while they working out what they were going to do next. Very high marks to Casciani though for what he managed to tell people before the producers realised things were out of control. It could stand as the modern emblem of the BBC. ONLY THE NEWS “THEY” WANT YOU TO HEAR.
Sorry, looking again something happened – but it hadn’t affected the continuity of what he was saying. He was all too clear when he was being shut off. If you were simply interested in what he was saying then this was very high handed, and suspicious to say the least. They had lost control.
Absolutely. There was sheer panic in Coburn’s voice in her attempt to shut the interviewee as quickly as possible.
Yeah, they lost the picture. I wonder how that happened. The interviewer’s facial expression makes the explanation perfectly clear, though I’d bet that not many viewers picked up on it.
Was she trying to stop the MI6 assassin sneaking up behind him from deploying a “Novichok” doorknob for the rogue reporter to handle.
Stephen, Nah, they ain’t that fast. It takes them weeks to work out the story, which keeps changing on an hourly, and then daily basis, to make themselves look completely ridiculous. They actually think some people are going to believe them.
This analysis is pretty good, and probably quite close to the truth.
https://ahtribune.com/world/europe/uk/skirpal/2232-skripal-douma-provocation.html
Tony
She isn’t communicating with anyone – she has been told in no uncertain terms – “Get that C ** t off air”
Blairite MP puts his foot in it, hinting that we did Iraq a favour liberating it.
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/06/29/a-blairite-mp-is-facing-the-mother-of-all-backlashes-after-one-terrible-tweet/
Shares in undertaker companies went through the roof 15 years ago and they don’t look like dropping anytime soon in that part of the world. Do you think he has his private pension in them.
Iraqis are responsible for the violence they unleash on each other because of their own backwards and bigoted religious sectarianism. It’s either that or Saddam gassing them. It’s the same in Libya, Syria and pretty much everywhere else in the Islamic world. If there’s not someone killing them they’re killing each other.
Only you could say that. What is the matter with you?
What he said is – alas! – factual.
One musn’t wilfully shut one’s eyes and ears to the truth, even that truth doesn’t suit one’s personal narrative.
It’s your own backward and bigoted sectarianism you need to be addressing first with some urgency.
WOW. I don’t whether you actually believe what you have said, but I doubt it. I am struggling to work out which way I would feel sorry for you more. Being so badly brainwashed or if you can actually take money for trolling and look at yourself in the mirror without being physically sick.
Above directed at Anon1 if there was any doubt.
Well it’s true though, isn’t it? You take out the brutal but secular dictator who gassed his own people but at least kept a lid on the sectarian violence, and they start slaughtering each other. Do you think blowing yourself and your own people to pieces in a busy market place is normal behaviour for a society defeated by a foreign occupier? Did the Japanese or any other nation do this?
No they do this to themselves but we’re supposed to believe it’s all our fault.
I dunno; some US Americans seem quite keen to mow each other down with semi automatic weapons. Reckon they’re all covert Muslims, Mr Nice Guy?
And wasn’t Saddam originally one of ours anyway? I thought we were quite keen to sell him gas precursors and supergun tubes, but I could be wrong…
Anon1 your pretense is as if our colonial history never happened. There isn’t a single Sunni regime in the middle east that hasn’t been installed, armed or supported by our government all while suppression of the population has been their ruling style. No organic Sunni movement or peoples government has ever been allowed to flourish on its own merits since probably the crusades or when the Moors were driven out of Spain. You only have to look at the way Cuba and Iran have been embargoed when the people rise up against imperial colonisation. Saudi Arabia might well have had a much different and more moderate history had it not been for our and the US government support for the Wahhabi sect who were more than happy to let the US coporatize their oil while enriching the few.
Stephen
I don’t quite understand why you seem so surprised.
After all, according to the Christian doctrine at least, the individual, although God’s creation, is endowed with the freedom of choice. He is free to act in accordance with the sin within him, but he is not obliged to so act – he can decide to act otherwise.
Now I don’t know if Islam holds to the same doctrine, but to blame Muslims of various branches killing each other on British colonialism seems to be a rather large evasion of the real problem?
A simpleton’s guide to the Arab world. Bravo.
She’s looking at the man who holds the button which sends an electric shock through her nether regions if she does not end this interview pdq!