I Bet They Did 173


The Daily Telegraph let slip a most revealing fact:

“the BBC insisted that the play not be uncritical”,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/7134792/David-Tennant-to-play-former-ambassador-Craig-Murray-in-new-BBC-Radio-4-play.html

The BBC was not insisting that the play be not uncriticial of a New Labour government which agreed to use intelligence from terrible torture in Uzbekistan, and cooperated with torture worldwide in the extraordinary rendition programme.

The BBC was in fact concerned that those facts were not given too much prominence compared to diversionary criticism of me for not being a teetotal monogamist, which is of course much worse than being a warmongering torturing murderous bastard.

Nadira was wondering when the media would stop calling her a lap dancer, when they would start using her married name, or mentioning her acting achievements (including the fact that she plays multiple characters in David Hare’s adaptation of Murder in Samarkand for Radio 4, in four different languages).

The answer I fear is never, not even in the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/feb/02/david-tennant-samarkand-radio-4

nor in the EDP

http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED02%20Feb%202010%2019%3A32%3A59%3A813

I will say however that I think David Hare had done a tremendous job and produced an excellent play which is both entertaining and profound. As I gather is usual for David, he did a tremendous amount of research, even travelling to Tashkent to interview eye witnesses as well as holding a meeting with the FCO to get their side of the story. I am actually quite relieved that the production does not simply rely on my word for the key events.

Please do publicise the broadcast by whatever means are at your disposal.


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173 thoughts on “I Bet They Did

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  • marcus

    It’s just getting silly now.

    I am suprised you never recieved a mum of the year award for your iresponsible nightclubing. Jade Goody and Kerry Katona recieved one for merely sniffing coke and being horrible.

    Take it with good cheer dude. 😀

  • tony_opmoc

    A year ago, I had never heard of Craig Murray, and I don’t remember exactly how I actually came to be reading his book “Murder in Samarkand”

    I realised it was about a subject, the description of which was an instant turn off. It was the last thing I thought I would want to read on holiday.

    But there I was on a little Island in the Indian Ocean and the weather was atrocious…

    But the weather didn’t matter.

    I couldn’t stop reading and turning the pages.

    I thought – who the hell is this Murray bloke?

    He cannot be for real.

    It must all be made up.

    And then when I came back to England, he was appearing at some official inquiry about UK Goverment Complicity in Torture.

    I was going to go to the House of Commons just to be a witness, and actually meet this person, but on the morning he asked on his blog, if someone could actually record the events and put it up on Youtube.

    I had never done this before, and it took me a couple of hours to work out how to do it, and even when I was doing it live from the obscure House of Commons web feed I was not sure if it would work – but it did

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9spgagSHI

    I still haven’t actually met him.

    But I am 100% convinced he is totally for real.

    Tony

  • Anonymous

    You know what, I about as bothered about

    1) Tiger woods having extra marital affairs

    2) Clinton getting blowjobs in the White House (not from his wife)

    3) Hilary possibly being gay?

    4) You copping off with a lap dancer when you were married

    as much as thinking about weather i would look good in a dress.

    A) No I wouldn’t

    B) Who the fuck cares!

    Your private life is you own, you only have to explain to those affected, me I think in the grand scheme of things it just ain’t worth occupying any part of my consciousness.

  • arsalan

    “as much as thinking about weather i would look good in a dress.”

    That depends, are you male?

  • writerman

    The BBC bends according to which way the establishment “wind” is blowing. It follows the lead of the government on most issues, as it gives disproportionate coverage to the views of the political elite.

    One shouldn’t really expect “more” from the “liberal” press; the Guardian, Independent. They too have the same “paymaster.”

    Somewhere between 60% to 70% of their revenues come from advertizing, so their primary job is to “sell” their readership to their advertizers.

    My feeling is that there’s just one newspaper in the UK, at least on most issues; one newspaper with a lot of diverse supplements.

  • technicolour

    Sunday Sport, surely.

    Arsalan, many, many men look good in dresses – Kurt Cobain, the bloke from the Lemonheads, my friend Olaf…Not to mention Scottish men in kilts and all those lovely Arab blokes in dish-dashers (which I know are tunics, not dresses). Trousers, pshaw.

  • technicolour

    By the way, poster with no name, I think the point about this, from reading Murder In Samarkand, was that the writer fell in love with a spirited and beautiful woman struggling to survive in a brutal and brutalised country. If Tiger Woods or Bill Clinton had fallen in love with their women, or Hilary Clinton had fallen in love with another woman, I could see your analogy. As it is, I can’t.

  • arsalan

    I fell in love once, it was a very very long time ago.

    I was about 12, in a French Class and out of the window I could see an blond Lady teaching German in another class. I was speachless. My teacher saw me standing there and said, “what’s the matter son”, I pointed and he said, “It’s OK she’s Austrian”.

    I never did see her again, even though I always wanted to.

    That is the thing about falling in love, it only happens once.

  • arsalan

    Falling in love is like using a laptop.

    You have to keep it plugged in or the batteries run out.

    I have no idea what that means, I just made it up because I am using a laptop, And if I unplug it the batteries run out in about three hours.

  • technicolour

    Arsalan, just from my knowledge of animal nature I tend to agree with you, but we humans often have fear and pressure and expectations attached (like pedigree dogs) so we get the timing wrong and/or mistake the wish for love for the bond itself. Still, I think you can love many people for many reasons and in many ways, and who’s to say it is ever a bad thing, even if it is not ‘the one’?

  • technicolour

    I’m not sure if that means anything either, except a lack of judgement. Feel bad about discussing someone else’s relationship even if one person has written about it, sorry, Craig and Nadira.

  • ingo

    Enjoy the banter, but hear what has been going on in our little provincial EDP. They have just erased five threads, one to do with MP’s expense, another one dealing with a badly desinged roundabout and also my thread about the ex Dr. Who now playing Craig Murray.

    I replaced it with another one and also have written something under the thread ‘where have they gone’.

    Enjoy all below and treat yourself to a regional excursion into Archant/Arsechant land.

    It is quiet amazing how popular the east German methods of the Stasi are being revered by the media of late, I mean ,who really knows whats going on with wrongly designed roundabouts if its not our authoritively driven apostles of the status quo.

    MP’s expenses is merely the outcome, the symtoms are here in Norfolk, visible by the incisiveness of dedicated, job hugging Archant staff, what else will they do for the masters of the ever decreasing universe, what will they do when this big red giant turns into a little heavy nugget and swallows all? will they clap their feet in unison, whilst claiming their hands are clean?

    The controll of the masses via the media has taken a new turn, the powers to be in Britain are getting cold feet, fearing the worst, all these ‘trusted’ MP’s who are going to resign and they haven’t got control over what is going to come.

    But rest assured, their calming and soozing messages will find the ears of Independents like Esther Rantzen, the self proclaimed beacon of Independence.

    She failed to sort out the social dis-services under noLabour and she will shine forever over Luton, a new neutron star in the making.

    Its called censorship guys and the MI are in it to win it, for the big two parties, the powers to be want us to be controlled by the same old racket and they are trying to influence as many channels as it is possible.

    Sod them you might say, stone them somebody else might reply, but thats how the hokey cokey rattles along these days, just make sure you can see through this control freakery

  • Ruth

    Ingo,

    Don’t be too sure ‘they haven’t got control over what is going to come.’

    I would think that what’s going to come has been carefully cultivated and, who knows, perhaps getting rid of the MPs to let in those with MI5 credentials has been the intention all along. Hence, the hard/deep state/permanent government/the Establishmnent can have almost total control.

  • ingo

    Ruth, not sure at all, just hope you are sooo wrong. I have this little inzy whinzy bit of hope left that we can at least throw a big fuck off spanner into the works.

    Voting for the two main parties will mean war, we know it, so lets make sure the bamboozled public gets the drift as well.

    nighty night, had a great day today, planted some 20 trees in the rain with a hilarious tree warden, my way of getting some physical balance. ta da.

  • tony_opmoc

    I tried to explain to him, No we don’t do that, and he was telling us the inside story of all the evil things that had been done to our Friend Jack

    I said our Friend Jack has risen above all this shit, and We all Love Him To Bits

    He said there is not an Evil Bone In His Body

    I said We All Know That

    And the fact of the Matter he has so Many Medical Problems – He is Lucky To Still Be Alive

    And This Guy – Said…

    And I Said I Know

    But Just Let The Guy Live The Rest Of His Life in Peace

    The Last Thing He Wants Is That

    Otherwise The Gig Was Completely Phenomenal

    No Aggro Needed

    Just Love & Peace

    If You Know All The Villains They Are Easily Tamed.

    Its The First Rule You Need To Know If You Are Opening a New Venue

    But Don’t Be Surprised if More Thab 10 times More People Turn Up Than You Were Expecting…

    I Think it Maybe a Goer

    Its Like a Stately Mansion

    I had no idea it was so big, or the band would be so LOUD

    But I Tested The Outside Environment – and it Passed The Sound Test

    I thought Well Unless They Get Motorhead on Next, There is No Way It Will Be Any Louder

    I’m Not Sure If this Came Our Right, but some Friends of Ours Put a Band on at a New Venue…

    And Everyone and More Turned Up

    And It Was FREE

    And They Didn’t Have Enough Change

    So – Were Rescued By another Friend of Ours

    All In All I thought it was a GREAT START with MASSIVE POTENTIAL

    And No I haven’t Invested Any Money In It.

    Its a Fun Thing

    I’m Retired

    Tony

  • tony_opmoc

    What people don’t seem to understand – is that we had never actually been through the front door before…

    We didn’t realise it was a Mansion

    It was just this old house on the edge of the Park where we had only been in twice over the past 15 years or so

    They had a posh restraunt and expensive crap beer = but somethimes you just want a drink when you have been cycling round the park

    So we of course went on a pub crawl tonight before we got there

    And both my wife and I were walking past…

    But our friends said

    No – It’s in Here

    And There Was This Tree Lined Drive Which We All Walking Down

    And at The End Was This Palace

    I said You Must Be Fucking Joking

    But It Was All Real

    The Band WERE FUCKING LOUD

    Tony

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Go to the source! The kernel! Go west, my son! Go west! 11/9. 9/11, 11/9, 9/11…

    Tick-tock, it’s twelve o’clock

    They’re coming out tonight

    Tick-tock, I’m on my broom

    Visiting your room

    Tick-tock, it’s twelve o’clock

    If ya wanna be a mouse, alright…

    Les Fleurs Du Mal

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Craig,

    I have to thank you for introducing me to Eustace Mullins. Such a dark part of American history, which apparently ended just a day ago. I had never heard of him – and there’s probably a reason for that.

    And of course, the freaks at your blog are in praise of that dead anti-Semitic racist creep. But you’ve come to expect that, haven’t you?

    Is this what your life has become? Throwing white meat to the nuts to once in a while distract them from their red meat?

  • Vronsky

    Anent (useful Scots word) men in skirts, I used to play bagpipes in competitions around the highland games – if you were good, you could make a bob or two. Sometimes I didn’t play and just showed up to watch and listen, and on those occasions I wouldn’t be kilted. Any piping friend I met would inevitably say, in a very condescending way: ‘I see your wearing slacks today’. Ever since I’ve regarded trousers as a bit effeminate.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Hey, Vronsky, that’s wonderful, you play the pipes as well as the lute! You need big lungs for the pipes, all that circular breathing! I like those C18th-style, black or white Byronic shirts that go with kilts.

  • arsalan

    Oh no Larry is back infecting other threads.

    As I said before, Larry go back to the 911 thread and agree with angry some more.

    Those “Jew hate” slogans of yours might work with Americans. They may shut up everytime you throw that accusation at them. But this is a UK forum.

    The only one who brings up Jews and hate is you. because you are an antisemite!

    You are racist against Jews.

  • technicolour

    I’m off for the weekend in a bit, but arsalan, that’s not actually true. The hate bloggers seem to have gone rather quiet (maybe they all went to a big party) but they exist and Larry was not one of them.

  • Vronsky

    Suhayl, you don’t need circular breathing for the pipes, because they have the bag to act as a reservoir. However I have a piper friend who also plays recorder in a small early music group – he can circular-breathe. Says he learned from a monk. Very odd – why would a monk know? He can also drink a pint of beer in 1.5 seconds (my friend, not the monk) – don’t know if that is related.

  • ingo

    Vronsky, monks learn circular breathing in their meditation exercises and to chant their omani padre ommm as of one, reverberating in resonance.

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