176 thoughts on “Mavi Marmara: Footage Hidden From the Israelis

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  • derek

    Oh dear… I know Larry is going to accuse me of being a looney conspiracy theorist but I have come to the conclusion that the video the IDF released of the assault on the Mavi Mamara was fabricated in advance.

    See here http://tiny.cc/x1e0d

    The animated gif certainly looks as if it were a different ship to the Mavi Marmara

    I was not entirely convinced so I hunted down some pictures of the Mavi Marmara next to its sister ship the Tdi Karadeniz, and yes the IDF video looks as if it was shot on the Tdi Karadeniz

    The Tdi Karadeniz was recently sold to a Maltese company and renamed ‘Dream’ a more close up picture is available at

    tiny.cc/6ti10

    If you compare this picture with the IDF film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI then at 1:01 into the film you can clearly see a radar dome on the upper deck that is absent on the Mavi Marmara, but clearly visible on ‘Dream’/’Tdi Karadeniz’

    Could the Israelis have been cynical enough to have manufactured a confrontation just so they could present themselves as the victims with fake footage to back it up? It beggars belief, but I cannot think of any other interpretation.

    (Except maybe those sneaky Turks erected a fake radar dome on the Mavi Marmara during the voyage to discredit Israel)

  • derek

    Before anyone else does so I shall correct myself. I have since found another picture of Mavi Marmara with a radar dome in the same position as on Dream.

    But the question still remains. Why isn’t the ships name visible along the side of the upper deck where it should be?

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions can take many forms. A parallel can be drawn between the murder of humanitarians delivering aid and the cruel deaths of workers in the World Trade Center. Both events have left physical and emotional scars on survivors, those who lost loved ones, the psyche of Gaza and New York and the nations of Palestine and America.

    Both events have made most of us look internally, to ask ourselves what it means to be human.

    It has made us sensitive to violence as a violation of human dignity. It is a desecration of the image of God that lives on the face of every human being.

    The flying of missiles in buildings is the violence of intimidation, the ‘shock & awe’ catalyst for fear and ultimate subterfuge of American people.

    The blockade of Gaza is structural violence. It is not the violence of bombs and bullets until the killing of peace activist aboard a ship filled with humanitarian aid on its way to Gaza with intent to break the blockade. Yet, it is violence against the people of Gaza nonetheless.

    Israel said the WTC deaths were good for her and benefited the American struggle with Iraq.

    Israel says the deaths in Gaza from lack of basic necessities are necessary for its national security, to keep materials that can be used to make weapons. Israel sees the democratically elected Hamas as a terrorist organization bent on its destruction. Hamas says it sees Israel as an occupying power and as an oppressor.

    The cycle of violence continues.

    Moving away from violence means we must develop a strategy together that is able to counter lies from Israel or threats from those with charged allegations or extreme views of violence.

    Polling data continues to show that nearly 40% of American society holds a negative view of Islam by associating it with violence. However, many who were surveyed admitted that they hardly knew anything about the religion or its followers. This is a clear indication that something significant and far reaching needs to be done to develop mutual understanding and respect.

    The Cordoba Initiative to build a mosque at ground zero is a good start in the right direction because it can show to the world a bonding of two minds irrespective of the painful memories.

    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, founder and Chairman of the initiative, has a long history of opposing violence, reaching out across religious lines and through developing mutually progressive programs committed to bringing Americans, Muslims and non, together.

    Muslims want to play a role in “steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions”. This is the time where we can show the international community how Britain exemplifies the highest global standard of religious freedom for the world to follow.

  • MJ

    “I have come to the conclusion that the video the IDF released of the assault on the Mavi Mamara was fabricated in advance”.

    Yes, the absence of the ship’s name in the appropriate place is a bit of a giveaway, ditto the absence of the huge Turkish flag draped down the side. Note too that in the Israeli video the aid-workers attempting to repel the attack are wearing balaclavas; I haven’t seen a single balaclava in the footage shot from onboard the ship.

    It’s probably a video of an Israeli rehearsal/training exercise.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    You conspiracy nuts are in such immense denial that I can’t imagine anything more entertaining.

  • Arsalan

    I believe the type of mosque they are setting up is what will remove the bigotry and ignorance from typical Americans. Zionist know this thats why they want to oppose its construction.

    Mosques are usually just places where people pray, and than get out.

    Nothing happens inside them.

    No talks, no lessons. Just go in, pray, get out, until the next prayer.

    What these guys are making isn’t really a mosque. It is a massive community centre, with swimming pool, confrence centre. the mosque is just a tiny part of it. It even has a prayer room for non-Muslims!

    So people of every religion will go in to use everything in there, there, meet the Muslims who go there to pray or use everything else there. People will know about each other. And see each other as people and not the other.

    And people like Larry and MP will get very upset and cry antisemitism!!!!!!!, until they are blue in the face, but only fellow no hopers and hate mongers will listen.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Mark Golding: “It is the saddest fact on this earth (for all Americans and the Western world) that Israel has documented evidence that can prove there was foreknowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center.”

    That’s right, folks! The JOOOOOOOOOOS did 911. In fact Borat said so in his movie!

  • Arsalan

    Larry and michael are what we in Islam calls Satans amoungst humanity.

    They do nothing but tell people to hate each other.

    That is there be all and end all. they are all about hate.

    They are hate mongers and nothing more.

    They don’t do what they do due to love for Israel, they do what they do due to hate for everyone including Israel.

    They want war, they want suffering they want starvation.

    Not just on this issue but on every issue.

    they are evil little trols.

    Just take a look at how often they post?

    If they have so much time to be online, where when are they with family and friends?

    Never!

    That is because they are evil and give no time to family, and no one ever wants to be friends with such people.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    This is how this works:

    Suhayl Saadi: The Jews did 911.

    Me: Well, that’s just plain anti-Semitic. And insane.

    Suhayl Saadi: (loudly crying) Bwwwwaaaaaaaaaa! I can’t criticize Israel! Bwwwwaaaaaaaaaa! The secret agent men are out to get me! Bwwwwaaaaaaaaaa! I can’t let go of my crazy religion! Bwwwaaaaaaaaaa! I’m a failed doctor!

  • MJ

    “You conspiracy nuts are in such immense denial that I can’t imagine anything more entertaining”.

    Denial of what?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Denial of the truth that those IDF soldiers were attacked with sticks and other weapons as they landed on the ship. Even your martyr-moron Muslim “peace activists” on the ship don’t claim this.

    Jesus, can’t you give Muslim martyrs any credit for their work?

  • MJ

    “…Israel has documented evidence that can prove there was foreknowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center”

    Actually there’s pretty conclusive proof already in the public domain of Israeli foreknowledge. That however is not quite the same thing as proof of being the perpetrator, for which I can find little clear evidence.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Actually there’s pretty conclusive proof already in the public domain of Israeli foreknowledge.”

    Oh, fuck off, MJ, you have no conclusive proof that the Jews knew of 911.

    You 911 truthers make this so easy.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Arsalan: “The timings of his posts indicate he is two hours ahead of GMT, Israel!”

    Actually, I’m in Seattle, you fucking insane moron (yes, Suhayl, your Muslim compatriot here is clearly insane). I went to bed last night around midnight and I woke up at about 8:30. I don’t know how you managed to feed my travel and sleep schedule into your Muslim jihadist insanity, but with your posting I’m starting to familiarize myself a little more with the insane thinking of the 19 suicidal crazy Muslim 911 hijackers.

  • MJ

    “Denial of the truth that those IDF soldiers were attacked with sticks and other weapons as they landed on the ship”

    I certainly do not deny that. Eyewitnesses say so and the genuine footage shows it also. Passengers and crew are of course entitled to use reasonable force to repel unlawful and uninvited raiders attempting to board a ship in international waters, so what’s the big deal?

    “…you have no conclusive proof that the Jews knew of 911”.

    There’s the small matter of the Mossad folk caught filming the attacks.

    You’re the one in denial Larry. Your ignorance of the evidence makes it very easy for us. It’s a turkey shoot.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    May I suggest, Larry-from-Seattle, that the reason people approach your posts the way they tend to do is because you have adopted this kind of aggressive tone with everyone, right from the start. You clearly absolutely despise anyone with a Muslim name. That’s fine. I think if you hate everyone or almost everyone – with a Muslim name, you ought simply to say so and be done with it. What is this about ‘compatriots’? You have 300 million-plus compatriots, so what? I attempted to have a conversation with you awhile back – and did so repeatedly because I felt that some of the things you said were worthy of discourse. But you responded with either complete silence or else a dismissive and frankly arrogant attitude. So, yes, I felt that perhaps you had an ‘agenda’. You know, even people with whom I disagree on many things – Angrysoba, Alfred, Apostate and ebeven Michael Petek – seem able to engage in reasonably civilised discourse from time-to-time. You, on the other hand, seem unable, or unwilling, to do so.

    I really don’t know why I am bothering typing this, but I am.

    Anyway, have a good day.

  • Arsalan

    Proof that Jews didn’t kill anyone on the ship.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE

    The people who murdered on the ship were Zionists.

    It was Larry who killed people on the ship not Jews.

    Jews worship God, Zionists like Larry worships a flag, zionists like michael worship Zionists like Larry.

  • Arsalan

    Suhayl Saadi why do you give that Zionist bitch the time of day?

    He is just a hate monger like the other bastards.

    And Larry the liar I have already shown you on another thread why you can’t be anywhere in America. So unless you are going to put up an American phone number that I can phone to confirm it. You are Larry the Zionist Liar living on stolin Palestinian land as your post timings indicate.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Larry (not from St Louis) ‘Jihad watch’ is calling you – the site is well named. Look at the reflections of yourself in the posters – “anti-semitic Obama.”

    “We as a people have striven to forge a new way of thinking, a new way of life, a new and great Country. Our strength was in each other and our fortune came from our ability to adapt to the present and look towards the future.”

    You have become polarised Larry – the pioneering spirit has been lost – you are left with ‘Jihad watch’ – go there – Robert Spencer will ease your pains.

  • Arsalan

    Larry not from seattle, you calculated the times zones wrongly, and picked a place to the west instead of the east. Making it less likely that you are where you say you are, not more likely.

    You should have said somewhere like New York on the East coast.

    You not just a liar, you are a very stupid liar, who doesn’t try and make his lies convincing.

    I think it is very hard for Zionists to make their lies convincing due to habit.

    You say lies to prove your case about Israel, the lies don’t need to be convincing because when ever people prove you are lying you scream antisemitism to shut them up.

    What is it when you say when people prove what you say about any issue is wrong?

    I know I will cut and past:

    “That’s right, folks! The JOOOOOOOOOOS did 911. In fact Borat said so in his movie!”

    It isn’t surprising that you don’t try and make you lies convincing when all you have to do to stop people questioning you is to scream antisemitism?

    So Larry, do you lie when you say you are from St. Louis, or do you lie when you say you are from Seattle?

    I believe you lie all the time.

    You are just like the liars Micheal puts up, the fake Ex Muslims. People who claim to have converted from Islam to Christianity but can’t even pronounce the word Muslim.

    http://www.fakeexmuslims.com/biographyoferguncaner.htm

    The thing about Liars like you is you are spotted due to the contradictions in your statements.

    But you don’t care, Israel doesn’t care and the Fake Ex Muslims Micheal is in love with don’t care.

    Why?

    When Israel is found out, Israel shouts antisemitism, when you are spotted you accuse the spotter of being a conspiracy theorist, and when Fake Ex Muslims are spotted their Evangelical employers use their lawyers to remove their contradictory statements from the Internet.

    You are all liars, you know you are liars, we know you are liars.

    So lets just stop this game. If you want to support Israel, do so. But do so with the truth.

    Don’t use lies to try and be convincing, because it just discredits all else you say.

    So when you say you are from Seattle, and from St Louis, we don’t become convinced of Zionism, we just believe you are a liar. Just as Muslims don’t become convinced of Christianity when a fake Ex Muslims claims to be born in Istanbul in one video and claim to be

    be born in Sweden in another, while not being able to even pronounce the word Muslim.

    That might convince your sponsors, but it doesn’t convince us.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Let me excerpt this one paragraph from the article by Lauren Booth which I just posted, above. I think it is of the essence (and please, before anyone decides to do this, character-assassinating Lauren Booth will make no difference to the truth):

    “Quickly another passenger removed a white t-shirt from a bag and used it as a white flat of surrender. When gun shots rang out, greater numbers fell. It was clear calls for mercy were to be ignored. That a shoot to kill policy was in place.”

    No more hiding-places.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Larry not from seattle, you calculated the times zones wrongly, and picked a place to the west instead of the east. Making it less likely that you are where you say you are, not more likely.

    You should have said somewhere like New York on the East coast.”

    Arsalan,

    You really are a stupid person.

    The Pacific Northwest is quite gorgeous, btw. My first time out here. But a stupid black bird (maybe a raven?) just ate my wild salmon sandwich.

    “So when you say you are from Seattle, and from St Louis, we don’t become convinced of Zionism, we just believe you are a liar.”

    People often travel. Sometimes for business, sometimes for fun. Next week, if I say that I’m in Boston, it’s not because I’ve moved to Boston.

    Don’t you ever take a holiday, Arsalan?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Actually, having just got back to my computer, I should have read all of the messages … apparently all of you think that when I wrote “I’m in Seattle” that I meant “I live in Seattle.”

    Your standards of evidence are hilarious. You people will believe anything if you want to believe it.

  • MJ

    Suhayl: you’re in denial. It’s obvious what happened. An al-Qaeda warship containing nuclear weapons and hundreds of fanatical muslim terrorists, under the personal control of bin Laden, sailed illegally into the port Ashdod. The terrorists then brazenly and without provocation attacked an Israeli helicopter that was delivering fancy cakes to someone’s auntie. Bin Laden and his wild-eyed terrorists then viciously slaughtered 19 defenceless IDF commandos who were armed with nothing but AK 47 sub-machine guns.

    If you don’t believe that then you’re an anti-semitic moronic nutjob. Just ask Larry.

  • Arsalan

    MJ

    You might have meant it as a joke but

    You might have meant it as a joke, but Micheal actually said something very similar to that. I can’t be bothered to scroll up and look for it but it was something like “Muslims killed a bunch of non-Muslims, disguised the dead as Muslims took photos of them with Muslim women crying around them”

    And Larry carry on lying. I think it has become such a habit now that you can’t stop. you just can’t stop.

    If you are telling the truth. Just put a phone number down here, the area code will tell us where you are. I will phone it to check it is true.

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