237 thoughts on “The Stolen Seas

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  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    “So when Craig said the fishery limits were sneaked in the night before devolution he was bullshitting then.”

    No. I don’t know which stage of devolution Craig was referring to but the intention of Westminster was clearly to sneak the new boundaries through before a devolved Scottish government could do anything about it. You can quibble about the dates if you want to.

    The boundaries are nothing to do with fishing protection, are dubious in international law, and were deviously implemented by Westminster to the detriment of Scotland.

  • Pink

    Those of you interested in GW subjects may like to have a look at Duncan Steels new topic and I will add Duncan’s rider so its clear what is up for discussion on his page .

    http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/date/2014/09/03

    “To reiterate, the only matter that will be discussed here is how the insolation has altered under the influence of Earth’s evolving orbit and directly related points. Please do not waste your own time, and try to waste mine, by posting comments on any other matter. It does not take me long to click the ‘trash’ button.

    On the other hand, comments specifically pertaining to how orbital changes are affecting the insolation in the present epoch are welcome. If I have made a mistake, please show me where; or, if you have made your own calculations and can confirm those I have presented, please say so.”

  • DoNNyDarKo

    Fred : You are fuckin thick. Windscale changed to Sellafield.Didnt make it disappear.
    The Argyll field is still there. Just a name change doesn’t make it disappear stupid.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Thanks for your link about Global Warming, Pink. Very interesting, but I predict it will receive very little coverage in the mainstream media.

    Whatever the extent of mankind’s contribution to global warming, there is an agenda to accentuate it at the expense of all other possible causes. The BBC, for example, will not give fair coverage to opponents of AGW as a matter of policy. In their ironically named report From Seesaw to Wagonwheel – Safeguarding impartiality in the 21st century, based on their dodgy secret seminar they they said:

    “The BBC has held a high-level seminar with some of the best scientific experts, and has come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus [on anthropogenic climate change]”.

  • mark golding

    Mary- MH17 was shot down by 30mm Type GSch-302 /AO-17A cannon fire from Ukrainian SU25 fighter jets. Hence the rapid Kiev cease-fire agreement before the final report emerges.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ze9BNGDyk4

    President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry publicly lied.

    Agent Cameron said he had not seen data from the black box flight recorder but that the intelligence still suggested the plane was brought down by pro-Russian separatists using a Russian-supplied missile.

    Agent Cameron lied to the bereaved families of John Alder, Lawyer John Allen, Stephen Anderson former RAF rescue, Robert Ayley a dog breeder, Cameron Dalziel, Glenn Thomas a health worker, Liam Sweeney, Ben Pocock, Richard Mayne and Banker Andrew Hoare.

    LIES. LIES, LIES Mr Cameron…

  • Ben

    “high energy’ sounds more like ATA rod/pin than 30mm, don’t you think Mark? But, the cockpit was hit above the floor, as though the crew was to be the first to go so no time for chatter on the CVR, and the warhead pins are not that precise. I was hoping the CVR would have had crew reaction. Apparently they didn’t know what hit them.

  • nevermind, Scotland will be free

    The queen could not possibly be asked to help the panic stricken No, nothing to offer campaign, so the cameron Milliped entourage will trek there tomoorrow for homage to some or other event and/or person, speak of the momentous vote and the Historical moment of truth, when Camerons future will take a nosedive and Milliped be filed under ‘further ran’.

    Todays inexorably rising CO2 figures are worrying for anyone contemplating a family or sitting on the sidelines unable to change this runaway process, the messages are not getting through to politicians, manufacturers and consumers alike.

    Re: MH17 High energy objects… Now what are the warhead components of the missiles apparently shot by rebells? If they are of random size then the theory false apart, because the holes clearly visible on the wreckage clearly point to a uniform shape, roughly the equivalent of a 30mm air to air canon.
    The transcripts should also show the command by air traffic control to change the route.

    It is to be seen what questions are posed by the relatives to this open scenario. I say open because the high energy objects have not been found yet, maybe there will be some amongst the wreckage, but it is not necessarily a given.

    Since there is a cease fire, the search should continue to find clues as to the shrapnel/munition used.
    The BUK system has a 70kilo HE fragmentation warhead which would ripp apart into many fragments, but they would not be of uniform size or ripp uniform holes into the Fusilage.
    Not a word about a second plane, nothing, not a peeps about checking Kievs military and civilian flight records for deletions, yet.

  • Republicofscotland

    Yes Craig this really was blatant theft of Scottish waters, whats is even more mind boggling is the theft was openly debated in Westminster, and that Old Queen Lizzie would have had to agreed to said proposal.

    This unjust act secretly passed, without the consent of the Scottish People took approximately 15% of oil and gas revenues out of the Scottish sector of the North Sea taking £2.2 Billion out of the Scottish economy. This lost revenue is more than the proposed £35 Billion Scottish budget cuts for the next 15 years (£2.16 Billion per year).

    Westminster doesn’t give a monkeys for Scots and we’ve finally woken up to the fact.

    http://oilofscotland.org/scottish_politics.html#Scotlands_marine_boundries

  • Ben

    Shrapnel, by it’s very description has random shapes and sizes. The BUK has a proximity warhead like ATA missile, but it projects shrapnel, not the more symmetrical pin/rod of an air-to-air.

  • Mary

    This so funny. Agent Smoothface Cameron has had the Saltire raised over No 10. Instead of using one of his ‘climbers’ he outsourced the job to Amey!

    The flag seems to have brewer’s droop. It is not flying. It is hanging limply. http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-09/saltire-hoisted-above-downing-street/

    Should have put it on top of Pugin’s Palace. All that hot air generated within would have made it flutter.

    Why didn’t he use one of those two faced jobs that had the Union Flag on one side and the Saltire on the other.

    Not to be outdone, Cleggover is going up to Scotland too. Waste of time and fossil fuel.

  • Republicofscotland

    The despicable Daily Record an anti-independence, and Canary Wharf owned, unionist rag, gives Gordon Brown a two page spread today, to propagate his unionist lies Browns swears if we vote no new powers will be devolved, these impotent and mainly useless powers, of which none of the three parties can agree on will, somehow cover over the cracks in the union.

    Brown, who’s reputation in Scotland is as good as former Rangers owner Craig Whyte, robbed the UK pension pot of billions whilst in power he gave pensioners a measly 10p rise in their pensions, and sold the UK’s gold bullion when the price couldn’t have gone any lower, and this is the man Westminster hopes will change Scots minds into voting no.

  • Republicofscotland

    This so funny. Agent Smoothface Cameron has had the Saltire raised over No 10. Instead of using one of his ‘climbers’ he outsourced the job to Amey!
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    Yes Mary heard that on the news, also heard the three amigo’s (Cameron, Clegg and Miliband) are due to land in Scotland tomorrow, no doubt they’ll promise the moon as long as Scots vote no.

  • Mary

    This is the chairman of Amey and DSTL. Ex civil servant in the time of Heseltine/Younger/etc ex Cabinet Office etc

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mottram

    See notes Dr Kelly and Jo Moore.

    Amey is a subsidiary of the Spanish multi national Ferrovial who have a 36% interest in these airports.

    Aberdeen Airport (Ownership and operator)
    Glasgow International Airport (Ownership and operator)
    London Heathrow Airport (Ownership and operator)
    Southampton Airport (Ownership and operator)
    Naples Airport (Operator)

  • fred

    “No. I don’t know which stage of devolution Craig was referring to but the intention of Westminster was clearly to sneak the new boundaries through before a devolved Scottish government could do anything about it. You can quibble about the dates if you want to.”

    It doesn’t exactly matter which as it doesn’t seem to coincide with any of them.

  • passerby

    As per principles of Schumpeter’s theories the best event that can happen is for Scotland to become and independent entity, and the subsequent shake up of the English political structures could save whatever is left of UK. On the hand the political classes carry on the same path as before and lose Wales which shall follow pretty quickly thereafter.

    It has been for many years that the plutocrats, and their political appointees have been granting themselves the eternal and absolute rule over the beleaguered, oppressed, discounted plebeians trapped in UK. The result of such a misrule have been the overt corruption and rampant crime, leaving the population in a poverty trap, with little or no hope of changing their lot for the better.

    Good luck Scotland and I am certain that I will make the preparation so that I can make the move to Scotland for a better future, and a better standard of life.

  • Republicofscotland

    Another lie is being pumped out today by the London media, that of panic in the financial markets following the YouGov poll.

    Here is the truth: yesterday the FTSE 100 barely twitched, and today it continues to sit 300 points higher than it did one month ago; as for Sterling, today it sits at a healthy 1.61 against the dollar, and as for the Euro, this morning it has bounced back above 1.25.

    When Douglas Alexander, the Shadow Foreign Secretary, speaks of imaginary economic problems, he shows why his colleagues are said to have christened him ‘Rain Man’; he has difficulty connecting with reality. The truth, Douglas, is that if Scotland says ‘Yes’ next week, one of the first things that will happen thereafter will be a commitment by Westminster to currency union. That is what today’s reaction indicates, and it is what would be the case, for sure. As for the Footsie, it will be business as usual.

    Most bizarre of all, though is Gordon Brown, old Captain Barbossa, stepping forward as the saviour of the Union. That the man who did more that any other to demonstrate the case for Independence by his lamentable performance as Prime Minister, should expect any electorate now to believe a single bloody word he says, well, for me that redefines irony.
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    An interesting, and sensible point of view.

    http://quintinjardine.me/2014/09/09/my-rubicon-crossed/

  • Just Sayin

    But of course – YESSS, its clearly a no brainer, especially so when habba & co are in the NO camp.

    The conspiracy theorists are now going to say bibi deliberately timed his Gaza massacre, to show Cameron in a bad light, and give Salmonds YES campaign a push as there is a lot of sympathy in Ecosse for the Palestinians.

  • Republicofscotland

    A Scottish MP has reacted with fury after the Scottish Parliament was stripped of a key energy power after a House of Lords amendment was backed by Unionist MPs.

    SNP Energy spokesman Mike Weir MP slammed the vote, which saw powers over renewable obligation brought back under the control of Westminster.

    Commenting on the debate in the House of Commons on the Lords amendment to the Energy bill – and in particular Amendment 54 which removed the Scottish parliament’s powers in respect of renewables obligation in Scotland – Mr Weir said:

    “This is an outrageous example of the unionist parties ganging up to remove powers from the Scottish parliament. Worse still they did so by introducing last-minute amendments in the unelected House of Lords, rather than having the courage to debate it on the floor of the House of Commons.”
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    We’ve not even voted yet and already Westminster is stripping away powers from Holyrood.

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/8428-fury-after-unelected-peers-strip-power-from-scotland

  • fred

    “The boundaries are nothing to do with fishing protection, are dubious in international law, and were deviously implemented by Westminster to the detriment of Scotland.”

    They were debated and accepted by the Scottish Parliament on the 3 June 1999.

    A motion to amend the order to make the boundary run due east was defeated by the Scottish Parliament.

    They were not deviously implemented at all. The matter was debated and voted on by Scottish MSPs. Once they got assurances that the line was purely for administration purposes and nobody was going to stop them fishing south of it the Scottish fishermen were happy with it as well.

  • Tony M

    I understand the redrawn line was purely for matters of law enforcement, or were spun as so. Say a punch-up on board ship after too much rum and biscuit, which jurisdiction, Sheriffdom, assault charges might be brought in, depending on the location. Nothing to do with ownership.

  • Ba'al Zevul (For Scotland)

    They were debated and accepted by the Scottish Parliament on the 3 June 1999.

    Hardly surprising, since the unionist parties outnumbered the SNP 91-35 seats. If Scotlend were an independent entity, it would be a treacherous MSP (of whatever tartan) who would vote for the motion again.

    You can find the debate here.

    http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness.aspx

    If you have a time machine.

  • Republicofscotland

    That was 2013. Look at the top of the page.
    Are you just Googling “Scotland”?
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    Ssshhh! I’m in campaign mode.

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