There was never any doubt that the accusation of terrorism against Moazzam Begg was, once again, a tissue of politically motivated lies. What is still more appalling, I am told by a Home Office source that the decision to arrest and detain him was taken by Theresa May herself. This involvement of politicians in the abuse of individuals by the state is appalling.
Jacqui Smith did the same thing as Home Secretary, grandstanding about her role in the front page arrest of twelve Muslims in the North West of England, not one of whom was charged with any offence. The “bomb ingredient” the police found on that occasion turned out to be nothing but sugar.
Theresa May was lording it at the Tory party conference with a ludicrous speech about combating the “terrorist menace” which we are bombing Iraq to enhance, not decrease. At the same time as being acclaimed for further attacks on civil liberties, she was responsible for the completely unjustified imprisonment of the Muslim community’s most elegant spokesman against abuses, including torture, of state power against Muslims.
The other disgusting aspect of this case is the complicity of the judicial system with the state in the abuse of liberty by right wing politicians. There are no longer any effective checks on executive power in the British state. To cap this cycle of total power, Sky News last night were suggesting (and I understand behind the Murdoch paywall it is being propagated today) that Moazzam really is a terrorist and had been released as an appeasement to aid Islamic State British hostages. This total lie is a further snide attack by the terror state.
The truth of the persecution of Begg, who was detained to stop him researching British complicity in extraordinary rendition to Syria by Blair and Straw, is evidently something the Establishment does not want to enter a wider public consciousness.
In any decent society, Theresa May would have to resign over her involvement in the appalling mistreatment of Moazzam Begg. Instead she is touted as a future Prime Minister for the toughness on “terrorism”. That tells you everything about what a stinking, corrupt society the United Kingdom now has become.
Was Begg recruiting for ISIS with the full knowledge of the British secret services,as stated on the Today programme, or not?
“Craig,On Radio 4 this morning they were saying that he had been heard stating that ISIS was recruiting the wrong kind of activist,they were too weak or something to that effect,and that his defence would have been that he was at that time helping the British secret service help ISIS in their war against Assad.
It sounded plausible (and I usually believe little of what I hear on this subject),is that bollocks?”
This is sort of reminiscent of the Matrix Churchill affair. The government were quite prepared to let innocent people go to prison, tried to suppress evidence with the official secrets act, even lied to parliament.
I’m not surprised at Theresa May’s actions at all, she has form,remember her handling of the Border Control Agency fiasco. Very few high profile politician fall on their swords these days, though I see the ex head of the BNP Nick Griffith,has finally been banished from, the party, if it can be called a party.
Mr Goss
I think someone’s trying to impersonate you again. Because someone calling him/herself “John Goss has just written :
“Anon1 and Habbabkuk…..Get back on topic twats.”
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I know it must be an impersonation because you – the real Mr Goss – were yourself off-topic on the previous thread (about benefit cuts) with comments on scientific experiments on blacks, Moazzam Begg (three times) and Cristina Kirchner’s thoughts on the UN Security Council.
Geoffrey writes
“Was Begg recruiting for ISIS with the full knowledge of the British secret services,as stated on the Today programme, or not?”
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If he was, does that make him a hero or a villain in the opinion of Eminences and Useful Idiots here gathered in intellectual congress?
Any thoughts? Serious and polite answers only, please.
Disgraceful, mendacious fascists is our government
Jives
“The worldwide sham that is the War On Terror continues.”
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So your position is that the War on Terror is a sham.
Is that because you hold that there is no terror (or terrorism if you prefer)directed against Western states?
“Yup, when I go to the Co-op I always look for it on the halal bomb ingredient shelf, too. Practically anything organic can be. Did they find any flour? A gas cylinder would have had them cheering to the rafters.”
So it’s obviously a matter of common sense. A 2lb bag of sugar in a kitchen cabinet could not be considered bomb making material. A 2cwt sack in a garden shed could.
Do we know the quantities involved in this particular case?
Craig
“The other disgusting aspect of this case is the complicity of the judicial system with the state in the abuse of liberty by right wing politicians.”
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Perhaps I’m not entirely up to speed on this case, but how exactly has the British judicial system been complicit? What – in accordance with law – has it not done that it should have, or what has it done that it should not have?
Thanks.
Habbabkuk,
“Is that because you hold that there is no terror (or terrorism if you prefer)directed against Western states?”
Only that which the West causes and incites,by its foreign policies,to make money from,by war and resource theft.
Is that because you hold that there is no terror (or terrorism if you prefer)directed against Western states?
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Habb
If there is, the west and Europe have brought it upon themselves, examples include the west creating rebel groups to destablise a country,then creating another rebel group, to attack the first group, because they didn’t follow western protocol.
A 2cwt sack in a garden shed could.
That would contravene EU health and safety, Fred, as you should well know. 25Kg maximum carry, I think, nowadays?
But even that would not have ‘bomber’ on the label. Could be repackaging and selling on from that stereotypical Muslim-type corner shop. Could be making jam. And in the absence of another essential type of ingredient, also with legitimate uses, no justification to send in the SWAT squad. Trading Standards, maybe.
“But even that would not have ‘bomber’ on the label. Could be repackaging and selling on from that stereotypical Muslim-type corner shop. Could be making jam. And in the absence of another essential type of ingredient, also with legitimate uses, no justification to send in the SWAT squad. Trading Standards, maybe.”
I did use the word “could” in anticipation of your response, which you ignored and used anyway.
If we don’t know the actual circumstances, i.e. the quantities involved, I don’t see how it’s possible to make a judgement either way.
You just have to look at quite recent history, albeit 30 to 40 odd years or so ago, to see the judicial and political skullduggery of Westminster and the High Court, cases such as the Birmingham Six, or the Guildford Four or even the Maguire Seven, have all been prominent.
Of course times do change and so do the so called terrorists,they’re now mostly radicalised young Muslim men, Westminster’s preferred enemy.
Fred, I welcome your conversion to nonjudgementalism. However, I did find this, seeing as you were being insistent:
Yesterday police at one property in Manchester were seen removing sachets of sugar – sometimes used as a component in homemade explosives.
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/194560
This may not be the least objective site on the web, but the piece in question cites the BBC.
No doubt they missed the 2-cwt sack.
Fred,
Surely the fact that none of them was charged gives you all the answers you would want about the quantity of sugar involved?
No?
Britain seems to mirror the U.S.
“The west and Europe have brought it upon themselves”
“Only that which the West causes and incites,by its foreign policies,to make money from,by war and resource theft.”
What a strange alliance it is between the hard left and radical Islam. I suppose any West-hating cause will do, but in any state run along Islamic lines they would be first up on the chopping block.
Flying planes into buildings, blowing up trains, tubes and buses, jihadi attacks killing scores of civilians, attacks on school children, shopping malls, hotels, synagogues, churches, but mostly mosques, suicide bombings, beheadings, crucifixions, the list is endless. All over the world, every day.
Yet it’s all somehow the fault of the West. And you wonder why your views never gain any traction.
Surely someone can tell me…was Moazem Begg recruiting for ISIS, presumably there would have been nothing illegal about doing so if he was acting on behalf of the government. Though,perhaps a bit embarrassing to get arrested OHMS. If that is the case,of course.
“Fred, I welcome your conversion to nonjudgementalism. However, I did find this, seeing as you were being insistent:
Yesterday police at one property in Manchester were seen removing sachets of sugar – sometimes used as a component in homemade explosives.”
Then I think it’s reasonable to assume that in this case the sugar in question could not be considered a bomb making material and that the newspaper reporters who suggested it could were being alarmist.
“Surely the fact that none of them was charged gives you all the answers you would want about the quantity of sugar involved?
No?”
No.
Flying planes into 2 buildings-3 fell down, blowing up trains- operation Gladio,tubes – dodgy proof and no autopsies,the SAS were caught blowing up mosques in Basra, the beheading videos have been deemed as false by experts,Synagogue in Argentina was false flag,Crucifixions, the Sanhedrin and Romans were to blame.Wesley Clark said 7 countries would fall,and we ar at number 6.West do anything to hurt Islamic nations?No,just conspiracies Anon.
Anon1,
“What a strange alliance it is between the hard left and radical Islam. I suppose any West-hating cause will do, but in any state run along Islamic lines they would be first up on the chopping block.2
What a ridiculously shrill false dichotomy.
Has it occurred you can loathe the policies without the broader and insufficient labeling?
Very poor-even by your standards Anon1.
What a strange alliance it is between the hard left and radical Islam. I suppose any West-hating cause will do, but in any state run along Islamic lines they would be first up on the chopping block.
Flying planes into buildings, blowing up trains, tubes and buses, jihadi attacks killing scores of civilians, attacks on school children, shopping malls, hotels, synagogues, churches, but mostly mosques, suicide bombings, beheadings, crucifixions, the list is endless. All over the world, every day.
Yet it’s all somehow the fault of the West. And you wonder why your views never gain any traction.
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How naive of you, you forget that your masters have form, it would very difficult to think of a country that the British Empire didn’t piss off, or try to exploit, and as for the USA, they made a rod for their own back when they aided the ousting of the Shah of Iran, in 1979,just one example.
The UK and the US have caused havoc and murder all over the globe and you wonder why, some countries kill their citizens, what would you do?
Fred,
Well the fact that they weren’t charged indicates there was clearly not enough sugar to make a bomb? i.e. industrial quantities.
What is problematic for you to comprehend in that Fred?
Mats
“No,just conspiracies Anon”
Yes I gathered that, Mats. Talking of conspiracies, intriguing that you have exactly the same difficulty with spacing commas as Jives (3:21pm).
That aside, what do you think really happened on 9/11?
Anon1,
Dude…you’re getting way too tinfoily and paranoid man,chill out.
Happy for mods to confirm i am not Mats.
Further,i pretty much concur with Mats post so why on earth would i change identity for that you fool?
Mats : “…the beheading videos have been deemed as false by experts…”
I hate to break into your flow, but just on this one – which experts?
” which experts?”
It doesn’t require much expertise to out Rita Katz and SITE. MOSSAD cum laude.
Iraqi pilots mistakenly drop supplies — instead of bombs — on Islamic State terrorists
Members of Islamic State recently received an unexpected surprise from the Iraqi military’s inexperienced pilots: an airdrop of food, water and ammunition.
A senior security official told NBC News on Tuesday that an investigation has been launched into how supplies meant for Iraqi soldiers fighting the terrorist group were dropped at the wrong location in Anbar province.
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Mistake my arse they knew exactly what they were doing, replenishing their own rebels under the guise of ISIS/ISL/IS or whatever the hell they’re called, to allow the pretence to continue.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/30/iraqi-pilots-dropped-food-water-and-ammunition-on-/