The Al-Hilli Conundrum

by craig on September 10, 2012 12:43 pm in Uncategorized

My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

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  1. http://www.123people.fr/s/sylvain+molliere

    I still think he’s a different one, but we’ll see.

    Two pics on here

  2. http://fr.viadeo.com/fr/profile/sylvain.molliere

    Need to join this to see the profile. Anyone who speaks French want to volunteer?

  3. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 7:28 pm

  4. Stawberry

    I went to the Metallurgy webpage link and within 2 minutes someone from Washington DC went there”

    ……….

    And how do you know that ?

  5. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 7:48 pm

    James if you had been there yourself you would know

  6. Stawberry

    I went to the Metallurgy webpage link and within 2 minutes someone from Washington DC went there”

    ……….

    And how do you know that ?

    yes how indeed james.
    looks like james as become lead investigator on this mossad mi6 farce.
    luger gun today what will it be tommorow.
    james dedication speaks volumes yes no.
    now we have the iraqi building nukes trying to destroy london.
    is it cos he is browm.
    poor gareth was just a pervert in a sports bag.
    nobody destroyed his reputation by saying he was working for osama.
    who runs bengazi for the cia al queada who is in syria with nato weapons al queada.
    james emails have been sent to various media asking abbout d notice so far no replies.
    just because you can knock out 10 emails an hour just mean you have a dog in this fight.
    and any answer or rebuttal you give needs to be looked at.

    james what ever you say the fact is james bond,the cia and mossad kill kids and old folks.

    any nation that uses depleted uranium missiles as uk,us,france and israel do not give a damn about humans.
    this is a turf war no different to mafia infighting only with a much higher kill rate.
    unless you are the fat controller on this site take a wank break old bean.

  7. Golden rule nr 1. Ignore anyone using the idiot phrase conspiracy theory

    Facts. All info about Mollier, where he lives, what he looks like kept secret from the French and world press. Period.

    Ditto photos of Mrs Dentist. Mrs Granny.
    Not so Mr Al Hilli.

    Funeral of French citizen allegedly assasinated in cold blood kept secret.

    Move along please, nothing to see.

  8. …AND I WOULD HAVE GOT AWAY WITH IT, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR YOU PESKY KIDS !

    You pair are crackers !

  9. Here we go again !!!

    The D notice !

    And the proof of this is ????

  10. Funeral of French citizen allegedly assasinated in cold blood kept secret.

    Move along please, nothing to see.

    question why have they not pinned this on a syrian or iranian.
    because it is bad for france.
    if it is known that us,mossad or uk kill teams are killing a french man on home soil.
    it shows what a vassal state france is.

    they can bomb libya with depleted uranium leaving dust with a half life of 10s of thousands of years.

    but they run and hide and cover up when this happens.

    what did the uk do when they found out mossad was using brit passports for kill teams.
    nothing.
    weakness.
    complete zionist fear and control

  11. You guys…. STOP IT !

    You’re just intent on destroying this thread.

    Mod/Clark….can you review please.

  12. Stawberry

    I went to the Metallurgy webpage link and within 2 minutes someone from Washington DC went there”

    James

    And how do you know that ?

    Strawberry

    James if you had been there yourself you would know

    Kind od “says it all really”.
    If you think you can defeat “free speech” and reason, you “guys” are wrong.

  13. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 8:17 pm

    James, Go there and find out you lazy thing.
    Who do you think you are?
    We are not here for your benefit and you certainly arent for ours.

  14. @ felix
    Facts. All info about Mollier, where he lives, what he looks like kept secret from the French and world press. Period.

    Ditto photos of Mrs Dentist. Mrs Granny.
    Not so Mr Al Hilli.

    Funeral of French citizen allegedly assasinated in cold blood kept secret.

    Move along please, nothing to see.
    ……………………………

    But its all normal Felix dontcha know..

  15. @ strawberry
    Who do you think you are?
    We are not here for your benefit and you certainly arent for ours.
    ……….

    You tell him Strawberry. And I echo every word.

  16. @James there’s a live traffic feed on the site.
    It shows visitors OS, Browser type, town and where they have been directed from.

  17. There’s a S Mollier here, a member of les Chasseurs & in the right area, Third photo down. Right age, though I feel there would be a message of condolence if it were he..

    http://www.acafc.net/pages/ACAFC_les_instructeurs_de_la_FFCA-336873.html

  18. Dopey, you have been taken for a fool.

    I have folloewed the links, …and for the life of me I have not been taken by Washington.

    So, no D noice.

    No flight from Geneva

    The gun “appears” to be wrong (but I think a Luger !!! That’s odd).

    Washington and the spooks watching this thread is wrong.

    So, fella’s…what next ?

  19. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 8:25 pm

    Shame watcher, he sits on his throne bossing you all about.
    James underlings.

  20. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 8:25 pm

    A visitor from Washington, District of Columbia
    viewed “France-METALLURGIE » Blog Archive » Le Japon et le Chine commencent à se disputer les terres rares qui se trouvent dans la mer de Chine” 2 mins ago

  21. Watcher.

    That’s fine by me. I have no problem with that at all.

  22. James you muppet it shows the latest visitors on the website! Be told.

  23. Ok , so if this IS the right Sylvain, and he’s a skilled bow hunter, he would have been used to the sounds of the forest and probably hunting rifles.

    So if he was 300metres away at the time of the shooting (?) he would have heard the shots , therefore likely to have been a silenced weapon.

    Otherwise he would have turned round and gone back down the hill, as upto 25 shots in fairly quick succession could not be interpreted as normal hunting.

  24. Early reporting of Mollier in the French Press.
    http://www.lalsace.fr/actualite/2012/09/07/le-cycliste-a-peut-etre-sauve-la-vie-de-la-petite-fille-blessee

    Flags flown at half-mast at the factory. Family go to ground. Rest of town/factory tight lipped….

    La famille de Sylvain Mollier, le cycliste savoyard retrouvé mort à côté de la voiture, à Chevaline, a choisi de rester à l’écart des médias et de ne divulguer aucune information, ni photo à son sujet. Une discrétion qui semble à l’image du disparu et qu’ont adoptée de nombreux d’Ugine (Savoie) depuis l’annonce du drame…

    Sylvain Mollier, it is reported there,had also chosen to take 3 years’ parental leave!

  25. @Straw

    Interesting find re Mollier. Note though it lists on the archery site his location as Mandeure, at least 200k north of Geneva, his listed phone no. tallies with the location also. Unless the site’s out of date, probably not the same guy. Pretty strange coincidence I must admit. Also check the DailyMail if you haven’t already in the last hour. Looks like the press are only now picking up on the ‘he might not just be the innocent bystander’ tip.

  26. James you muppet it shows the latest visitors on the website! Be told”.

    But if it’s a VPN ???? Hey ho !

    Anyhoos I have to sort out R91′s paperwork through the canal,
    Bloomin nightmare the French are ! Xx

  27. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 8:38 pm

    My immediate thoughts:-
    3 years WOW
    Unpaid?
    Needs money?

  28. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 8:41 pm

    Good find Haden,
    I found the photo by searching from 2000 to 2011 so ignoring all of this.

  29. @ james
    But if it’s a VPN ???? Hey ho !

    Then it just says “an awkward contrary git called “James” visited 4 seconds ago..” ;-)

  30. Now if we can be sensible…

    “Sylvain Mollier, it is reported there,had also chosen to take 3 years’ parental leave!”

    I also picked up on this “way back when”….and thought, wow, three years paid leave (or half paid).

    But, is it lost in translation ?

    As in “three children” ?

    The longer time you get for “the third” ?

    Then again, I have also read that Mrs Mollier had two “previously” and this was the “third” but the first to him ?

    So simply put, it’s confusing.

    How many do they have ? Are they all “their” own ? Was she remarried to him and had a child ?

    Any thoughts

  31. Then it just says “an awkward contrary git called “James” visited 4 seconds ago..”

    Jeez, these interweb things are damn amazing !

    And less of the “contray” you ! You’ve had your moment to I reall ?

  32. “reall” is recall ! Typo on a funny keyboard.

  33. Just Googled French maternity/paternity laws. They can take up to three years unpaid leave.

  34. It is really very odd the way ALL attention has been focused on al Hilli and none whatsoever on the French cyclist. His house wasn’t searched in the full glare of the media nor his background exposed and relatives suspected. Instead, his family was afforded the utmost privacy Even rafman barely gave him a mention. Very very fishy if you ask me. They have succeeded in making al Hilli look like a terrorist in the public eye with their bomb alert and house searches.

  35. Dopey

    “Just Googled French maternity/paternity laws. They can take up to three years unpaid leave”

    Then are early reports true ?

    A chilled guy, three ankle biters….and chummy rides his bike for a couple of hours ?

  36. FEEEELIX !

    Thanks.

    I thought I had read it.

    Sylvain had chosen to take a parental leave of three years may be better able to take care of the child he had had with his wife, a pharmacist at Grignon, and two seniors, born from a previous marriage.

    There we go. Three years leave and two born to a previous marraige !

    BUT, why granted three years !!!!!

    The “new born” is only two months old ????

    BOOM !

  37. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204165/Could-French-victim-Alpine-massacre-main-target-French-police-admit-cyclist-led-double-life.html

    Here’s the mail article published earlier – suggests Sylvain may have had double life + possibility of team of shooters

  38. That report just has to be wrong…..

    OR

    …if correct.

    That’s why there are no pictures of him, family or etc.

    OR… I am running up a blind alley ????

  39. @Kathy

    It could be seen to be odd. I think more likely it’s the fact that no-one in the british press seemed too concerned about him at first, “UK Family Massacred!!….oh and some french guy too”. Selling papers is of course the name of the game. The French investigators have been pretty tight lipped over the whole matter as well. Blood from a stone springs to mind. As I said to Straw earlier, the Mail (though I hate to source them) have in the last few hours run a piece posing some of the questions that have been asked about Mollier here.

  40. Got to love the coincidences here if Mollier and ‘ex-RAF chap’ were both innocent passers by as we have been told.

    Al-Hilli takes his family up this mountain road dead end for whatever reason. 4 year olds and seventy something grannies are not likely mountain hikers. They are up there for over an hour doing god knows what with no other passers by. Then up pops a gunman who shoots them all and within minutes of each other Mollier, ‘ex-RAF guy’ and 3 French hikers stumble upon the scene.

    My gut feeling is that they were waiting to meet someone up there and the kill team was watching waiting for that person to arrive and when they did they struck.

    If the Al-Hillis alone were the target why wait until they had been there over an hour before striking? The start of the hit appears to have been triggered by the arrival of Mollier.

  41. @ Haden

    Yes you could be right. Also, the Iraqi angle and the two children would add extra interest.

  42. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 9:16 pm

    From the mail:
    Could be more than 1 gun of the same type. We will know by October!!
    Just as Zainab is saying there is only 1 bad man.

    We havent had stories and information ever matching at the same time since day 1.

  43. If it was Mollier to be hit…and by an old Luger, the press (other thyan local) would have not reported it.

    “Cyclist shot with WWII weapon, manhunt for nutter”.

    If it was the Al Hilli’s…why use such a small pistol ?

    So Mollier ?

    There was a report that he was on a “new route” ????

    A local cyclist ? A known access point to “The Alps” and this is “new” ???

    If this is the case…come back Anders, all is forgiven !
    Right tent, wrong desert !

    You wouldn’t need a big hit team for one man would you ?

  44. I think the ‘New route’ that Sylvain was taking must have come from the wife at the police station with his photo when he was 5 mins late for his tea

  45. @felix @anybody “Facts. All info about Mollier, where he lives, what he looks like kept secret from the French and world press. Period.”
    Proof? Any reason why they should reveal any of the above? The family want privacy end of.

    “Ditto photos of Mrs Dentist. Mrs Granny.”
    Not relevant,the police/family dont need to release photos of every Tom DIck HArry just to please rabid forum nutters.
    “Not so Mr Al Hilli.”
    Bit difficult when they are pulling his house apart.

    “Funeral of French citizen allegedly assasinated in cold blood kept secret.”
    See my comment above. Why should they publish date ,time ,place of his funeral? Just to appease forum nutters? If you can give good reason, do so.
    If Police wanted to keep cyclist secret the could have not mentioned him or no tnamed him.

    “Move along please, nothing to see.”
    Certainly nothing suspicious.

  46. Still unreported whether or not sylvain mollier was a muslim. That is a key issue for most conspiracy theories regarding mollier. Could anybody find out? E.g.style of funeral or graveyard?

    Regarding the girl hiding in the car: they were shias, that means that the women were covered top to toe with a black turqa. A little kid can easily hide below such a turqa fabrics.

    About the elder girl. I guess that she was in the car. Likely the father in front was shot first. Girl panics and huggs her mother and gets the next shot into her shoulder. The little girl hidds below her mothers turqa. Then the two women were shot dead. Killer is not interested in the girl. While he returns to his car the elder girl leaves the car running away and runs into the car of the driving killer, being injured in her face and skull by the car.
    That is just a theory but pretty realistic.

    Mollier: i dont accept that he was a random victim. He would never have been that close next to the car if he were accidentally there. If he were exactly in front of that car by accident, the killer would have waited some minutes before he began with his assasination. In case he arrived during the assasination, then there are two unlogic facts why he would be in front of the car.
    1. He would have seen the massacre at least 100 meters before he arrived. Usually, if you dont have a gun, you would try to escape as soon as possible. Runnung or cycling into the opposite directions or hiding in the woods. Whatver, but certainly not cycling right in front to the killer. 2. Also the killer would not wait until sylvain were in front of himself. That would get critical for the killer because he would definitely not like to wrestle that guy. Therfore the killer woild shoot him at least in a distance of 25 to 40 meters apart of the car.

    That scene looks like sylvain arrived with a paraglider from heaven if in fact he were an accident victim. Given the position of his body in front of that car he was no accident victim, but he was part of the dcene, likely meeting al hilli for some reason and deliberately on the list of that killer.

  47. Watcher,

    “I think the ‘New route’ that Sylvain was taking must have come from the wife at the police station with his photo when he was 5 mins late for his tea”

    It was an early report…and I thought “hello”.

    And IF it’s true, it’s damn strange.

    VPN remains on ! As if it is Mollier…and the Al Hilli’s got caught up in it, these guys mean serious business.

  48. Where is Anders ?

  49. Guy_Fawkes2010

    16 Sep, 2012 - 9:24 pm

    @Kathy @Haden

    “the Mail (though I hate to source them) have in the last few hours run a piece posing some of the questions that have been asked about Mollier here.”

    So I guess one of the lurkers here is a DM hack ??

  50. Perhaps it was still one man….but he had a couple of guns?

    (now have visions of John Wayne wearing a double holster)

    We still don’t know for defo it WAS a luger…or a Skorpion. Since we’ve had two reports on the gun now it could be either, or neither.

    The Skorpion sounds more plausable than the Luger (and I can’t believe I actually now now the difference, and the pro’s and con’s of a bloody Luger)

  51. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 9:24 pm

    I still like Brett Martin & Sylvain as training partners. Each has a minute lead see how long they can hold it.
    But absolutely no proof to link them apart from that they both cycle.

  52. And same club ?

    Both kicked out ?

    Ugine Velo ?

  53. Straw.
    Didn’t someone say Brett Martin was doing security work, many do after the forces, he’s still young enough to be working ?

  54. @ john

    “Move along please, nothing to see.”
    Certainly nothing suspicious.
    ………………………..

    Quite. So why not stick to trashing posters on the DS forums and leave us on here to it!!!!

  55. Its strange to run to the police seemingly so quickly, I have no exact timings (who does?) but it seems that she drove to the Police , photo in hand within an hour or two of him not arriving home..
    Police in UK wouldn’t take much notice until someone has been missing for 24 hours – Unless they were vulnerable (mental health, lack of medication etc) or very young …

  56. Yes, Anders where are you?

  57. @ watcher

    I think they reported that she’d heard about a shot cyclist so, him having not come home, she went to the police to see if it was him.

  58. What about….

    Two cars in the carpark. And a motorbike.

    A barrier to “to slow” Mollier down (but how would they know he was to go there ???)

    And 5 shots to Mollier (that leaves four left).

    One shot to the windscreen.. 3 to the driver (and reload).

    Same to the back…run around…starts again. Then….

    Bloomin heck, even I have to say theres alot of running around involved in that scene !!!!!

  59. @Dopey, that sounds a bit more plausible..

  60. …was going to add.

    4×4 leaves…..and hitman is on his motorbike.

    BUT it just doesn’t add up. Sorry.

  61. How long do we wait before filing a missing persons report for Anders?

  62. Guy_Fawkes2010

    16 Sep, 2012 - 9:38 pm

    Oops a bit late for VPN , hey ho !

  63. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 9:40 pm

    30 seconds of gunfire from the nearby campers?? fits 2 shooting better especially if had to reload.
    Do you think the bonnet mark could be from the same bullet that marked the windscreen – would be from low down maybe the far side of the road, where the verge is below the road surface (can only be seen from the video of the area)

  64. Ya got to be ahead of the curve Guy !

    Hence your fire didnt work so well.

    …and I previously lived in the Middle East. A VPN (or three) is essential there.

    You do this there….and I’d be seeing Dopey and Strawberry everyday…at slop out !

  65. straw44berry

    16 Sep, 2012 - 9:42 pm

    More to the point – How to stop Anders writing 2000 comments as he catches up with this thread. Need to tell him to catch up and make notes before typing.

  66. @James

    More than one shooter. All the authorities said was that one weapon was used, firing 7.65mm in some cases known as of course the much more likely .32 ACP (just to throw water on the “it had to be an antique” bollocks). What got lost in translation was that it was one TYPE of calibre used, not saying how many actual weapons were fired.

  67. Straw…

    “30 seconds of gunfire from the nearby campers”

    I was thinking GPMG style “bursts”. (think that was reported !)

    NOT “30 secs of”. Which I think is correct.

    30 secs tho, is pretty damn fast, give what happened…and from ONE gun.

  68. How long do we wait before filing a missing persons report for Anders?

    Nobody misses him. God thanks he was once again drinking too much and likely fell asleep for the next 24 hours. Perhaps he is ok once he is sober. I hate people who dont collect evidence and theories but accuse everybody unpolitely who doesnt agree with his own conspiracy.

    I skip his posts while i love the posts of those of you who collect and submit evidence and information.

  69. I’ve always believed there was more than one shooter….
    It doesn’t make sense for a hitman to reload when time is of the essence.

  70. Philippe D.

    The Guardian (Kim Willshire) reported
    Didierjean, 41, told Le Parisien newspaper he had been hiking up the Combe d’Ire with two friends when he noticed the British cyclist coming down at speed: “He was in a panic and was coming down the route. He explained to me with difficulty in bad French that there had been a drama a little higher up. He wanted to alert the emergency services.

    I can’t find any report of Le Parisien mentioning Didierjean.

    Was it the Guardian which put this name into the public domain?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/french-alps-shooting-cyclist-girl?newsfeed=true

    Anyone know?

    It is left deliberately vague whether Brett M was cycling or running.

  71. @ james
    You do this there….and I’d be seeing Dopey and Strawberry everyday…at slop out !
    ………………………..
    You’d be bending for the soap in the mens….me and strawbs would probably just be stoned to death

  72. Is anyone going to check out those marks on the bonnet of the car , I swear they are foot marks,maybe they were there before that day if not what made them ?

  73. Haden

    Could be.

    The Luger (non 9mm) had 22mm sockets (or is it 21mm)…and thats odd,
    That’s old.

    You can get loads of 9mm (the norm) but that round (7.65) has to have that socket.

    Oddly (and out on a limb here) I think the French also made an automatic, like the Browning (but MSE) that fired 7.65′s

    My thing is also, Luger’s are very “thin” at the handle. Is that the weapon of choice to shoot so many people ???

    The story stinks to high heaven to be honest. NOTHING makes sense (only possible where the shooting was).

  74. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le_1935_pistol

    That…but it’s 20mm (7.65)

    Just all odd this shooting.

    Not one bit makes sense

  75. As this was in the mountains don’t under estimate the amount of echo’s that can be generated by loud noises. I have watched Thunder Storms in the Swiss Alps, and heard Avalanche bombs going off in the French Alps. Both reverberate round the peaks alot ! So from a distance 3 quick shots could easily sound like 6 or 9

  76. Watcher…

    That could make sense of the shots heard….by someone…somewhere.

    Our man Brett hears nada.

    PD plus his ladies…hears nada.

    Your idea makes sense.

    BUT (going back abit) and the only thing I can ask (as this case is so odd) why hasn’t the media asked about the roofrack ???

  77. So, Phillipe Didier Jean…or could it be Didier Jean Phillipe? I’ve found the latter – he’s at a university in Geneva….not sure he looks old enough though.

  78. @James

    More than one shooter is the only explanation. I found it odd the talk of one weapon (ie one shooter) from the start and thought maybe there was something lost in translation, the Daily Mail article above confirms that suspicion. With regards to weapon I was thinking more along the lines of the Beretta 81 or Kel-Tec P32. Both relatively modern accurate weapons, used primarily for concealment and at close range. Why use a larger and louder 9mm when you know you’re dealing with an unarmed target?

  79. @James

    Also .32 is a readily available ammunition. As far as pistol ammunition goes in Europe.

  80. @James it could fit with the witness at the campsite – 30secs of gunfire etc

    Brett and Phillipe are lying, or weapon(s) suppressed and campsite witness is lying, or Brett and Phillipe are both listening to motivational Bon Jovi as they beast up the hill on their bikes ?

  81. Haden.
    Which one of the three types of gun has the more efficient silencer ?

  82. @Dopey, what’s he studying? Physics? Fluid Dynamics? Metallurgy? Aeronautics?

  83. This Luger is bollocks

    The SKORPION is bollocks

    They keep inventing a new weapon every other day

    We only have their word for it, correct?

    They want any gun

    EXCEPT MOSSAD BERETTAS

    STANDARD ISSUE TO KIDON SHOOTERS

    PLURAL ;)

  84. Hello Anders !
    Having read you for three days I feel we’ve already met .

  85. n the apparent picture of Molliercan anyone identify the chain around his neck, religious?

    How can it take until Oct for the gun results?

  86. @Ricki There’s a very small key and a circular pendant with 2 figures on.
    I don’t recognize either, thought it was a St Christopher at first but don’t recognize it as that sort of pendant

  87. I don’t recognise the two figures Ricki, but the key … ?

  88. Hi Katie, welcome to Legoland!

    BACK TO BASICS(tm)

    All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

    http://www. .guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

    Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

    Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

    What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

    As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

    http://wrmea. org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

    The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

    Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

    An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

    I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

    I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

  89. Guy_Fawkes2010

    16 Sep, 2012 - 10:27 pm

    Even if it was 1 shooter, they’d carry 2 weapons, in case of a jam ?

  90. Guy_Fawkes2010

    16 Sep, 2012 - 10:27 pm

    Also do we know if the girl was shot from the front or from the back ?

  91. Hi Katie, welcome to Legoland!

    BACK TO BASICS(tm)

    Just tried to post original links to nukes

    Twice

    Waiting to be moderated

  92. Even if it was 1 shooter, they’d carry 2 weapons, in case of a jam ?

    =====
    Of course they would.

    Rule 1.

    Always have backup. ;)

  93. Also do we know if the girl was shot from the front or from the back ?

    =====
    According to DP she want shot at all

    Head no head injuries

    Appeared dead

  94. Wasn’t shot at all

    SM dodgy temp funeral is bollockd

    No photos of main players is bollocks

    I’m sticking with the DA notice

    And

    The Tavistock SIS fairytale ;)

  95. SO if we believe DP (or any witness) face down = entry wound on back and larger exit wound on front

  96. @Katie

    Suppressors and how loud a weapon is generally tend to go on the calibre rather than the model of weapon. .32 ACP suppressors are quite hard to come by due to the fact it apparently doesn’t suppress well, although it’s entirely possible to use a 9mm suppressor instead or a custom fit. It’s not a massively loud round anyway.

  97. @ watcher

    http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/jean-philippe-didier/2b/3a/3a5

    But I dont think its him.

  98. Guy_Fawkes2010

    16 Sep, 2012 - 10:43 pm

    Site back again then ?

  99. @Dopey, Could be a bit of a stretch, but a Bio-chemist in the same place would be a cute fit, in light of the other ‘witnesses’.

  100. @GuyF, this site ? No drop outs noticed here, was probably all those trojans calling tehran, moscow, washington etc .. lol

  101. U2 Guy it appears others were OK though looking at the times, butit was down for me for 10 mins+ (posted down time onto David Icke)

  102. Guy_Fawkes2010

    16 Sep, 2012 - 10:49 pm

    Was down from UK IP addresses and other Geos also, agree approx 10 mins

  103. Thanks Haden.
    I live in France, deep in the countryside & can tell you, guns are being fired regularly so there would be nothing unusual in hearing one.

  104. @GuyF, I might not have refreshed this for 10 mins

  105. Guy_Fawkes2010

    16 Sep, 2012 - 10:54 pm

    @Anders Early reports pointed to a shoulder wound from a gunshot ?

  106. Site was down for me too.

    @ watcher
    If, by a long stretch, that IS the guy I’ll be speechless.
    The closest to a “normal” occupation we’ve had so far was Bob the Builder.

  107. @felix

    Facts. All info about Mollier, where he lives, what he looks like kept secret from the French and world press. Period.Ditto photos of Mrs Dentist. Mrs Granny.Not so Mr Al Hilli.

    ####

    I agree with you that it is unusual to find so little about mollier. Conspiracy would be much less if we knew some more facts about him.for me he is a key person.

    It is not surprising that there are no pictures of two shia women. They are not allowed showing their faces on pictures and therefore no pictures do exist. And if there would exist any pictures then their faces would be turqa covered.

  108. @Anders Early reports pointed to a shoulder wound from a gunshot ?

    =====
    Yes

    Also first reports said the old lady in the back seat was dead

    But no gunshot wounds

    70 yrs old

    Mi5 massagers get going

    She is 77

    And had 2 shots on the brain

    All have 2 shots in the brain

    Then the fairytale morphs again that some PAC in the car cannot be identified because their faces are obliterated

    The umpteen different guns being come up with is a red herring

    To distract from the Mossad signature calling card weapon

    I also don’t believe the 25 bullets fairytale

    Many reports stated lots more. Consistent with automatic fire

    Machine gun fire for those not au fait with ballistics

    This fits with the fact about facial recognition problems

    So two shooters

    Main one was clinical Beretta through the drivers side window

    Other shooter is spraying

    Main shooter makes sure all are Mort via brain shots

    Two kids spared on purpose

    RAFman spared on purpose ;)

    BACT TO BASICS(tm) :)

  109. LOL, Anders(jamebond777) is the doing the classic Spook, pretend to be the aggressor, pretend to know more, keeps referring to old stories, brings no facts to the table, tries to aggregate “followers” to become the one. Goes wired, then goes straight, plays the 24/7 game. Does this on all the forums, wonder why. Oxbridge, nah, some new duffer from a poly on box payroll , nah. A wannabee spook, most likely

  110. If, by a long stretch, that IS the guy I’ll be speechless.
    The closest to a “normal” occupation we’ve had so far was Bob the Builder

    =====
    Lol :)

    This is a fairytale psyop. ;)

  111. Even if it was 1 shooter, they’d carry 2 weapons, in case of a jam ?

    =====
    Of course they would.

    Rule 1.

    Always have backup.

    =====
    And if it was me, it would be a revolver, which rarely jams! ;)

  112. Bad smear job Ross, bad telly prog you do to.

    Those following this thread know the score old boy.

    Apologies for SPELLINK etc am in the pin on trusty iPhone :)

  113. Pinn = pub

    Sorry

  114. I find it amusing Anders get’s the same **** whichever forum it’s on when people CAN chose to ignore.
    Sad as I enjoy reading all possibilities into this tragic event

    OK..I am sorry for not adding anything ‘constructive’ to the topic either

  115. @ ross kemp

    Have you taken over the shift from James tonight then?

  116. I like the way the British MSM have suddenly become more pesky on this one having previously looked well ‘taken in’. Now suddenly we have the Mirror reporting SAH’s best mate saying he may have been a Mossad target due to his anti-Israeli rants and the Express questioning whether Mollier really was an innocent victim.

    I wonder whether the French media publishing the Kate pics has had anything to do with this change in attitude. Kind of ‘if they can do that then why should we play dumb on this?’

    Wonder what they will come up with next? French police have played a shocker with the media with conflicting details from witnesses, constant changes to key info (eg weapon) and will have to up their game if the media are now going to try to expose the murkier aspects of all this.

  117. @dopy and Katie

    Think you mentioned about Zainab, who I prefer to call KRYPTONITEgirl(tm)

    Massive psychological trauma

    Shot in the shoulder

    So massive blood loss

    Severe head injuries

    Depressed skull fracture

    Fear her sight would be lost

    Depressed orbital bone

    Retina fear

    Induced coma

    Tavistock shrinks have their mitts on her and Zeena

    The 8 hours missing time fairytale with Zeena

    Head injuries leave lots of blood

    Yet DP saw NADA

    NUFFINK! ;)

    AND NOW ZEENA IS UP AND ABOUT IDENTIFYING

    JUST

    ONE

    BADMAN

    RAFman?

    No blood anywhere on gravel

    No blood spatter in Beemer

    No blood no blood no blood

    Dodgy burials

    No photos

    Keep changing the guns

    This thread takes 3,000 hits

    Spooks out in force here

    Lots of smearing going on

    We have touched a nerve with DA BOYZ

    DA notice in effect

    Advisory

    One or two tiptoe in to break it

    SAH was betrayed in 2003 by mi6

    No wonder he ranted at chat rooms

    I do the same at the injustice of it all

    Nothink wrong with that

    Does not deserve to die for telling the truth

    Plenty more

    Stay tuned :)

  118. Guy_Fawkes2010

    16 Sep, 2012 - 11:56 pm

    @Anders

    What’s this one ?

    “SAH was betrayed in 2003 by mi6″

  119. The Mirror is STILL the only UK paper to carry that story about his chat room rants. I think that’s the Mirror in the norty boys corner for a D notice breach….again probably.

    Anyone know who the reporter was for that story, if one was named?

  120. Hi guyfawkes

    Sorry dopey for SPELLINK

    Pls search the thread ref SAH. Employed by mi6 to persuade Iraq tank commanders to surrender just prior to operation schlock and gore

    Understandably he was a bitter min

    I still am too

    At the actions of Blair and sis USA Israel poodles

    2m marched against the war

    We were shafted

    We are still being shafted as Roma says by a few hundred warmongering pnac zionists within sis and CIA etc

    I cd say tons more but it is chucking out time fans le pub

    I will leave you all this from c n’s latest post on this fine site

    The BBC believes that Kate Middleton’s tits are a more important story than western diplomats in danger of their lives all over the Middle East. Says it all about today’s BBC, really.

    Killing people is not the solution to the World’s problems. Killing diplomats is particularly heinous as they are guests in a country, and are charged with keeping open the lines of peaceful communication between nations. Almost certainly Ambassador Stevens and his staff deplored the making and distribution of hate videos, and absolutely certainly they had nothing to do with it. Nor do the diplomats under seige today in Yemen, Sudan and Egypt.

    Oliver Miles, the extremely sensible former British Ambassador to Libya, while deploring attacks on Embassies and their staff, made the obvious point on Sky News yesterday that America’s unflinching support for an expansionist Israel was the root cause of hostile attitudes to the USA acroos the Middle East. His interview was instantly terminated.

    Miles’ observation is true, as it is true that direct and killing intervention by the US in Libya and Yemen has caused the situations that are now blowing back – often with US supplied or at least encouraged weaponry. But yet again, none of that justifies the racist attacks on westerners. Just as all Muslims were not responsible for Islamic terrorists, so all westerners are not responsible for the far right purveyors of anti-Muslim hatred.

    All decent people must despair at the prospect of yet another cycle of violence. Powerful interests both in the West and in the Middle East are not amongst those decent people.

    Of all the signals the West could send out to try to end the horrors wrought by the promoters of the “Clash of civilisations”, the most powerful would be to arraign Bush and Blair for war crimes. This is not a deluded hope of idealists; it is an essential step if the world is ever to heal.

  121. Dopey !

    “Have you taken over the shift from James tonight then?”

    Ya cheeky git !

    Have not read his comments …as ODDLY (and Anders is gonna love this)…I was “hit”

    Its been really od. And I use three VPN’s (mentioned it on here…and all went dead ! REALLY ODD)

    Want to blame Anders…but cant !

    All other Internet worked. All browsers etc.

    BUT HOW ODD IS THAT !!!!!

    Still “pinging” on back track, to see waht went on.

    But damn strange…and now have to read all other (and Anders) stuff !!!!

    Gimmme two !

  122. @dopey

    Dominic Herbert. ex-NewsoftheWorld. Typical tabloid hack.

  123. Haden

    @James

    Also .32 is a readily available ammunition. As far as pistol ammunition goes in Europe

    T’is…but its the “as the Frnch say” size !

    22mm or 21mm

    that’s what I mean.

    Larger is easier to get I imagine. (25mm)

  124. James why have you got three VPN’s? What on earth do you do with them all?

  125. Published 13 mins ago

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-saad-al-hilli-1327288

    Maybe a u-turn/step back from the chat room rant angle, not mentioned at all ..
    Does state the weapon as a P08 Luger though

  126. Its looking like those pics of Sylvain may well be the right Sylvain.

    Just found this site – half way down the page is an article anout him

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ffYD7sl8e58J:http://www.webulb.org/directory/Metal%2520workers/%2Bsylvain+mollier+metalworker&hl=en-GB&gbv=2&gs_l=heirloom-hp.12…1326.15881.0.17004.22.20.0.2.2.0.312.3183.0j4j9j1.14.0…0.0…1c.1.JFJnehj_xMk&ct=clnk

  127. Dopey…

    Shurrp ! Ha Ha Ha !

    TV. Other is work ..and a back up.

    Mucker, I havent been on “the Island” for a good while…but I like “the tele” !!!! (sometimes) !

  128. @peter, james, fiona ….. etcetera
    your gun talk is boring now …AND James, why all the double spacing? your body language says it all….

  129. From Empee at David Icke

    Andrew Neather ‏@hernehillandy (London Evening Standard)

    Draconian nature of injunctions barring publication of info about al-Hilli kids does suggest authorities assume Alps murders were prof hit

    11:14 AM – 14 Sep 12 · Details

  130. 4 Million !

    Ya mans a contractor…..

    Here we go. (I hate quoting Bipolar) BUT …here we go ! Fairy dust land !

  131. Wally Hope…

    Ya name says it all…end of pal.

  132. @Dopey I don’t see our man Sylvain on that Metalworkers / cached site, which user is it attached to ?

  133. Watcher – the username is “europhil”.

  134. @ james ..oo touchy! end of? which calibre?

  135. @Dopey can’t see it .. but thanks anyway.

    I did find that seem pic on an image search of his name, very low down in the results but a good search term to see all the press photo’s in one place

  136. @Dopey that ‏@hernehillandy tweet was actually 7.14pm BST/GMT+1 maybe a couple of after work Bordeaux’s loosened the fingers

  137. @ watcher its half way down the page (after the arabic type posts). Its too long an article to post here.

  138. Wally.

    The gun is quite important….or rather who tells us what the gun “is”.

    A 7.65 Luger is a “bit” Swiss, don’t you think ?

  139. @ james why do you even assume it WAS a gun? have you seen the bodies? where is your HARD DATA ?

  140. Wally !

    So it wan’t a gun ?

    Are they dead ?

    Are “they” they ?

    Amybe it wasn’t anyone.

    So….Wally, can we agree at least “some people” died that afternoon ?

  141. @ wally

    Well it wasnt a pea shooter!

  142. @Dopey found it finally, ta. Just wading through it.

  143. they must be as dead as Bib Laden, OBVIOUSLY

  144. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 12:57 am

    Does it matter what gun it was ?

  145. Wally…

    Actually you win

    “have you seen the bodies? where is your HARD DATA ?”

    A MASSIVE …No.

    And that’s laughable….as I never saw the USS Maddox either.

    Nor the WMD’s quoted by Master Blair.

    And looking at The Charles De G etc…. I am damn worried about this case. And that’s the truth.

  146. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 12:59 am

    Next question…… Any news of the Al-Hilli’s funerals, have they released any bodies yet apart from our little french friend ?

  147. Seriously guys.

    Wally has made a point (albeit a “rip” one).

    Look at Dr Kelly.

    ….and where will this go ?

    Your,

    Very Worried.

  148. @ james you dont need to gesture so much … it’s not a manuscript

  149. CEZUS, DEDICATED TO ZIRCONIUM, KEY COMPONENT OF THE NUCLEAR FUEL

    CEZUS, a proud member of AREVA, is a key component of the nuclear fuel cycle. Cezus is fully integrated in the manufacturing of Zirconium for complete mastering of the final product and performance.

    [...]

    CEZUS has its own R&D center (“CRC”) located in Ugine, France. This center is dedicated to R&D on Zirconium alloys, focusing on process and metallurgy :. It is the cornerstore of innovation and is known worldwide.

    http://www.areva.com/EN/operations-942/cezus-specializing-in-zirconium.html

  150. “The Guns of August”

    by Barbara W. Tuchman. (about 1914)

  151. Roland Teflon

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:04 am

    Where will this go James?

    What’s worrying you?

    Do tell!

  152. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:04 am

    @Ferret …. a drive-by information dump ?

  153. @Dopey don’t see the link to that bow hunting pic from that Europhil atricle, but interesting to uncover a bit more, although it was translated from french quite poorly, smelled of google translate

  154. Wally…

    “you dont need to gesture so much … it’s not a manuscript”

    Explain please ?

    …and I will make my point…as there have been many valied points made here (differences aside) I suspect we all agree.

    Hence why all are here…and have had “fuelled” debates.

  155. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:10 am

    So Cezus produce/derive all isotopes of Zirconium and also Hafnium from Zirc. Sands based on that web page. Therefore fuel rod cladding and also control rods ?

    What are you trying to say @Ferret ?

  156. @james you and your cronies have really turned this into a mass debate alright

  157. Roland,

    “Where will this go James?

    What’s worrying you?

    Do tell!”

    But I might sound like “Anders” !! (That is a joke).

    Have you ever read that book ? A minor “thing” grows bigger ???

    I read it years ago…and have always kept in in my bookshelf.

  158. Roland Teflon

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:12 am

    ….and come on James, what have you got to be worried about?

    Out with it man!

  159. “@james you and your cronies have really turned this into a mass debate alright”

    IS that bad ??? Or good ?

    Do you mean you turned Xray factory and actually listened ????

  160. Roland Teflon

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:15 am

    So sounding like anders would be a bad thing?

    I’m just a mushroom on here, with my head in the clouds.

    Explain it all to me.

  161. @duckingdafta

    Thanks!

    Alas the folks here are not very used to spooks invading a HOT thread. :)

    3,000 now…

    Desperation time…

    My masterclass will continue. :)

  162. @Guy

    Sorry – context is all.

    I was researching Sylvain’s background, seeing as he is flavour of the month at the moment – at least, the lack of a photo of him.

    I was half hoping (ha ha) to find one on Areva’s website, and was at first interested to see they employ a mere 360 people.

    I posted a good while back that it was extremely unlikely to have to nuclear scientists meeting “by chance”. Response from sceptics was (a) Cezus is a huge local employer and (b) how do you know SAH was a nuke.

    So ppphhhhht to (a). It’s not huge, only a mid-size, so chance of bumping into an employee is small. (Ugine pop is over 40,000, and if say half of these are in employment, then only around 2%, or one in 50, work at Cezus.)

    BUT

    What really jumped out at me was that it’s entirely possible that Sylvain worked at the (presumably top-secret) R&D dept, and was not just your avg Joe on the Zirconium production line.

  163. Sorry – typo – “…to have TWO nuclear scientists…”

  164. ‘conceptual assassination’ 3 days & counting to rake over the minutiae … those with the ‘gun’ have made their point… there will be no arrests, no conclusion … I feel sorry for RAFman.. the stooge.. how will he sleep at nights? is he reading this forum now?

  165. Roland… I am very worried.

    Please read that book. It is very good.

    Do you think (and I am NO conspiracy dude) that things have changed in this world ?

    The excuse for war comes ever closer.There are “once again” ships in the Gulf…awaiting the Israeli “first strike”

    Israel has said “wait for what”

    Is that not a worry here ? Wait for a BIG bit of “he was doing this” or “she was doing that”.
    I saw this on the news when it broke, I was in an FBO in Washington D.C. and I turned to my crew (all European) and said, “This is a worry”

    But I take it you have not got this “worry” ?

    From small things….

  166. Roland Teflon

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:22 am

    The answer to the whole mystery is so unclear.

  167. @ james ships is the gulf? really? its not been on TV ;) where is your HARD DATA?

  168. Roland Teflon

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:25 am

    Sorry that was a typo, I meant nuclear.

  169. rafMAN = GUILT & GRIEF?

  170. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:29 am

    @ferret

    Well Bugger me !!

    If they are producing Hafnium at Cezus it could be used as a nucleus of a Gamma Ray device…. the next wave of nuclear weapons. Bear with me here.

    I might be way off track here but Hafnium is a bi-product of producing pure Zirconium (Good Stuff) makes a nice coating for fuel rods. Whilst Hafnium is the stuff that needs to be purified out of Zirconium to make it useful.

    Hafnium has been used mainly in the past in ‘Control Rods’ (Good Stuff Too!) as it absorbs Neutrons really well. In 1999 it seems that it was discovered that bombarding Hafnium with low levels of x-rays produced the following (Bad Stuff) . ..Courtesy of the New Scientist

    ===============================================================

    In future there may be cheaper ways to create the hafnium isomer – by bombarding ordinary hafnium with high-energy photons, for example. Hill Roberts, chief scientist at SRS, believes that technology to produce gram quantities will exist within five years.

    The price is likely to be high – similar to enriched uranium, which costs thousands of dollars per kilogram – but unlike uranium it can be used in any quantity, as it does not require a critical mass to maintain the nuclear reaction.

    The hafnium explosive could be extremely powerful. One gram of fully charged hafnium isomer could store more energy than 50 kilograms of TNT. Miniature missiles could be made with warheads that are far more powerful than existing conventional weapons, giving massively enhanced firepower to the armed forces using them.

    The effect of a nuclear-isomer explosion would be to release high-energy gamma rays capable of killing any living thing in the immediate area. It would cause little fallout compared to a fission explosion, but any undetonated isomer would be dispersed as small radioactive particles, making it a somewhat “dirty” bomb. This material could cause long-term health problems for anybody who breathed it in.

    ===============================================================

    Possibly a game changer for the terrorist community ?

  171. @Wally Iran are gearing for an exercise, a big exercise, reports of them using drones as part of it as well as many other items at their disposal.

    In response the US fleet is also staging ‘exercises’ in the gulf….. if this kicks off maybe the Alps hit will be the equivalent of WMD’s in 45 mins was for Irag …

  172. @ james ships is the gulf? really? its not been on TV where is your HARD DATA?

    YES…

    As Anders will say. Look back in the thread.
    This is not rubbish man. I think it Strawberry or Dopey or Felix, they picked it up…it’s “on the wires”. The Telegraph.

    Not a big article…but the link is there from last nights “sparing”.

    You probably missed it over todays orange juice and who was dancing on “come celeb dance for cash exposure”…but the link is there.

    You think this is a “family shooting” ???

    You think here there are ppl getting “hot under the collar” for nada ???

    Read it. Please read it.

  173. CINEMASCOPE PANAVISION(tm) Camera zooms in at The Ritz, lights ‘a’ poppin’, Gay Pareee (very gay, very very VERY gay, Anders )!, camera tracks back on a dolly, a pink convertible Rolls Royce is stuck in the gutter in reverse gear, its rear wheels spinning, and the smell of burning rubber pervades the night air of Gay Paree!

    CUT to:

    A silver haired be-suited beanpole slamming the door on Parker’s nose, and strutting up to Le Zinc, a la Basil Fawlty:

    What’s it gonna be tonight, Sir Stallion? [winks]

    [Beanpole looks around, the all is clear...]

    Sssshhh. Been a hard week Peter (for it is he! )…

    [mutual eye contact, smouldering]

    OK! … Must snap out of it!

    Eh?

    Shut up! … Oh … bugger bugger bugger and THRICE bugger!

    Four buggers sir?

    Fuck OFF! Three threes is nine you imbecile!

    Imbe-what sir? Anything to do with the Bastille sir?

    [apoplexy surfaces]

    Sorry sir … ‘Ave you been, ummm–

    Spit it out man!

    –Ummm, well sir, overdoing the ummm, Frankie Howerd again sir, down at Aix en Provence?

    No! La Chevaline sur le Mort, since you ask.

    I see sir. Tiffin?

    Too early…

    I know sir, one of your–

    –Shut it Peter! Gin ‘n Tonic, large, fuck it, make it a treble, easy on the ice, treble place mats. That sort of jazz. Been a hard week at the falls.

    Moriarty sir?

    No – Anders.

    Eh?

    Eh indeed … We’ve had Interpol on him, the Mounties, FBI, GCHQ, NSA, convened daily COBRA meetings, tapped CARNIVORE, ECHELON, and finally checked out all the free OAP bus passes issued in Oxfordshire!

    Get him sir?

    Nada James – oops, I mean Peter..

    [sulking] You’re spending far too much time at Harry’s Bar sir! I hate James! He’s a tramp sir!

    Shut up Peter! My career’s on the line you fool! Anders is too slippery; slipperier than a greased eel at a slippery greased eel KY Jelly convention!

    [Peter looks knowingly at Sir Scurvy]

    Dead end sir?

    No! We’re looking for a convenient Patsy. Anders fits the bill. Oirish. Sympathetic Muzzie leanings, that sort of jazz.

    I see sir.

    [EXTRA large HARD DATA-STYLE(tm) G 'n' T is poured]

    There you go sir.

    [Murders it in one looong gulp]

    Blimey sir!

    Usual jazz, SAS and Increment abseiled in – we told the fuckers! No abseiling, strictly verboten! – but what did they do?

    RAFman sir?

    Fucking-A! Two of them in one swell foop. Landed on the bastard. Mangled SAH’s bycycle! They are ruddy headstrong, the Hereford BOYZ!

    Damage to RAFman sir?

    [smouldering looks]

    Only to his Grecian 2000 … Thank Allah!

    Good result then sir.

    NO! – Anders is still out there, on the prowl, iPhone at the ready, don’t you SEEEE! He could be anywhere, in the woods, in old SAH’s potting shed where he did all the dirty b*omb cooking, he could be ferreting for kebabs under accelerators, mapping NIPPLE EXCITEMENT plots, heat signatures from you tube videos, and we have no fucking idea what he will do NEXT!

    Oh dear sir.

    I’ve recommended to the PM to up the threat level!

    To what sir?

    Anders level.

    ‘Nother drink sir?

    Same again, 4 placemats, usual jazz, but double up!

    Eight buggers sir?

    Nine, you fool!

    Usual sir, Henri Paul’s account?

    Not this time, Anders is on the case! Bung it on Herr Majesty!

    OK sir. Sorted! Gimme a kiss sir!

    Don’t tell James?

    Oooooh get you! What about Anders?

    Don’t worry, I have a cunning plan…….

  174. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:34 am

    @Anders you posted that last night ?

  175. Ships in the Gulf and a rather large dangerous chess game

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-British-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html

    Was also reported briefly on SkyNews earlier today

  176. Watcher…

    “In response the US fleet is also staging ‘exercises’ in the gulf….. if this kicks off maybe the Alps hit will be the equivalent of WMD’s in 45 mins was for Irag

    You need a Dr Kelly. Is this the “Dr Kelly”

    All through here I have questioned and questioned. Read it.

    Do “we here” get so hot and bothered because there was a murder ?
    It is from what happens due to that.

    Here they have been questioned. This (Unlike Kelly) can be actually documented. Warts and all.

    But it is here.

  177. Its been really od. And I use three VPN’s (mentioned it on here…and all went dead ! REALLY ODD)

    =====
    I ***wish*** nice but dim James would desist from inflicting upon us all his ongoing, nay, EPIC, visible panty line problems. :)

    TMI, as dopey says. ;)

  178. sigh.. so we’re on the brink of WW3 ? some use the Olympic Games were then? but it was nice of the Bilderbergers to wait until after… we had a really nice summer didn’t we? Cheeky Danny Boyle slipping in a sEx pIstOl song at opening ceremony , the pretty va cunt! But now back down to business making some new orphans, winding up the muslims, getting the future Queen’s tits out…marvellous!

  179. @GuyFawkes

    Well fuck me!!

    Link in case anyone else is interested…

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4049-gammaray-weapons-could-trigger-next-arms-race.html

  180. Roland Teflon

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:36 am

    anders that’s last nights episode, come on I don’t not pay my tv licence for nothing you know.

    itsn’t there a new one for the viwers?

  181. So where do we go to check the current DefCon status ? :s

  182. Roland

    “The answer to the whole mystery is so unclear”

    Is that not the best way ?

    forget “who they were” (or what they may have done).

    If there is doubt either of them did anything with Iran…then the “I’s” get the first go at kicking.

    And you think the “first boot in” is going to be like it was before ????

    I think (just because it is soo strange) that this killing is damn dangerous.

    Hence my “prove it” quotes and questions.

  183. @rolandrat

    Glad to see you and James et al, Peter etc, are paying attention! :)

    This is just the starter. In a 15 setting GOURMET FEAST! ;)

    Stay tuned! :)

  184. keep up jaMeS

    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JAMES A DULL BOY

  185. “We should remember that less than six years intervened between the first scientific publication characterising the phenomenon of fission and the first use of a nuclear weapon in 1945.”

    Night! sweet dreams

  186. Wally…

    “so we’re on the brink of WW3 ?”

    De Gaulle is sat in the Med… there are french British, US, UAE and Saudi naval fleets in The Gulf…and christ knows what

    There is Syria doing “whatever” (a sat state of Iran)

    And….the Isamic Brotherhood kicking off in the Suez area !!!

    And you say “CMON” !!

    It’s not Iran it’s very much the Neo Con’s in the USA.

    Jesus, I feel like a doom monger…but does ANYONE see that this could be the “spark plug” or is it just me ???

  187. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:50 am

    @ferret @watcher separating the wheat from the chaff

  188. BTW, in case anyone is following this Hafnium thing, and thinks it might be pie in the sky, the New Scientist article was written in 2003, and predicted usable quantities of the Hafnium isomer could be produced “within 5 years”… that is, by 2008.

    Also:

    “André Gsponer, director of the Independent Scientific Research Institute in Geneva, believes that a nation without such [Hafnium isomer] weapons would not be able to fight one that possesses them. As a result, he says, “many countries which will not have access to these weapons will produce nuclear weapons as a deterrent”, leading to a new cycle of proliferation.

    The Department of Defense notes that there are serious technical issues to be overcome and that useful applications [of Hafnium isomer] may be decades away. But its Militarily Critical Technologies List also says: “We should remember that less than six years intervened between the first scientific publication characterising the phenomenon of fission and the first use of a nuclear weapon in 1945.”

    Enough for a murder or four? I should coco!

    I was originally thinking along the lines suggested previously by others on this thread, of Sylvain potentially selling zircalloy technology to Iran for their reactors, or his acting as a double-agent and selling duff technology to them. Either is of course possible. Or neither.

    But this raises the game an order of magnitude.

    A further surmise… could SILEX be connected to this in some way? Or any of the other technologies that SAH was into, supposedly?

  189. @Watcher

    Apologies, our posts must have crossed – didn’t see yours before hitting submit.

  190. Been away from this discussion for a bit – unforgivable i know. So when I left some were saying that a Luger P08 pistol 7.65mm was so rare it would be hard to find and easy to trace. Now we know they are common in Switzerland. Also they have an interchangeable barrel so Luger P08 pistol 9mm (found all over France – probably looted from dead Germans in WW2)could be changed into a 7.65mm. In addition they can use a 32-round detachable drum as well as an 8-round detachable box magazine. Also it was suggested no pro would use such a gun. However in this case the assassin would have known that his targets were unarmed and unlikely to be able to fight back so all he needed was a gun that could kill at close range and would be untraceable. The Luger P08 pistol fits the bill. He knew he was not up against pros so chose his weapon accordingly.

  191. back2basics – ponder the postion of BMW ..it reversed to final position in an arc. what initially startled SAH to do that if he was front in? he obviously wasnt shot at that point but when at end position he was.. so MUST be plural shooters . also SM bike and body at end position, not where SAH was parked to begin with… this is all pointless now but I not read anyone point this out before and YES i have been following both forums… if it WAS discussed then i missed it… this i feel is more interesting than bullets and guns.. just ASSUME its MOSSAD-like ;)

  192. @Ferret yours had alot more meat on the bones.

    All feels like a decidedly real scenario though….will have to pick this up tomorrow

    Nice Work!

  193. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 1:56 am

    @Ferret …..busy looking deeper into Hafnium. I was too busy looking at the Zirc. Isotopes as a possible factor and had ignored the by-product (Hafnium). There may be some mileage in this, who knows ?

  194. @Watcher

    Thanks – and goodnight! Outstanding contribution from GuyF… let’s just hope we’re not adding 2+2 to get 5. Feels right on the money to me.

    I’m going to be up another hour or so…

    In the meantime, answering my own question:

    SILEX Technology

    The SILEX Technology is a unique laser-based process that has the potential to efficiently separate uranium isotopes as well as various elements.

    So presumably can separate other isotopes too?

    http://www.silex.com.au/businesses/silex.aspx

  195. Guy_Fawkes2010

    17 Sep, 2012 - 2:00 am

    and when you look at the skillsets that you’d need to do this, I think we have named them all in this thread

  196. @GuyF Keep up the digging, this feels plausible and actually relates to facts. Good effort

  197. @GuyF

    Good going!!!

    :-)

    It’s a very interesting lead.. let’s see where it takes us…

  198. Might be what SAH was up to in his “shed”…

  199. @Vermillion

    The Luger – yes also could be intentional irony from Mossad – killing an enemy with a weapon built by the old enemy. If you have read old Israeli leaders / generals biographies you know they love a little “joke”. Weren’t some IDF units that went into Lebanon named after concentration or death camps. I know some will say that was to motivate the troops by reminding of past wrongs but I think that went over the soldiers’ heads. Sabra and Shatila was so ironic too I guess.

  200. @Fiona

    Good point – and a Luger would be less obviously Mossad, wouldn’t it, in an attempt to throw people off the scent (except those who recognise the 7.65 “signature”, perhaps, so another “inside joke”).

    I’ve been catching up with the past few days of the thread today and have been meaning to say I really liked your first post. Well written, well thought out, concise, and to the point!

    :-)

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