Crass

by craig on April 10, 2013 11:20 am in Uncategorized

In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.

Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.

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  1. They understand perfectly. They’re just bastards.

  2. You’re forgetting how she saved the whole country from economic collapse. We would have gone back to the stone age and all been living in animal skin tents lamenting the lack of a boadicea to leads and remembering the good ol’ day when folk had electric and shoes. Well, that’s the impression I get when I don’t turn off quick enough when another wall-to-wall tribute starts…

  3. English Knight

    10 Apr, 2013 - 11:42 am

    “There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media”

    Lord Leveson and cabal know all about civil liberties, but even more about the cabala required to stifle them. Esoterically, a critical mass of consciousness is required to break the grip (or spell)of the rupert mordechai devils in the press , led at its apex by the Assange and Bradley Manning kind of souls. The ultimate target of Joe Lieberman in America was to make it a crime to even watch a 911 denial video on YouTube let alone the right to only march on the high street !!

  4. They know all about civil liberties in the mainstream media. It’s just that they prefer uncivil ones.

  5. Protest at funerals is a powerful political tool, used around the world. ‘Taste’ doesn’t come into it, much as our rulers would like us to think it did. A public funeral is a powerful statement which should be countered by those who oppose what it is praising. Indeed, as this one is publicly funded, it should probably be open to the public, and we should all be able to join the cortege, singing and dancing, as we see fit. At the very least, we would seem to be entitled to demand that broadcast coverage is balanced. Equal time should be given to the ceremonies, opinions and spokespeople of the opposition.

    A quiet, private funeral, attended by family and friends in their personal grief, would very likely be left alone.

  6. Following the death of former British Premier Margaret Thatcher, the song “Ding Dong! The witch is dead” from the movie The Wizard of Oz has leaped to the top of the most popular British songs.

  7. And start at 2.30!!! Geez, it’s almost as if it’s been planned so they can meet their mates, have a lovely lunch on the terrace washed down with a decent claret and then go and spout shit for 5 minutes before getting back to the boozer. Tough work down t’pits thee knows?

  8. At the Telegraph, which only a few weeks ago was bleating
    about the effects of Leveson on their ability to express
    free speech, comments are still closed on all of the many
    suck-up articles about thatcher.

  9. As I said earlier when I mentioned the Sky News banner announcing it, ‘they’ are laughing in our faces, again.

  10. May the Iron Lady rust in piss.

    (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

  11. The 1979 Tories bought its ideological opponents with jobs as well as starving or imprisoning activists. Very, very few ideological opponents found themselves able to resist their bribery.

    In the absence of ideological opposition and in the face of imprisonment for criticising Mrs Thatcher’s ideas, most opponents gave up, leading to the creation of an artificial opposition, in the form of the (Tory) New Labour party.
    We only know now 30 years later how much damage Mrs T had done.

    It reminds me of the tactics of the present Salafist Islam, wrong in ideology, violent to all opposition, fed by a neo-Con gravy train, set up by the CIA to force people to embrace a false opposition in the form of the Muslim Brotherhood. We will know in 30 years time how much damage they have done.

    Crass? There are no words to describe the qiyanat/betrayal of those who sell themselves and their ideals for money/power. there are many Arabic words in the Qur’an which describe this sacrifice of Truth for temporary gain. Fasad, Fusuq, Chusr/ wikipedia : Fasad (Arabic: الفساد) is corruption, unlawful warfare, or crimes against law and order in the Muslim community. Fasad is a general concept of social disorder…

  12. It gets worse.

    Currently on Ch 81, a repeat of Whittingdale giving a lecture on Thatcher – ‘1911 Centenary Lecture’ November 2012

    Then on Ch 81 from 14.30 until 23.00 live coverage of the commons ‘debate’/eulogy/
    whatever.

    On BBC 2 from 14.10 until 16.00 ‘Andrew Neil presents live coverage of the parliamentary debate following the death of Baroness Thatcher and is joined in the studio by Ken Livingstone and Edwina Currie.’

    Yuk.

    PS I never knew of Whittingdale’s Rothschild connection.

    From 1982-4, Whittingdale was Head of the political section of the Conservative Research Department. He then served as Special Adviser to three successive Secretaries of State for Trade and Industry, Norman Tebbit, 1984-5; Leon Brittan, 1985-6, and Paul Channon, 1986-7. He worked on international privatisation at NM Rothschild in 1987 and in January 1988, became Political Secretary to the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher. Upon her resignation, Whittingdale received the OBE and he continued as her Political Secretary until his election to Parliament in 1992
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Whittingdale

  13. Correction Whittingdale was speaking in 2011.

    Cannot see any reason here why the series of lectures is labelled 1911 Centenary Lectures apart from the fact that there was a coronation and a census. Note every seventh person was a domestic servant. How lovely. Yet we still have the Downton Abbey and Upstairs Downstairs crap thrust at us.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_in_the_United_Kingdom

  14. Tom Kennedy, I had to laugh. You’ll be giving all the drunks from the wicked witch street-parties ideas.

    She was brought up a Methodist, like George W. Bush, oh, and me. God, how could I have got myself into that company? Anyway, they should not get 12 year-olds to sign a pledge that they would never drink alcohol. It made me feel awful guilty for a short while. I think it was the guilt that made me throw up to begin with. I found you can get used to most alcoholic poisons in the end. I’ll drink to your wit Tom Kennedy.

  15. Sorry, Craig, I can’t take this. I have enjoyed following your blog, but I shan’t in future.

  16. Hi Craig. Re your blog post concerning the desirability of ODIHR overseeing the independence referendum, a corresponder has received this reply;

    “In accordance with ODIHR’s election observation methodology, the deployment of an election observation activity requires an invitation from the respective OSCE participating State. Existing OSCE commitments do not oblige participating States to invite ODIHR to observe at referendum, nor is ODIHR required to respond positively if such an invitation is received.

    Some states have issued such invitations and the Office has observed a small number of referenda in the past. In the case of the upcoming referendum in Great Britain, ODIHR would consider undertaking an observation activity upon invitation by the Government of the United Kingdom. The media environment and the nature of the coverage of the referendum would be among the aspects of the campaign that such an election observation activity would assess.”

  17. resident dissident

    10 Apr, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    She was brought up a Methodist, like George W. Bush, oh, and me. God, how could I have got myself into that company?

    Might I suggest you go and read EP Thompson’s The Making of the English Working Class to understand why this is the case.

  18. resident dissident

    10 Apr, 2013 - 3:24 pm

    I do hope that all those contemplating a protest at Thatcher’s funeral do engage their brains first – anything without dignity will just play into the hands of the Thatcherites – a quiet turning of backs would probably make the point better than anything else.

  19. Will the new archbishop be taking the service next Wednesday?

    How about this for trimming? Running with the hare and hunting with the hounds or whatever the saying is.

    It is really surprising that, in an interview with The Jewish News, Archbishop Welby, who is scheduled to visit Israel in June, now says he should have voted against a General Synod motion that endorsed the Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme in Palestine and Israel (EAPPI), which was passed by the Synod last year (News, 29 June 2012, Synod, 13 July 2012

    http://civilisation3000.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/it-is-hoped-that-the-archbishop-of-canterbury-will-see-the-work-of-eappi-and-meet-palestinians-and-israelis-working-for-a-just-peace/

  20. Ha! LOL

    MP Graham Stringer: Thatcher funeral should be funded by business
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-22093356#

  21. It gets a lot more crass. The funeral is going to have a “Falklands War theme”. Never mind the people who did and didn’t live to die in their sleep in their 80s in the Ritz like she did.

  22. Oops. Never mind the people who died I meant.

  23. Prefer Hazlitt, RD –

    “But Legitimate Governments (flatter them
    as we will) are not another Heathen mythology. They are nei-
    ther so cheap nor so splendid as the Delphin edition of Ovid’a
    Metamorphoses. They are indeed “Gods to punish,” but in
    other respects men of our infirmity. They do not feed on
    ambrosia or drink nectar ; but live on the common fruits of the
    earth, of which they get the largest share, and the best. The
    wine they drink is made of grapes : the blood they shed is that of
    their subjects : the laws they make are not against themselves :
    the taxes they vote, they afterwards devour. They have the same
    wants that we have: and having the option, very naturally help
    themselves first, out of the common stock, without thinking that
    others are to come after them. With the same natural necessi-
    ties, they have a thousand artificial ones besides; and with a
    thousand times the means to gratify them, they are still voracious,
    importunate, unsatisfied. Our State-paupers have their hands
    in every man’s dish, and fare sumptuously every day.
    They live
    in palaces, and loll in coaches. In spite of Mr. Malthus, their
    studs of horses consume the produce of our fields, their dog-ken«
    nels are glutted with the food which would maintain the children
    of the poor. Tbey cost us so much a year in dress and furniture,
    so much in stars and garters, blue ribbons, and grand crosses, —
    so much in dinners, breakfasts, and suppers, and so much in
    suppers, breakfasts, and dinners. These heroes of the Income-
    tax, Worthies of the Civil List, Saints of the Court-calendar
    (compagnons du lys)
    , have their naturals and non-naturals, like
    the rest of the world, but at a dearer rate. They are real bona
    fide personages, and do not live upon air. You will find it easier
    to keep them a week than a month ; and at the end of that time^
    waking from the sweet dream of Legitimacy, you may say with
    Caliban, ‘Why, what a fool was I to take this drunken monster
    for a God !

  24. I’m not saying absolutely definitely that she had wandered off from the Ritz in her nightgown in the middle of the night, staggered round the streets of Piccadilly, wide-eyed, dribbling, piss running down her leg, mumbling “I am the queen .. I AM the queen …” and clambered into the back of a dustbin lorry where she was crushed to death.
    But if she had done, they would hush it up and say she died peacefully in her sleep in her bed in the Ritz.

  25. I remember we had three small children, and because we were self-employed we had no benefits of any kind. Every day the Thatcher government would give you your daily wind-up. Sending money to Saddam, having cups of tea with Milosevic, refusing to intervene in Yugoslavia, Poll Tax, dentist fees, closing mines, importing US advisors.

    This funeral ought to see the biggest demonstration ever of protest at the destruction of representation of the people in the process of government. It ought to be the day when the police are kettled into the public toilets by the protesters and have to wee in their battle-gear like US soldiers in Iraq.

    It ought to be the day when the world’s leaders are kettled into St Pauls Cathedral with the mausoleums of the mafia of the British Empire, while the City of London makes whoopee for the passing of their Guru and the survival of her values through the treachery of the Liberal Democrats.

    If ever there was a fully bought-up member of the ideological opponents to Thatcherism, it is Nick Clegg.

  26. Keith Crosby

    10 Apr, 2013 - 4:29 pm

    Why would anyone object to a tastefull moon as the cortege goes by?

  27. doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2013 - 4:38 pm

    Tom Welsh
    10 Apr, 2013 – 2:15 pm

    “Sorry, Craig, I can’t take this. I have enjoyed following your blog, but I shan’t in future.”

    Why Tom?

    Can you not explain yourself?

  28. Jonangus Mackay

    10 Apr, 2013 - 4:46 pm

    Thatcher fans & apologists loll deaf-blind to the import of Autumn ’08—that Britain’s economy is yet to suffer the full catastrophic effect of her & Mr Tony’s sustained State-sponsored fraud.

  29. ” There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.”

    And virtually no understanding of the very notion of civilization in some branches of the alternative media.

    But you’re right, it is stupid or worse to confound the yobbish, “why should we work,” and “share de welf” mentality with terrorism.

  30. Jonangus Mackay

    10 Apr, 2013 - 4:53 pm

    What Blatcherism looks like on the ground: http://bit.ly/17oGy3N

  31. Canspeccy

    ‘And virtually no understanding of the very notion of civilization in some branches of the alternative media.’

    Are you talking about yourself?

  32. Jonangus Mackay

    10 Apr, 2013 - 5:19 pm

    No 1 test for new BBC boss Hall. ‘Ding, Dong! The Witch is Dead!’ has hit the Top 10. Capital Radio today simply removed the song from its charts despite its No 2 position. Will Hall censor?

  33. I was watching a video about Babar Ahmad on Islam channel at the weekend. The only way that an innocent activist ends up being attacked by police thugs and left to rot in a UK jail is by being betrayed and set up by a fellow Muslim. The UK authorities then process this information into a crime.

    This blog is the proof beyond doubt that nothing that is ever said or done which criticises the status quo ever results in harm coming to the person who is criticising or protesting. Otherwise we would all be festering in hospital or jail. The only real enemies of the UK are the paid-up, bought up representatives of the people, like MPs and the only real enemies of Islam are the paid up inventors of bull amongst the Muslims themselves. The worst participants in all progroms are the members of the victim groups themselves, seeking quick sales… potatoes, tomatoes…. scrap iron…scrap iron ladies…any old iron.

  34. I think this is what the Americans call a reality check isn’t it? A bit like when the taxpayer gets charged millions of pounds for policing the Equadorian Embassy because a man broke a condom that has no human DNA on it.

    Any illusions I had about the Monarch being neutral have been well and truly blown out of the water.

    That’s £8 Million of public money for a highly political ‘state’ funeral.

    Something is definitely rotten in the state of England.

  35. Stephen Morgan

    10 Apr, 2013 - 6:27 pm

    I believe 1911 was the year of the first National Insurance Act, and thus if not the birth then at least the conception of the welfare state. Along with several other reforms. Big year.

    As for the funeral, I think it would be most appropriate to put the corpse on the block, and allow the market to decide its fate. If that means the head being stuck on a pike and the body thrown to the dogs, then so be it. It’s what the market demands. I’d start a collection, but Tory government means I’m £30 a week worse off than last year.

    But it’s Ding! Dong! Silver lining!…

  36. Guano, your alias, a synonym for “shit,” is well chosen.

    But maybe with some thought you could improve your output to something of greater value.

  37. @Resident Dissident

    This is exactly what happened during the State Visit of the Emperor Hirohito to Britain in 1971. Silent crowds lined the streets in London – and ex-Japanese POWs turned their backs.

    Personally I think this is much more telling and humiliating for the Government and her supporters than making a personal statement that can land you in jail. This just plays into the hands of the neo-liberal right.

  38. doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2013 - 8:06 pm

    guano
    10 Apr, 2013 – 5:21 pm

    Did you forget to take your pills today?

  39. A Node, I agree. I’ve often wondered about that phrase “died peacefully” and whether even if it appears so to an outsider. It is probably to ease the suffering of the bereaved. My understanding is a stroke is very painful. If that is so, and it causes paralysis, how would anyone know how much pain she was going through just because she, or any other dying person for that matter, is not thrashing about in the bed. Anyway it’s over for her, but not for us yet. We’ve got to suffer for another week at least.

    “Speaking to the BBC’s Breakfast programme, Hague said: “When it comes to money, the rebate she negotiated for this country from the EU has brought us so far £75bn – which is twice the size of our annual defence budget.”

    This drags my memory back a long way. If I recall correctly the reason we were paying so much more in the first place was because we had shilly-shallied over joining. Because of that other members objected so we went in on unfavourable terms in the first place. All she did was get us more into line with other member countries’ contributions.

  40. doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    Robbie
    10 Apr, 2013 – 5:49 pm

    “Something is definitely rotten in the state of England.”

    Quite so. That is why Scotland wants independence; maybe Wales will be next.

  41. Canspeccy

    You like the misowogy of Thatcher, I believe.

    Doug Scorbie

    Pdmm pdmmm pdmmpdmmmpdmmmpdmmmpdmmmmmmmmpdmmm pdm.
    deedledeedledeedledeedledee-ee-ee-eedleedleedldeee

  42. doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2013 - 8:46 pm

    “Baroness Thatcher’s frugal wishes for her funeral will have saved the taxpayer around £800,000.”

    “On the day of Lady Thatcher’s death, her spokesman, Lord Bell, said she did not want arrangements that would be a “waste of money – somewhat in character you might think”.

    “In keeping with her directions, the former Prime Minister will not lie in state for the public to visit or have a military fly-past. “

    “Arrangements for lying in state have previously cost the public purse more than £825,000, according to the House of Commons library.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9982925/Lady-Thatchers-funeral-wishes-will-save-taxpayer-800000.html

  43. An administrative error at the Foreign Office has apparently been going around ordering embassy staff to wear mourning on The Day: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/10/thatcher-funeral-foreign-office-uturns

  44. doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2013 - 8:53 pm

    Thatcher funeral:

    “FW de Klerk, the last president of apartheid South Africa, who was embraced by Thatcher as a reformer, became the first former head of state to confirm his attendance.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-funeral-security

  45. Would it be tasteful to turn her grave in to a public urinal?

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    10 Apr, 2013 - 8:58 pm

    @ Craig :

    You cunning old sod, you obviously thought you hadn’t stirred up the company enough with your previous post, eh, so you thought you’d have another go. :)

    Anyway, just a couple of poinhts (but you are well aware of them yourself, of course. Drafting is all.

    1/. MPs and Lords CAN claim UP TO £3.750 for return travel (upon submission of tickets);

    2/. “luxury holidays” – some MPs and Lords may well be away on luxurt holidays and many others may not be. Heaven forend, but solme lmight even be in the UK! And even at home!!

    3/ Never mind what the media (all of the media?) are classifying potentail protest as. What is more meaningful and important in practical terms is the attitude and actions of the public authorities, would you not agree?

    4/. “But there is no question { protest at the funeral} is perfectly lawful. Whiff of a straw man argument here- it is not what the media might say which is important. You are right on the substance…as long as the forms that protest might take do are not illegal under sundry provisions of statutory or common law.

    5/. The reactions to your post impell me th…forgive you. :)

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    10 Apr, 2013 - 9:01 pm

    Jesus, typing even worse than usual, you must have got me exercised as well.

  48. doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    guano
    10 Apr, 2013 – 8:22 pm

    “Pdmm pdmmm pdmmpdmmmpdmmmpdmmmpdmmmmmmmmpdmmm pdm.
    deedledeedledeedledeedledee-ee-ee-eedleedleedldeee”

    Is that transliteration from the Koran?

    Is it Welsh perhaps?

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    10 Apr, 2013 - 9:10 pm

    @ Tom Welsh (14h15) :

    “Sorry, Craig, I can’t take this. I have enjoyed following your blog, but I shan’t in future.”

    I sympathise and it is natural that you have no wish to stand beside the cesspit and breathe in the foul odours emanating from it. Or to observe the denizens of the cesspit writhing and slithering around.

    But it is important not to be discouraged, to stay on the blog, and to continue to show up the bad faith,absurdities, half-truths and irrelevancies which are the stock-in-trade of the Eminences. Of course, they are incorrigible and will never learn (their condition is, I’m afraid, pathological) but the normal 99% will draw their own (correct) conclusions.

  50. This must have taken Hague’s and Cameron’s mind off the day’s proceedings. What will be their next move. Stop the ‘aid’ and the military ‘assistance’?

    Syria crisis: Al-Nusra pledges allegiance to al-Qaeda

    Rebels from the al-Nusra Front waving their brigade flag on the top of a Syrian air force helicopter – photo

    The leader of the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist group fighting in Syria, has pledged allegiance to the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani said the group’s behaviour in Syria would not change as a result.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22095099

  51. Who was behind the “administrative error”, Cameron or Haig? Thatcher funeral: Foreign Office U-turns on mourning clothes order: Memo sent out on Tuesday night to diplomatic staff in UK and overseas withdrawn after complaints that it was inappropriate:

    A senior Foreign Office source said the memo was a mistake by an official who had added a paragraph saying that it was a requirement for staff to wear mourning clothes. He also denied that any ministers had seen the memo.

  52. Netanyahu is attending:

    The White House is understood not yet to have finalised its plans with regard to the funeral, while a spokesman for Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, said an official delegation would not be sent. Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, is expected to attend, however.

  53. “A Node, I agree. I’ve often wondered about that phrase “died peacefully” and whether even if it appears so to an outsider.”

    Who wrote that rubbish sentence? Yes, and nobody corrected me either. For once I feel almost as incomprehensible as Habbabkuk, who likes my articles and blog-pieces, especially when I promote them.

  54. The whole hype is there to fool us into thinking Thatcher’s era was great for the UK. The Establishment know very well the huge corruption that underlies it. I’ve heard no mention of the Al-Yamamah arms deal, the arms-to Iraq scandal in which senior British government officials involved in the affair were described as “disgraceful” or anything else.

  55. There is nothing wrong with protesting at a public figure’s funeral, when the funeral has been, essentially, turned into a state funeral. Nothing at all. Don’t let The Heil and the other MSM idiocers fool you into thinking this is somehow ‘shameful’. It isn’t. If you don’t want protests, make the funeral private, dead easy. So were the funeral a small affair with friends and family, I’d certainly think it wrong to protest. But, it’s not.

    Thatcher, we keep being told, ‘saved’ the country. Not from avaricious privateers and banksters she didn’t; she actively encouraged them. And she encouraged every war of Blair’s, making the UK’s name essentially mud throughout the world. Protest away, if that’s your desire, she stood for her principles alright, it’s just that most of them were bad. And if in the act of protesting a funeral, you put a dent in the ideological whitewash of her tenure, good.

    I’ll be protesting at Blair’s you can be sure.

  56. Ex-CNN Reporter: I Received Orders to Manipulate News to Demonize Syria and Iran:

    PRAGUE, (SANA)- Ex-CNN reporter Amber Lyon revealed that during her work for the channel she received orders to send false news and exclude some others which the US administration did not favor with the aim to create a public opinion in favor of launching an aggression on Iran and Syria.

    Lyon was quoted by the Slovak main news website as saying that the mainstream US media outlets intentionally work to create a propaganda against Iran to garner public opinion’s support for a military invasion against it.

    She revealed that the scenario used before launching the war on Iraq is being prepared to be repeated where Iran and Syria are now being subject to constant ‘demonization’.

    The former reporter clarified that the CNN channel manipulates and fabricates news and follows selectiveness when broadcasting news, stressing that the Channel receives money from the U.S. government and other countries’ governments in exchange for news content.

  57. ‘their condition is, I’m afraid, pathological’

    Stealing my script now. ‘Pathological’ That is exactly the word I used to describe the condition of the Resident Interrogator some weeks ago following his barrage of unsavoury and persistent posting about me.

    Incidentally isn’t a reply still due to Craig from the Resident Interrogator on the Thatcher thread?

    Kempe, Habbakuk,
    British heavy industry was failing so it needed to be quickly and completely eliminated, thus ruining most of the country north of Watford. A generation later the British financial services industry failed completely so it needed to be – propped up by the taxpayer with an incredible commitment that puts ordinary taxpayers in debt for generations, thus saving London and the South East because these jobs, unlike industrial jobs, are essential to the country.

    Discuss.

  58. Doug Scorbie

    You will be pleased to know that owing to an improvement in the weather conditions at home I will now abandon wearing my lovely, warm pink Pink Panther fleece when I wake up in the early hours of the morning. I was trying to present PP music in text form for you. Unsuccesfully. Is audio available here?

    The Thatcher years scarred my family’s life because she destroyed many basic principles of social justice. This, in turn, created magnificent opportunities for those whose hearts were bent on other ideas. Her use of the police against ordinary people led to the use of the police against innocent Muslims under Blair. The state could then create a parallel justice system, separate from what people actually did, based on false=flag, false witness and huge numbers of people were then paid to create the false witness and the media hype that went with it.

    It always seems to happen when we attack an evil regime, as Maggie did the Soviet Union, the evil characteristics of that regime get transferred to us. The UK became a spy-state. At the time of the Falklands Mrs T seemed to morph into the personality of an Argentinian dictator. Our present leaders Cameron and Hague display illegal military resolution worthy of Saddam and grinning madness worthy of Gaddafi. Miliband will morph into Assad soon.

  59. Hundreds of police on stand-by as anarchists threaten to hold mass Margaret Thatcher death ‘party’
    – Class War to hold Trafalgar Square demo on Saturday
    – Funeral will see biggest security operation since Olympics
    – ‘Ring of steel’ on three-mile route of procession

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/hundreds-of-police-on-standby-as-anarchists-threaten-to-hold-mass-margaret-thatcher-death-party-8566679.html

    Didn’t they have ‘a ring of steel’ for the Limp Ics? It’s all about metals. The Iron Lady. Israel’s Iron Dome. Some iron fence underground to block tunnel building into Gaza…..

  60. Lysias at 9.39 pm. Amber Lyon is telling us something most of us have worked out long ago, and I thanks her for it. I often wonder how some of the newsreaders can keep their faces straight when they have to read some of the crap on the autocue. She’ll probably never work again in MSM but we need more people like her to ‘spill the beans”. Perhaps even at this late stage NATO invasions of other Middle Eastern and African countries can be averted.

  61. No mention, as yet, of her cementing of the relationship with the US in one of the last acts of the Cold War when it is said (though not in Wikipedia!) that she gave the OK to the US to invade Grenada, a Commonwealth country, without the knowledge of the Queen. I heard the Queen was decidedly not amused (like her ancestor) and carpeted she that used the Royal ‘we’!

    Perhaps you know if this is true or not, Craig.

  62. Richard Walker

    10 Apr, 2013 - 11:57 pm

    Craig, I’m an admirer of yours, but your encouragement of these unpleasant, untrue and fatuous comments about Margaret Thatcher don’t do you any good.

    At the very least, given your brave stand against the use of torture, you should give her credit for one thing: She refused to countenance the use of evidence gathered under torture. (As you know this doctrine was reversed by Blair.)

  63. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 12:07 am

    Madame Pinochet was probably trying to avoid the legal costs of torture connected to the UK. She certainly supported it as a form of rendition.

    “When General Pinochet overthrew Salvador Allende’s democratically elected government in September 1973 the women were student activists aged 20 and 22. Ms Godoy-Navarrete was arrested shortly afterwards. Hundreds had already been killed, but she was comparatively lucky, released after being beaten and given electric shock treatment. Ms De Witt escaped the first wave of arrests.

    But with the creation of the secret police force, Dina, and their specialist torture centres came a new sweep. Ms Godoy-Navarrete was picked up in December 1974 and Ms De Witt a few months later. They ended up in two of the most notorious of the torture houses, Jose Domingo Canas and the Villa Grimaldi. Their families did not know where they were. Ms Godoy- Navarrete’s husband, Roberto, also wanted, was in hiding.

    Prisoners at both centres were subjected to electric shocks, severe beatings, suspensions from ceilings until their wrists tore, and rapes.”

    Ms Godoy-Navarrete recalled: “The torture took place daily. We would be blindfolded, strapped to beds and then it would begin. There were electric shocks administered to all over our bodies, and then there would be a rape.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/victims-of-pinochets-police-prepare-to-reveal-details-of-rape-and-torture-1183793.html

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 12:40 am

    Mary, at 22h25, says about me

    “Stealing my script now. ‘Pathological’ That is exactly the word I used to describe the condition of the Resident Interrogator some weeks ago following his barrage of unsavoury and persistent posting about me.”

    There must be a misunderstanding here.

    Surely the last few words should have read “…following his barrage against the unsavoury and persistent postings from me”?

  65. BrianFujisan

    11 Apr, 2013 - 2:57 am

    Richard Walker…another Troll Joins…. Stroll along Asshole

  66. Arsalan: “Would it be tasteful to turn her grave into a public urinal?”

    The Lady is not for turning – except that is, when we throw her into the Thames.

  67. Hi Richard Walker
    Don’t mind the ‘trollslaying’ its a virtual craze.
    It would be best if you could correct or at least point out some untrue comments, rather than just declaring there are too many in your view.

  68. I see a problem with protesting at people who see themselves as taking part in a patriotic funeral. Shields make a very positive impression on those who for whatever reason happen to find themselves behind them.

    Protests at how uncivil and unsociable this national icon was, over her death, could be her last contribution to class distinction.

    I think if campaigning on the day, any shields should be best left as redundant as possible.

  69. If this is true of Miliband, he is appalling. NuLabour is now Blue Labour.

    Margaret Thatcher debate mixes discord amid the tributes
    As parliament pays respects, revelations emerge that Speaker originally rejected recall of MPs and Foreign Office caused anger by issuing funeral dress code

    ‘Many Labour MPs remain furious that her death is being turned into a near state military funeral when other prime ministers, apart from Winston Churchill, were not afforded such pomp and ceremony. Labour figures that stayed away from parliament included Lord Kinnock, Lord Hattersley and Gordon Brown. It was notable that younger Labour MPs with northern constituencies absented themselves.

    It also emerged that staging a day of tributes before the funeral and requiring an expensive recall of parliament was the idea of the prime minister and involved him in a lengthy wrangle with the Speaker’s Office. John Bercow felt there was no need to recall parliament, and was taken aback by the request. His office thought the tributes could be paid next Monday in line with precedent for previous deaths of party leaders.

    At one point, Cameron had to enlist the support of Miliband to overcome the opposition, and Labour sources said they felt faced with a fait accompli and did not want to risk being seen as failing to show Thatcher due respect. In a measure of the significance of the occasion for Cameron, after speaking in the Commons he went to the bar of the Lords to listen to some of the 5 hours of speeches from a string of senior civil servants and former Conservative cabinet ministers, including Lord Waldegrave, Lord Forsyth and Lord Lamont.’

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/10/margaret-thatcher-debate-discord-tributes

    Agent Cameron was Lamont’s bag carrier of course.

  70. The son Mark is as pathetic as ever. Operation True Blue! Indeed.

    ‘Whitehall officials proposed the presence of Argentine officials at a meeting of the committee which is organising the funeral, code-named Operation True Blue.

    The Telegraph understands that Lady Thatcher’s children, Sir Mark and Carol, believe that such protocol would be “inappropriate”.

    Sir Mark, who returned to Britain from Barbados on Tuesday, will attend a meeting of the Operation True Blue committee tomorrow to represent his mother’s interests.

    The committee, which is meeting on a daily basis, is planning to make the liberation of the Falkland Islands a central part of the ceremonial funeral on Wednesday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9985743/Margaret-Thatchers-funeral-Family-veto-Argentine-officials-at-service.html

  71. O/T The telling of fiction continues, as does the persecution of Bradley Manning.

    WikiLeaks: Bin Laden Raid Member Can Testify

    Prosecutors say the witness, presumably a US Navy Seal, has evidence that Osama bin Laden obtained secrets leaked by Pfc Manning.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1076449/wikileaks-bin-laden-raid-member-can-testify

  72. “No mention, as yet, of her cementing of the relationship with the US in one of the last acts of the Cold War when it is said (though not in Wikipedia!) that she gave the OK to the US to invade Grenada, a Commonwealth country, without the knowledge of the Queen. I heard the Queen was decidedly not amused (like her ancestor) and carpeted she that used the Royal ‘we’!

    Perhaps you know if this is true or not, Craig. ”

    It isn’t. Thatcher opposed the invasion and made this clear to Reagan. He assured her the US wasn’t planning to invade even though the invasion force was already on its way.

  73. Richard Walker

    The solidarity of the bought! Do you not think that the solidarity of the bought ( like you ) is not equally matched by a solidarity of the free?

    Do you actually think these disgusting ideas of Mrs Thatcher’s and her crew ever convinced the people of the UK of their legitimacy? Without the betrayal of the people in the last election by the Liberal Democrats these disgusting ideas would never have reappeared in this country again.

    What this tells us is that if the right wing of the Tory party combines with the other right wing forces in UK politics, including the pushy, right wing forces inside the UK Muslim community, like Baroness Warsi, then Fascism can re-surface again even in Britain. We are going to see 8 million quids worth of it on Wednesday.

  74. English Knight

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:58 am

    “It is really surprising that, in an interview with The Jewish News, Archbishop Welby, who is scheduled to visit Israel in June, now says he should have voted against a General Synod motion that endorsed the Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme in Palestine and Israel (EAPPI), which was passed by the Synod last year (News, 29 June 2012, Synod, 13 July 2012″

    Before and after the leadership vote, you gotta be a step ahead of the goyim. Cryptos, cryptos everywhere and not a drop of kedem to drink in The Anglican Church!!

  75. @Kempe

    Thanks … surprised that Reagan had the guts to take any duplicitous decision by himself but it wasn’t him all by himself, was it? Who knows where rumours come from? As if there weren’t enough reasons to despise her politics and policies without making one up!

  76. My pleasure. I thought at the time that Reagan had seen what the Falklands war had done for Thatcher’s popularity and invaded Grenada with the expectation that it would do the same for him.

  77. Read this, preferably with all the lights on and a crucifix handy –

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Fall-House-Bush-Believers/dp/074328075X

    …to understand the perfect continuity between Reagan’s policies and advisors and Bush 43’s.
    This is also illuminating:

    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0318-14.htm

    Both presidents were the abject tools of a process they didn’t understand.

  78. A quick Google came up with this:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/reagan-grenada/

    Wouldn’t normally be my first website of reference for historical questions but what the heck!

    It does confirm that the administration needed something that they could spin for all that it was worth before the ’84 election.

    Poor little Grenada served their needs.

  79. Devil’s advocate here. From beyond the grave, this.
    http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/109427

  80. @komodo

    Thanks for the links.

    With regard to the link to Thatcher’s memoirs I think I’d take her at her word … I can’t see that she had anything to gain by supporting the invasion; anti-Communist rhetoric and sentiment always went down so much better with an American audience when the bogeymen were on their own doorstep.

  81. The Guardian (Martin Kettle) points out how W.E.Gladstone’s funeral was conducted in 1898: a civil affair at the height of empire. A stark contrast to the bombastic militarism of our own day.

    Perhaps Mrs Thatcher’s funeral is a symbol of our own decline: the weaker we become the more exaggerated our public display of power.

  82. Fascism done properly wirks for the good of people.

    Although some times unholy racist to quote a phrse from a “Great.”

    David Benedictus; It Stops.

    “Tigger,” said Rabbit severely. “what we have to consider here is the Greater Good of the Greater Number. Give me your pebble.

    Fascism achieves and does not be unhumanitarian just reasonable.

    “For the next few days, while the friends and relations dig a ditch running down hill from the well to Eeyore’s Gloomy Place, enough water was collected to run down the ditch and fill Eeyore’s tin trunk to the brim.

  83. Five Reasons For Parading The Corpse:

    1. Message to the Argies, in the absence of credible firepower or international support.
    2. Big tourist puller, in the absence of any local enthusiasm for spending money you haven’t got on stuff you don’t need in Oxford Street.
    3. Polish the monetarist turd by associating it with a less dismal arsehole than Cameron’s.
    4. Distract the public from at least the next four major governmental disasters. Five, if you include “Iain Duncan” (George) Smith.
    5. Opportunity to refine police tactics for dealing with public expressions of displeasure with the government, which are inevitable as we* slide into bankruptcy.

    * very broadly speaking

    And I would still like to know why any civilian is supposed to merit military honours.

  84. Ever been had?

    I suppose Thatcher knew absolutely nothing at all about the use of the airport in Barbados by the US for refuelling and onward flights to Grenada!

    ‘But one of the retired airport manager’s most enduring memories is his sleepless night of October 24, 1983, the eve of the Grenada intervention by United States forces.

    “Adams called me at home and told me he wanted me to go to the airport and take complete charge of the operations; it must be kept completely confidential . . . He said he could not give details, but it could be between five and eight thousand military personnel passing through the airport in the morning”.

    Sworn to secrecy, he was forced to remain tight-lipped, even when concerned air traffic controllers were asking what was going on when a mysterious plane popped up on their radar. It was the monitoring aircraft in advance of the Grenada intervention operation.

    “Suddenly all hell broke loose and aircraft started calling ‘Air Force this, Air Force that’ all descending on Grantley Adams International Airport, the staging point for the Grenada operation. It was just before daybreak on the morning of October 25, 1983, when the world heard a frantic voice on the Grenada airwaves announcing “United States Forces are invading Grenada”.

    The whole experience remains deeply etched in Callender’s memory. It tested his ability and afforded the opportunity to rub shoulders with some of the best known names in the United States armed forces like Brigadier General Robert Patterson. Some time later, when he was introduced to United States General Norman Schwartzkopf, deputy commander of United States Forces in the Grenada intervention, Callender was surprised when Schwartzkopf congratulated him on his “outstanding role” in Grantley Adams International Airport’s management of the Grenada operation.
    http://www.nationnews.com/index.php/articles/view/ex-airport-boss-recalls-cubana-crash/

    The name of Stormin Norman yet surfaces again.

    ‘At 12:30 am Tuesday October 25, on the morning of the invasion, Thatcher sent a message to Reagan: “This action will be seen as intervention by a Western country in the internal affairs of a small independent nation, however unattractive its regime. I ask you to consider this in the context of our wider East/West relations and of the fact that we will be having in the next few days to present to our Parliament and people the siting of Cruise missiles in this country. I must ask you to think most carefully about these points. I cannot conceal that I am deeply disturbed by your latest communication. You asked for my advice. I have set it out and hope that even at this late stage you will take it into account before events are irrevocable.”[29][30] (The full text remains classified.)’

    Of course the text remains classified.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada

    Reminder: Governments and politicians NEVER lie. :)

  85. lysias
    10 Apr, 2013 – 9:39 pm

    Yes Lysias and the same is true of our “free press” in the UK especially the BBC

  86. The show next Wednesday has all the makings of a North Korean military parade. (I almost called it a funeral).

  87. Mary
    10 Apr, 2013 – 10:40 pm

    “Funeral will see biggest security operation since Olympics”
    ‘Ring of steel’ on three-mile route of procession”

    I wonder if they will have surface-to-air missile sites installed?

  88. £10,000,000 for the funeral? Surely value for money in these straitened times!
    Meantime up here in Scotland, multi millionaire Ian Taylor, who has donated £500,000 to the No campaign on Scottish independence, has taken legal action against a pro indy blog http://nationalcollective.com/category/media-watch/ for pointing out that Vitol, the company of which he is CEO, has been involved in some dodgy deals involving large amounts of lolly.
    The blog has been closed down as a result. Democracy- UK style.

  89. Richard Wanker
    10 Apr, 2013 – 11:57 pm

    “Craig, I’m an admirer of yours, but your encouragement of these unpleasant, untrue and fatuous comments about Margaret Thatcher don’t do you any good.”

    Please detail the untrue and fatuous comments you refer to.

  90. Just like the undead, nobody can keep this child of Thatcher’s down.

    Labour must search for answers and not merely aspire to be a repository for people’s anger

    The centre has not shifted to the left, says Tony Blair. Labour must resist the easy option of tying itself to those forces whose anti-Tory shouts are loudest.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/labour-must-search-answers-and-not-merely-aspire-be-repository-peoples-anger

    1.400 more of his ‘words’.

    A nice song for him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXFK82TGh7c
    Don’t drink the water – Justin Cross.

    I know of sin by the things momma prayed
    I know of heaven by the line at its gate
    I know of truth and America’s way
    Come drink the water if you want to be saved

    Don’t drink the water if it’s not from my stream
    It’s all still water if it’s not flowing free
    Don’t drink the water at the watering hole
    If you ain’t got money, it can’t save your soul

    (Chorus)
    All God’s people said amen

    It’s not a sin if it can’t make me cry
    He’s not the devil unless there’s fire in his eyes
    It ain’t the ghost if it don’t speak in tongue
    It’s not a victory ’till the battles been won

    Nobody prays unless they lose a son
    Don’t believe in God till a war’s to be won
    I know of truth by the lies I’ve been told
    The biggest one is that we’re not getting old

    I know of sin by the things momma prayed
    I know of heaven by the line at it’s gate
    Heard of a kingdom that’s not far away
    Come drink the water if you want to be saved

  91. David McCann. Do you have a link please to the original pro indy blog piece?

  92. If anyone wants to know more about the Ian Taylor legal shutdown of here are some links posted by:

    Alasdair Martin. “I see some people are debating the National Collective issue. Here are some links from the article in question, all are from well known mainstream news organisations and all refer either to Ian Taylor or Vitol, the company of which he is CEO.

    Remember, I’m not alleging anything, just sharing some links to mainstream news websites.

    OIL CHIEF PAID $1MILLION TO WARLORD
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/01/balkans.warcrimes2
    “The other senior politician being dragged into the action is the Tory, Alan Duncan, whom Moussavi intends to call as a witness. Duncan, former Tory vice-chairman and a supporter of Michael Portillo, was a paid consultant to Vitol in the early 1990s. He worked with Vitol’s president, Ian Taylor, at Shell and remains a close friend. ”

    SWISS FIRM PLEADS GUILTY IN UN OIL/FOOD CASE
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/11/20/un-food-vitol-idUKN2058211120071120
    “Vitol, which had $114 billion of revenue in 2006, will pay restitution of $13 million to Iraq and $4.5 million to cover the cost of prosecution, Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau said in a statement.

    Vitol is one of the world’s largest independent physical oil trading companies. It admitted to paying $13 million in kickbacks to Iraqi officials under Saddam Hussein to win oil supply contracts, and the plea ended the New York investigation.”

    OIL TRADER VITOL IN TALKS OVER TAX-AVOIDANCE BILL
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9771537/Oil-trader-Vitol-in-talks-over-tax-avoidance-bill.html
    ” The Geneva-based company, which has offices in London, is thought to have operated an ‘employee benefit trust’ (EBT) for more than a decade.

    Such schemes, which were used by more than 2,000 companies, allowed employees to avoid paying income tax and companies to avoid national insurance contributions. ”

    ACCESSING DAVID CAMERON VIA DONATIONS CONTROVERSY OF 2011
    “Ian Taylor and wife: Ian Taylor is the president and chief executive of the world’s largest oil trader Vitol. He has been involved in the oil business for more than 30 years. Mr Taylor has donated £555,100 to the party since June 2006.” – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17512814

    see also the guardian for general details of the controversy – http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/sep/30/david-cameron-conservative-donors

    GOVERNMENT ADMITS ALAN DUNCAN’S LINKS TO COMPANY IN ‘LIBYAN OIL CELL’ [see article for links to Taylor and Vitol]
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/01/libya-alan-duncan-links-oil-cell
    “It is said to have played a discreet but crucial role in the campaign in Libya by helping to enforce the sanctions regime to prevent Gaddafi importing and exporting oil while allowing oil to reach the rebels in the east. That oil came via one company, Vitol.

    Duncan, a former oil trader and multi-millionaire, has had a 30-year friendship with the managing director of Vitol, Ian Taylor, at one point operating as a consultant to the company and as a non-executive director to a subsidiary firm. Taylor has also been a Tory donor, declared on Duncan’s parliamentary register of interests.”

    PM COMES CLEAN OVER DINNER DATES: CAMERON FORCED TO DISCLOSE £25MILLION DONORS HE WINED AND DINED
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120793/David-Cameron-forced-disclose-23million-donors-wined-dined.html
    “Mr Taylor, 55, is the president and group chief executive of the Swiss multinational Vitol, the third biggest oil trading company in the world with revenues of £186billion last year. He personally donated £466,000 to the Tories under David Cameron.

    Mr Taylor is a close friend of Alan Duncan, who in opposition received tens of thousands of pounds from Mr Taylor via donations to the Tories.

    Mr Duncan had further links with Vitol by serving as a non-executive director of Arawak Energy, an off-shoot of Vitol, before he was a minister.

    Mr Taylor, from a Scottish family, went to the private King’s School, Macclesfield, and studied politics, philosophy and economics at Oxford. After a stint at Shell, which he joined after graduating, he joined Vitol in 1985.

    Vitol is no stranger to controversy. Last year after it was revealed that the company was supplying oil to the rebels in Libya ‘largely without upfront payments’ in the hope of gaining oil deals later.

    In 2007, the firm pleaded guilty to paying money in violation of the UN’s oil for food programme into accounts it knew were controlled by the Iraqi Government’s State Oil Marketing Organisation during Saddam Hussein’s presidency. It paid US$13m to the Iraqi people by way of restitution and US$4.5m to the New York District Attorney in lieu of fines. The firm is also reported to have paid $1million to the notorious Serbian war criminal Arkan to act as a fixer on a business deal in the 1990s.”

    TORY MINISTER ALAN DUNCAN ACCUSED OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AFTER OIL BOSS PAL COMPLETED A $1BILLION DEAL WITH LIBYAN REBELS
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-minister-alan-duncan-accused-151128
    “The International Development minister has privately boasted that the ‘Duncan plan’ helped to topple Gaddafi.

    But he faces criticism over his links to Vitol and Mr Taylor who has given at least £200,000 to the Conservatives, some of which was used to pay for Mr Duncan’s secretary in 2008. The top Tory has also served as a non-executive director of Arawak Energy, an off-shoot of Vitol before he was a minister.”

    EXCLUSIVE VITOL TRADES IRANIAN FUEL OIL, SKIRTING SANCTIONS
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/26/uk-iran-oil-sanctions-vitol-idUKBRE88P06920120926
    “Privately-held Vitol SA is led by its long-time CEO Ian Taylor, a Briton. Taylor was among leading donors to Britain’s ruling Conservative Party named in March by the Prime Minister’s office as having dined with David Cameron at his private apartment in Downing Street amid the fall-out from a “cash for access” party funding scandal. Britain is a vociferous critic of Tehran’s nuclear programme and a leading advocate of the EU sanctions.”

    VITOL FACES QUESTIONS ON TRADE WITH IRAN
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9569231/Vitol-faces-questions-on-trade-with-Iran.html
    “The company, run by Ian Taylor, admitted it had allowed its Bahraini subsidiary to buy a cargo of fuel oil of Iranian origin in July – after the EU had imposed sanctions on Iranian oil trades. “”

  93. Nice piece from Ruth Michaelson. Short and to the point.

    The Hangover Takes Hold
    Thatcher’s Legacy and British Identity
    by RUTH MICHAELSON

    The news of Margaret Thatcher’s death earlier this week was hardly a shock; given her age as well as the ability of social media to conduct miniature dress rehearsals of the event almost once a year since the creation of Twitter. As journalists, economists and politicians queue up to eulogise the Iron Lady, no one doubts her impact, especially as her ideology is still very much alive and kicking in Britain today.

    Her death brought a certain catharsis for those on the Left, despite her frail physical and mental state meaning that she was unlikely to be making any public speeches or privatising anything from her bedside in London’s Ritz hotel. This outpouring of relief seemed strange at first, not withstanding that Britain’s current Conservative government is making sure that they pick up where Thatcher left off by ensuring that the poorest in society pick up the slack left by the richest. If anything, her death was a reminder that there is little to celebrate, given both the axe-wielding power of the Conservatives and the total lack of any coherent or believable opposition.

    The success, if you can truly call it that, of Thatcherite ideology was to reach beyond politics, especially given its ability to infect the Labour Party at its core, and to change the mentality of British citizens. As Russell Brand writes in the Guardian on the 10th April, “what is more troubling is my inability to ascertain where my own selfishness ends and her neo-liberal inculcation begins…If you behave like there’s no such thing as society, in the end there isn’t.”

    Thatcher re-defined what Britain stood for- self-serving and bullishly aggressive, both inside and out. We are still trying to decide if this is really us: are we people who marched in numbers against the invasion of Iraq in 2003 (something that might never have happened without the US-UK relations forged by Thatcher) or are we the nation who grudgingly accepted the financial and moral consequences of the war as they cosied up to George W.Bush’s foreign policy?

    Are we a nation who rejects the current government’s besieging of public services, or are we the people who turn their heads to focus on the concocted issues of immigration in the hope that will somehow keep the UK afloat? Most importantly: are we a country that sees value in the existence of community or are we people who will allow the riots that happened across England in 2011 to become a sadly inevitable occurrence?

    Nothing showed the divisions in British identity better than the media gulf between the BBC’s coverage immediately following Thatcher’s death and the outpouring that happened via social media. Despite the BBC’s recent promises to increase its coverage from the North of England, the cameras bounced between interviews with elderly former constituents in Finchley, North London and the London studio, ensuring that criticism of the effects of Thatcher’s policy was extremely limited. Meanwhile, across Twitter and Facebook, residents from the towns and communities that Thatcherite policy decimated, posted pictures and videos of pubs full of revellers, singing songs to express the outpouring of relief. In effect, what the residents of the UK were doing on Monday evening was competing to grasp this moment as their own- seeing who could claim the moral high ground, and in the process questioning their own identities.

    As the hangovers took hold and plans for a funeral, whose cost to the UK taxpayer is still unknown (some estimates have put it as high as £8-10 million), are unveiled, it is clear that this moment presents an opportunity. Thatcher’s death provides a moment for the residents of the United Kingdom to indulge in their favourite pastime, that being nostalgia with just a hint of self-analysis, and to truly decide if we want to allow her to define us. The pushback against David Cameron’s repulsive “Big Society” idea provides some hope, but the fight goes beyond a need to protest. This is, in its purest sense, a battle for hearts and minds- a fight that decides whether Thatcher’s “no such thing as society” adage is the prism by which we can choose to see society. In the process perhaps there even a chance to finally answer the question that Thatcherite ideology has caused us to ask ourselves while plagued with doubt: is there such a thing as British identity?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/11/thatchers-legacy-and-british-identity/

    Her Twitter page makes a good read too.

    Ruth Michaelson ‏@_Ms_R 1h
    Nothing like a good laugh RT@guardiannews Tony Blair warns Labour could be reduced to a protest party as cuts bite http://gu.com/p/3f3ky/tf

  94. Should have read: “If anyone wants to know more about the Ian Taylor legal shutdown of the National Collective’s Media Watch . . .”

  95. @Mary

    Didn’t know that the rest of the communique remained classified … isn’t it supposed to be thirty years before it is declassified? October 2013? Suppose not. They’ll find some pretext to keep it quiet a bit longer.

    Having said that I still don’t see what she hoped to gain from it.

    Politicians work in mysterious ways …

  96. The link is in my earlier post http://nationalcollective.com/category/media-watch/, but the site is down pending legal action. However there may be a cached version somewhere.

  97. @Mary

    Re the Ruth Michaelson piece … she got one thing very wrong.

    She kept using the word ‘British’when she meant ‘English’ (and South at that!)

  98. A little more on Ian Taylor.
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/better-together-defend-500k-vitol-boss-donation-1-2887227

    The word VITOL brings a shudder. Because it reminds me of VIROL, a spoonful of which we were dosed daily after the war. It was some sort of malt extract + vitamins. Sticky brown stuff and horrible.

    Wonder what Thatcher’s war experience was like? She would have been 14 when it started. I hope Grocer Roberts did not operate any black market tricks! The very idea! Where we lived on the South Coast, the known rich were observed leaving the butcher’s and fishmonger’s with largish packages under their arms. The rest had to have the coupons cut out from the ration books.

  99. “£10,000,000 for the funeral? Surely value for money in these straitened times! ”

    I’m sure the uniformed thugs – sorry, brave boys in blue of the Met will be grateful for the overtime. According to the ‘Eye subsidising parliament’s bars and restaurants costs the taxpayer £5.8 million every year so I suppose £10 million looks like a reasonable figure to them.

  100. There are plenty links to what Vitol have been involved in. Read about it here http://wingsoverscotland.com/on-national-collective/
    This site also got a lawyers letter- see same blog link ‘Closing down the debate’
    If you read some of the comments you will get plenty more. It’s a really hot story, with a lot more to come.

  101. Mary
    11 Apr, 2013 – 5:37 am

    “The committee, which is meeting on a daily basis, is planning to make the liberation of the Falkland Islands a central part of the ceremonial funeral on Wednesday.”

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel:

    Samuel Johnson

  102. From a mirror site, re. Vitol.
    I accept no responsibility for the truth or otherwise of this, obviously. But it seems to be verifiable, and a matter of public interest.

    Dirty Money: The Tory Millionaire Bankrolling Better Together
    .
    Posted by Michael Gray on April 7, 2013 in Broken Britain, Magazine
    .
    Today ‘Better Together’ disclosed £1.1 million of donations to its campaign. Almost half of that sum came from one man: Ian Taylor, a long-term Conservative Party donor and Chief Executive of oil-traders Vitol plc.
    .
    Today’s Sunday Herald described Taylor as “a Scots oil trader with a major stake in the Harris Tweed industry”. They also gave Taylor’s views – who is reportedly worth £155 million – print space to justify his funding decision.
    .
    This raises several concerns. Taylor, according to The Sunday Herald, is not registered to vote in Scotland. This breaks Electoral Commission guidelines for general elections, which Yes Scotland has promised to follow. Secondly, Ian Taylor has given £550,000 to the Conservative Party since 2006. This is a further case of Tory donors – and their political interests – bankrolling the ‘no’ campaign.

    These general complaints, however, are minor in comparison to more serious incidents – unmentioned in the media today – linked to Ian Taylor’s business background.

    While Chief Executive of Vitol plc, his company has been involved in shady-deals in Serbia, Iraq, Libya and Iran. Furthermore, Vitol avoided tax to the tune of millions of pounds through an offshore trading scheme. Douglas Alexander, Labour’s Shadow Foreign Secretary, described Vitol’s relationship with Westminster as “curious”, and said there were questions to answer.

    As Chief Executive of Vitol since 1995, Ian Taylor has serious questions to answer in all of these cases. Better Together have serious questions to answer as to what they knew about Ian Taylor before they accepted half-a-million pounds from him. Alistair Darling – who recently met with Taylor prior to the funding deal – must also confirm what his position is on the following cases.

    1) Vitol Admitted Paying $1 million to a Serbian Paramilitary Leader

    In 1996 Vitol paid $1 million to the Serbian paramilitary leader Arkan to settle a score over a secret oil deal to supply Slobodan Milosevic’s Serbia with fuel. Ian Taylor’s director, Bob Finch, used Arkan as a ‘fixer’ after the oil deal in the former Yugoslavia collapsed. Arkan was assassinated in 2000.

    Arkan was indicted by the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague for crimes against humanity. According to The Obverver – which names Ian Taylor in its investigation into Arkan – “his brutality was well documented” when the meeting with Vitol’s representative took place. Arkan’s paramilitaries – ‘the tigers’ – were notorious for massacring 250 patients and staff in a hospital.

    Ian Taylor was Chief Executive of Vitol when Bob Finch, as Vitol Director, went to Belgrade. Arkan was then indicted with 24 crimes against humanity.

    What did Ian Taylor know about his company’s dealing in Serbia and their payment to Arkan? What is the position of Better Together in relation to this?

    2) Vitol plc: Guilty of Bribing Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi Regime For Oil Contracts

    While Ian Taylor was Chief Executive, Vitol paid $13 million in kickbacks to Iraqi officials under Saddam Hussein to win oil supply contracts. The company pled guilty in a U.S. court to grand larceny in November 2007 and paid $17.5 million in restitution as a result. This undercut the UN oil-for-food program – 1996-2003 – that sought to trade Iraqi energy resources for humanitarian supplies.

    Was Ian Taylor aware of his company’s actions at the time? To what extent did his company profit from these deals in Iraq and to what extent did he profit personally from the company’s success? Is Better Together content to accept Mr Taylor as a major funder in these circumstances?

    3) Ian Taylor’s Company Avoided Tax ‘for more than a decade’

    Vitol plc employed the controversial tax avoidance scheme known as ‘Employee Benefit Trusts’. (EBTs) Such schemes allowed employees to avoid paying income tax and companies to avoid national insurance contributions. Vitol used the scheme ‘for more than a decade’.

    Tax evasion and avoidance costs the UK Exchequer tens of billions of pounds a year. EBTs were banned in 2011. Vitol then entered negotiations with HMRC over claims that it still owed millions of pounds in unpaid taxes.

    What did Ian Taylor know about the company’s tax avoidance scheme? Even if it met legal requirements, does he consider tax avoidance to be morally just? Is Better Together aware of these claims against the company of its major donor?

    4) Ian Taylor has been accused of improper political donations to the Conservative Party.

    According to today’s Sunday Herald, Ian Taylor has donated £550,000 to the Conservative Party since 2006. He was one of the 70 millionaires who paid the £50,000 privilege to join David Cameron’s Leaders Group. Leaders Group membership led, in many cases, to a private dinner with the Prime Minister, which Taylor attended in Downing Street on November 2nd 2011. This was part of the “cash for access scandal”.

    Taylor’s political donations have also been criticised by Shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander. In 2011 questions were raised concerning Taylor’s relationship with Alan Duncan, the International Development Minister. Taylor and Duncan had worked together at Shell. Duncan lobbied for an ‘oil cell’ within the Foreign Office to control fuel supplies within Libya. For this the government received substantial support through Vitol plc. Civil service official were concerned that the behaviour was “encroaching too far on commercial purposes”. According to The Daily Mail, Ian Taylor “profited from the war in Libya” and his company received a $1 billion contract to supply oil to the Libyan rebels. This was described at the time as a “huge conflict of interest”.

    Douglas Alexander, Labour’s Shadow Foreign Secretary said, “Given Alan Duncan’s reported links with Vitol this curious briefing from within government actually raises more questions than it answers,”

    Did Ian Taylor gain influence within government for his £550,000? Why was Douglas Alexander concerned about Vitol’s relationship with the UK Government? Is Mr Alexander happy for Better Together to be receiving financial support from the same source?

    5) Iran and current business practices

    Vitol recently conceded, in September 2012, that it had broken sanctions on trading Iranian oil. According to Reuters, the company purchased 2 million barrels of fuel oil. This undercut Western efforts to isolate the Iranian regime, and brought further attention to Mr Taylor’s close relationship with the UK government.

    Is Vitol an ethical company and should Better Together accept support and funding from this source?

    Better Together have serious questions to answer

    This information raises serious questions – both for Ian Taylor and the ‘Better Together’ campaign.
    There cannot be a fair referendum if money is solicited from outwith Scotland or from rich Tory donors who do not vote in Scotland.
    There cannot be an open referendum if funding comes from unethical sources. Our politics is once again tarnish by ‘dirty money’ and vested corporate interests.
    This information also raises serious questions for the Scottish and UK media, who have not raised any of these question in relation to today’s donation announcement.
    There cannot be a fair or open referendum if the Scottish people are left in the dark. We need to have the facts. We need to know the truth.

    I hope this makes the case for funding alternative media in Scotland even clearer on our path to building a more equal, prosperous and peaceful Scotland.

    Michael Gray
    @GrayInGlasgow
    National Collective

  103. “Wonder what Thatcher’s war experience was like?”

    An interesting question. She went to university in 1943 although from age 18 she could’ve volunteered for the ATS or the WLA, by that time 90% of single women aged 18 to 60 were involved in some sort of war work. It’s possible she was involved with some kind of civil defence work when not at lectures but I can find no mention of it. The war ended before she turned 20 when she’d have been conscripted.

  104. “During her premiership Thatcher had the second-lowest average approval rating, at 40 percent, of any post-war Prime Minister. Polls consistently showed that she was less popular than her party.” (Wikipedia)

    Only the Patent Queen Victoria Funeral(tm) will do, then.

  105. “The Metropolitan Police has asked groups planning to demonstrate during or in advance of Margaret Thatcher’s funeral to make themselves known to officers so that their “right to protest can be upheld”.

    LOL

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/police-ask-margaret-thatcher-protesters-to-identify-themselves-8567948.html

  106. I like the bit where the Met is asking demonstrators for advance notice. I’m sure they will have squads of rioters standing by to create mischief, then the laws will be tightened that little bit further.
    She may be dead, but she can still be used to srew us down.

  107. “…their “right to protest can be upheld”….

    …in some secluded corner away from the cameras, no doubt.

  108. What Did You Do In The War, Daddy?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/thatchers-dad-mayor-preacher-groper-1257249.html

    Missed a trick there, Mary.

  109. Fantastic tribute to lady T – I especially like the speaker enforcing her right to say this at the end against a typically rotund torag who complained

    Glenda Jackson launches tirade against Thatcher in tribute debate
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtClJYJBj8&feature=youtu.be

  110. One of her best performances…and I don’t think she’s acting, either. Great lady.

  111. re ROB ROYSTON at 12.55pm

    It has crossed my mind the way these things do whether in the vicinity (but only sort of) of the evening BRIXTON MAGGIE THATCHERS DEAD PARTY a day or 3 ago the shop front window of DR BARNARDO’S (second hand) STORE got busted – was it a party goer or an agent wanting to get bad media attention or some such. Its certainly been picked up by relatively pro Thatcher anti party media outlets. Anyway maybe more info will materialise.

  112. Just got in. Initially Komodo your Independent link at 1.17 made me laugh.

    Thatcher’s dad: mayor, preacher, groper
    Alderman Roberts of Grantham liked to squeeze more than his sausages, reports Keith Nuthall

    but reading on, I felt quite sick.

    Good find btw.

    The list of invitees includes Shillary, Jeremy Clarkson and de Klerk. Enough said. I don’t suppose Bush will appear. Too much of a security risk combined with Mr and Mrs T B.Liar

    Margaret Thatcher funeral guest list full of surprises
    – Michael Heseltine, man who toppled Thatcher from power, will attend funeral
    – Bill and Hilary Clinton, and George Bush Snr and George W Bush all invited
    – Sir Terry Wogan will also be a guest
    – Jeffrey Archer and wife Lady Archer will also go
    – Gorbachev unable to go because of health problems
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/margaret-thatcher-funeral-guest-list-full-of-surprises-8567999.html

    The very name Operation True Blue sticks in the craw. Designed to goad us I reckon.

  113. Likes are outnumbering dislikes by twenty to one on that Glenda Jackson speech linked above. 300,000 views already in less than a day! No reflection of the 20:1 ratio of approvals of Jackson to criticism in broadcast and print media of course.

    Definitely worth watching at http://youtu.be/XDtClJYJBj8 “Glenda Jackson launches tirade against Thatcher in tribute debate”

  114. I have always believed that you leave people alone when it comes to a funeral. But Thatcher isn’t just anybody – her hands were soaked in blood, and, having said that there was no such thing as society, society is now paying for her disgusting funeral. Hence, I’m not bothered if someone blows the casket containing her worthless corpse sky-high – would be a fitting end to her life, given how those in power have deified this grotesque creature.

    Scum politician: “Look, there, up in the celestial heavens!”
    Other scum politician: “Dear Satan, it’s Maggie!”

    For anyone who missed the article in “The Nation” magazine, Google:

    “Why Would Anyone Celebrate the Death of Margaret Thatcher? Ask a Chilean”

    Not at all a comprehensive list of her crimes.

    Ozzy Osbourne’s “Mr Crowley” would be a fitting song to play at Thatcher’s funeral.

    Background: Aleister Crowley “was in revolt against the moral and religious values of his time, espousing a form of libertinism based upon the rule of ‘Do What Thou Wilt’. [He was] denounced as the wickedest man in the world”.

    RIP Margaret Crowley – let’s hope not!

  115. O/T A Palestinian photographer in the Aida refugee camp has been shot in the face with a rubber coated steel bullet by the IDF. What bastards.

    I have an English friend who works in the Lajee Centre in the Aida camp which is right up against the separation wall.

    PHOTOS: Israeli troops shoot Palestinian photographer in the face

    WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES

    Israeli soldiers target a Palestinian photographer who was taking pictures of them invading Aida Refugee Camp, shooting him in the face with a rubber-coated steel bullet.
    http://972mag.com/photos-palestinian-photographer-shot-in-the-face-by-israeli-troops/68897/

    Aida Camp Over 3,600 refugees lived in an area measuring 0.1 sq km
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aida_(camp) 2006

    There is constant harassment by the Israelis.
    http://www.palestinemonitor.org/details.php?id=xdm31pa3413yts5d197rx

  116. One I think little-known nugget is that she was believed brought into the world by the Roberts’ family doctor, who was the father of Nicholas Parsons of Just a Minute fame and Sale of the Century infamy. The great Sale of the Century came later and would be the shameless looting and ransacking of the public sector and nationalised industry, all the equipment, investment, premises, intellectual property, research, and land bought and paid for by the public through subsidy and in many cases necessary nationalisation through private ownership’s ineptitude and serial failure and greed, unerringly running a string of companies with strong futures into the ground for the short-term fast buck. Privatisation then landed all in the lap of the grasping few, who from then on exploited to the max the golden gift-horse of accumulated post-war national endeavour, brains and hard graft, bilking everyone of their share and their equal right as owner-citizens. The nationalised industries and public sector were all of ours, we were all proud shareholders in mighty enterprises, and who lost all in this shocking, regressive transfer from the many to the few; in the annals of crime, these privatisations were the greatest grandest thefts known in this country … until 2008.

  117. doug scorgie

    11 Apr, 2013 - 4:32 pm

    COMMENT_PressTV‏@COMMENT_PressTV5h

    On tonight’s LIVE show georgegalloway will be discussing the legacy and death of Margaret Thatcher. It’s a show not to be missed!

  118. resident dissident

    11 Apr, 2013 - 4:45 pm

    “O/T A Palestinian photographer in the Aida refugee camp has been shot in the face with a rubber coated steel bullet by the IDF. What bastards.”

    The IDF are not the only bastards attacking Palestinian refugee camps

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/16/syrian-rocket-palestinian-refugee-camp

    Or is there some sort of double standard woring here?

  119. An hour and a half’s silence here for the victim of Israeli violence.

    I was ready to let byegones begone bye-bye. Until the gonks in grey suits announced the Triumphal funeral. I just watched Glenda J and Tony Benn about Thatcher.

    Why don’t they put Paddy Ashdown and Nick Clegg in the coffin with Maggie and burn them all together as a way of thanking them for bringing back Thatcherism in the 21st Century?

  120. I would only disagree with Guano on the small but important point that the Liberals, Social Democrats, The Alliance, the Liberal Democrats, the Atanticists, the Gaitskellites or whatever these shape shifting morphing opportunist slime call themselves today – they were responsible for giving us Thatcherism in the 20th Century too, the Falklands were fuck-all except to the died-in-the-wool True Blue BritNat fascists, the Murdoch empire, the coke-snorting addled yuppies, the banking and dealing set, sundry moronic flag-waving hangers-on plus the Zionists who hung like flies round shite to a cause as rotten, venal and pustulent as their own – it was the SDP/Liberal Alliance who escorted, aided and abetted the Tories to power in 1983, playing the third party, split opposition trick that fragmented the over-whelming majority anti-Tory vote; in ’83 voting for the Lib/Dems – as much part of the fake opposition as New Labour are today – delivered Thatcher to power, a thin mandate distorted to empower a dictatorship through the two-plus-one party stranglehold and the intentional vagaries and outrages resulting from first-past-the-post.

  121. More on her relations with Pinochet. I remember her stage-managed media event visit to the Pinochets who were living under so-called house arrest near Wentworth. He was supposed to be dying upwards at the time but survived until 2006. The disgusting Straw released him in 2000 overturning the House of Lords decision to extradite him. When Pinochet got back to Chile he got out of his wheelchair.

    ‘The 84-year-old emerged from the plane in a wheelchair and was lowered in a truck with an improvised elevator to the tarmac. The head of the Chilean armed forces General Ricardo Izurieta was the first to greet him, embracing the former president warmly. He then stood up, aided by a walking stick, to greet army chiefs and relatives. An army band played some of the general’s favourite tunes as he lifted his arms to the cheering crowds in acknowledgement.’

    He and Mrs T will now be reunited.

    Neruda, Pinochet, and the Iron Lady
    April 10, 2013
    Posted by Jon Lee Anderson

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/04/neruda-pinochet-thatcher-chile-murder-exhumed.html

    An article by Sir Geoffrey Bindman below which explains how Pinochet evaded extradition to Spain and which corrects Joshua Rozenberg’s piece on Lord Hoffmann’s role in the case.

    http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/opinion/letters/the-bigger-picture

    http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/opinion/joshua-rozenberg/how-pinochet-tainted-hoffmanns-brilliant-career

  122. This is in several comments because the original with many links is still awaiting moderation since 11.29 a.m.

    1)

    If anyone wants to know more about the Ian Taylor legal shutdown of here are some links posted by:

    Alasdair Martin. “I see some people are debating the National Collective issue. Here are some links from the article in question, all are from well known mainstream news organisations and all refer either to Ian Taylor or Vitol, the company of which he is CEO.

    Remember, I’m not alleging anything, just sharing some links to mainstream news websites.

    OIL CHIEF PAID $1MILLION TO WARLORD
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/01/balkans.warcrimes2
    “The other senior politician being dragged into the action is the Tory, Alan Duncan, whom Moussavi intends to call as a witness. Duncan, former Tory vice-chairman and a supporter of Michael Portillo, was a paid consultant to Vitol in the early 1990s. He worked with Vitol’s president, Ian Taylor, at Shell and remains a close friend. ”

  123. The Yarmouk referred to earlier is not the arms factory in Sudan which the Israelis attacked with missiles.

    http://africanarguments.org/2012/11/06/sudan-and-the-yarmouk-attack-israel%E2%80%99s-folly-america%E2%80%99s-brolly-by-ahmed-badawi/

    It is best to know the facts about Yarmouk on the outskirts of Damascus and there is great difficulty in attempting to find out. It is a very complicated and tragic situation. Nobody knows the true state of affairs as a lot of is supposition and hearsay from the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights run by a guy in a flat in the Midlands I understand. There are half a million Palestinian refugees in Syria and they have nowhere to go.

    Ramzy Baroud writes:

    Syria is now the latest episode of that long drawn tragedy, which is being manifested in unprecedented ways since the Lebanese civil war (1975-1990) and the Israeli invasions of Lebanon (1978 and 1982). There are twelve refugee camps in Syria. Nine of them are registered as official camps by the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) and have a population of more than 496,000 refugees. Yarmouk alone, near Damascus, hosts an estimated 150,000 refugees. This camp has been a recurring target for various militant groups and Syrian forces. Other camps have also been targeted in the brutal conflict, including Dera’a, Husseinieh and Neirab among others.

    Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed in Syria. They were either caught in the bloody conflict between the Syrian government and the opposition, or were purposely targeted for one pretext or another. The most recent violence, which nearly emptied Yarmouk, began on Dec. 14 when Islamist militants reportedly attacked Palestinian fighters loyal to the Syrian government of President Bashar Assad. A counterattack involving an airstrike left Yarmouk littered with many dead and wounded. An exodus followed and a new chapter of the Palestinian odyssey was being forcefully written, draped with blood and more atrocious memories. Tens of thousands fled. Some made it to the very crowded Palestinian camps in Lebanon. Others were refused entry, only to camp in Damascus parks, once more queuing for UN handouts. The World Food Programs seems to be in charge of feeding the refugees. According to a recent statement, the UN group is coordinating its effort with UNRWA, the Syrian Arab Red Crescent (SARC), UN Children’s Agency UNICEF, and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/28/tragedy-of-syrias-palestinians-and-centrality-of-right-of-return/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Observatory_for_Human_Rights

  124. 2)

    SWISS FIRM PLEADS GUILTY IN UN OIL/FOOD CASE
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/11/20/un-food-vitol-idUKN2058211120071120
    “Vitol, which had $114 billion of revenue in 2006, will pay restitution of $13 million to Iraq and $4.5 million to cover the cost of prosecution, Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau said in a statement.

    Vitol is one of the world’s largest independent physical oil trading companies. It admitted to paying $13 million in kickbacks to Iraqi officials under Saddam Hussein to win oil supply contracts, and the plea ended the New York investigation.”

  125. 3)

    OIL TRADER VITOL IN TALKS OVER TAX-AVOIDANCE BILL
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9771537/Oil-trader-Vitol-in-talks-over-tax-avoidance-bill.html
    ” The Geneva-based company, which has offices in London, is thought to have operated an ‘employee benefit trust’ (EBT) for more than a decade.

    Such schemes, which were used by more than 2,000 companies, allowed employees to avoid paying income tax and companies to avoid national insurance contributions. ”

  126. 4)

    ACCESSING DAVID CAMERON VIA DONATIONS CONTROVERSY OF 2011
    “Ian Taylor and wife: Ian Taylor is the president and chief executive of the world’s largest oil trader Vitol. He has been involved in the oil business for more than 30 years. Mr Taylor has donated £555,100 to the party since June 2006.” – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17512814

    see also the guardian for general details of the controversy – http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/sep/30/david-cameron-conservative-donors

  127. 5)

    GOVERNMENT ADMITS ALAN DUNCAN’S LINKS TO COMPANY IN ‘LIBYAN OIL CELL’ [see article for links to Taylor and Vitol]
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/01/libya-alan-duncan-links-oil-cell
    “It is said to have played a discreet but crucial role in the campaign in Libya by helping to enforce the sanctions regime to prevent Gaddafi importing and exporting oil while allowing oil to reach the rebels in the east. That oil came via one company, Vitol.

    Duncan, a former oil trader and multi-millionaire, has had a 30-year friendship with the managing director of Vitol, Ian Taylor, at one point operating as a consultant to the company and as a non-executive director to a subsidiary firm. Taylor has also been a Tory donor, declared on Duncan’s parliamentary register of interests.”

  128. 6)

    PM COMES CLEAN OVER DINNER DATES: CAMERON FORCED TO DISCLOSE £25MILLION DONORS HE WINED AND DINED
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120793/David-Cameron-forced-disclose-23million-donors-wined-dined.html
    “Mr Taylor, 55, is the president and group chief executive of the Swiss multinational Vitol, the third biggest oil trading company in the world with revenues of £186billion last year. He personally donated £466,000 to the Tories under David Cameron.

    Mr Taylor is a close friend of Alan Duncan, who in opposition received tens of thousands of pounds from Mr Taylor via donations to the Tories.

    Mr Duncan had further links with Vitol by serving as a non-executive director of Arawak Energy, an off-shoot of Vitol, before he was a minister.

    Mr Taylor, from a Scottish family, went to the private King’s School, Macclesfield, and studied politics, philosophy and economics at Oxford. After a stint at Shell, which he joined after graduating, he joined Vitol in 1985.

    Vitol is no stranger to controversy. Last year after it was revealed that the company was supplying oil to the rebels in Libya ‘largely without upfront payments’ in the hope of gaining oil deals later.

    In 2007, the firm pleaded guilty to paying money in violation of the UN’s oil for food programme into accounts it knew were controlled by the Iraqi Government’s State Oil Marketing Organisation during Saddam Hussein’s presidency. It paid US$13m to the Iraqi people by way of restitution and US$4.5m to the New York District Attorney in lieu of fines. The firm is also reported to have paid $1million to the notorious Serbian war criminal Arkan to act as a fixer on a business deal in the 1990s.”

  129. 7)

    TORY MINISTER ALAN DUNCAN ACCUSED OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AFTER OIL BOSS PAL COMPLETED A $1BILLION DEAL WITH LIBYAN REBELS
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-minister-alan-duncan-accused-151128
    “The International Development minister has privately boasted that the ‘Duncan plan’ helped to topple Gaddafi.

    But he faces criticism over his links to Vitol and Mr Taylor who has given at least £200,000 to the Conservatives, some of which was used to pay for Mr Duncan’s secretary in 2008. The top Tory has also served as a non-executive director of Arawak Energy, an off-shoot of Vitol before he was a minister.”

  130. 8)

    EXCLUSIVE VITOL TRADES IRANIAN FUEL OIL, SKIRTING SANCTIONS
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/26/uk-iran-oil-sanctions-vitol-idUKBRE88P06920120926
    “Privately-held Vitol SA is led by its long-time CEO Ian Taylor, a Briton. Taylor was among leading donors to Britain’s ruling Conservative Party named in March by the Prime Minister’s office as having dined with David Cameron at his private apartment in Downing Street amid the fall-out from a “cash for access” party funding scandal. Britain is a vociferous critic of Tehran’s nuclear programme and a leading advocate of the EU sanctions.”

  131. VITOL FACES QUESTIONS ON TRADE WITH IRAN
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9569231/Vitol-faces-questions-on-trade-with-Iran.html
    “The company, run by Ian Taylor, admitted it had allowed its Bahraini subsidiary to buy a cargo of fuel oil of Iranian origin in July – after the EU had imposed sanctions on Iranian oil trades. “”

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    I left that in to make the mods smile though not much to smile about myself.

    My computer has been down since I posted the original, that I’ve just cut into sizeable chunks, due to a virus called Delta Search which loads itself and downloads everything you do to upload its own search routines. It is very hard to remove and associated with other viruses like Comodo (I thought of you Komodo).

  132. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 6:14 pm

    “The nationalised industries and public sector were all of ours, we were all proud shareholders in mighty enterprises,….” (Cryptonym, 16h27)

    Proud shareholders? Railways strikes. Long waits for ‘phones.

    Mighty entreprises? Mightily subsidised entreprises. Three day weeks.

    Are we talking about the UK in the 1970s?

    ***************

    La vita è bella, life is good! (fight against amnesia)

  133. resident dissident

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    OF course this particular bastard has some form in attacking Palesininian refugee camps

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-attacks-palestinian-refugee-camp-2338823.html

    And those rather closer to the action than Mary are pretty clear on who is behind the violence

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/leave-palestinians-out-of-this-war-abbas-warns-assad-8422906.html

  134. doug scorgie

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    resident dissident
    11 Apr, 2013 – 4:45 pm

    “The IDF are not the only bastards attacking Palestinian refugee camps.”

    You are right and all involved should be condemned.

    “After fierce battles on Sunday, 16 December 2012, Palestinian neutrality in the Syrian crisis collapsed completely as the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Islamist fighters overran most of the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp in Damascus.”

    “The battle over the Yarmouk refugee camp between the Free Syrian Army and Islamists, on one side, and the Syrian security forces and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC), on the other, intensified over the past few days.”

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/14411

    So the situation is far from straight forward in Syria.

  135. Whatever your opinion of Thatcher, we can all agree on one point: Her death can be good for the country.

    Thatcher’s Death: Good For Britain?

  136. Jonangus Mackay

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:41 pm

    Lest we forget. The Thatchers have more in common with Jimmy Savile than politics & Christmas:
    http://is.gd/HPvYPp

  137. In a Big Country

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    John Goss

    Ian Taylor and Vitol’s lawyers are shutting down all comments on their dubious activities.

    Although previously attacked by Labour MPs as “dirty money” when Ian Taylor donated to the Tory party, Alistair Darling is happy to accept Taylor’s £500,000 donation to the Better Together anti Scottish independence grouping “in good faith” despite fact that Taylor deosn’t even have a vote in the forthcoming referendum

  138. doug scorgie

    11 Apr, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    “In agreement with Lady Thatcher’s representatives, around 200 states, territories and international organisations are being invited to send an official representative to the funeral service. We have invited those countries and institutions with whom we have normal diplomatic relations.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/11/thatcher-dead-funeral-full-list_n_3059708.html?1365680389&utm_hp_ref=uk

    Uzbekistan? Saudi Arabia?

  139. From memory, Stephen Sizer is a friend of Craig’s.

    This is a letter which Rev Sizer and others have written to the new Archbishop of Canterbury.

    9th April 2013

    Dear Archbishop Justin,

    We write as representatives of organisations and as individuals who are deeply involved in the search for peace with justice in the Holy Land to express our deep concern over the remarks that have been attributed to you in a recent interview with the newspaper “Jewish News”. Amongst the aspects of the interview with which we were most saddened were that you regretted not voting against the General Synod decision to support EAPPI.

    As you know, the main criticism that was levelled against EAPPI before the vote was, in the words of one of their more strident opponents, that it created “a cohort of very partisan but very motivated anti-Israel advocates who have almost no grasp of the suffering of normal Israelis”.

    However, EAPPI seeks a just solution to the problems in the Holy Land that will benefit both Palestinians and Israelis. It operates in terms of what it calls “principled impartiality” with its Code of Conduct stating: “We do not take sides in this conflict and we do not discriminate against anyone but we are not neutral in terms of principles of human rights and international humanitarian law. We stand faithfully with the poor, the oppressed and the marginalized. We want to serve all parties in this conflict in a fair and unbiased manner in word and action.”

    In our experience, all Ecumenical Accompaniers are scrupulous in their determination to be fair to all sides in their work, as befits both the programme and the senior positions they often hold as Church leaders, in the legal profession, as teachers and many other areas.

    Its participants are given a full briefing on a wide variety of Israeli perspectives including taking an extended tour of the Holocaust Museum and travel to Sderot to meet Israeli people affected by rockets fired from Gaza. Their discussions with Israelis also include briefings from those who work with Palestinians most directly – some of whom wrote most powerfully in support of EAPPI when it came under its most sustained attack.

    /..
    http://stephensizer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/eappi-and-archbishop-of-canterbury.html

  140. If Pinochet would be still alive he would be invited, on special leave from his open prison, and waht if Jimmy Saville would be still alive?

    would he be let out for the ceremonies if there was a, ehem… royal request for allowing him to grieve, I’m sure he would not get to see her on the embalming table, and what if a man can’t give a woman a decent sent of? rah rah, bluster blab and he would get 48 hrs. leave from his sextuple life sentence.

    Total media blackout, one wonders what margaret’s last service was and how many dastardly schemes and policies have been pushed off the news agenda for this now nausea inducing adoration.

  141. Thanks for that link Doug Scorgie. As you say and as I said, the situation is complex. There are no black and whites and the reports coming out from Lebanon are unsubstantiated as Jim Muir so often tells us.

    This is Billy Boy’s version of the G8 Foreign Ministers meeting. Yards and yards of it. This is what he had to say on Syria. I think the situation has got him foxed especially the newly declared support for Al Qaeda from one of the rabble rebel groups.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g8-foreign-ministers-meeting-statement

    The Middle East

    Syria

    G8 Foreign Ministers expressed deep concerns about the increasing human tragedy of the conflict in Syria. They were appalled that more than 70,000 people have been killed in the conflict and that there are now more than a million Syrian refugees registered by the UNHCR in neighbouring countries, and more than two million internally displaced persons in Syria. They acknowledged the importance of neighbouring countries’ efforts in hosting refugees, and stressed the need for the international community to help the most affected neighbouring countries. They called on all countries to join with them in maximising their contributions to the latest UN appeals and to provide them with direct support in order to help them face this challenging situation.

    Against this desperate background, the Ministers reaffirmed their commitment to supporting a Syrian-led political transition, and the work of Joint UN and Arab League Special Representative Brahimi, based on the principles set out in the Geneva Communiqué. This transition should meet the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people and enable them to democratically and independently determine their own future. They called for the UN Security Council to remain seized of this matter. The Ministers condemned in the strongest possible terms all human rights violations and abuses in Syria and called on all sides to respect international humanitarian and human rights law, noting the particular responsibility of the Syrian authorities in this regard. They welcomed efforts to document all crimes for the purposes of future accountability.

    The Ministers condemned the ongoing use of heavy weapons against residential areas and reaffirm their view that any use of chemical weapons would demand a serious international response. To this end, the Ministers reaffirmed the importance of safeguarding sites where any such weapons are held.

    The humanitarian situation in Syria is deplorable and continues to worsen. The Ministers called for greater humanitarian assistance and for improved and safe access to the Syrian people by humanitarian agencies in co-ordination with all parties to the conflict.

    ~~~
    Ms Jolie seems to have upstaged him at the press conference as Mr Marcus of the BBC confirms.

    ‘When all was said and done it was the film actress – Angelina Jolie – who stole the show. And this was not just due to her star quality. The nuclear dialogue with Iran is going nowhere. North Korea is unlikely to be deterred by the strong words coming from the G8 in London. And the Syrian crisis is doubly intractable because the UN Security Council is divided, with Russia and China opposing any strong statements, let alone action. So this was a meeting of the G8 that emphasised the art of the possible.

    The measures taken to combat sexual violence in armed conflict were thrust into the limelight. Many will say that a scourge that has afflicted societies from the Balkans to Africa and now the Middle East merits this kind of attention. But its billing at this G8 is a measure not just of its importance but of the intractability of so many of the other issues facing the premier league of world diplomats.’

  142. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 8:27 pm

    Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie bleats at 19h10:

    “resident dissident
    11 Apr, 2013 – 4:45 pm

    “The IDF are not the only bastards attacking Palestinian refugee camps.”

    You are right and all involved should be condemned.”

    **********

    Yes indeed, Doug. Funny though that you never seem to condemn Presdent Assad on your own initiative. Why do you always have to wait until prompted?

    ***************

    La vita è bella, life is good! (spot the hypocrite)

  143. Sorry about your computer virus John. Could Clark help out on its removal? Any idea where it was picked up?

  144. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 9:12 pm

    “A world without nuclear weapons would be less stable and more dangerous for all of us.”

    Margaret Thatcher—-

    Than you, wikileaks

    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/margaretth114268.html#7pxz9sTCfWPMcQeW.99

    ‘Green thinks that the government now has to make quick work of removing these tactical nuclear weapons. This should ideally take place within NATO, but if there is no agreement would be that Belgium must negotiate bilaterally with the U.S.. That which nuclear weapons are there, we knew by now. But the real secret is that nuclear weapons today are totally useless. They will however, be dangerous. All military experts agree that these tactical (short-range) nuclear weapons have no military utility more in the current European context. These useless weapons remain a genuine security for our country when it comes to terrorist attacks. About the security of the site of Kleine Brogel has after numerous incidents nobody illusions. ”

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.standaard.be%2Fartikel%2Fdetail.aspx%3Fartikelid%3DDMF20130409_081%26word%3DWikiLe

  145. @John, for viruses, try “Outpost Firewall Pro” – a top firewall with virus protection, too (with PCs, though, install two virus scanners just to be on the safe side). If you’ve got a Mac, there’s “Sophos”.

    Cameron was on TV a moment ago, blubbering and sobbing. He said, Tory MPs are traumatised by recent events and Parliament is allocating a further £50 million of the public’s money to build a restaurant/cafe/bar/entertainment/hotel complex next door to the House of Commons to help MPs get over the deep psychological scars caused by Maggie Savile Pinochet Crowley Thatcher’s death.

  146. O/T The campaign against Homebase using workfare is going well. ‘
    Toffs paying spivs to exploit the poor and unemployed’ I think is how it goes.

    Workfare Wednesday: We won’t stop until you do Homebase!http://www.boycottworkfare.org/?p=2414

    Their Facebook page. See the comments. https://www.facebook.com/homebase

  147. Mary G8 above:

    ‘Against this desperate background, the Ministers reaffirmed their commitment to supporting a Syrian-led political transition, and the work of Joint UN and Arab League Special Representative Brahimi, based on the principles set out in the Geneva Communiqué. This transition should meet the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people and enable them to democratically and independently determine their own future.’

    In other words the G8 agreed to do nothing and the UN agreed to do nothing so that their planned destruction of Syria can continue unhindered.

    The objective of this destruction is to force the Sunni Muslims, including the millions displaced from neighbouring countries like Iraq + Kurdistan, or Palestine, to submit to a particular version of Islam, the Zionist compliant Muslim Brotherhood, which is in league with the Turkish Zionist compliant Gulen Islam and Egypt’s Mursi government.

    The brand of Islam that was in place in Turkey, Syria, Jordan and Kurdistan, is labelled Sufism by the western-backed Salafists because they had all managed their conduct under the Dictators in a non-political way. Plenty of spies to enforce that system. The system had the advantage that religious disputes would result in punishment. Mullahs spoke only, but fully, about the main texts of the Qur’an and Hadith without being able to engage in political struggle amongst themselves.
    That was a very pure system and sorely missed by Muslims.

    The labelling of the enforcedly un-political Muslims as Sufi was libellous and deceitful because Sufism is a deviation from the main texts. The absence of political struggle from their Islam was due only to the dictators’ persecution ( controlled obviously by the Zionists and the West ). You are even allowed to eat pork if you are forced to do so against your will, so you are allowed to remain un-political if you are forced to do so.

    The Salafists’ condemnation of this stagnant state of religious practise, which is often reported as emanating from Saudi Arabia, causing disaster and carnage in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq, is in fact a creation of the Zionist West. We know now, but we did not know then, that 9/11 for which UBL took responsibility was not done by him. The purpose was not only to give an excuse for the carpet bombing of Afghanistan up to and including the present drone bombardments, but also to mislead the Muslims into attacking the genuine Muslims, the custodians of Islam, who were not Sufis, but who had remained politically inactive.

    The purpose of the drones is to mop up and destroy those learned men and women have survived the internecine slaughter caused by bthe Zionists. The enemies of Islam do not want Islam to be a religion of depth, of soul, of humanity, of social justice. They want Islam to be shallow, vindictive, sectarian and summary in justice. They do not want Islam’s jurists to consider the background of a case, in which it might be discovered that a transgressor might actually themselves be a victim of a corrupt authority, which the Jurists ought to challenge instead.

    What we have in Syria is represented as being sponsored and funded by Saudi Arabia in order to convince the Sunni Muslims of its legitimacy. It is in fact, in my opinion, being funded by the Zionists, by us, by our banking collapse. The Saudis have for thousands of years concentrated on the maintainence of the Hajj, and they have leant over backwards to collude, fund, mollify, contain the threats of the Zionist West. But at the end of the day the Qur’an is their language and they know better than anyone what Islam is. They are also not able, because they are themselves so compromised in their preservation of the Hajj, to influence what is being done in the name of Islam, or what is being done in their own name, even in the countries of their nearest neighbours.

    If Saudi Arabia had funded the Western Zionist insurrection in Syria they would have made provision for the victims. They know better than anyone that they are accountable for the victim sufferings. Salafism, as in purity of religion and adherence to the first examples of Islam is detested by the Western/ Zionist jihadi Salafists because it is un-political. They hate the Saudi Salafists who understand that the carnage of Muslims is against their religion. They will openly describe what is happening in Syria as ‘ a very good thing ‘. And because they are in alliance with the Zionist/West they do think that the destruction of Syria and its people is ‘ a very good thing’.

    I know readers here have no stomach for the complexities of religion, but in order to understand Syria one has to understand that the Alawi religion is the embodiment of the opposite of Islam. The dictators Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi stood on nationalism, which has no place in Islam. They stood on Masonism, and every haram/forbidden thing, adultery, drinking, magic, tortue and oppression of every kind. The dictators that were aging needed to be replaced with new, obedient slaves to Zionism. Assad is young, well-groomed and well trained in his duties to the Zionist West. He is well armed by comrade Putin.
    The enemy is not Assad. The enemy is the Muslims of Syria, who have to be bent to the will of the New World Order’s patent version of conscience-free Islam. Enslaved to the political thugs who pose as Mullahs but who murder the beloved Mullahs of Islam and rejoice in them being droned in Yemen and Pakistan while they twiddle their thumbs in London..

  148. Thanks Richard II. I’ve found something even worse, a Trojan called Yontoo. I’ve been having problems for a while. None of the protection software programs seem to pick it up. It infects the registry and replicates in different guises. It’s driving me mad.

    Thanks Mary and everyone for your concerns. Comodo came in on the back of Firefox from EZ DOWNLOAD without being intentionally requested. But it is probably Yontoo that enables the viruses. But not sure. Anyway be careful everyone.

  149. Mary and Komodo, I agree, Glenda Jackson made a great extempore speech. She was backed up by the Speaker too when a pompous fart got on his legs trying to support a woman who caused this country so much harm.

  150. Thanks for the additional info In A Big Country.

  151. Bad luck John.

    ~~~

    More important than this wretched funeral are the elections in Venezuela on Sunday.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/world/americas/venezuela-elections-qa/index.html

    Good luck to Maduro. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol%C3%A1s_Maduro

    I see Capriles is actually Radonski.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrique_Capriles_Radonski

  152. I was reading up on Savile’s contacts with Thatcher, and spotted an article about Johnny Rotten. Rotten says the public should have some respect for Thatcher’s death and stop the celebrations.

    Three words for Rotten and those like him: “A Christmas Carol” (1951). Go to the part where Scrooge meets the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come; Scrooge is dead, and no one cares!

    Charles Dickens understood poverty and suffering; Rotten & Co understand nothing except their own money-soaked lives.

    To those like him, I find it repugnant that politicians have put thousands of disabled and seriously ill into an early grave – and driven others to suicide! – just because of a fanatical desire to privatise & profit from everything – even medical assessments! – even death itself!

    I find their craven threats & vacuous insults repulsive in the extreme.

    It is sickening to watch MPs guffaw in Parliament, not giving a damn about the deaths they have caused, the lives they have ruined, and then award ATOS (an IT company) another £400 million contract for a job well done.

    If people want to celebrate Thatcher’s death, let them!

    CALLOUSNESS IS WHAT THATCHER STOOD FOR IN LIFE – LET HER FUNERAL REFLECT THAT! Let’s have some *damn honesty* for a change.

    If people don’t like such celebrations, then they should have done something about Thatcher and the Tories before they completely ruined this country. What did Johnny Rotten do? He buggered off to the US to enjoy life. Another useless rich c*nt trying to lecture the rest of us.

    John Lydon should go back to flogging butter in TV commercials – that’s his forte, not politics!

  153. John Goss: have you tried Roguekiller? It’s pretty impressive.

    http://tigzy.geekstogo.com/roguekiller.php

  154. @John, if I were you, I’d reinstall the OS – assuming that’s a viable option for you. Make sure you back everything up first, of course.

  155. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    Operation Gladio; ‘Natch !

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http://www.articolotre.com/2013/04/ferdinando-imposimato-ce-bilderberg-dietro-alla-strategia-della-tensione/159105

    “In an interview with the website ArticoloTre , Imposimato, who was in the house Also Involved Involving the kidnapping and murder of former Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro, Said That he “found a document That left me appalled” implicating the Bilderberg Group in conspiring with the far right organization Ordine Nuovo to commit terror attacks.

    Speaking of unsolved murders in Italy and the document in his possession, Imposimato Stated, “When it comes to slaughter Also it speaks of the Bilderberg Group. I believe this document. I did some tests and I can say That behind the strategy of tension and the Slaughters Also there is the Bilderberg group, a sort of Big Brother is over, maneuvering, using terrorists and Masons. ‘

    The “strategy of tension” Refers to a policy under the auspices of Operation Gladio , a NATO cold war “stay behind” That project sought to create an expedient political climate in Europe by having its agents carry out terror attacks Which were then blamed on Both far left and far right political groups.”

  156. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    Mary, at 22h14, breathlessly informs us that :

    “I see Capriles is actually Radonski.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrique_Capriles_Radonski.”

    *******

    So what?

    As usual with Spanish surnames, both the father’s surname (Capriles) and the mother’s surname (Radonski) are used.

    I understand that a couple of Capriles’ grandparents were Jewish or of Jewish origin.

    Is this why Mary the Not-Anti-Semite is mentioning it?

    ***********

    La vita è bella, life is good! (at it again…?)

  157. Breathing is fine. Not ‘breathless’ at all.

  158. Who bills Capriles as the ‘charismatic Catholic grandson of Holocaust survivors’? Why, it’s The Times of Israel, time and time again. Why do they do they have to draw attention to that? They should be interrogated.

    viz
    Venezuelan opposition leader to run for president
    Henrique Capriles Radonski, a Catholic grandson of Jewish Holocaust survivors, faces a tough battle ahead of April elections

    Grandson of Holocaust survivors takes on Chavez legacy
    Henrique Capriles faces off against incumbent Nicolas Maduro as Venezuela candidates ratchet up campaigns

    Venezuelan opposition nominates candidate with Jewish roots
    Henrique Capriles Radonski, the Catholic grandson of Jewish Holocaust survivors, to decide Sunday if he will run again to succeed Chavez

    PS I saw on the same website that the French Chief Rabbi has resigned for plagiarism and incorrect details on his CV apparently.

  159. Poll On Radio Times website

    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-04-11/should-radio-1-play-ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-on-the-official-chart-show

    Should Radio 1 play Ding Dong the Witch is Dead on the Official Chart Show?

    Yes 89.15% (6,581 votes)

    No 7.69% (568 votes)

    Don’t know 0.73% (54 votes)

    Don’t care 2.42% (179 votes)

    as of posting.

  160. On Amazon MP3 store the number one selling song is currently “Ding Dong the witch is dead”. Amazon currently advises visitors:

    Customers who bought this song also bought…

    Tramp The Dirt Down by Elvis Costello

    The Day That Thatcher Dies by Hefner

    Margaret On The Guillotine
    by Morrissey

    Ding Dong is 69p on Amazon.

  161. Blair v. Miliband Guardian:

    ‘Blair directly challenged Miliband’s belief that the financial crash and the subsequent recession has created an appetite for a remodelling of capitalism from the left. The former premier wrote: “The paradox of the financial crisis is that, despite being widely held to have been caused by under-regulated markets, it has not brought a decisive shift to the left. ‘

    No, Mr false-flag Zion-dwelling nut-case, we do not think the financial crisis was caused by under-regulated markets. We think it was caused by criminals in the banking system who blackmailed you personally and professionally into launching an un-provoked war against the Muslim world which has destroyed the lives of millions of people.

    Mrs Thatcher was right to promote enterprise and wrong to attack the Unions and the Welfare state that had taken centuries to build.

    The Banking problem did not come from left or right, or banking regulation or not regulation. It came from bribery, corruption, spineless lack of moral judgement and refusal to stand up to vested interests.

    i.e you, Mr Blair. Not Mrs Thatcher, you.

  162. That quote stood out here Komodo- welcome back ;) -and that quote stank like a cesspit! –

    Interestingly I wrote that ‘reply’ without viewing past your first post Komodo.

    On reading I noticed the word ‘ceespit’ reappeared – an altogether disturbing tremor in the energy field(“as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced)…

  163. I find it very strange that Thatcher died while staying at the Ritz, why was she there ?, why was she not at one of the homes she owned in and around London ?. She was after all very sick and confused suffering from advanced dementia.

  164. guano

    Miliband has no intention of “remodelling of capitalism from the left”, he is just saying that as he thinks there will be votes in saying such at the next election and Blair knows that. As for Blair saying as he has, well, he thinks it will help him to gain support from european leaders, big money support when he runs for president of the european council. All a very sophisticated, clever deception, manipulation, distortion, and falsification to once again fool people to vote for them.

  165. Hi It seems that she could not manage stairs. Surely, it would have been easy to convert a downstairs room in her Belgravia house to a bedroom. Many families with fewer means than the Thatcher family make such arrangements. The son and daughter do not appear to have been around much. They will now inherit £millions presumably.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2256286/Lady-Thatcher-recuperates-The-Ritz-Former-PM-stays-luxury-suite-recovers-minor-surgery.html

  166. Breaking news on BBC.

    US Secretary of State John Kerry arrives in South Korea amid heightened tensions in the region

    Should read

    US Secretary of State John Kerry arrives in South Korea to heighten tensions in the region

    You should have heard the propaganda on Radio 4 this morning. The North Koreans are so hungry and are resorting to cannibalism. A child is photographed starving on the street, etc etc but they now have the capability to attach nuclear devices to their missiles! Blah. Blah. The puerility of their propaganda is insulting.

    The back story on the missiles.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9988833/US-denies-report-North-Korea-already-has-nuclear-missile-capability.html

  167. Guano, I’m reading your posts re internal political dynamics in the Muslim world with keen interest. Within the very tight restraints of blog commentary, you write very well. I don’t agree with your position on 9/11, but that is not necessary for the validity of your other observations. Some good primer links would be appreciated tho’ if you have any.

  168. How the West Fueled the Ever-Growing Carnage in Syria
    The actions of the United States and its allies in Syria have only led to escalating violence and chaos.

    http://www.alternet.org/world/peace-plan-nixed-how-west-fueled-ever-growing-carnage-syria

  169. English Knight

    12 Apr, 2013 - 8:52 am

    The Great Satan used to be under the management of Elvis Presley the WASP, it is now under an even deadlier new management, Kerry the crypto – got himself sent home from Vietnam as a hero with a Purple Heart after only seeing FOUR weeks of active combat duty. The N Koreans are furious, their spies in the South have been led to believe of a US preemptive strike. NOTHING of the kind – Cohen is just readying people, psyops for a previously taboo/unthinkable nuclear strike on Iran – as usual the Russian with Primakovs in their midst have been lulled into a deep slumber. The Iranians will simply run over Azerbaijan and the sauds – and we have a full scale war on our hands.Turkey, the only “Western” force that can supply boots on the ground will be sucked in, with NATO and Russia closely behind. The Hezbollah are just waiting to unleash a couple of the 3,000 Soviet era TNW shells “lost”, and once again like in Iraq the Americans will have been chalbi’d into an Iranian trap.

  170. English Knight

    12 Apr, 2013 - 9:03 am

    Any 911 “deniers” are invited to comment on the perfectly round 12ft exit hole made on the inside perimeter of the Pentagon. By a soft aluminium nose cone (dented even by birds in flight) of a 757 that had already traveled ONE HUNDRED YARDS and through the outer wall and 6 ft of reinforced concrete walls and columns in the innards of the structure.QED.

  171. “…The son and daughter do not appear to have been around much.”

    Given Margaret’s warm and generous personality, I cannot imagine why this might be.

    Mark- you thought Victorian governments were bad? Take a look at the Hanoverian era. Nearly as bad as the present lot for patronage, nepotism and naked greed. Though vastly more cultured and interesting.

    Fellow-cynics: what is the reason for this?
    http://www.myfoxal.com/story/21948801/bush-41-43-wont-attend-thatcher-funeral.
    So far, I can only find the bald statement that they won’t be coming. No reasons given. Very strange, considering that Thatch and Bush41 were dancing cheek to cheek on Gulf 1, and I don’t recall any major dispute between her and the chimp subsequently. Would it give an ambiguous message to, say, Argentina, if the Bushes attended?

  172. Russell Brand: thoughtful piece: not incompatible concepts after all….
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

    First time I’ve ever agreed with him. Unconditionally. Throughout.

  173. I read that piece by Russell Brand and concur with your view Komodo.

    I should imagine the non-attendance by the Bush brigade was designed to reduce the security risks. I think Bush senior is in poor health.

    Bad enough too for the plods to have all the other warmongers in one place. Have you seen the female officer in charge. No messing.

    Police warning over Margaret Thatcher funeral crime
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22112637

    Her photo here http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/pHjSbUIpR3s/Jury+Mark+Saunders+Inquest+Consider+Verdict/9QQlFNzuq39/Christine+Jones

  174. I think it would rather short-circuit the police precautions if those protesting decided not to celebrate, but to mourn. Very solemnly and respectably, in appropriately funereal dress, and with a coffin of their own, prominently labelled “DEMOCRACY” and placards to match. Assembly as flash mob, distributed along route from St Clements to Westminster, looking exactly like Daily Mail readers; join procession as it passes. Just thinking out loud, Christine. Don’t waste your time looking for me on Facebook…

  175. O/T, but of general interest here, I think.

    The Los Angeles Times Editorial Board has come out swinging for the US government to drop the case against Bradley Manning.

    A Wikileaks way out:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-bradley-manning-20130412,0,4937165.story

    Meanwhile, the BBC has given a Thumbs Up to the Wikileaks PlusD Public Library of US Diplomacy:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22095116

    Correctly identifies the real value in having the Kissinger Cables so widely and easily accessible – as one of the central architects of modern-day ‘real-politick’, Kissinger’s modus operandi has been followed pretty much ever since across what the US sees as its empire.

    Much more sympathetic treatment of Assange Swedish case in this article too – given the BBC’s status as UK state broadcaster, I wonder if that signals the UK government is not quite as convinced of its need to “fulfil its legal obligation to extradite Assange” as it once was?

  176. The MI5 threat level for international terrorism in the UK at present is considered “substancial.”

    Also:

    “Dissident republicans are planning a terror attack to coincide with the funeral of former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.”

    http://www.thestar.ie/star/irish-terror-group-plan-margaret-thatcher-funeral-attack/

    “CRACK SAS and SBS units will be deployed for Baroness Thatcher’s London funeral in Britain’s biggest security operation since the Olympic Games.”

    “One threat is thought to be from IRA renegades harbouring a deep hatred of Lady Thatcher.”

    “Islamic fanatics pose another risk…”

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4880720/Iron-Lady-Ring-of-steel.html

    All this is well known and obvious so why is the government putting the public at a higher level of risk when a quiet private funeral would pose little risk?

  177. MJ

    “John Goss: have you tried Roguekiller? It’s pretty impressive.

    http://tigzy.geekstogo.com/roguekiller.php

    I tried to download this but unless it works in background I don’t know what happened to it. A search does not find it. But strangely my PC appears to be running faster. We’ll see. Thanks.

  178. All those, I think Craig’s one, who are sceptical about there being no prior knowledge in the 9/11 controlled demolitions, might be a little less sceptical after reading this.

    http://topinfopost.com/archives/575

  179. Err, Rooke was not allowed to present his “evidence” on 9/11 to the court because the judge ruled it was irrelevant; and rightly so too.

    Rooke was made to pay £200 costs, given a six month conditional discharge and told to get a TV Licence. What that means is that if he doesn’t buy a TV Licence within the next six months he’s going to be back in court.

    Only the perverse reasoning of the “truth” movement could describe that as a win.

  180. Mary, Thanks for the answer to my question.

    “Africa: EU Agrees Landmark Anti-Corruption Law for Global Resource Companies”

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201304101487.html

  181. Kempe, his evidence is the truth about what happened. You are just a blind supporter of injustice. You cannot deny the truth of his claims. The video footage shows the tower standing when the announcer announced it was down. What is wrong with your reasoning? The judge is part of the establishment. He had to find for the establishment or the rest of us would all be queuing-up for licence refunds. It does not change the facts.

  182. John Goss: that’s odd. Roguekiller doesn’t run in the background. When you did the search did you tick the ‘Show hidden files’ box? It might be interesting to start the download again, direct it to the same location and see if it asks if you want to overwrite.

  183. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 12:18 pm

    @ Mary, re Venezuelan Presidential candidate Capriles Radonski :

    Mary seems to think it’s quite important to inform us at some length that this guy’s grandparents (or some of them) were holocaust survivors.

    Why? Is it relevant to the forthcoming election?

    BTW, what is the Times of Israel? Never heard of it.

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  184. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 12:22 pm

    @ Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie :

    “All this is well known and obvious so why is the government putting the public at a higher level of risk when a quiet private funeral would pose little risk?”

    Perhaps the police are hoping that you’ll turn up and misbehave so that they can feel your collar?

    *********

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  185. Jemand, you ask for evidence/ proof about the motives of the jihadis in Syria.

    I have only the evidence of my own heart. If you get asked for assistance by someone pleading for your help and you respond generously, the normal response from the person who asked is gratitude. If not gratitude, then at least respect and you take your reward from your conscience/Allah. But if you are asked for help and the response is disrespect, harm and taking advantage, then you are entitled to ask whether the person needed help in the first place, or whether in fact they wanted to lure you into a trap, knock you off your guard, so that they could do you harm.

    For example someone tells you they are homeless and you take them in for a while, only to find that they have opened your computer, found some links to some porn and then told all your friends what they found. Is this gratitude? Or was this homelessness a ploy to betray your weaknesses?

    Same in Syria. When the mujahideen flock to Turkey, to train under the British Army, while British special forces snipe at civilians, and now assist in the destruction of the infrastructure of Syria, murder the scholars, and place suicide bombs. Are these people in need of assistance or is the purpose of their presence in Syria an act of betrayal?

    Would it not be possible to empathise with the individual Muslim who is straying off the path, enough to ascertain that the UK government deprived that brother oh his home, his children and his work JUST for complaining that his wife had committed adultery which in England is a thought crime. Why do the mujahideen think that the Syrian people deserve their country wrecking just because they made an accommodation with the World-backed dictator? Where is the empathy?

    If they do not have empathy, then the conclusion that I draw is that they are not themselves deserving of empathy. The person who pleads for empathy, like the mujahideen who plead their frustration and hardships under the dictators as an excuse for their brutality, would be merciful to the people if they did not have an ulterior motive. The ulterior motive in my opinion is that the Zionist West has promised them a Mursi end-result to their brutality.

    Can they take exemption from the consequences of their brutality from the Zionists? Is that the deal of Islam? You establish a fascist, controlling, spying, unmerciful version of Islam brokered and subsidised by the enemies of Islam and your actions are justified by the respect and power you obtain from Islam’s enemies.

    They are nuts, like Blair. They will whinge like Blair that it was the only way to get things changed and like Blair they will be consigned to the dustbin of history and worse. The people who need help, do not murder the friends of the people who come to their help, even if they are on the wrong path. If you stop at the roadside to help someone, you do not want to be forced out of your car at gunpoint. These people feed on breaking trust, which is the foundation of human existence, so that they themselves can benefit from a working relationship with the Zionist West and take over power.

    God does not like the treacherous. Just a reminder.

  186. I see it’s playtime again. Never let it be said I don’t join in the games:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/11/french-chief-rabbi-quits-plagiarism

    And (on topic), unremarked even by Mary, I think:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-foreign-trip-since-elections-pm-to-attend-thatchers-funeral/

    She couldn’t stand Begin, btw. Any Palestinian leaders going to the jolly? No.

  187. Guano, I think it may be a lot simpler than that. We’re consciously destabilising Syria because Assad supports Iran. And who more trustworthy as anti-Shi’a allies than AQ-style Sunni/Salafist mujahideen? Never mind the crocodile tears of our demented politicians, coming soon to a screen near you. This is still US/UK policy, with a strong Israeli input. Unite, you silly buggers!

  188. Uzbek in the UK

    12 Apr, 2013 - 12:57 pm

    Mary,

    Despite we like or hate US and their allies in the East Asia, North Koreans are starving and millions of them are in slave camps. Founder of North Korean state and current crazy bustard’s granddad learnt well (from Stalin) how to exploit his people and straighten his own power at the same time. I am not judging this from BBC. I met few North Koreans when travelled to Soviet Far East once. North Koreans were leasing them to soviets since 1960th as labour and soviets paid to North Korean government in food and energy supplies. Some of them spoke Russian (although not very well) and their stories were chilling. It brought memories of worst Stalinist era and even worse was that their families were kept in North Korea as guarantee of their return. The lease (of North Korean slaves) would normally last for up to 1 year and then soviets had to transport them to the border with North Korea and get exchanged to new slaves. This was then, and I doubt it is any better now.

  189. Credit where it’s due dept.-

    “Perhaps Thatcher’s most stark failure to see eye to eye with Israel’s right was her explicit recognition of a Palestinian right to self-determination. In an interview with the U.K.’s Times in 1988, she said she hoped Israel “might at last live in peace within secure borders, giving the Palestinian people their legitimate aspirations, because you cannot demand for yourself what you deny to other people.” She went on about the concept in terms that one might hear today at J Street, or in Obama’s recent remarks about the Palestinians in Jerusalem: …”[N]ow I think we are beginning to realize more and more that the real security lies in proper peace agreements, each respecting the rights of the other, backed up by proper defense always.” Those sorts of public statements, coupled with her vociferous opposition to settlement expansion didn’t stop Thatcher from being branded a friend to Israel; today, they might be enough to get one labeled “the most anti-Israel president (ever)*.” We’ve sure come a long way.”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/08/what-kind-of-friend-to-israel-was-thatcher.html

    Also suggests that if Thatcher had had to deal with Netanyahu, she’d have found him no less of a bastard than she did Menachem Begin…

    *Referring, of course to Obama. -K

  190. MJ, thanks again. Roguekiller had not downloaded. It was asking to download other tools and I did not want other stuff that I know nothing about. Google Chrome I thought did not appear to support the product so I set up the latest version of Firefox and tried from there. But these other programs worried me.

    I have now downloaded a version through Google Chrome which found something but it was not using the link you supplied. The version is 8.5.4.0 and it has deleted four files and replaced a further two. Whether this solves the problem is a bit early to tell. But thank you.

  191. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    Yes, yes Mary, of course North Korea’s a paradise!

    It isn’t (cf. Uzbek in the UK)??

    Oh, that must be the fault of the wicked Americans.

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good! (reality deniers are sad)

  192. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2013 - 1:29 pm

    Why is the USA arming terrorist groups (in Syria for example) yet trying to disarm the US citizens?

    Interesting take on that question on this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70FEmdVIn_s

  193. John Goss: there are no other programmes, only Roguekiller.exe. Perhaps you tried to download the wrong thing. You have to scroll down past the adds to where you get the choice of 32 or 64 bit.

  194. @ Mary, re Venezuelan Presidential candidate Capriles Radonski :

    Mary seems to think it’s quite important to inform us at some length that this guy’s grandparents (or some of them) were holocaust survivors.

    Why? Is it relevant to the forthcoming election?

    BTW, what is the Times of Israel? Never heard of it.

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good!

    Another lie is being told. It was the Resident Interrogator who found it necessary to point out that fact. I put up Wikipedia links to Capriles and Maduro.

    We were then told by the RI that it is normal in Spanish speaking countries for the maternal name to be included in one’s name and therefore Capriles was rightfully Capriles Radonski.

    I never saw Hugo Chavez calling himself anything other than Hugo Chavez in spite of the fact that his mother’s was Elena Frias de Chavez.

    Hugo Chávez was born on 28 July 1954 in his paternal grandmother Rosa Inéz Chávez’s home, a modest three-room house located in the rural village Sabaneta, Barinas State. The Chávez family were of Amerindian, Afro-Venezuelan, and Spanish descent.[16] His parents, Hugo de los Reyes Chávez and Elena Frías de Chávez, were working-lower middle class schoolteachers who lived in the small village of Los Rastrojos.

    All academic in any case as Maduro had a double digit lead over Capriles and I don’t give a toss who Capriles is or about his antecedents.

    ~~~

    Yes life is good for those in possession of power and money. Not so good for those without jobs, food and homes in our ‘society’. Oh sorry I forgot. There is no such thing as ‘society’ according the late unlamented Leaderene.

  195. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2013 - 1:58 pm

    Theft of water, theft of land; it makes no difference to the Zionists they take what they want.

    “On average, West Bank Palestinians have access to about 70 litres a day per person, although in some areas availability is as low as 15 litres, depending on the season. In contrast, Israeli citizens inside the Green Line or in West Bank [Jewish only] communities utilize around 280-300 litres per person a day year-round, according to rights organizations, water NGOs and the Palestinian Water Authority.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/the-politics-of-water-palestinians-bracing-for-another-dry-summer.premium-1.515143

  196. John Hilley on Medialens

    Palace worried about hiring out their gun carriage
    Posted by John Hilley on April 12, 2013, 10:24 am

    The royals, those chief custodians of military protocol, are apparently a little anxious about allowing Maggie her funeral gun carriage and other accoutrements of warfare. They’re supposedly concerned about any popular besmirching of the precious ceremonial for such a divisive figure.

    “In discussions about the funeral held over recent years, it is understood that questions were raised by senior figures about whether it would be right to associate the military with such a divisive figure, according to a well-placed Whitehall source.

    It is understood that there were fears that the British tradition, in which the monarchy rather than politicians are associated with ceremonial aspects of the military, could be called into question.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/11/thatcher-funeral-pomp-concerns-palace

    One will, of course, struggle to recall any such royal misgivings or opposition to Mrs T’s brutal Falklands indulgence.

    All warmongers together, and fitting to see the royal-political-military establishment all assembled as one in their uniformed grotesqueness.

    John

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