UK Moves to Block US Senate Report to Protect Blair, Straw and Dearlove

by craig on April 14, 2014 12:04 pm in Uncategorized

From a British diplomatic source I learn that Britain has lobbied the United States against the publication of the Senate Intelligence Committee report on torture and extraordinary rendition.  The lobbying has been carried out “at all levels” – White House, State Department and CIA.  The British have argued that at the very least the report must be emasculated before publication.

The British argument is that in a number of court cases including the Belhadj case, the British government has successfully blocked legal action by victims on the grounds that this would weaken the US/UK intelligence relationship and thus vitally damage national security, by revealing facts the American intelligence service wish hidden.  [We will leave aside for the moment the utter shame of our servile groveling judges accepting such an argument].  The British Government are now pointing out to the Americans that this argument could be fatally weakened if major detail of the full horror and scope of torture and extraordinary rendition is revealed by the Senate Intelligence Committee.  The argument runs that this could in turn lead to further revelations in the courts and block the major defence against prosecutions of Blair, Straw and Dearlove, among others, potentially unleashing a transatlantic wave of judicial activism.

The unabashed collusion of two torturing security states in concealing the truth of their despicable acts – including complicity in the torture of women and minors – and blocking criminal prosecution of the guilty is a sign of how low public ethics have sunk.  Fortunately there are still a few people in the British Foreign Office disgusted enough to leak it.

 

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  1. technicolour

    20 Apr, 2014 - 4:47 pm

    “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    I’m so ashamed of what this blog has become. I’m done.

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 7:09 pm

    Technicolour

    ““A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    I’m so ashamed of what this blog has become. I’m done.”
    ______________________

    And you’ll have noticed that that post – and many others like it – did NOT come from Habbabkuk.

    Habbabkuk has persistently OPPOSED that sort of stuff since coming onto this blog.

    Would you like to seize this opportunity to apologize for having tried to slam me in the past and for having expressed misguided criticism of my posts?

    It’s not too late!

    ********************

    Xristos anesti ek nekron!

  3. @Andy

    America has the political clout to impose sanctions, they can make a lot of other countries impose sanctions as well, but they won’t, Israel is their ally.

    Yes Britain could impose sanctions on their own, if they wanted to damage the economy, risk America retaliating and have the rest of the world laughing at them. Wouldn’t bother Israel much if they did.

  4. @Spud

    ‘@Fred, “any country can impose sanctions on any other country”’

    I didn’t say that, Andy said that, attribute it to him.

  5. “What “loads of evidence” and which “reputable websites” Fred?”

    I’ve posted two links and pointed out the contents of the Wikileaks cables so far.

    You’ve come up with Jack Shit.

  6. For those folks who would like to join in for a special online memorial for Michael C. Ruppert hosted by his good friend, Carolyn Baker, on Thursday, May 8th at 9PM EDT.

    IN MEMORIAM MICHAEL C. RUPPERT, February 3, 1951–April 13, 2014

    http://www.synchcast.net/#!gatheringformichael/c1x3m

    My own personal thanks to Michael for his enlightenment on ‘Guns and Butter’, which was aired on KPFA, one month after the tragic events of 9/11. Michael Ruppert was first to reveal the forbidden truth: speculative trade on airline stocks based on foreknowledge of the World Trade Center attacks.

  7. Ignoring the ire of Technicolour who found it necessary to reprint what I said which happens to be completely true, as did Habbabkuk, and Resident Dissident earlier on. Perhaps they see nothing strange or untoward in the facts.

    I came across this website for the Slynn Foundation today. It aims to assist young lawyers by offering training and support and lists the countries where it works. The list includes Ukraine and Iraq.
    http://www.slynn-foundation.org/?page=Home

    Funding-
    From the start the Government took a keen interest in the Foundation’s work with financial help being awarded by the British Association for Central and Eastern Europe (BACEE) and by the British Council. More recently, the Foundation has Government support through the the FCO’s Reuniting Europe Programme. Some of its programmes have recently been funded from EU sources (including the EU Ukrainian Business Council). The Foundation has also received a large measure of support from the legal profession, particularly from judges and practitioners who have volunteered their services in helping with seminars and other courses abroad. The interest of the senior judiciary in the Foundation’s work is demonstrated by the list of Patrons.

    In the past the Foundation has received funding for specific programmes from government bodies such as:
    •The Lord Chancellor’s Department
    •The Foreign and Commonwealth Office
    •The British Council
    •The British Association for Central and Eastern Europe
    •Curt Engelhorn European Foundation for the Advancement of Medicine.

    http://www.slynn-foundation.org/?page=Funding

    The name at the top of patrons is Cherie Booth. Falconer is also there. There is no irony in the fact that Ms Booth’s husband and his government including Falconer waged a war on Iraq which destroyed its institutions, including its legal system, killed many of its people and laid waste to the country. Now these legal worthies concern themselves with the replacement of the same lawyers who left the country or who were killed.

    ‘The physical elimination of academics, writers, teachers, intellectuals, scientists and professionals, especially physicians, engineers, lawyers, jurists and journalists was decisive in imposing ethno-religious rule under a colonial occupation. To establish long-term dominance and sustain ethno-religious client rulers, the entire pre-existing cultural edifice, which had sustained an independent secular nationalist state, was physically destroyed by the US and its Iraqi puppets.’
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us-war-against-iraq-the-destruction-of-a-civilization/14870

  8. A weekend of what must be indiscriminate slaughter in Yemen by American drones.

    Dozens Of ‘Al Qaeda Militants’ Killed In Yemen
    Those targeted were reportedly among the “leading and dangerous” elements of al Qaeda and were of different nationalities.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1246105/dozens-of-al-qaeda-militants-killed-in-yemen

    CIA using Saudi base for drone assassinations in Yemen
    Disclosure comes as architect of programme, John Brennan, prepares for Senate confirmation hearing to become CIA director
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/06/cia-using-saudi-base-drone-yemen

    Brennan is busy. He has been to Kiev over the weekend.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/

    So much for Obama’s empty wishes for the holiday.

  9. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 12:20 am

    Mary

    “Ignoring the ire of Technicolour who found it necessary to reprint what I said which happens to be completely true, as did Habbabkuk, and Resident Dissident earlier on. Perhaps they see nothing strange or untoward in the facts.”
    ______________________

    1/. Unhealthy to ignore what we said about your post, Mary. Healthier (for you in particular) would be for you to reflect on WHY you choose to bring those facts to the attention of readers. What point were you trying to make and what was the relevance of your post to anything?

    2/. Personally, I see nothing strange or untoward (untoward??) in the fact that Kate Middleton’s mother may be, or is, manipulative and has Jewish roots. Many people are manipulative (including yourself, to judge by your posts) and many people have some Jewish roots. Why do you see those facts as strange and untoward?

    Have a little think about why you piss off people like Technicolour and Dreoilin.

  10. Thanks Mary; the Slynn Foundation fits nicely within the hierarchy of the British establishment being the judicial signalling post for the ears and eyes of the Privy Council operating within the mandate of Protectorate vs. Turks and Caicos islands, and also as a veiled ‘force majeure’ within the European Council; hence the pressure on the Council of EU for example, to relieve the CIA controlled MEK organisation of it’s terrorist label.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/world/middleeast/iranian-opposition-group-mek-wins-removal-from-us-terrorist-list.html?_r=0

    As Craig quite accurately writes, ‘the utter shame of our servile groveling judges’ accepting ambiguous even dubious arguments of breaching National Security to negate revealing the scope and horror of torture, can be traced back to Privy Council jurisdiction and the Judicial Committee.

    On good advice I have no doubt that Sir Robin Auld of the Slynn Foundation counsel fingered the Ukraine judiciary in 2012/13 as constitutional prep for the 2014 putsch, subsequent IMF default clauses and legal movement into the EU.

  11. @Res Diss. I’m always delighted to see people reading the supreme pact of the world order. There’s a huge amount of painstakingly-inculcated ignorance about it in the NATO satellites.

    However, close but no cigar re Article 41. Read the whole thing. Article 37 states that if pacific resolution of disputes should fail, the parties shall refer the problem to the UNSC. What if the UNSC chooses to do nothing? The resources of the state remain at the disposal of the UNSC. You stand by. Your sovereign rights are limited to self-defense, subject of course to the necessity and proportionality tests applied by the ICJ in Case Concerning Oil Platforms, Nicaragua v. United States of America, and other binding rulings.

    You sit on your thumb.

    But but but, you’re really, really, rarin’ to go? Then you have one (1) option. A 377 or ‘Uniting for Peace’ resolution in the UNGA. In practice, interventionist states are leery of 377 because the UNGA is kind of, well… democratic. You never know how it will turn out.

    You don’t have to like it, but there it is. Your head of state, war’s above his pay grade.

  12. BrianFujisan

    21 Apr, 2014 - 4:57 am

    Kseniya Simonova — winner of “Ukraine got Talent”… …Isle of Seil …..Ellenabeich…rules… SeaFari.. ( Adventures ) oot there…Coryvreckran…Yah

    Back from mega Adventures.

    … Bed n breakfast second to none… warm people….Run by expert sea / dive people…. And the wee dog Angus
    long hours driving..2 hours of loch side roads…a Police car almost killed us.. but for my ..GIVING LOTS OF ROOM… to the car in front..

  13. BrianFujisan

    21 Apr, 2014 - 5:12 am

  14. Resident Dissident

    21 Apr, 2014 - 8:13 am

    “The resources of the state remain at the disposal of the UNSC. You stand by.”

    Where does it say that?

  15. ““Bluntly, everything is shit.”

    Cheer up, pal. Or do us a favour and fuck off to your nearest socialist utopia.

    Cheers!”

    @ Anon

    What a genuinely weird retort. Sometimes the internet can be a baffling place. But, no, I’ll stay where I am, and post sometimes, if it’s ok. Ta.

    Anyway, as any fule know, there are no socialist utopia’s. If there were, the yanks would destroy them soon enough. Domino theory. Or something. Or perhaps Oligarchical Collectivism, as some writer once wrote, rather presciently.

  16. “Everything is shit”

    Depends on your perspective, of course. Not for those in power, and wielding that power, clearly. And especially if they think they have a deity with them…

    But it is shit for many because world war 2 was supposed to put an end to all that, and they see good people around them who have apparently lost the ability to think for themselves and make their voices heard. It is absolute shit for those who are the butt of the Daily Mail’s little campaigns, like the one suggesting that principles behind food banks are corrupt.

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    20 Apr, 2014 – 3:05 pm

    “…I can’t of course prove that the UK HAS made such representations, but equally, you can’t prove it HASN’T, Doug.”

    Russell’s teapot!

  18. As far as I can tell, food banks serve the following purposes:

    – Good PR for supermarkets.
    – Good opportunity for wasters to spend their benefits on less important things.
    – Super huge opportunity for leftists to start handwringing about evil Tories/capitalists/cuts/bankers/scum etc.

    Note, nobody is actually facing starvation. The private purse stumps up for the food and the public purse covers the wide screen TV, Sky subscription, booze, fags, iPhone etc.

    The fact is that if you offered 5 million free food parcels, then 5 million would be taken, allowing leftist to claim that millions are dependent on food banks.

  19. Brendan

    “Everything is shit”

    Forgive me, but I do get a little sick and tired of seeing yet another middle class leftist twit putting down his country, which offers him every opportunity and which much of the world would happily give their back teeth to live in.

    “Anyway, as any fule know, there are no socialist utopia’s.”

    As any fule kno, there can be no socialist utopia. It’s going to be a long and hard journey for you, Brendan, but eventually you’ll get there.

  20. If only that were true, Anon. People are starving, both physically and emotionally. People are killing themselves because life is so bad for them. I’m sure the figures for suicides on the rail network would really shock you. So much for the big society.

    But you probably know all this anyway and are just being facetious…

  21. “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    Mary, here’s the problem as I see it.

    Why not write: “A manipulative mother with size 6 feet”?

    Of course this would be ridiculous. What does shoe size have to do with anything else you are saying? Nothing. What does shoe size have to do with a person’s propensity to manipulate? Nothing. So why mention it? You wouldn’t. You didn’t.

    You did mention her jewishness as part of a wider criticism thus implying this in itself is a problem for you. You also directly associate jewishness and manipulation thus repeating an age old ugly stereotype.

    You behave no differently from a person who points out skin colour only when a black kid has half hinched a sweet from the corner shop.

    Quoting Malcolm X and Orwell in some half baked attempt at defending your racism is hilarious, pretentious delusion.

  22. Unless that is a different ‘Anon’, he/she has changed e-mail addresses/IPs.

    ___

    I read some of the scribbler Aaronovitch’s piece in the Times today. He admits to getting family and friends to put in good reviews on Amazon for his rubbish book Voodoo Histories to counter the one star reviews put on by the ‘conspiracy theorists’ as he calls anyone who disbelieves the output of the corporate media. He did of course promote BLiar and the war on Iraq.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/article4068308.ece

    In the same edition of the Murdoch rag, Melanie Phillips writes –

    Snowden’s only prize should be for treachery
    The fear of government blinds those on the left and right to the role that surveillance plays in thwarting our enemies
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/article4068302.ece

  23. Res diss, Good question! Read Chapter VI, VII and VIII again. Understandably, living in the NATO bloc, you feel there must be SOMEthing your state can do to punish its enemies. It’s a common mistake, easy to make in a culture of hermetic indoctrination.

    I suspect you are confusing sanctions with something else – reprisals, perhaps, or intervention, or countermeasures. Sanctions are multilateral, and under Charter Article 53, always subject to UNSC direction and supervision. Reprisals are prohibited by humanitarian law. Coercive intervention not under UNSC authority is illegal under the non-intervention principle, A/RES/36/103, which is affirmed by the ICJ as a “sanctified absolute rule of law.” Countermeasures are actions pursuant to Articles 22 and 49 through 53 of the draft articles on state responsibility for internationally wrongful acts. Countermeasures are strictly circumscribed to subordinate them to the UN Charter and peremptory norms of law, to fundamental human rights, and to applicable dispute settlement procedures.

    It’s easy once you get the hang of it!

  24. “People are starving, both physically and emotionally.”

    Yes, Peacewisher, it’s a positively Dickensian scene out there.

    “People are killing themselves because life is so bad for them. I’m sure the figures for suicides on the rail network would really shock you. So much for the big society.”

    People kill themselves for a variety of reasons. I’m not sure what your point is here considering that the UK suicide rate is about the same as it was before the evil, nasty, vicious Tory ‘cuts’.

  25. Did you spot Charles Crawford CMG in the list on Slynn Mark? Our ex ambassador to Poland, etc.

    ‘Returning to London in 1991 he worked in the FCO Department dealing with the Soviet Union as communist rule collapsed. He then spent three years in Moscow as Political Counsellor and then served three times as HM Ambassador: in Sarajevo (1996-1998); in Belgrade (2001-2003) and most recently in Poland (2003-2007).’

    The Slynn Foundation is a limited company and Crawford is one of the directors.
    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/03570705/THE-SLYNN-FOUNDATION/directors-shareholders

    ‘Lord Slynn Foundation: Belgrade
    Civilisation and its Enemies, Balkanic Eruptions

    9th March 2011
    Off I dash in the general direction of Belgrade, my first visit back there in quite a few years.

    I have not mentioned here a new role of mine, namely a member of the Board of trustees of The Lord Slynn of Hadley European Law Foundation.

    This is a group of utterly distinguished lawyers who join forces to help export best legal practice to countries who might need some support for law reforms. The Foundation was set up in 1998 on the initiative of British/Polish lawyer His Hon George Dobry CBE QC, and has been busy in many European countries since then in different ways. Latterly a lot is being done in Ukraine and Albania.’
    /..
    http://charlescrawford.biz/blog/lord-slynn-foundation-belgrade

  26. A health to Her Majesty! All the eights. Raise the flag. No not that blue one. The Royal Standard.

    On the same day, the Queen’s Awards to Industry are announced.

    Weapons company among Queen’s award winners
    ‘A weapons company that has developed an air-launched missile suitable for firing in urban environments, a food group which has encouraged the consumption of beetroot and a 3D animation games designer are among the diverse range of businesses to receive a Queen’s Award for Enterprise on Monday.

    Hertfordshire-based MDMA obtained an innovation award for converting the Brimstone anti-armour missile into a dual purpose weapon to be used by crews flying RAF Tornado jets.

    The extension gives the aircraft the capability to engage a “range of targets including snipers, mortar teams, improvised explosive devices and fast-moving manoeuvring vehicles. Pinpoint accuracy and low collateral damage make the weapons suitable for urban deployment,” said the citation.’
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/21/queens-award-for-enterprise-winners

    How bloody lovely. P Andrew should sell a lot of them.

    Veolia are in the list too. Infamous for participating in the Israeli light railway system and their waste and water services.

    Why Target Veolia?
    Below are Veolia’s crimes in the OPT that make up the basis of many campaigns targeting this company. However, Veolia is also infamous for water privatization, mismanagement, and corruption, sparking campaigns around the world on these issues as well. Find out more on our Veolia’s Other Offenses page.
    http://globalexchange.org/economicactivism/veolia/why

    http://www.veoliawater.com/about/locations/israel.htm

  27. Anon 21 Apr, 2014 – 12:56 pm

    “Forgive me, but I do get a little sick and tired of seeing yet another middle class leftist twit putting down his country, which offers him every opportunity and which much of the world would happily give their back teeth to live in.”

    No, I do not forgive your assumption that as long as the standard of living is better, we should all rather be an oppressor than one of the oppressed.

  28. @Mary. Aaonovich did more than most to promote Blair’s wars and I’m sure he’d get his own slice. I was very disappointed to see Will Self getting pally with him, but I guess that once you become a media luvvy its “us” v “them” (the proles). One thing about Tony Benn, which became obvious in the days after he died, was that he would never be a luvvy.

  29. Resident Dissident

    21 Apr, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Article 53 is not about sovereign states but regional organisations. Sanctions can be unilateral or multilateral

    A/RES/36/103, which is affirmed by the ICJ as a “sanctified absolute rule of law.”

    Where – UN General Assembly resolutions are not usually considered to be legally binding?

    Who are you quoting?

    I was tempted to ignore the obvious sneering sarcasm of your first para – but it pretty obvious given your promotion of A/RES/36/103 that you support those regimes who place the sovereignty principle of the Charter over and above that of Article 3 namely “To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion;” – which I should of course remind you was one of the reasons why the United Nations was established in the first place. Whether you like it or not individual human rights are meant to take precedence over state sovereignty – the fact that in many cases they don’t is a sign that the UN is not working as it should and why it is in serious need of reform – something that those of us who really place human rights above national allegiances have recognised for a long time.

    But given you are such a fan of 36/103 I’m sure you will agree that Russia’s actions in Ukraine represent a clear and unequivocal breach of international law e.g

    (c) The duty of a State to refrain from armed
    intervention, subversion, military occupation or any other form
    of intervention and interference, overt or covert, directed at
    another State or group of States, or any act of military,
    political or economic interference in the internal affairs of
    another State, including acts of reprisal involving the use of
    force;

  30. More good questions! Remember, there are no stupid questions!

    The draft articles on state responsibility for internationally wrongful acts standardize the terminology. That’s where you learn that sanctions may not in fact be unilateral. The Charter itself says ‘measures,’ as you know.

    That quote about A/RES/36/103 comes from Nicaragua v. United States of America. With those words the ICJ explicitly made the resolution part of customary international law.

    I’m delighted that we agree that human rights take precedence over state sovereignty. They certainly do. In fact, state sovereignty is conditioned on compliance with human rights! And the UN certainly could do with some reform. I was ever so sad when the US torpedoed the Small Five’s clever UNSC reforms.

    You’ve got the Ukraine business all wrong, sad to say. Nothing in international law forbids a declaration of independence. And where is all this Russian coercion and force you’re exercised about? The Russians snatched Crimea back quite pacifically. That was quite a windfall these American dipshits have dropped into Russian hands! The Crimea but no Exclusion Zone – Spacibo!

  31. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 5:54 pm

    Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    20 Apr, 2014 – 3:05 pm

    “…I can’t of course prove that the UK HAS made such representations, but equally, you can’t prove it HASN’T, Doug.”

    Russell’s teapot!”
    _________________

    Well, it was you who suggested that the UK could/should make/have made such representations and so I think my reply was fair enough.

    Not too complicated for you, surely?

  32. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 6:20 pm

    Well worth repeating (from Phil, earlier today)

    ““A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    Mary, here’s the problem as I see it.

    Why not write: “A manipulative mother with size 6 feet”?

    Of course this would be ridiculous. What does shoe size have to do with anything else you are saying? Nothing. What does shoe size have to do with a person’s propensity to manipulate? Nothing. So why mention it? You wouldn’t. You didn’t.

    You did mention her jewishness as part of a wider criticism thus implying this in itself is a problem for you. You also directly associate jewishness and manipulation thus repeating an age old ugly stereotype.

    You behave no differently from a person who points out skin colour only when a black kid has half hinched a sweet from the corner shop.

    Quoting Malcolm X and Orwell in some half baked attempt at defending your racism is hilarious, pretentious delusion.”
    _______________

    And as a footnote : it is heartening to see that commenters other than those regularly called ‘trolls” have either woken up to Mary and her peculiar views or then, if they were already aware of them, are now speaking up.

    I’ve been pointing out this ugly aspect of Mary for as long as I’ve commented on this blog. What is interesting is how few people have also spoken up against it. Do they think it’s unimportant, or do they silently share Mary’s prejucide?

  33. Resident Dissident

    21 Apr, 2014 - 7:03 pm

    “That quote about A/RES/36/103 comes from Nicaragua v. United States of America.”

    It is from the separate opinion of a single judge – rather than the judgement of the court as a whole and even then it doesn’t refer back to 36/103

    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=367&p1=3&p2=3&case=70&p3=5

    Please don’t lead us all on such wild goose chases in the future.

    I do not share your opinion about the balaclava clad Russian forces in the Crimea – oh and neither does Putin anymore

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-forces-helped-crimea-separatists-n82756

  34. Phil; “You behave no differently from a person who points out skin colour only when a black kid has half hinched a sweet from the corner shop”

    Absurd; pointing out that fellow members of a certain group may be inclined to act, or try to exert influence in a way that is beneficial to something to that group values, is not “racism”; it is no different to the Government asking prospective State employees, details of birth , ethnicity & religion of all grandparents, as I was required to provide when I applied years ago, for a low grade office job in a local DHSS; it is no different to the decades old Government policy, only broken very recently, of not appointing Jews as Ambassadors to Israel, etc. The obvious reason of course, being the risk of a possible conflict of interest.

    Mary has never expressed any racism towards anybody, especially towards Jews; she has never said that Jews are bad, or evil, or cannot be trusted etc; all those that have jumped on their ill thought out high moral ground to accuse Mary of engaging in racism, simply because of her habit of mentioning relevant factors that may explain or indicate a person’s possible leaning, are indulging in troll like smears, only difference being that the trolls know that their smears are indeed false.

  35. Oh dear. You’re new to this, aren’t you? The World Court doesn’t work like that corrupt pigsty of a supreme court at all. Well, stick with it, soon this will all be second nature! Meantime you can use (A/56/10) as a handy crib sheet. It synthesizes all the court bumf.

    I must say, you seem quite angry, and a bit fixated on Russia. Crimea’s actions are altogether legal, and they seem quite pleased with their double salaries and pensions. Do you know Kiev at all? It’s quite dismal. I’d jump at the chance to split, too.

  36. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 8:45 pm

    Macky

    “Mary has never expressed any racism towards anybody, especially towards Jews; ”
    ______________

    I, and apparently a growing number of others, disagree with you.

    Be that as it may, Macky, it’s your take that interests me. As you’re speaking up for Mary, perhaps you’d like to tell us why you think it was justified to refer to Kate Middleton’s mother’s Jewish ancestry and the point she was trying to make by so referring.

    Off you go!

  37. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    Resident Dissident

    ““That quote about A/RES/36/103 comes from Nicaragua v. United States of America.”

    It is from the separate opinion of a single judge – rather than the judgement of the court as a whole and even then it doesn’t refer back to 36/103

    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=367&p1=3&p2=3&case=70&p3=5
    ____________________

    It’s an old Eminences’ trick, Resident Dissident. They quote or extract selectively from links which they are pretty sure few people will bother to look up and read in full.

    Misleading and dishonest, but hey, what’s that to an Eminence?

  38. I long had you pegged as a belligerent dullard Macky but, possibly because I normally scroll right past, I didn’t catch you as a jew hater. Yes I know Israel is horrid. I just don’t judge all jews of a similar nature because of it. Some of the most active anti-Israeli activists I know are jewish. They do things in the real world. I doubt you do anything except rant your endless shit on the internet. You are a joke you cowardly hypocrite.

    Cue a stream of your predictable long comments of self righteous bollocks. Your word count and anger betray your insecurity. Big yawn. I shall be scrolling past.

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !,

    Unlikely as it sounds right now I engage with Mary and Macky because I hold value in their opinion.

    Make no mistake though. I consider you a worthless piece of self-important shit only good to ignore.

  40. Thank you for that reply Phil; totally devoid of any substance, containing nothing but irrationalities, smears, lies, etc; although it reveals nothing about me, it reveals rather a lot about you, & all of your own free volition.

    Only a fool or a knave would use the following playful quip to smear somebody as a racist; only a real racist would be fixated so much by only the Jewish reference, but not the German reference;

    “Doug asked me what Kate has.

    A delightful baby.
    A husband and in-laws with German ancestry.
    A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.
    A pushy sister and a drippy brother.
    An uncle in-law who sells arms.
    Two luxurious homes, at least.
    A large wardrobe.
    Lots of wedding invitations from Hooray Henrys and Henriettas.
    Nice hair.

    I think the correct answer is a brand, just like her husband and the Beckhams”

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/04/uk-moves-to-block-us-senate-report-to-protect-blair-straw-and-dearlove/comment-page-2/#comment-453267

  41. Mister Spued, my compliments! You seem to have a knack for getting ordinary people engaged in analytical questions of law and norms. No reason it should be exclusive to the toffs of Eton or Sherborne!

    One modest suggestion, if I may. Ordinary chaps steeped in middlebrow statist polemic and slogans can easily get wrapped around the axle. Here I see they’re stuck on the President’s concurring opinion on a unanimous judgment as somehow unrepresentative of the gist. Perhaps you hoped to spare them all the blah-blah-blah of

    “Expressions of an opinio juris of States regarding the existence of this principle are numerous. The Court notes that this principle, stated in its own jurisprudence, has been reflected in numerous declarations and resolutions adopted by international organizations and conferences in which the United States and Nicaragua have participated.”

    Zzzzz, to be sure. It’s a lot to swallow, if you’ve never gone to independent schools!

    The problem is, you need to boil it down for them. Quotes will just confuse them. They’ll see other quotes and they won’t know how they fit and then we’re back to Salford levels of discourse.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 11:12 pm

    Phil

    “I long had you pegged as a belligerent dullard Macky but, possibly because I normally scroll right past, I didn’t catch you as a jew hater.”

    followed by

    “I engage with Mary and Macky because I hold value in their opinion.”
    _____________________

    Slight contradiction there, regarding Macky?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I consider you {ie Habbabkuk} a worthless piece of self-important shit only good to ignore.”

    You’re entitled to your opinion, Phil, and I understand that saying anything positive about me would get you into trouble with the Eminences.

    But I am pleased that you’ve finally understood where Mary’s coming from regarding Jews! :)

  43. Tony Blunt is Siegheil Saadi and I claim my 50 roopay.

    [site admin: wrong]

  44. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 11:24 pm

    Macky

    “Only a fool or a knave would use the following PLAYFUL QUIP to smear somebody as a racist;”
    ________________

    Good to see the old “I/he/she was ONLY JOKING…!” in circulation again.

    Are you really that stupid?

  45. “Slight contradiction there, regarding Macky?”

    Yup! But don’t forget that Phil regards himself as above everyone else. Previously he has announced that this blog and its contributors are beneath him, but sometimes he just can’t help himself.

  46. Why thank you Sir. Most people proceed through distinct stages as they free themselves from state indoctrination. You see it when someone undertakes world-standard education such as an IB or starts work in a multilateral milieu. It’s gratifying to see sparks of it here. Individuals go through a prolonged struggle to fit the official state enmities into the perspective of the wider world.

    Then at some point they see that peace is the law. They see the point of it: protecting humans from the overreaching power of states. For the first time they conceive of the state’s purposes as different than their own. They lose the football-spectator mentality and start to think about what they’ve been induced to root for.

    Give Resident P. Dissident time.

  47. BrianFujisan

    22 Apr, 2014 - 1:18 am

    Israel’s Mordechai Vanunu is as much a hero as US whistleblower Edward Snowden

    Ten years ago today, a man emerged from prison to be greeted by a crowd of his supporters embracing him with carnations and a crowd of his enemies drawing their fingers across their throats. He had served 18 years in prison, 11 of them in solitary confinement.

    The man was Mordechai Vanunu, the whistleblower who, in 1986, came to Britain to tell the Sunday Times the story of the then secret nuclear weapons facility at Dimona in Israel. Out alone in London and disillusioned with the length of time the story seemed to be taking to reach publication, he was lured by a woman from Mossad to Italy. There, he was kidnapped, drugged and smuggled out of the country to Israel, where he was convicted of espionage.

    On his release from prison, he was led to believe that he would soon be free to leave the country where he is vilified and regarded as a traitor. When I interviewed him in Jerusalem six months later, back in 2004, he was still hopeful that, having served his time, he would be able to start a new life abroad. It has turned out to be an empty hope. Last December, he failed in the high court of justice in his latest bid to be allowed to leave. Does Edward Snowden, as he adjusts to life in Moscow, wonder whether he will still be haunted and hunted by the US government for decades to come?

    http://stopwar.org.uk/videos/israel-s-mordechai-vanunu-is-as-much-a-hero-as-us-whistleblower-edward-snowden#.U1W0PlVdWqj

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Anon

    “Yup! But don’t forget that Phil regards himself as above everyone else.”
    _______________

    Oh, OK. I hadn’t realised that or had forgotten it. Perhaps I haven’t been reading him with sufficient attention. Mea culpa!

  49. ” It is absolute shit for those who are the butt of the Daily Mail’s little campaigns, like the one suggesting that principles behind food banks are corrupt.”

    Not the Daily Mail this time, the Mail on Sunday. They are two entirely different entities.

  50. “Note, nobody is actually facing starvation. The private purse stumps up for the food and the public purse covers the wide screen TV, Sky subscription, booze, fags, iPhone etc.”

    You are wrong there, there are genuine needy in Britain, the safety net has been removed. The papers are full of stories about people with 12 kids getting a fortune off the state but nothing about the single person who lives alone. They survive on subsistence money, if they get an unexpected expense they have nothing. Many unemployed have severe mental health problems which the government refuses to acknowledge.

    Plus there is the incompetence of the DHSS staff, it can take months to process a claim. Once took me a fortnight to get somebody at the Inland Revenue to answer the phone, several times a day listening to recorded messages at premium call rates only to be told there was nobody available.

    Yes there are many who buck the system, they annoy me more than most because I compete with them for work but that doesn’t mean there aren’t genuine needy as well.

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 12:07 pm

    Fred (09h50)

    Agree with that. There is no doubt that for some, buying sufficient food means foregoing parrt of another essential.

    Re the references to smartphones, flat screens and so on : part of the problem is surely that the definition of poverty (and especially the definition of relative poverty) in a “rich” society is difficult and in any event likely to be controversial.

  52. Anon, 12:31 pm:

    “…wide screen TV, Sky subscription, booze, fags, iPhone etc.”

    These are the comforts of the lonely, the “luxuries” of the alienated.

    Why object at all? Nearly all money spent on these goes straight back into the corporate system, and hardly any into either the long-term well-being and independence of the claimant (such as their education or buying or improving their home) or independent commercial concerns in their locality.

  53. On the hypocrisy of the Tories and the supposed compassionate views of Heir to Blair.

    David Cameron’s constituency office calls police on food bank campaigners Bishop of Oxford and Reverend Keith Hebden
    Door was shut in church leaders’ faces as David Cameron wrote for The Church Times on his Anglican faith

    Felicity Morse
    Tuesday 22 April 2014

    David Cameron’s constituency office has come under fire for calling the police on the Bishop of Oxford and Reverend Hebden as they attempted to present him with an open letter on food poverty.

    Their letter, part of the End Hunger Fast campaign, was signed by 42 Anglican bishops and more than 600 clerics and called on the three party leaders to work with the parliamentary inquiry into food poverty to implement its recommendations.

    However, despite David Cameron’s Witney office expecting their visit, they were barred from presenting the letter and instead greeted by three police officers. Around 40 people had walked to his office following a service, and while the congregation stood on the opposite side of the road, the Rt Revd John Pritchard and Rev Hebden went to deliver the letter on their own. The police “weren’t there very long” when they realised the situation, Reverend Keith Hebden told The Independent, saying that they could see Cameron’s office staff looking out the window as they were forced to abandon their visit.

    He added: “It is deeply ironic, to say the least, that on the same day David Cameron was writing in the Church Times talking about what a good Anglican he is, he was wasn’t able to receive his own bishop in his constituency office. I think this speaks volumes.

    “They were expecting us, we had phoned ahead. Most of my surprise was reserved for them not even opening the door. The letter was positive and addressed to all three party leaders, so it wasn’t political.”

    /..
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-constituency-office-calls-police-on-food-bank-campaigners-bishop-of-oxford-and-reverend-keith-hebden-9274303.html

  54. On the failure to care for fellow citizens with mental illness. NHS beds are closed and the private sector steps in.

    Lancashire Telegraph
    £5.7m spent on private treatment in Lancashire.

    Hundreds of mental health patients are being referred to private hospitals due to a shortage of NHS beds in Lancashire. The shock figures, which show Lancashire Care NHS Foundation Trust shelled out more than £5m to private hospitals in the last two years, came after the trust slashed its provision of inpatient beds by about a third. The data was obtained by the Lancashire Telegraph through Freedom of Information laws and raised serious concerns from health campaigners. There were 251 patients sent to private facilities in 2013/ 14, at a cost of £3.6m, which was up from 136 referrals the previous year (£2.1m), which represented an average spend of £15,000 per patient. All these referrals were due to a lack of available NHS beds. Russ McLean, chairman of the Pennine Lancashire Patient Voices Group, said: “These figures are staggering and I think there’s something sadly wrong here. We want this cash spent on NHS beds in the community and not going into the coffers of private companies.” The number of beds at facilities run by Lancashire Care, such as those at the Royal Blackburn and Burnley General hospitals, has dropped from 492 in 2011 to 318 last year, although there has also been a reduction in inpatient admissions over the same period, from 4,603 to 3,560. As reported last week, the trust is planning to further reduce its inpatient units, from eight to four, which could bring more bed closures. Julia Berry, Chorley Council’s lead member for health, said: “This is a nonsensical situation… Wards have been intentionally closed locally and yet they’re saying they don’t have the capacity. It’s outrageous that so much money has been spent on private beds.” Most of the spending on private hospitals went to The Priory Hospital in Preston (£2.6m last year), with about £700,000 paid to Cygnet Health Care Ltd.
    http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11161498.__5_7m_spent_on_private_treatment_in_Lancashire/

    In Burton, a whole mental health unit was closed in 2012 and now a promise for support for relatives to travel to other locations is being reneged upon.
    http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Call-for-answers-after-mental-health-travel-support-axed-20140422080000.htm

  55. Hunger is the real scandal

    April 21st 2014

    The Mail on Sunday plumbs new depths of sewer journalism in its attempts to smear food banks

    You’d think the Mail on Sunday would struggle to plumb new depths of gutter journalism, but yesterday’s attempt to “expose” Britain’s food banks as a soft touch for “fraudsters” to exploit was way down in the sewer.

    /..
    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-d7f7-Star-Comment-Hunger-is-the-real-scandal

  56. Resident Dissident

    22 Apr, 2014 - 9:00 pm

    . You see it when someone undertakes world-standard education such as an IB or starts work in a multilateral milieu.

    You are revealing more about your background than you think – given your defence of all things Putin my guess is you have New Russian and English Public School connections.

    For myself, lets just say my University wasn’t at all shoddy and I have had impeccable multinational connections for many many years – so just leave the condescending stuff out.

    Good to see that you are keen on protecting humans from the overreaching power of states, so needless to say you will join me in condemning the massive increases in FSB numbers and expenditure since Putin came to power. Will you not?

  57. Habbabkuk; “Good to see the old “I/he/she was ONLY JOKING…!” in circulation again. Are you really that stupid?”

    Rather, it’s obvious whose agenda driven perception failures, really does make them look very stupid.

  58. “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    I don’t accuse people of ‘dog-whistling’. But when the whistle is a siren, you gotta call it like it is.

    Mary’s shameless excuse is to say that her statement was “true”. Which is a little bit like pointing out the African ancestry of criminals when it is true that we’re all ancestors of our ancient African forebears.

    Then Macky’s comical defence of the indefensible :

    1. “Absurd; pointing out that fellow members of a certain group may be inclined to act, or try to exert influence in a way that is beneficial to something to that group values, is not “racism ;..”

    You mean like, when someone points out that Muslims may be inclined to agitate, or try to exert influence in a way that advances an Islamist agenda? Like pushing for the introduction and expansion of Sharia in the UK?

    I might agree with you there except for the uncertainty you express with your limp use of the word “may”.

    2. “Mary has never expressed any racism towards anybody, especially towards Jews; ..”

    Hah! Haaaaaaa HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Excellent..

    3.”.. she has never said that Jews are bad, or evil, or cannot be trusted etc; ..”

    You’re quite right, as far as I can recall. So how would you insinuate that Jews ARE bad/evil/untrustworthy without explicitly saying so? Oh, I know – “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    4.” .. all those that have jumped on their ill thought out high moral ground to accuse Mary of engaging in racism, simply because of her habit of mentioning relevant factors that may explain or indicate a person’s possible leaning, are indulging in troll like smears, only difference being that the trolls know that their smears are indeed false.”

    Note – “..may explain..”, “..possible leaning,..”

    We don’t all share your low standards of justification for slandering whole ethnic groups, Macky. Perhaps you and Mary can show some self restraint and not speculate on the evil of people until there is some compelling, supportive evidence. Otherwise it just comes off as a plain old “racist” canard.

    Oh, and saying “..troll like smears..” is itself a “troll-like smear”!

  59. “I long had you pegged as a belligerent dullard Macky but, possibly because I normally scroll right past, I didn’t catch you as a jew hater.”

    But then ..

    “Unlikely as it sounds right now I engage with Mary and Macky because .I hold value in their opinion[s].”

    Mary doesn’t have an opinion and she doesn’t engage. Never has.

    And since Macky is a belligerent dullard and a jew hater, I cannot see how anyone would therefore value his moronic opinions.

  60. Although it provides for an interesting thought experiment, explored once in Futurama, we will need to ancestors .. insert [descendants]

  61. Jemand; “I don’t accuse people of ‘dog-whistling’. But when the whistle is a siren, you gotta call it like it is”

    You mean that Mary’s whimsical direct response to Doug’s playful word-play of his “legs apart” comment, is not allowed to be considered as a light-hearted reply, but deadly serious instead? Such humour & perception failure may explain the rather bleak nature of most of your Posts, and may also suggest that perhaps you are not a barrel of fun to be around !

    “I might agree with you there except for the uncertainty you express with your limp use of the word “may”.”

    So you would have agreed with my “comical defence of the indefensible” if I had expressed it more strongly ?! You certainly can add irrationality & muddled thinking to your CV highlights !

    “We don’t all share your low standards of justification for slandering whole ethnic groups”

    The rich irony of being slandered by fabricated accusations of “slandering”, & on of all things, racism, by somebody who specializes in demonising 23% of the World’s population that are Muslims ! What’s German for “Chutzpah” ? ! :D

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